Bernie Sanders Joins Verizon Picket Line in NYC
Source: ABC News
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is offering support and praise to Verizon workers who walked off their jobs up and down the East Coast.
Sanders joined a picket line in Brooklyn on Wednesday and said the workers were displaying courage by standing up to the telecommunications giant. He told the strikers "I know your families are going to pay a price." And he promised them, "We're going to win this thing!"
Snip
About 39,000 members of the Communications Workers of America and theInternational Brotherhood of Electrical Workers went on strike Wednesday morning in nine eastern states and Washington, D.C.
The workers say they have been without a contract since August and negotiations have stalled.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-verizon-disappointed-union-calls-strike-38356539
Solidarity with the workers!
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Speaks volumes of support for the Working Class
SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)as a scab
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)geardaddy
(25,392 posts)malthaussen
(18,572 posts)... but her focus group hasn't run all the numbers yet.
-- Mal
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Didn't see him on the picket lines before he started running for President.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)solidarity with protesters.
AllyCat
(18,846 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)supporting and standing up for liberal ideals and values.
mdbl
(8,658 posts)I am glad we finally have a Presidential candidate sticking up for the middle class. It's been a long time.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)But nice try.
Hey, when's the last time Hillarys walked a picket line? (Hint: never)
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/bernie-sanders-president-primary-hillary/
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Just as attending a conference in a Vatican-sponsored academy is not the same as meeting with the Pope.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)But OK, I will give you one. One more (preferably outside of his state where one may argue he was appealing to his core voting block), and we just might call it a pattern.
MisterFred
(525 posts)But why look for evidence you'd rather not find?
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)MisterFred
(525 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)MisterFred
(525 posts)Honestly, it sounds like you want me to go to a bunch of effort retracing steps, putting together links, so that you can shrug, concede one point, but change your positions not at all.
You don't need me to tell you Sanders is more union-friendly than Clinton. It's pretty obvious, and if you come to that knowledge yourself, you'll internalize it. Or decide you don't care.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)because it is generally accepted that in order to make a claim, one must be prepared to found it in facts.
Case in point: unions appear to disagree with you. And I am prepared to demonstrate that my claim is based in fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Labor_unions
As you can see, things that may be obvious to you are not necessarily reflected in reality. What better reason to put an effort into some fact-finding?
MisterFred
(525 posts)We weren't talking about endorsements. We were talking about a history of supporting unions and joining picket lines. And I have seen plenty of facts supporting my claim. I just don't think proving that to YOU is worth my time. Because I don't give you credit for being willing to listen, only to argue unfaithfully.
As in using strawman arguments.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)If I recall, someone on DU recently said, and I quote:
Now what would an accurate measure of union-friendliness be? Don't unions have something to say about whom they consider friendly?
...C'mon, you gotta give me credit for something! How'bout credit for destroying your arguments with your own words? I'd settle for that. It's not like I am trying to make friends with you...
MisterFred
(525 posts)"It's not like I am trying to make friends with you"
Sounds like you need a victory.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)"It's not like I am trying to make friends with you" sounds like I am not trying to make friends with you, no?
The rest is just your idle musings.
MisterFred
(525 posts)I'm pretty amused my my idle musings.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Besides others through his long career but I'm now on my phone with little time to research.
Doubt it would matter anyway to you.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)You're moving the goalposts from your very own criteria. Quelle surprise
2. What an opportunist!
Didn't see him on the picket lines before he started running for President.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)way before the official announcement.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/senator-bernie-sanders-may-run-in-2016.html
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Good to know. Next time try doing some of your own research.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)I still don't see Bernie on the picket lines before he started running. As you can see from this thread, I am open to relevant info and even willing to not hang up on technicalities. This doesn't make me wrong. So don't get personal. It doesn't make you look good, especially when you have nothing factual to contribute.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Expect it.
Although all the unions seem to be behind Hillary I'd trust Bernie way more on unions just because he's not been bought and paid for by the same forces that hurt unions.
alarimer
(17,146 posts)I don't understand why they are endorsing the Democrat most likely to do them harm, but whatever, I just resent them asking me to do work on her behalf. I won't even if she's the nominee.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)but it is easier to do (what u describe above) then admit that they are backing the wrong person. Voting against ones best interests is the norm for republicans...until now I had not realized how prevalent it is for dems also.
