Bernie Sanders Just Released His Tax Returns. Read Them In Full.

[silvershadow]

Source: Mother Jones

http://www.motherjones.com/documents/2804313-Bernie-Sanders-Just-Released-His-Tax-Returns

Read more: http://www.motherjones.com/documents/2804313-Bernie-Sanders-Just-Released-His-Tax-Returns

[msongs]

1. not LBn. by the way these are returns from 2 years ago, not CURRENT returns. nt

[silvershadow]

4. Yeah, he couldn't find Hillary's transcripts! LOL nt

[JoFerret]

162. Good for her. Private speeches by a private citizen

are quite a different matter than basic routine disclosure of taxes from those who aspire to be president.

Anyway - Why should she disclose them? Good for Hillary. Got paid well to speak in front of hundreds of people. It's what people do when they can. Imagine - a woman and not an entertainer - commanding big fees.

Does it upset you that a woman gets paid to speak? And just how #secret" do you imagine they are? Hundreds must have been in attendance.

This ridiculous angle is totally bogus

Yes. Good for her.

And meanwhile - where are Bernie's tax returns for the last 5 years starting with 2015?

[Egnever]

163. That was some awesome excuse making

You should be paid for that you are great at it.

[JonLeibowitz]

11. "current" returns are not due until Monday (or possibly October)

[George II]

24. Jane told Andrea Mitchell yesterday that they would be released "when they're due", which is....

....Monday, and she said she would not request an extension. So if she was being truthful, they'll be released COB Monday.

[JonLeibowitz]

34. Well if they're not planning on an extension, then we can expect them shortly after Monday.

No reason to expect it to be released precisely on Monday for them to be "truthful".

By the way, you know some post offices remain open until midnight, so your scenario is impossible to fulfill? Turn it in at 11:59...oops! past Monday, Jane is a liar.

Such tests for truthfulness are silly.

[George II]

39. Quote - "when they're due".

[JonLeibowitz]

44. this is a poor avenue of attack for your lot. Look at all the poutrage over the 2014 returns

Amazingly, nothing of interest was discovered.

[laserhaas]

110. Yup...scales oj justice weigh heavy against HRC

Hillary keeps saying she's going to reign in Wall Street

Just as soin as she gets another few million to speak on how they should

Cut it out

[laserhaas]

111. Suprise Hill duehards ( no matter what) aren't faulting Bernie

For not taking milliins from special interests

[pangaia]

97. Can you imagine with living with one of these folks suffering from OCD?

OCD can be mild OR....

[pangaia]

96. "IF SHE WAS BEING TRUTHFUL." Jesus on a stick...

Don't lay Hillary's weaknesses on Jane.

[tosh]

21. FAIL...they are from 1 year ago.

2014 return due April 15, 2015, 2015 return due April 19, 2016, etc.

Try again!

[roguevalley]

31. why did HRC only release eight years of taxes? Wny not from the presidency? What is she hiding?

[George II]

41. BILL Clinton's were released in the 1990s.

[tosh]

50. Her paid speech transcripts, that's what.

[eggplant]

87. (Checks calendar) Oh noes! He doesn't have his documents from THE FUTURE!

Gasp!

[Warpy]

36. he's probably going to spend the weekend sweating over this year's return

like most of his constituents. I finally mailed mine in today. I expect the updated 1099 to arrive by June so I have to do 'em all over again.

[George II]

46. Pretty scary that a candidate for the leader of the free world (or his wife) does their own taxes...

....what if he's elected and he gets invited to the Vatican next year on April 15?

[Warpy]

69. Not really

He's not the leader of the free world yet and I'm sure the job will come with a lot of good references for honest CPAs for whoever is in office.

There were quite a few older guys whose clothing said "MONEY!" standing in line at the PO, their taxes in hand. Not only is a tax program cheaper than a CPA, it also lets you see just what's going on with your money. Those are the reasons I suck it up and do my own.

