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riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:01 PM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders Joins Verizon Picket Line in NYC

Source: ABC News

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is offering support and praise to Verizon workers who walked off their jobs up and down the East Coast.

Sanders joined a picket line in Brooklyn on Wednesday and said the workers were displaying courage by standing up to the telecommunications giant. He told the strikers "I know your families are going to pay a price." And he promised them, "We're going to win this thing!"

Snip

About 39,000 members of the Communications Workers of America and theInternational Brotherhood of Electrical Workers went on strike Wednesday morning in nine eastern states and Washington, D.C.

The workers say they have been without a contract since August and negotiations have stalled.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-verizon-disappointed-union-calls-strike-38356539



Solidarity with the workers!
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Bernie Sanders Joins Verizon Picket Line in NYC (Original Post) riderinthestorm Apr 2016 OP
Bernie has no problem putting on those "Comfortable Shoes" FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #1
Hehe. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #36
$hillary thought about going SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #110
Strikes are a great time to enjoy a museum without all those pesky proles around Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #112
That should be its own OP. geardaddy Apr 2016 #128
Naw, she would have walked the line... malthaussen Apr 2016 #122
What an opportunist! beastie boy Apr 2016 #2
Yes, you could - here's one example from South Burlington before he ran karynnj Apr 2016 #4
He started running before he formally announced beastie boy Apr 2016 #6
Never thought I'd see the day when a Democrat would question a liberal politician standing in jillan Apr 2016 #90
It's the way of Third Way AllyCat Apr 2016 #102
I never thought I'd see the day when liberals would relish the opportunity to belittle a liberal for Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #109
Seriously makes you wonder. mdbl Apr 2016 #116
He's been walking picket lines with workers since 1976 riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #5
Attending labor forums, and even sponsoring labor workshops is different from walking a picket line. beastie boy Apr 2016 #9
Here's Bernie with the Fairpoint workers in 2014 riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #12
Looks like the picket line came to his office. beastie boy Apr 2016 #13
And to think, all you'd need to do to verify that pattern is to look! MisterFred Apr 2016 #19
If that's all you need to do, why don't you try it? beastie boy Apr 2016 #43
I have. And found what I was looking for. nt MisterFred Apr 2016 #64
But you don't care to share, do ya? beastie boy Apr 2016 #67
Is there a reason to do so? MisterFred Apr 2016 #71
Very much so! beastie boy Apr 2016 #96
Strawman. MisterFred Apr 2016 #106
Pardon me, but do you recall who brought up the subject of being union-friendly? beastie boy Apr 2016 #107
Sure, why not. MisterFred Apr 2016 #119
Projecting again... beastie boy Apr 2016 #120
Whatever you say. MisterFred Apr 2016 #125
He's been on a few " Fight for 15" lines as well riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #28
Anything prior to when he decided to run for President? beastie boy Apr 2016 #42
Here he us with a picket line in NH riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #60
That was a month after he decided to run for President. beastie boy Apr 2016 #61
6 months before he announced he was running for President riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #75
As evidence shows, and as is usually the case with any candidate, he decided to run beastie boy Apr 2016 #78
So, you were wrong. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #35
Ummm... no I was not. beastie boy Apr 2016 #41
+1000 BeanMusical Apr 2016 #85
They're so eager to piss on anything he does, aren't they? n/t deutsey Apr 2016 #11
What a mean-spirited, vicious world-view they have. Divernan Apr 2016 #16
It's primary season. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #17
Mine has endorsed her as well and then asked me to rally for her. alarimer Apr 2016 #68
Yes they are... deathrind Apr 2016 #30
Thanks for the link !! CountAllVotes Apr 2016 #15
Thank you.......................great piece ........time honored........................ turbinetree Apr 2016 #39
"Hey, when's the last time Hillary’s walked a picket line?" BeanMusical Apr 2016 #94
Your kidding right............................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #8
Clinton? Wrong thread! beastie boy Apr 2016 #10
That's right and I am responding to you..................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #14
Just don't feed 'em FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #25
Your welcome...........I don't try to to feed them ..................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #32
"Just don't feed 'em" BeanMusical Apr 2016 #95
Ok, if you insist on going off topic... beastie boy Apr 2016 #37
Ok...........then her crossing the picket line in 1971 says what............. turbinetree Apr 2016 #51
OK, if you insist... beastie boy Apr 2016 #55
Let me point out something to you................................. turbinetree Apr 2016 #62
hmmm... difference of opinion... beastie boy Apr 2016 #66
Let me say ................................ turbinetree Apr 2016 #72
Now it's a stunt! What a joke. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #118
A 45 year old stunt, to be precise. beastie boy Apr 2016 #121
DUH!!! Because it's not a stunt and you will go to any lengths to find something bad about Bernie. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #123
Hellooooo! This thread is about Bernie! beastie boy Apr 2016 #133
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #134
Very mature of you. beastie boy Apr 2016 #137
Thank you! Buh-bye!! BTW, your imaturity shows through with every post you make. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #139