CountAllVotes
(22,215 posts)>>During Sanderss quixotic mid-1970s bid to become governor of Vermont, I accompanied him to a meeting of local granite cutters, teamsters, and electrical workers. This was not a flatlander crowd, nor one dominated by full-time union officials. His audience was native Vermonters, some of them Republican, who were still punching a clock at local quarries, trucking companies, and machine tool factories in an era when the future home state of Ben & Jerrys and Vermont Teddy Bear Co. still had impressive blue-collar union density.
These local union delegates had come together to make candidate endorsements under the banner of the Vermont Labor Forum, a coalition of unions outside the AFL-CIO. Sanders then delivered what is now known due to its essential continuity over the last four decades as The Speech. (For one of its longer iterations, see his 2011 book by the same name.)
Sanderss persuasive message to the Labor Forum was that corporations were too powerful, workers were getting screwed, and both major parties were beholden to the bosses (or, as Sanders might call them today, the billionaire class, a social category not yet invented forty years ago).
Sanderss appeal for working-class support in 1976 seemed most persuasive to rank-and-file representatives of the United Electrical Workers (UE). They were, of course, members of a left-led national organization that had long favored political action outside the Democratic Party. However, in deference to their more cautious colleagues, the UE members politely went along with the Labor Forum majority, which, per usual, voted to endorse Vermont Democrats, despite Liberty Unions superior labor bona fides.
Good read and then some!
& recommend !!
Sanders 2016 !!
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)United We Stand Divided We Fall
Honk----for a political revolution Bernie 2016
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)On their first date in 1971, she and Slick Willy crossed a Picket Line. That's so romantic!
...
The relationship between Rodham and Clinton, two instrumental figures in the decoupling of the Democratic Party from the priorities of the mainstream labor movement, thus began with the crossing of a picket line.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/bill-hillary-clinton-labor-union-yale-law/
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)where was and has been Clinton?
Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)I am responding to Bernie posing for the cameras at the Verizon picket line.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)you said Sanders is a opportunist when it comes to walking a picket line correct----------------------Where has Clinton been the last 8 years she conveniently walked a picket line when................ last month in front of the cameras.
I know where Sanders has been for the last 40 plus years, in started on a protest line in 1963, where was Clinton in 1963 wasn't on a civil rights line that's for sure..........................that is simple fact
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-arrest-1963-civil-rights-protest-caught-183852911.html
w.rawstory.com/2015/09/bernie-sanders-hits-an-iowa-picket-line-standing-with-workers-is-something-ive-been-doing-my-entire-life/
and just for a reminder..............................
http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/618214/bernie-sanders-returns-picket-line-verizon-strikers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251571576
https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-joins-a-union-picket-line-and-its-not-just-for-labor-day/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-verizon-protest_us_562e4609e4b0ec0a38950e62
And just for a reminder.....................this is Hillary and Bill on there first date..................................
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/bill-hillary-clinton-labor-union-yale-law/
Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
FailureToCommunicate
(14,605 posts)Oh, and thanks for the good links!
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)but when someone can't be here to defend themselves, that has his principles......................then ........................
I think everyone should see what the difference is when it comes to Sanders and Clinton(s) and Unions.
Her 1971 crossing of the line with her future husband is classic and in my opinion and says a lot......................
I wish I could be at a town hall to ask her about that-----------------I can just imagine what the answer would be-----------------we were young................... for starters------------------right.
Listen, Liberals by Thomas Frank, pretty much says a lot about the Clinton's, and he really doesn't hold back .................
good read
Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Not even some Vanilla ice cream?
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Hillary has been organizing student strikes as early as 1968.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/us/politics/05clinton.html?_r=0
And she volunteered to provide legal services for the poor, the children and migrant workers, all before Bernie decided to become a politician.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
I can go on, but I don't really see the point in it. Should I start digging into Bernie's ten years between the time he moved into Vermont and the time he first ran for office? This is not the subject of the thread.
Tell me how Bernie is not an opportunist for getting onto the podium at the Verizon picket lines as cameras were rolling all around him and he was getting free advertising on every news channel.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)Please inform the thousands on this thread to exactly what that means.
Honk---------------------for a politcal revolution Bernie
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)I don't like it one bit.
But Bill crossing the picket line 45 years ago and dragging Hillary with him has precious little to do with Bernie piggybacking onto the picket line today for free publicity.
Besides, don't you think a 45 year old news item deserves its own thread?
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)as a former Union organizer at a major airline and supporter, it says a lot.
And lets just say, that something that happened 45 years ago, says a lot, and no, to it being on another thread.
I think it (45 years ago crossing a picket line) is relevant to this thread--------------------its about principles, from days gone by till today.............................you may not approve, but these are the facts
And if you think that she was screaming and kicking and yelling that she wasn't going to cross that line, then there isn't much else I can say, because she wasn't kicking, screaming and yelling on not crossing that line, she made a conscience decision to do so.