[MisterFred]

156. Not to mention I've caught errors by tax guys in the past.

[greymouse]

74. George II (or is that III?)

I do my own taxes. You can bet I know exactly where my money is and goes, because I keep my hands on it. Also, I rarely wait until the last minute. I also do not throw away money on some software program or CPA when I can do it myself for nothing. (I believe Jane does the taxes, not Bernie.)

[greiner3]

115. Actually;

There was a charge for the tax prep so I'm thinking there was a CPA, or such, that talked Jane out of doing the taxes.

But if you have inside info

[SusanCalvin]

117. But they say "self prepared."

I'm not trying to provide anti-Bernie info, certainly not for $204. I just have a tendency to notice inconsistencies.

[George II]

122. The only inside information I have is what both of them said more than once this week....

.....Jane does their taxes.

[BeanMusical]

159. Hello, Georgie boy!

[SusanCalvin]

118. Really?? That's all you got? nt

[Doctor_J]

126. It is?

Why?

[SusanCalvin]

132. Very good question. nt

[Doctor_J]

135. Hillary's next attack ad

Senator Sanders prepares his own tax returns...Marx, Castro, and che filed their own tax returns...coincidence?

[SusanCalvin]

136. .

[Doctor_J]

141. Or they could go the "Jew" angle

"Bernie Sanders does his own tax returns...too cheap to pay a professional?"

[SusanCalvin]

143. I hope even they wouldn't. nt

[RATM435]

52. .

[beerandjesus]

147. Hahahaha perfect!!

[RoccoR5955]

67. They are 2014 taxes

which were due LAST YEAR in 2015, so they are LAST YEAR'S taxes.

[Omaha Steve]

88. NOT LBN after ALL the posts by DUers demanding he release them?

Or that he was asked to do so during the debate last night?

Well Hillary was asked last night to provide transcripts. But she has something to hide.

OS

[SusanCalvin]

119. ^THIS^

[pangaia]

93. 2015 isn't even due until monday.. and not not until oct with an extension..

What in the world do you guys want?


Don't even answer that.
We all know..

[Hydra]

130. Ya, they want the impossible

For all of us to trust their candidate with our lives and our futures.

...Nope.

[revbones]

94. He released 2014 like he said he would

2015 isn't even due yet if that's what you're trying to complain about.

[NancyDL]

102. For your information, last year, we filed our 2014 returns; the 2015 returns are due this weekend...

To all you Hillary grousers...

Bernie and his wife are citizens, like most of the rest of us, who do their taxes and take them to the Post Office when they are due. "Releasing their returns" probably requires that someone goes to their house, pulls them from a file cabinet, copies them and faxes them to someone. He's not someone, like ALL THE REST OF THE CANDIDATES, who can just call up his accountant.

From my POV, I'm thrilled to see a candidate who's in the game because he wants to serve his fellow citizens.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

158. Sorry, but you got your ass kicked all the way up one side and down the other.

Don't like it? Too bad.
Suffer. You brought it all on yourself.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. As i thought, nothing interesting here at all.

Now where are those transcripts?

[Warpy]

37. It's a little remarkable that his dividends were a whopping two bucks.

He's got enough income to be able to invest better than that.

[greymouse]

76. Maybe they have their savings in IRAs.

Most of mine are in IRAs, so the earnings don't show up on my tax returns.

[Warpy]

100. That's probably true

I never think of IRAs because when they came out, I never had any money to put in one and when I did have enough money, I was too old to bother.

[questionseverything]

80. his taxable income about 140 grand and his taxes on that about 27 grand

so he has about 113 grand to maintain 2 residences and live

my plumber has more disposable income to invest with

and some people do not live and die by hoarding money away

[Skittles]

104. his supposed net worth is, like, $350000

he's not doing something alright

[egalitegirl]

137. Corruption and abuse of political power is what he is not doing alright

He is an honest guy!

[Skittles]

138. even WITHOUT all that

something does not compute

[greymouse]

144. don't they have a bunch of kids of one form or another

kids cost a lot of money, especially if they go to college, but even if not. Plus who knows if Bernie and Jane are helping out with the grandkids.