The person was asked a direct question(s)...............by me ................ turbinetree Apr 2016 #130
I just told him to go fuck himself. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #135
Hide your post? beastie boy Apr 2016 #138
I don't think you have a lot of friends on this site, and certainly not in your thread. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #140
Everything will be cool............................. turbinetree Apr 2016 #143
Lest we forget her foray in to the board at Walmart mdbl Apr 2016 #117
This is correct............................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #131
No, you're lying about Bernie Scootaloo Apr 2016 #34
Can you please be less specific? beastie boy Apr 2016 #47
Read the thread, chief Scootaloo Apr 2016 #52
So far, not one proved me wrong. beastie boy Apr 2016 #53
You mean hte one you changed goalposts for? Scootaloo Apr 2016 #54
Say wha??? beastie boy Apr 2016 #57
A great man living up to his ideas!!! I know with your head so far up HRC's ass, you don't know FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #44
I dunno, with my head so far up HRC's ass, it looks like Bernie is getting some free publicity beastie boy Apr 2016 #48
WOW! You mean the media is finally covering him!! Hooray!! FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #50
Roflmao! BeanMusical Apr 2016 #69
If only I had a nickel for every "But... Hillary!" reply. beastie boy Apr 2016 #70
You're so cute. :D BeanMusical Apr 2016 #74
She is also 2.5 million votes and over 200 delegates ahead. beastie boy Apr 2016 #77
Where did I say "But... Hillary"? BeanMusical Apr 2016 #79
Right after I posted about Bernie. beastie boy Apr 2016 #81
Mmm... Nope, can't find anything that you mention in any of my previous posts, sorry. BeanMusical Apr 2016 #84
Funny... it took me a whole of 5 seconds to find it. beastie boy Apr 2016 #88
Hum, no. BeanMusical Apr 2016 #93
You Are Repeating a Lie PCPrincess Apr 2016 #129
Is it a le that hillary has about 2.5 million votes over Bernie? beastie boy Apr 2016 #132
"either dishonest or a troll" The Green Manalishi Apr 2016 #142
Liar Marrah_G Apr 2016 #80
Oh c'mon, he is not a liar! Just an opportunist! beastie boy Apr 2016 #83
buh bye Marrah_G Apr 2016 #87
nice try rurallib Apr 2016 #101
Here we go again... "But Hillary!"... "But Bill!" beastie boy Apr 2016 #104
Bernie!! AzDar Apr 2016 #3
I was just thinking that. Love you Bernie! Zira Apr 2016 #20
And where is "she"? SoapBox Apr 2016 #7
Hillary is busy joining Verizon execs brentspeak Apr 2016 #18
and promising them that if she gets power, restorefreedom Apr 2016 #21
Only if they are paying elljay Apr 2016 #124
She's telling the bosses to "cut it out!" BuelahWitch Apr 2016 #82
Lol, good one! BeanMusical Apr 2016 #86
Just got back from the Rally zentrum Apr 2016 #22
Thanks for your report. geardaddy Apr 2016 #56
Went back hours later. zentrum Apr 2016 #103
this is the president I want. :) nt Javaman Apr 2016 #23
This is huge. Verizon just got pulled into the middle of the presidential election. Nice! Zira Apr 2016 #24
... Verizon "should come back to the bargaining table with a fair offer for their workers." BeanMusical Apr 2016 #99
Yeah, see abelenkpe Apr 2016 #26
Bernie walks the walk navarth Apr 2016 #27
You took the words right out of my, uhh keyboard. Duckfan Apr 2016 #29
NBC News: Sanders gets "rock star welcome" when he shows up at picket line tabasco Apr 2016 #31
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #33
Power to the People passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #38
well of course he does! retrowire Apr 2016 #40
Go Verizon STRIKERS... ReRe Apr 2016 #45
good thing I switched to Virgin in 2011. nt alp227 Apr 2016 #58
A lovely photo op for King Bernie! Gamecock Lefty Apr 2016 #46
Love that Bernie knows exactly where his comfortable shoes are, and that they're not hypothetical. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #49
My President. Phlem Apr 2016 #59
K&R!!! It is vital that our political leaders show VISIBLE support... Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #63
+1 Spot on. Phlem Apr 2016 #65
+2, especially for the reptilian part, nt stopwastingmymoney Apr 2016 #111
The people bashing Bernie in this thread should be ashamed of themselves. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #73
I am so ashamed! beastie boy Apr 2016 #91
I work with moron union members who have voted repuglican since Reagan mdbl Apr 2016 #141
The leadership in the union.........................backed her......................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #144
By definition, facts are facts. beastie boy Apr 2016 #145
Again, my friend you still haven't answered the specific question..................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #146
You keep trying to deflect, but to end this nonsense, I will answer your questions, beastie boy Apr 2016 #147
You finally have given the answers to the questions....................... turbinetree Apr 2016 #148
No, I don't feel better. It was a total waste of time. beastie boy Apr 2016 #149
Ok I will play your game...................one more time ................. turbinetree Apr 2016 #150
No, this is your game, and I am not playing. beastie boy Apr 2016 #151
K&R... disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #76
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #89
Oh this is precious! beastie boy Apr 2016 #92
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #98
This is your first day FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #100
Thanks, Bernie! Earth_First Apr 2016 #97
Rec for solidarity Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #105
I loved it when Bernie said brothers and sisters azmom Apr 2016 #108
only bernie 4bernie28 Apr 2016 #113
If only President Obama had kept his word and out on those "sneakers" Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #114
I'm really amazed Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2016 #115
Doesn't his campaign use Verizon? RandySF Apr 2016 #126
You'd never see Hillary on a picket line or at a protest. WDIM Apr 2016 #127
not just lip service about supporting labor--nice change! yurbud Apr 2016 #136
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
1. Bernie has no problem putting on those "Comfortable Shoes"
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