Just a heads up for a good read:
Listen, Liberals by Thomas Frank -------------he is a Liberal
Pretty much explains some things about the Clinton's, Third Way, DLC, democrats and many others in this book, it does have some current events on everything up to it's release.
I still trust the guy from Brooklyn, because he has my back, and I have his.....................
Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Ok, I get it. You think a 45 year old stunt is as relevant as today's news... I don't.
Cool. I don't admonish people for having an opinion.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)relevant actions from the past says a lot about someone character today and they are important and if you think in my humble opinion that crossing a picket line is a stunt, cross one, then get back to us.
Just some heads up information in 1968 and through 1971, the union strength in this country was one/third (33%) of the working population, today its down to 11%, why because people cross the picket line to weaken a union
I'm glad you don't think that someone crossing a picket line -------------from days gone by and even today are not the same -------------------it does mean the same and there is a word for it............................
Are you a Union member by chance, are you a professional, do you support unions? .............................you can tell me and everyone on this thread anything because I /we don't know.
But I do know who and what I am, and I don't cross picket lines-------------------ever.................even from 45 years ago till today, it hurts the majority of the members who want a union
Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Not sure why you find it funny.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)That to me is fucking hilarious!
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)And you keep diverting it to a 45 year old STUNT.
I don't see how anyone in his right mind would derive pleasure from that.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Obviously, the intellectual level you demand for a discussion is way beyond what I can accept.
Buh-bye.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)turbinetree
(27,551 posts)and I never got a response to the questions.
That incident from 1971 says a lot................................
Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Undoubtedly he will alert and his HRC cronies will hide my post. It's worth it to let him know what an #$#%@ he is.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)No, I would rather have everyone see who they are dealing with.
I couldn't have insulted you any worse than you just did.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I dare say most would applaud me for telling you what I really think of you.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)besides, we both know who is going to win the nomination-----------------we the worker class people and not some corporatist that crossed a picket line, just like in Thomas Franks, book, the professional technocratic professionals, the New Democrats, DLC, The Third Way, think that the free market, is the best thing, they are wrong, just look at what Warren said to today about Krugman over at Huffingtopn Post .............................. in my opinion
If I see anymore of his /her comments I will not respond, I don't like entrapment logic or the gotcha, we have enough right wingers out there.
And has for your comment, The site providers will look at the entire comments that were presented if you get hit, when someone eggs on someone else -----------------------in my opinion that's not right, in fact its wrong, very wrong
Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
mdbl
(8,658 posts)Her willing participation in eradicating many decent paying jobs in the retail and food industry. That is about as anti-union as you can get.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)and in my opinion, in the past relates to the actions today........................................
She has flip flopped on trade deals, she was a major influence on the NAFTA deal, she gave recommendations to the president, her husband, and she gave her influence on the TPP and on other trade deals----------------she cannot run from those facts.
This inequality and that's what we are speaking about is related to "trade deals" it is related to infrastructural decay, tax havens, inner city strife, wages, everything, hell................ hedge funds came out of a loop hole in the New Deal Act Laws which were passed, and now look at what we have from them.................................which is in the "American Prospect" magazine.
I am currently reading Listen, Liberal by Thomas Frank, and when it came to NAFTA, Clinton's and others ..........................there is information in there which I had forgotten about ...............that's all I will say................................
Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There's a distinction there
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)I mean, why drag Bernie into this?
You can just say I am lying without being specific, or without any mention of a distinction or what this distinction is.
You are not running any risk of being less relevant.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You know, with people pointing out your claims of bernie never taking up a picket line before are proven wrong, and yet you keep repeating it.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Even the single one I agreed to be counted didn't prove me wrong.
People may be saying I am wrong, but the best they can do is tell me to do research to prove myself wrong.
Read the thread, chief... is there an echo in here?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Changing your criteria and shifting the goals doesn't mean you haven't been shown to be wrong, it means you're being disingenuous.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)My original reply:
Didn't see him on the picket lines before he started running for President.
Who proved me wrong?
Talk of changing the goal posts...
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)what that even looks like.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)while taking advantage of a picket line.
I am sure that it looks different with your head so far up Bernie's ass.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And where's Hillary? Oh, counting the cash that she received from Verizon fat cats:
Verizon has given between $118,000 and $300,000 to the Clinton Foundation in recent years. And as Zaid Jilani reported in Alternet last year, Hillary Clinton is the favored candidate of numerous Verizon executives, many of whom have given the maximum donation to her 2016 effort...
http://usuncut.com/politics/each-of-the-top-10-corporate-tax-dodgers-donate-to-hillary-clinton/
Who's the opportunist?