[onecaliberal]

3. What will they change their faux outrage to now? Where are the transcripts?

[silvershadow]

6. +1 nomination. nt

[SusanCalvin]

127. She will never release them.

Because no matter what could reasonably be expected to be in them, they would sink her. Period.

[onecaliberal]

129. I agree completely.

[Zira]

152. +1

[MattP]

5. 4 pages

[silvershadow]

8. I know right? nt

[Uncle Joe]

7. Bernie is a Capricorn.

Thanks for the thread, silvershadow.

[silvershadow]

9. You are welcome! nt

[Uncle Joe]

15. Actually I was mistaken, Bernie is a Virgo.

Bernard "Bernie" Sanders (born September 8, 1941) is an American politician and the junior United States senator from Vermont. He is a candidate for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2016 election. A member of the Democratic Party since 2015,[2] Sanders had been the longest-serving independent in U.S. congressional history, though his caucusing with the Democrats entitled him to committee assignments and at times gave Democrats a majority. Sanders became the ranking minority member on the Senate Budget Committee in January 2015; he had previously served for two years as chair of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

I read the if you were born before Jan 2 1950 as if you were born on that date.

[Autumn Colors]

108. The sign of "service" :) (nt)

[senz]

63. Even though he's not, Caps are still good.

[Uncle Joe]

148. ...

[senz]

149. Yes indeed

but it's still too close to Christmas. Oh well.

[Xipe Totec]

68. Cabricornio...

[floriduck]

10. Now we can finally put the Hillbots conspiracy theories to rest.

Before haters ask, prior year returns will be out within a week or so and the 2015 returns will be done soon, since Monday is the last day to file.

[George II]

22. Jane said during two interviews yesterday that they would be released "when they're due" - that...

...means Monday.

[floriduck]

23. Now George, go back and read the last sentence in my response.

I'll let it go this time.

[riversedge]

12. LOL. You are only fooling yourself

[jillan]

14. What is your point?

[Dragonfli]

18. .

No new memo yet?

[jillan]

19. I bet Brock is working on that right now.

[morningfog]

64. Can't ... Post.... Tweets... Until... Brock ...

Sends...word. Got it! Go!

[questionseverything]

81. but but but bernie so meannnnnnnnnnn!!!!

is always the fall back

[riversedge]

89. seems like Bernie doesnt want to pay his fair share. Hows he gonna get other rich guys to do

Good question.

Smooth Kobra ‏@smoothkobra 3m3 minutes ago

After all the talk, seems like Bernie Sanders doesnt want to pay his fair share. Hows he gonna get other rich guys to do it? 13%????????????

[SusanCalvin]

121. Whaaaa????

The taxes were calculated according to the current code. What do you want him to do, throw in a little lagniappe?

[RoccoR5955]

72. The point is probably on their head.

They should get a hat to cover it.

[liberalnarb]

48. He said he would release them and he did. Whos the fool?

[Gregorian]

13. Bernard

Sounds like a commie infiltrator to me.

[awoke_in_2003]

65. Bernard?

that proves everything about him is false. Why the fake name "Bernie"

[Plucketeer]

16. I lookin' forward to pickin' up some KILLER

speech-writin' tips!

[George II]

17. That's for 2014, not 2015.

[jillan]

20. Very good! You get a gold star.

[JDPriestly]

25. 2015 are barely filed. Why so impatient?

[pnwmom]

27. What is the delay in releasing his OLDER tax returns? Hillary released 8 years last summer,

and has released 30 years worth in total.

He should release at least several years, and has said he will. But what's the delay? All he had to do was call the IRS and ask them to send him copies, if he's misplaced them.

[silvershadow]

29. The delay is the wait for Hillary's transcripts. I bet if she releases them, he won't even need to

release anything else. Game over.

[pnwmom]

57. He's been avoiding releasing his tax returns for some reason, and trying to distract

with a call for her speech transcripts, something that has never been asked for in any Presidential race till now.

Clever.