Speaks volumes of support for the Working Class

malthaussen

(18,572 posts)
122. Naw, she would have walked the line...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

... but her focus group hasn't run all the numbers yet.

-- Mal

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
2. What an opportunist!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

Didn't see him on the picket lines before he started running for President.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
90. Never thought I'd see the day when a Democrat would question a liberal politician standing in
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

solidarity with protesters.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
109. I never thought I'd see the day when liberals would relish the opportunity to belittle a liberal for
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

supporting and standing up for liberal ideals and values.

mdbl

(8,658 posts)
116. Seriously makes you wonder.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:46 AM
Apr 2016

I am glad we finally have a Presidential candidate sticking up for the middle class. It's been a long time.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
5. He's been walking picket lines with workers since 1976
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

But nice try.

Hey, when's the last time Hillary’s walked a picket line? (Hint: never)

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/bernie-sanders-president-primary-hillary/ 

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
9. Attending labor forums, and even sponsoring labor workshops is different from walking a picket line.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

Just as attending a conference in a Vatican-sponsored academy is not the same as meeting with the Pope.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
13. Looks like the picket line came to his office.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

But OK, I will give you one. One more (preferably outside of his state where one may argue he was appealing to his core voting block), and we just might call it a pattern.

MisterFred

(525 posts)
19. And to think, all you'd need to do to verify that pattern is to look!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

But why look for evidence you'd rather not find?

MisterFred

(525 posts)
71. Is there a reason to do so?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

Honestly, it sounds like you want me to go to a bunch of effort retracing steps, putting together links, so that you can shrug, concede one point, but change your positions not at all.

You don't need me to tell you Sanders is more union-friendly than Clinton. It's pretty obvious, and if you come to that knowledge yourself, you'll internalize it. Or decide you don't care.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
96. Very much so!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

because it is generally accepted that in order to make a claim, one must be prepared to found it in facts.

Case in point: unions appear to disagree with you. And I am prepared to demonstrate that my claim is based in fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Labor_unions

As you can see, things that may be obvious to you are not necessarily reflected in reality. What better reason to put an effort into some fact-finding?

MisterFred

(525 posts)
106. Strawman.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

We weren't talking about endorsements. We were talking about a history of supporting unions and joining picket lines. And I have seen plenty of facts supporting my claim. I just don't think proving that to YOU is worth my time. Because I don't give you credit for being willing to listen, only to argue unfaithfully.

As in using strawman arguments.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
107. Pardon me, but do you recall who brought up the subject of being union-friendly?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

If I recall, someone on DU recently said, and I quote:

You don't need me to tell you Sanders is more union-friendly than Clinton. It's pretty obvious, and if you come to that knowledge yourself, you'll internalize it. Or decide you don't care.


Now what would an accurate measure of union-friendliness be? Don't unions have something to say about whom they consider friendly?

...C'mon, you gotta give me credit for something! How'bout credit for destroying your arguments with your own words? I'd settle for that. It's not like I am trying to make friends with you...