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Why can't you Sandernistas ever stay on subject?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Hillary Clintons favorability ratings are historically low and increasingly a concern for her supporters.
Clinton is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of the electorate, according to the HuffPost Pollster average, which tracks findings from 42 different polling outfits. Only 40.2 percent of people view her favorably, according to that average.
...
Even Democrats acknowledge those findings are a problem.
Theyre pretty bad, said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon, who connected the poor poll numbers to separate findings that show a broad number of Americans dont trust Clinton.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Did you have a point? No?
Can you come up with anything less pathetic than "But... Hillary" and a
?
But to your point: yes, I am cute! Can't say I was tying to change the subject now.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And I can't find the
that you're talking about. Also your picture doesn't portrays you as very cute.

Not that there's anything wrong with it.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)And it's called "changing the subject", which is pretty wrong as far as I am concerned.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Calling Bernie an opportunist is hilarious and ironic though.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)And where's Hillary?
Let me guess what your brilliant retort will be: I am not quoting you verbatim... Pahleeeeeze!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Can I ask you a question? You sound and act very familiar. What was your name before coming back?
PCPrincess
(68 posts)People who repeat a known-lie are either dishonest or a troll (and sometimes ignorant). The latest 'meme' about Hillary being ahead in popular votes is based solely on the popular vote count in states with primaries. Why is that? BECAUSE caucus states DON'T count popular votes, they only keep track of delegate counts. Therefore the PEOPLE who voted in caucus states are not counted in the popular vote tally. As we know, Bernie has won an overwhelming majority of caucus states. Every time I am lurking and see someone posting a lie, I will call them on it.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:51 PM - Edit history (1)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.htmlOr that Hillary is about 250 pledged delegates ahead of Bernie?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
Or are you suggesting that we should change how popular vote is counted for Bernie's sake? Ok, why don't YOU count those votes and prove that I am a liar, eh? Until you do, watch your mouth and quit throwing shit around, mkay?
...Oh wait I see where you think I am lying. I am not as cute as I would lead you to believe... You got me there, guilty as charged!
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)It might not be an 'either/or'
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)beastie boy
(13,283 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)rurallib
(64,688 posts)Never seen Hillary or Bill on a picket line
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)This sure makes Bernie less of an opportunist, right?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Consoling the executives I guess because her butt is NEVER out with the working employees on a picket line.
Go Bernie!
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)at the buffet line.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)all their concerns will fade away like spores in the wind.
elljay
(1,178 posts)She'll gladly mingle at a $2700 per plate fundraiser.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)zentrum
(9,870 posts)
.line that's forming at Washington Square Park for Bernie. Some Verizon strikers were there.
Bernie will be there at 7 or 8. The line is already 2 lengthy blocks long and people have been waiting since 10AM.
All kinds of peoplemostly young because it is, after all, right at NYU. But also older way past millennial people, plus vets for Bernie, POC all ages, Trans, and lots of bloggers. Heard there is a Labor contingent, but we couldn't locate itmay be there later.
Unfortunately I had to leaveno way I can stand on line for hours today.Wish I could. Very energized crowd. Terrific to see them. Large police presence too.
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)Sounds great!
zentrum
(9,870 posts)THOUSANDS of people. Lots of Verizon Strikers. Extremely high hopes for New York primary block after block.
Javaman
(65,714 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)Per the link:
"Sanders joined a picket line in Brooklyn on Wednesday and said the workers were displaying courage by standing up to the telecommunications giant. He told the strikers "I know your families are going to pay a price." And he promised them, "We're going to win this thing!"
Sanders' rival, Hillary Clinton, issued a statement earlier saying Verizon "should come back to the bargaining table with a fair offer for their workers."
About 39,000 members of the Communications Workers of America and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers went on strike Wednesday morning in nine eastern states and Washington, D.C."
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Wow, what a powerful statement. Now I'm totally convinced that she's not a Union buster.

abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)This is who we should elect president. Everyone else is a multimillionaire who will happily bargain away our benefits, social programs and jobs.
navarth
(5,927 posts)...unlike the other candidates...
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Go Bernie!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)He walks the walk and is the real deal.
Hillary is where???
ReRe
(12,189 posts)... and go Bernie! Verizon already made a statement to the press against Bernie. Eff Verizon.
alp227
(33,283 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(708 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Walking the walk.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...for workers and labor union actions, with workers' rights getting ignored or trashed every day in the Corrupt Media!