[silvershadow]

58. Clever how you tried to turn around the story. Clever how Hillary keeps moving the goal posts.

Clever how she will have to drop out rather than release them.

[JDPriestly]

53. Maybe they have to wait until releasing them is required. Could be.

They will show Jane Sanders' income in addition to his. That's probably about the only difference.

[senz]

40. They don't care about the content of the actual returns

they just want to be able to say that Bernie is hiding something. Because the whole point is to detract from his reputation as an honest, forthright person. Plus, there's some tit-for-tat -- since we're asking for Hillary's speech transcripts, they want to do the same to Bernie with his taxes.

It's an unpleasant little game.

[silvershadow]

84. They are rather unpleasant people. nt

[senz]

90. lol, understatement of the year! nt

[JDPriestly]

150. Yes. And . . . . it may be that Bernie and Jane cannot release one or more of the years because

of a potential confidentiality agreement. I'm just guessing about that. I have no facts, but MaDem told me that she received a relatively small settlement when she left her job. A lot of times the amounts of those kinds of settlements are confidential. MaDem seemed to know the amount, so maybe not. We shall see.

[senz]

151. Yes, I got the impression that there could be a sensitive issue involved

not the "scandal" that Bernie's opponents are hoping for, but a consideration they have to honor. I feel sorry for them if this turns out to be a gross violation of their privacy.

[FailureToCommunicate]

28. Boy, I am losing respect for a number of posters on DU during primary time. Come on,

it really is not rocket science. Or even "Math" as the Hillary supporter keep saying.

Hint: 2015 taxes are due, but not releasable yet. Are you likely to open YOUR taxes for scrutiny before actually sending them in to the IRS? Didn't think so.

[yallerdawg]

30. Now we can call him Mr. Transparency.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns?OpenDocument

Getting the complete tax returns is like pulling teeth -or is it more like old-fashioned stonewalling?

I did notice a slight change in the Bernie stump speech at the debate. He said "billionaires and super PACs."

Maybe "millionaires" aren't so bad?

The reason that our campaign has done so well is because we’re doing something very radical: We’re telling the American people the truth. And the truth is that this country is not going to move forward in a significant way for working people unless we overturn this disastrous Citizens United Supreme Court decision...

(APPLAUSE)

... and unless we have real campaign reform so that billionaires and super PACs cannot buy elections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/us/politics/transcript-democratic-presidential-debate.html

[senz]

47. He's been saying "billionaires" all along. No change.

[yallerdawg]

70. He dropped "millionaires."

But you know that if your familiar with his speech repeated over and over and over for the last year.

[senz]

79. For some reason, I notice these things. It's always been "billionaires."

But I wonder why you care? Are you implying that Bernie is a millionaire? Is that it?

I doubt that he is. Every measure I've seen says he's not. But even if he were, even if all the reports are wrong, so what? What's the big deal?

Do you feel so bad about your compromised candidate that you have to hunt hunt hunt for any little thing on Bernie? Or, more accurately, any little implication?

Is that it?

Rather than try to play endless games of "blemish" on Bernie, why don't you tell your candidate to clean up her act? Then maybe you'll feel better.

[yallerdawg]

92. I notice these things, too. What if he is a millionaire?

[senz]

98. Here, check out his net worth

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/


Quick, quick, see if you find something to start a new SMEAR with!

Bleah.

[yallerdawg]

101. Or...

http://time.com/money/4235986/bernie-sanders-millionaire-finances/

Indeed, when you factor in his mayoral pension, any Thrift Savings Plan assets, and Jane Sanders’ retirement funds, the household’s effective retirement nest egg could be closer to a $2 million valuation. That’s well above the American average, of course. About half of households 55 and older have no retirement savings, according to a GAO report released last summer. And of those who do, households age 65-74 had a median $148,000 saved.

We shouldn't give him the Hillary treatment - after all, we're not Republicans, right?