MisterFred

(525 posts)
119. Sure, why not.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

"It's not like I am trying to make friends with you"

Sounds like you need a victory.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
120. Projecting again...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

"It's not like I am trying to make friends with you" sounds like I am not trying to make friends with you, no?

The rest is just your idle musings.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
28. He's been on a few " Fight for 15" lines as well
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

Besides others through his long career but I'm now on my phone with little time to research.

Doubt it would matter anyway to you.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
75. 6 months before he announced he was running for President
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

You're moving the goalposts from your very own criteria. Quelle surprise


2. What an opportunist! 

Didn't see him on the picket lines before he started running for President.



 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
41. Ummm... no I was not.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

I still don't see Bernie on the picket lines before he started running. As you can see from this thread, I am open to relevant info and even willing to not hang up on technicalities. This doesn't make me wrong. So don't get personal. It doesn't make you look good, especially when you have nothing factual to contribute.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
17. It's primary season.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

Expect it.

Although all the unions seem to be behind Hillary I'd trust Bernie way more on unions just because he's not been bought and paid for by the same forces that hurt unions.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
68. Mine has endorsed her as well and then asked me to rally for her.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

I don't understand why they are endorsing the Democrat most likely to do them harm, but whatever, I just resent them asking me to do work on her behalf. I won't even if she's the nominee.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
30. Yes they are...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

but it is easier to do (what u describe above) then admit that they are backing the wrong person. Voting against ones best interests is the norm for republicans...until now I had not realized how prevalent it is for dems also.

CountAllVotes

(22,215 posts)
15. Thanks for the link !!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

>>During Sanders’s quixotic mid-1970s bid to become governor of Vermont, I accompanied him to a meeting of local granite cutters, teamsters, and electrical workers. This was not a “flatlander” crowd, nor one dominated by full-time union officials. His audience was native Vermonters, some of them Republican, who were still punching a clock at local quarries, trucking companies, and machine tool factories in an era when the future home state of Ben & Jerry’s and Vermont Teddy Bear Co. still had impressive blue-collar union density.

These local union delegates had come together to make candidate endorsements under the banner of the Vermont Labor Forum, a coalition of unions outside the AFL-CIO. Sanders then delivered what is now known — due to its essential continuity over the last four decades — as “The Speech.” (For one of its longer iterations, see his 2011 book by the same name.)

Sanders’s persuasive message to the Labor Forum was that corporations were too powerful, workers were getting screwed, and both major parties were beholden to “the bosses” (or, as Sanders might call them today, “the billionaire class,” a social category not yet invented forty years ago).

Sanders’s appeal for working-class support in 1976 seemed most persuasive to rank-and-file representatives of the United Electrical Workers (UE). They were, of course, members of a left-led national organization that had long favored political action outside the Democratic Party. However, in deference to their more cautious colleagues, the UE members politely went along with the Labor Forum majority, which, per usual, voted to endorse Vermont Democrats, despite Liberty Union’s superior labor bona fides.

Good read and then some!

& recommend !! Sanders 2016 !!

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
39. Thank you.......................great piece ........time honored........................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:59 PM
Apr 2016

United We Stand Divided We Fall




Honk----for a political revolution Bernie 2016

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
94. "Hey, when's the last time Hillary’s walked a picket line?"
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

On their first date in 1971, she and Slick Willy crossed a Picket Line. That's so romantic!

In 1971, Bill and Hillary Clinton went on their first date — and scabbed.
...

The relationship between Rodham and Clinton, two instrumental figures in the decoupling of the Democratic Party from the priorities of the mainstream labor movement, thus began with the crossing of a picket line.


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/bill-hillary-clinton-labor-union-yale-law/

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
8. Your kidding right...............................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

where was and has been Clinton?

Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
10. Clinton? Wrong thread!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

I am responding to Bernie posing for the cameras at the Verizon picket line.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
14. That's right and I am responding to you.....................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

you said Sanders is a opportunist when it comes to walking a picket line correct----------------------Where has Clinton been the last 8 years she conveniently walked a picket line when................ last month in front of the cameras.

I know where Sanders has been for the last 40 plus years, in started on a protest line in 1963, where was Clinton in 1963 wasn't on a civil rights line that's for sure..........................that is simple fact

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-arrest-1963-civil-rights-protest-caught-183852911.html

w.rawstory.com/2015/09/bernie-sanders-hits-an-iowa-picket-line-standing-with-workers-is-something-ive-been-doing-my-entire-life/

and just for a reminder..............................
http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/618214/bernie-sanders-returns-picket-line-verizon-strikers


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251571576

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-joins-a-union-picket-line-and-its-not-just-for-labor-day/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-verizon-protest_us_562e4609e4b0ec0a38950e62


And just for a reminder.....................this is Hillary and Bill on there first date..................................


https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/02/bill-hillary-clinton-labor-union-yale-law/


Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
32. Your welcome...........I don't try to to feed them .....................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

but when someone can't be here to defend themselves, that has his principles......................then ........................