Bernie Sanders knows this and, of course, does the right thing: SHOWS UP!
The idiotbots, above, who blame him for showing visible, on the ground, walking the walk support for striking workers as a "photo op" are so clueless as to belong to a separate class of human beings who only use a small part of their brains--the reptillian part with the poisonous, forked tongue.
YES, IT IS A PHOTO OP, STUPID!
Phlem
(6,323 posts)stopwastingmymoney
(2,347 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)REAL DEMOCRATS support labor! The Clintons are anti-labor.
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)And so are 26 national unions who endorsed Hillary, it appears.
mdbl
(8,658 posts)Obviously, some have no common sense.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)lets have a membership vote and see who wins there .................................
Your facts look like they are misleading.........................................and besides, I and everyone in this thread are still waiting for the answers to the questions I asked from you..................
One in particular what do you call a person that crosses a picket line..................................ask the folks on the picket line at Verizon what they call them..................................
Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)And speculations are speculations. If you have something factual, bring it on. Conduct a rank and file vote and publish the results.
Otherwise, your speculations don't stand a chance against facts.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)what do you call a person(s) that cross a picket line?
There is an answer to this very simple question, so why do you deflect a response?
And to add to this conversation are you a "New Democrat" or a "New Deal Democrat"? There is a major difference ...................
These are three very specific questions ...................................
I will answer for myself
I don't cross picket lines........................
And I am a FDR, JFK, LBJ, Democrat and not a Third way DLC individual.............................
Because FDR gave us social programs to protect people, JFK gave us nuclear peace, LBJ gave us civil rights.....................
What has a "New Democrat" given us...............................
Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)even though they have nothing to do with Bernie taking a photo op on the picket line.
"what do you call a person(s) that cross a picket line?"
- If they cross a picket line to replace a striking worker, I would call them scabs. If they are 25 year old kids sneaking into a facility whose workers are on strike, I would call them stupid immature thrill seekers.
"There is an answer to this very simple question, so why do you deflect a response?"
-I don't. Your questions are a deflection in and of itself. If only you were to quit this, I would be happy to answer any question related to Bernie suddenly appearing on the picket line he had previously nothing to do with, with cameras all around him.
"are you a "New Democrat" or a "New Deal Democrat"? '
- Neither. I don't like labels. I find them restrictive and misleading.
And I am really happy for you wallowing in your labels, but you have to understand: this game is not to everyone's taste.
Now that I spent an entire post needlessly indulging your insistence on tivial answers, I hope this will end your attempts to change the subject.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)don't you feel better?
Good bye......................................
Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)But I hope you feel better now.
turbinetree
(27,551 posts)anyone that crosses a picket line from the beginning of the labor movement from the past, today or tomorrow it is, what it is, they are a .........................and you answered the question, and they, or anyone for that matter from the past or today cannot run from that fact.
This is not some kind of game-------------------people (human beings) who fought for and negotiated for fair wages, benefits, 40 hour work week, ending child labor abuse, health and safety, paid vacations, paid family leave, families destroyed by greed, pollution disasters, slave labor, etc.............and the key to the whole fact, is, and what labor is seeking from the past through today, is called respect, ...............people have died for those principles--------------------that's the issue, people have died, so that fellow human beings would not suffer what they had to go through past or present..............................those principles...................and to cross the line negates those principles in my opinion............................
It does not make me feel better
You might not like that answer but it is the answer......................................
Now, Good bye.................................
Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
beastie boy
(13,283 posts)You got your answers, and you still don't let go of your diversions.
If you want to continue your nonsense after I met your unreasonable demands, you will have to do it all by yourself.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)public service announcement..
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beastie boy
(13,283 posts)One politician is fighting for workers' rights and the other one is pandering.
A real Rorschach test!
Release the shrinks! And the patients!
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,605 posts)so, we'll cut you some slack. May we hope for better in the future though?
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)I knew when you spoke in Rochester on the CWA contract that you'd be true to your word and support the Verizon workers!
Thanks again, friend!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)and the crowd went wild. Bernie is the real deal.
4bernie28
(54 posts)Only Bernie would take his time to continue fighting for the people in the middle of a presidential campaign
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)And marched with unions as he promised. Is Hillary there? 👻. Nope!
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)at all the outdoor events Bernie is doing. Both for his endurance and for the crowds who brave weather that is not always warm. GO, BERNIE!
K&R
RandySF
(84,319 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)Bernie is one of us!