[senz]

128. Retirement savings? 401K? Two professionals? Get serious.

Retirement savings are what you have to live off of for the rest of your life after you stop working. Financial advisors tell people to have at least a million saved up in these 401K plans invested in mutual funds. This is normal for middle class earners.

Here's how Bernie stacks up to the Senate average:



Bernie Sanders’ net worth is shown by the blue bars at the bottom.
The yellow line represents the average net worth of the U.S. senate.
Image source: Center for Responsive Politics

http://moneynation.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth/

As for Hillary -- she made some egregious weapons deals with big weapons manufacturers, third world countries, and huge "Clinton Foundation" donations to grease her palm as SOS. That is NOT normal.

She and her foundation operate in the gray area of the law. She is secretive and plays loose with the rules in a way that only very corrupt politicians do.

You should find a better person to support for president.

[thesquanderer]

32. 2015 is not due yet. (n/t)

[Scootaloo]

75. I'm not sure you know how this works...

[pnwmom]

26. Not "tax returns." Just one. n/t

[silvershadow]

33. The rest are with Hillary's transcripts. If she ever releases them, he won't even have to worry

about the rest of his absolutely boring tax returns. Game over.

As it will be if she is indicted, or as it will be if she's tangled up in Panama or Cayman, or if the CGI is ever audited or worse, investigated.

[pnwmom]

51. She's released a full video of one of her speeches. He's released a full tax return. n/t

[silvershadow]

56. One of. nt

[northernsouthern]

35. This says it all to me...

[silvershadow]

38. This says it all to me...

Account status: Active
Member since: Tue Mar 29, 2016, 06:45 PM
Number of posts: 381
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Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 290 posts in the last 90 days (76% of total posts)
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Last post: Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:22 PM

Jury
Willing to serve on Juries: Yes
Chance of serving on Juries: 0% (explain)


Please, chime in again when you've been properly vetted.

[northernsouthern]

42. Sir...

Your outrage is misdirected, my link broke. I fixed it.

[silvershadow]

49. Thank you! I offer my sincere and humble apologies. I take it back, too.

[northernsouthern]

55. I didn't want to delete my post because I hate "post deleted"

So I just put pending. Didn't think of how it would look, because I was just correcting a bad link. BUt it is easy to go a bit snappy on this board with so much negative attacks.

[silvershadow]

60. Understood. nt

[senz]

59. It looks like this person is on our side, silvershadow.

[silvershadow]

83. Yeah, we talked it out. That poster changed the post.

[senz]

86. Well that's good. I do appreciate your vigilance.

[Adsos Letter]

66. Delaware.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware

I have no idea where "Deleware" is.

[apcalc]

43. Don't care about his taxes

Don't care about her speeches

STRAW MEN

[beastie boy]

91. Do I detect a hint of sanity in this forum?

How refreshingly unusual! And much appreciated.

[liberalnarb]

45. Damn it! Beat me to it! I was gonna post this!

[silvershadow]

54. LOL! Go ahead. I won't alert on it. :D nt

[thereismore]

61. Yeah, but what about 2015, 2013, 2012... what is he hiding??

Don't shoot.

[silvershadow]

62. You will see them before we ever see a transcript. 10-1 says she NEVER releases them. nt

[thereismore]

71. I am so not taking that bet. She can't release them. She painted herself in a corner. Even if there

is nothing that would damage her (with her base, nothing can...) she can't release them.

[mudstump]

139. He is hiding more boring tax returns that show he is not a wealthy man...

[Thinkingabout]

73. Guess it fooled some. Hillary has already released her returns and has for

Thirty years, nothing new for the Clintons. On the transcriptv subject, we should be more concerned with what has been said in conversations with Sanders and NRA. We know the NRA has influenced Sanders votes, Clinton has not had the influence problem Sanders has.

[silvershadow]

82. Keep telling yourself that. She's in a "damned if she does, damned if she doesn't"

position now, isn't she?