I think everyone should see what the difference is when it comes to Sanders and Clinton(s) and Unions.

Her 1971 crossing of the line with her future husband is classic and in my opinion and says a lot......................

I wish I could be at a town hall to ask her about that-----------------I can just imagine what the answer would be-----------------we were young................... for starters------------------right.

Listen, Liberals by Thomas Frank, pretty much says a lot about the Clinton's, and he really doesn't hold back .................
good read




Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016








 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
37. Ok, if you insist on going off topic...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:57 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary has been organizing student strikes as early as 1968.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/us/politics/05clinton.html?_r=0

And she volunteered to provide legal services for the poor, the children and migrant workers, all before Bernie decided to become a politician.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

I can go on, but I don't really see the point in it. Should I start digging into Bernie's ten years between the time he moved into Vermont and the time he first ran for office? This is not the subject of the thread.

Tell me how Bernie is not an opportunist for getting onto the podium at the Verizon picket lines as cameras were rolling all around him and he was getting free advertising on every news channel.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
51. Ok...........then her crossing the picket line in 1971 says what.............
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

Please inform the thousands on this thread to exactly what that means.

Honk---------------------for a politcal revolution Bernie

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
55. OK, if you insist...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

I don't like it one bit.

But Bill crossing the picket line 45 years ago and dragging Hillary with him has precious little to do with Bernie piggybacking onto the picket line today for free publicity.

Besides, don't you think a 45 year old news item deserves its own thread?

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
62. Let me point out something to you.................................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

as a former Union organizer at a major airline and supporter, it says a lot.

And lets just say, that something that happened 45 years ago, says a lot, and no, to it being on another thread.

I think it (45 years ago crossing a picket line) is relevant to this thread--------------------its about principles, from days gone by till today.............................you may not approve, but these are the facts

And if you think that she was screaming and kicking and yelling that she wasn't going to cross that line, then there isn't much else I can say, because she wasn't kicking, screaming and yelling on not crossing that line, she made a conscience decision to do so.

Just a heads up for a good read:

Listen, Liberals by Thomas Frank -------------he is a Liberal

Pretty much explains some things about the Clinton's, Third Way, DLC, democrats and many others in this book, it does have some current events on everything up to it's release.


I still trust the guy from Brooklyn, because he has my back, and I have his.....................




Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016











 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
66. hmmm... difference of opinion...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

Ok, I get it. You think a 45 year old stunt is as relevant as today's news... I don't.

Cool. I don't admonish people for having an opinion.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
72. Let me say ................................
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

relevant actions from the past says a lot about someone character today and they are important and if you think in my humble opinion that crossing a picket line is a stunt, cross one, then get back to us.

Just some heads up information in 1968 and through 1971, the union strength in this country was one/third (33%) of the working population, today its down to 11%, why because people cross the picket line to weaken a union


I'm glad you don't think that someone crossing a picket line -------------from days gone by and even today are not the same -------------------it does mean the same and there is a word for it............................

Are you a Union member by chance, are you a professional, do you support unions? .............................you can tell me and everyone on this thread anything because I /we don't know.

But I do know who and what I am, and I don't cross picket lines-------------------ever.................even from 45 years ago till today, it hurts the majority of the members who want a union

Honk-----------------------for a political revolution Bernie

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
123. DUH!!! Because it's not a stunt and you will go to any lengths to find something bad about Bernie.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

That to me is fucking hilarious!

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
133. Hellooooo! This thread is about Bernie!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

And you keep diverting it to a 45 year old STUNT.

I don't see how anyone in his right mind would derive pleasure from that.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
134. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016
 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
137. Very mature of you.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

Obviously, the intellectual level you demand for a discussion is way beyond what I can accept.

Buh-bye.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
130. The person was asked a direct question(s)...............by me ................
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

and I never got a response to the questions.

That incident from 1971 says a lot................................


Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
135. I just told him to go fuck himself.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

Undoubtedly he will alert and his HRC cronies will hide my post. It's worth it to let him know what an #$#%@ he is.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
138. Hide your post?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

No, I would rather have everyone see who they are dealing with.

I couldn't have insulted you any worse than you just did.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
140. I don't think you have a lot of friends on this site, and certainly not in your thread.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

I dare say most would applaud me for telling you what I really think of you.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
143. Everything will be cool.............................
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

besides, we both know who is going to win the nomination-----------------we the worker class people and not some corporatist that crossed a picket line, just like in Thomas Franks, book, the professional technocratic professionals, the New Democrats, DLC, The Third Way, think that the free market, is the best thing, they are wrong, just look at what Warren said to today about Krugman over at Huffingtopn Post .............................. in my opinion

If I see anymore of his /her comments I will not respond, I don't like entrapment logic or the gotcha, we have enough right wingers out there.

And has for your comment, The site providers will look at the entire comments that were presented if you get hit, when someone eggs on someone else -----------------------in my opinion that's not right, in fact its wrong, very wrong


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



mdbl

(8,658 posts)
117. Lest we forget her foray in to the board at Walmart
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:18 AM
Apr 2016

Her willing participation in eradicating many decent paying jobs in the retail and food industry. That is about as anti-union as you can get.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
131. This is correct...............................
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

and in my opinion, in the past relates to the actions today........................................

She has flip flopped on trade deals, she was a major influence on the NAFTA deal, she gave recommendations to the president, her husband, and she gave her influence on the TPP and on other trade deals----------------she cannot run from those facts.

This inequality and that's what we are speaking about is related to "trade deals" it is related to infrastructural decay, tax havens, inner city strife, wages, everything, hell................ hedge funds came out of a loop hole in the New Deal Act Laws which were passed, and now look at what we have from them.................................which is in the "American Prospect" magazine.

I am currently reading Listen, Liberal by Thomas Frank, and when it came to NAFTA, Clinton's and others ..........................there is information in there which I had forgotten about ...............that's all I will say................................


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie



 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
47. Can you please be less specific?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

I mean, why drag Bernie into this?

You can just say I am lying without being specific, or without any mention of a distinction or what this distinction is.

You are not running any risk of being less relevant.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
52. Read the thread, chief
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

You know, with people pointing out your claims of bernie never taking up a picket line before are proven wrong, and yet you keep repeating it.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
53. So far, not one proved me wrong.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

Even the single one I agreed to be counted didn't prove me wrong.

People may be saying I am wrong, but the best they can do is tell me to do research to prove myself wrong.

Read the thread, chief... is there an echo in here?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
54. You mean hte one you changed goalposts for?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

Changing your criteria and shifting the goals doesn't mean you haven't been shown to be wrong, it means you're being disingenuous.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
57. Say wha???
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

My original reply:

2. What an opportunist!

Didn't see him on the picket lines before he started running for President.


Who proved me wrong?

Talk of changing the goal posts...
 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
44. A great man living up to his ideas!!! I know with your head so far up HRC's ass, you don't know
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

what that even looks like.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
48. I dunno, with my head so far up HRC's ass, it looks like Bernie is getting some free publicity
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

while taking advantage of a picket line.

I am sure that it looks different with your head so far up Bernie's ass.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
69. Roflmao!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:22 PM
Apr 2016

And where's Hillary? Oh, counting the cash that she received from Verizon fat cats:

All of the Top 10 Corporate Tax Dodgers Have Donated to Hillary Clinton

Verizon has given between $118,000 and $300,000 to the Clinton Foundation in recent years. And as Zaid Jilani reported in Alternet last year, Hillary Clinton is the favored candidate of numerous Verizon executives, many of whom have given the maximum donation to her 2016 effort...


http://usuncut.com/politics/each-of-the-top-10-corporate-tax-dodgers-donate-to-hillary-clinton/

Who's the opportunist?
 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
70. If only I had a nickel for every "But... Hillary!" reply.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:30 PM
Apr 2016

Why can't you Sandernistas ever stay on subject?

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
74. You're so cute. :D
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Apr 2016
Clinton’s dismal approval ratings prompt Dem fears

Hillary Clinton’s favorability ratings are historically low and increasingly a concern for her supporters.

Clinton is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of the electorate, according to the HuffPost Pollster average, which tracks findings from 42 different polling outfits. Only 40.2 percent of people view her favorably, according to that average.
...

Even Democrats acknowledge those findings are a problem.

“They’re pretty bad,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon, who connected the poor poll numbers to separate findings that show a broad number of Americans don’t trust Clinton.


http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
77. She is also 2.5 million votes and over 200 delegates ahead.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
Apr 2016

Did you have a point? No?

Can you come up with anything less pathetic than "But... Hillary" and a ?

But to your point: yes, I am cute! Can't say I was tying to change the subject now.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
79. Where did I say "But... Hillary"?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

And I can't find the that you're talking about. Also your picture doesn't portrays you as very cute.



Not that there's anything wrong with it.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
81. Right after I posted about Bernie.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

And it's called "changing the subject", which is pretty wrong as far as I am concerned.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
84. Mmm... Nope, can't find anything that you mention in any of my previous posts, sorry.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

Calling Bernie an opportunist is hilarious and ironic though.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
88. Funny... it took me a whole of 5 seconds to find it.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016
69. Roflmao!