[Thinkingabout]

95. No, her tax returns have been out for years, she did not have a problem with giving her tax returns.

[silvershadow]

99. I see you are still talking about tax returns. The rest of us are talking about transcripts. nt

[Thinkingabout]

107. Keep talking, still waiting on Sanders conversations with NRA. I am sure you

Heard Hillary night saying when the others released their information she will also. I am still waiting. We know Sanders was influenced by NRA. BTW, Hillary has not taken any votes or been in any official capacity from the time the speeches was made. Also, just as Sanders was unable to show one issue where Hillary was influenced, but he has.

[silvershadow]

109. I will quit talking when Sen. Sanders becomes Nominee Sanders.

(Or when he convinces me to vote for her).

[mudstump]

140. Yes, we know Hillary is extremely wealthy...and now we know Bernie is not.

[Thinkingabout]

142. I am not wealthy either but I still file tax returns. Why arec so many so concerned because

Bill and Hillary has a large net worth. They did not inherit the money and through book sales, Bill was president earning $200,000 a year, Sanders earns $175.000 a year and Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years, when is Sanders going to be attacked for his earnings?

[kracer20]

77. I was reading this post while not logged in

I've had a number of posters on ignore, so I guess I've been missing out.

I kid you not, I honestly don't know whether most of these comments are Hillary supporters that think they have a valid attack, or if they are Bernie supporters that are using sarcasm.

[Hydra]

133. Team Hill members lost without new talking points

It's kinda sad.

[pugetres]

78. Like I suspected...

He has a mortgage!

And, Vermont state charges way high taxes.

[silvershadow]

105. .

[Doctor_J]

103. I expect to see Hillary's speech transcripts Monday!

[SusanCalvin]

112. I'll probably regret asking this,

But what's with deducting tax preparation fees if they're self prepared?

(I know zip about itemized deductions, as we live in a very cheap house relative to our income.)

[silvershadow]

113. If you self prepare through the web, I suspect they were charged a fee? But that's just a guess. nt

[SusanCalvin]

116. If it was the price of TurboTax or something, I would have assumed that.

But it was over $200.

[silvershadow]

120. Sounds more than reasonable...I think Bernie and Jane probably have a net worth of $800k or so?

Those places charge for each different form you have to file...

[SusanCalvin]

123. But it says "self prepared."

Yeah, if someone else did it, $204 would be cheap.

[SusanCalvin]

134. I'm not urgently interested. Just notice inconsistencies. It's what I do....

[egalitegirl]

145. Turbotax business is 150, add 37 for each state and it makes sense

Most likely he used Turbotax business version which is $150 and he probably got it for $20 off. Turbotax charges $37 per state. Two states is $74. Adds up to $204.

Of course, that would be self prepared. Someone has to affix their signature. If it is not self prepared, it means someone else prepared it for you and the tax preparer has to sign the form.

[SusanCalvin]

146. Thank you for satisfying my curiosity.

I didn't even think of what the business edition might cost (not using even the personal edition), nor state taxes since I don't have any.

[Doctor_J]

124. OMG, you found the smoking gun! It's what the Clinton supporters knew they would find!

Bernie's going to Leavenworth!

[SusanCalvin]

131. No, I just notice inconsistencies. It's what I do.

Last edited Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Of course it's not a smoking gun, and for your information I am a Bernie supporter and have had a Bernie for Prez sticker on my car since at least a year before he declared. And have been a contributor from that time through the present as well.

[elmac]

114. I just got done doing my returns

if I read another I would need some serious meds.

[snot]

153. I can't bear to read my own.

Looking forward to others' summaries.

That said, Hillary fans have made an issue out of the delay, so I'd appreciate any light on that.

[SunSeeker]

154. Why are these not signed?

[Kelvin Mace]

157. If the returns are filed electronically

They don't need to be signed. Mine are not.

[Sunlei]

155. their 2014 look fine to me, I also do my own. Mrs. Sanders file the extention so you don't need to

spend the time on 2015 tax forms this weekend. Though their filing is not very complicated and probably just takes a hour or two to complete if their records are organized.

[JoFerret]

160. No he didn't. Release the Returns

ALL of them.

[silvershadow]

161. LOL. nt