And where's Hillary?


Let me guess what your brilliant retort will be: I am not quoting you verbatim... Pahleeeeeze!

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
93. Hum, no.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

Can I ask you a question? You sound and act very familiar. What was your name before coming back?

PCPrincess

(68 posts)
129. You Are Repeating a Lie
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:18 PM
Apr 2016

People who repeat a known-lie are either dishonest or a troll (and sometimes ignorant). The latest 'meme' about Hillary being ahead in popular votes is based solely on the popular vote count in states with primaries. Why is that? BECAUSE caucus states DON'T count popular votes, they only keep track of delegate counts. Therefore the PEOPLE who voted in caucus states are not counted in the popular vote tally. As we know, Bernie has won an overwhelming majority of caucus states. Every time I am lurking and see someone posting a lie, I will call them on it.

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
132. Is it a le that hillary has about 2.5 million votes over Bernie?
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 14, 2016, 01:51 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Or that Hillary is about 250 pledged delegates ahead of Bernie?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

Or are you suggesting that we should change how popular vote is counted for Bernie's sake? Ok, why don't YOU count those votes and prove that I am a liar, eh? Until you do, watch your mouth and quit throwing shit around, mkay?

...Oh wait I see where you think I am lying. I am not as cute as I would lead you to believe... You got me there, guilty as charged!
 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
104. Here we go again... "But Hillary!"... "But Bill!"
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

This sure makes Bernie less of an opportunist, right?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. And where is "she"?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

Consoling the executives I guess because her butt is NEVER out with the working employees on a picket line.

Go Bernie!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
21. and promising them that if she gets power,
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

all their concerns will fade away like spores in the wind.

zentrum

(9,870 posts)
22. Just got back from the Rally
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

….line that's forming at Washington Square Park for Bernie. Some Verizon strikers were there.

Bernie will be there at 7 or 8. The line is already 2 lengthy blocks long and people have been waiting since 10AM.

All kinds of people—mostly young because it is, after all, right at NYU. But also older way past millennial people, plus vets for Bernie, POC all ages, Trans, and lots of bloggers. Heard there is a Labor contingent, but we couldn't locate it—may be there later.

Unfortunately I had to leave—no way I can stand on line for hours today.Wish I could. Very energized crowd. Terrific to see them. Large police presence too.

zentrum

(9,870 posts)
103. Went back hours later.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

THOUSANDS of people. Lots of Verizon Strikers. Extremely high hopes for New York primary block after block.

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
24. This is huge. Verizon just got pulled into the middle of the presidential election. Nice!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

Per the link:
"Sanders joined a picket line in Brooklyn on Wednesday and said the workers were displaying courage by standing up to the telecommunications giant. He told the strikers "I know your families are going to pay a price." And he promised them, "We're going to win this thing!"

Sanders' rival, Hillary Clinton, issued a statement earlier saying Verizon "should come back to the bargaining table with a fair offer for their workers."

About 39,000 members of the Communications Workers of America and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers went on strike Wednesday morning in nine eastern states and Washington, D.C."

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
99. ... Verizon "should come back to the bargaining table with a fair offer for their workers."
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

Wow, what a powerful statement. Now I'm totally convinced that she's not a Union buster.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
26. Yeah, see
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

This is who we should elect president. Everyone else is a multimillionaire who will happily bargain away our benefits, social programs and jobs.

ReRe

(12,189 posts)
45. Go Verizon STRIKERS...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

... and go Bernie! Verizon already made a statement to the press against Bernie. Eff Verizon.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
49. Love that Bernie knows exactly where his comfortable shoes are, and that they're not hypothetical.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
63. K&R!!! It is vital that our political leaders show VISIBLE support...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

...for workers and labor union actions, with workers' rights getting ignored or trashed every day in the Corrupt Media!

Bernie Sanders knows this and, of course, does the right thing: SHOWS UP!

The idiotbots, above, who blame him for showing visible, on the ground, walking the walk support for striking workers as a "photo op" are so clueless as to belong to a separate class of human beings who only use a small part of their brains--the reptillian part with the poisonous, forked tongue.

YES, IT IS A PHOTO OP, STUPID!

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
73. The people bashing Bernie in this thread should be ashamed of themselves.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

REAL DEMOCRATS support labor! The Clintons are anti-labor.

mdbl

(8,658 posts)
141. I work with moron union members who have voted repuglican since Reagan
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

Obviously, some have no common sense.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
144. The leadership in the union.........................backed her.........................
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:00 PM
Apr 2016

lets have a membership vote and see who wins there .................................

Your facts look like they are misleading.........................................and besides, I and everyone in this thread are still waiting for the answers to the questions I asked from you..................

One in particular what do you call a person that crosses a picket line..................................ask the folks on the picket line at Verizon what they call them..................................


Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016











 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
145. By definition, facts are facts.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

And speculations are speculations. If you have something factual, bring it on. Conduct a rank and file vote and publish the results.

Otherwise, your speculations don't stand a chance against facts.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
146. Again, my friend you still haven't answered the specific question.....................
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

what do you call a person(s) that cross a picket line?

There is an answer to this very simple question, so why do you deflect a response?

And to add to this conversation are you a "New Democrat" or a "New Deal Democrat"? There is a major difference ...................

These are three very specific questions ...................................

I will answer for myself

I don't cross picket lines........................

And I am a FDR, JFK, LBJ, Democrat and not a Third way DLC individual.............................
Because FDR gave us social programs to protect people, JFK gave us nuclear peace, LBJ gave us civil rights.....................

What has a "New Democrat" given us...............................


Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
147. You keep trying to deflect, but to end this nonsense, I will answer your questions,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

even though they have nothing to do with Bernie taking a photo op on the picket line.

"what do you call a person(s) that cross a picket line?"
- If they cross a picket line to replace a striking worker, I would call them scabs. If they are 25 year old kids sneaking into a facility whose workers are on strike, I would call them stupid immature thrill seekers.

"There is an answer to this very simple question, so why do you deflect a response?"
-I don't. Your questions are a deflection in and of itself. If only you were to quit this, I would be happy to answer any question related to Bernie suddenly appearing on the picket line he had previously nothing to do with, with cameras all around him.

"are you a "New Democrat" or a "New Deal Democrat"? '
- Neither. I don't like labels. I find them restrictive and misleading.

And I am really happy for you wallowing in your labels, but you have to understand: this game is not to everyone's taste.

Now that I spent an entire post needlessly indulging your insistence on tivial answers, I hope this will end your attempts to change the subject.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
148. You finally have given the answers to the questions.......................
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

don't you feel better?

Good bye......................................



Honk----------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
149. No, I don't feel better. It was a total waste of time.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

But I hope you feel better now.

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
150. Ok I will play your game...................one more time .................
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:23 PM
Apr 2016

anyone that crosses a picket line from the beginning of the labor movement from the past, today or tomorrow it is, what it is, they are a .........................and you answered the question, and they, or anyone for that matter from the past or today cannot run from that fact.

This is not some kind of game-------------------people (human beings) who fought for and negotiated for fair wages, benefits, 40 hour work week, ending child labor abuse, health and safety, paid vacations, paid family leave, families destroyed by greed, pollution disasters, slave labor, etc.............and the key to the whole fact, is, and what labor is seeking from the past through today, is called respect, ...............people have died for those principles--------------------that's the issue, people have died, so that fellow human beings would not suffer what they had to go through past or present..............................those principles...................and to cross the line negates those principles in my opinion............................

It does not make me feel better

You might not like that answer but it is the answer......................................


Now, Good bye.................................


Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016




 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
151. No, this is your game, and I am not playing.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 04:33 PM
Apr 2016

You got your answers, and you still don't let go of your diversions.

If you want to continue your nonsense after I met your unreasonable demands, you will have to do it all by yourself.

Response to riderinthestorm (Original post)

 

beastie boy

(13,283 posts)
92. Oh this is precious!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

One politician is fighting for workers' rights and the other one is pandering.

A real Rorschach test!

Release the shrinks! And the patients!

Response to beastie boy (Reply #92)

FailureToCommunicate

(14,605 posts)
100. This is your first day
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

so, we'll cut you some slack. May we hope for better in the future though?

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
97. Thanks, Bernie!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

I knew when you spoke in Rochester on the CWA contract that you'd be true to your word and support the Verizon workers!

Thanks again, friend!

azmom

(5,208 posts)
108. I loved it when Bernie said brothers and sisters
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 11:57 PM
Apr 2016

and the crowd went wild. Bernie is the real deal.

 

4bernie28

(54 posts)
113. only bernie
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:11 AM
Apr 2016

Only Bernie would take his time to continue fighting for the people in the middle of a presidential campaign

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
114. If only President Obama had kept his word and out on those "sneakers"
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 02:57 AM
Apr 2016

And marched with unions as he promised. Is Hillary there? 👻. Nope!

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
115. I'm really amazed
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 04:03 AM
Apr 2016

at all the outdoor events Bernie is doing. Both for his endurance and for the crowds who brave weather that is not always warm. GO, BERNIE!

K&R

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