Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:23 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
Donald Trump: 9/11 report excerpt will reveal Saudi Arabia's 'profound' role in the attacks
Source: Los Angeles Times
Donald Trump weighed in Tuesday on the reemerging debate over 28 pages of redactions in the 9/11 commission report and said he thinks the excerpt will show that U.S. ally Saudi Arabia played a significant role in the terrorist attacks. “We attacked Iraq and frankly by attacking Iraq — they were not the ones that knocked down the World Trade Center,” he said on “Fox and Friends.” Candidates in both parties, members of Congress and President Obama are engaged in an intensifying debate over whether to release the classified pages, in part because of proposed legislation over whether to allow 9/11 victims' families to sue Saudi Arabia for any possible role in the attacks. While Obama said he plans to wait on his decision until the director of national intelligence finishes a review of the information, lawmakers are pressuring him to declassify it. Trump said the U.S. needed to release the papers a long time ago. Read more: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-live-updates-new-yo-donald-trump-911-report-will-reveal-saudi-arabia-1461071362-htmlstory.html Trump is an unusual kind of broken clock. When he's right, he's really REALLY right. Wow.
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Reter | Apr 2016 | OP |
Name removed | Apr 2016 | #1 | |
DisgustipatedinCA | Apr 2016 | #2 | |
Esse Quam Videri | Apr 2016 | #3 | |
HooptieWagon | Apr 2016 | #6 | |
840high | Apr 2016 | #7 | |
SHRED | Apr 2016 | #19 | |
IDemo | Apr 2016 | #25 | |
KeepItReal | Apr 2016 | #4 | |
Dems to Win | Apr 2016 | #12 | |
AzDar | Apr 2016 | #17 | |
closeupready | Apr 2016 | #35 | |
AxionExcel | Apr 2016 | #21 | |
forest444 | Apr 2016 | #36 | |
AxionExcel | Apr 2016 | #37 | |
forest444 | Apr 2016 | #39 | |
HooptieWagon | Apr 2016 | #5 | |
Gregorian | Apr 2016 | #8 | |
Gregorian | Apr 2016 | #9 | |
Gregorian | Apr 2016 | #10 | |
MisterP | Apr 2016 | #16 | |
Locrian | Apr 2016 | #22 | |
Unicorn | Apr 2016 | #11 | |
hibbing | Apr 2016 | #13 | |
C Moon | Apr 2016 | #14 | |
Jack Rabbit | Apr 2016 | #15 | |
dynamo99 | Apr 2016 | #18 | |
Locrian | Apr 2016 | #23 | |
Turborama | Apr 2016 | #20 | |
Locrian | Apr 2016 | #24 | |
Turborama | Apr 2016 | #30 | |
Locrian | Apr 2016 | #42 | |
Turborama | Apr 2016 | #43 | |
Locrian | Apr 2016 | #55 | |
wordpix | Apr 2016 | #48 | |
tanyev | Apr 2016 | #26 | |
DetlefK | Apr 2016 | #27 | |
pampango | Apr 2016 | #28 | |
Reter | Apr 2016 | #31 | |
pampango | Apr 2016 | #32 | |
CompanyFirstSergeant | Apr 2016 | #29 | |
MosheFeingold | Apr 2016 | #33 | |
olddad56 | Apr 2016 | #34 | |
sofa king | Apr 2016 | #38 | |
apnu | Apr 2016 | #41 | |
sofa king | Apr 2016 | #44 | |
apnu | Apr 2016 | #54 | |
trudyco | Apr 2016 | #46 | |
sofa king | Apr 2016 | #47 | |
wordpix | Apr 2016 | #49 | |
apnu | Apr 2016 | #40 | |
Reter | Apr 2016 | #56 | |
ozone_man | Apr 2016 | #45 | |
tclambert | Apr 2016 | #50 | |
olddad56 | Apr 2016 | #52 | |
ViseGrip | Apr 2016 | #51 | |
EndElectoral | Apr 2016 | #53 | |
DianaForRussFeingold | Apr 2016 | #57 |
Response to Reter (Original post)
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:26 PM
DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)
2. Well look at that. A preview of the general.
Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #2)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:34 PM
Esse Quam Videri (685 posts)
3. ^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^
Wonder how Hillary will explain it?
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Response to Esse Quam Videri (Reply #3)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:38 PM
HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)
6. She'll duck the question.
Saudis own her...no way she'll permit release of the report.
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Response to Esse Quam Videri (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:14 AM
840high (17,196 posts)
7. She'll laugh and drone
on and on with no point.
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Response to Esse Quam Videri (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:53 AM
SHRED (28,136 posts)
19. Podesta Group? Never heard of them.
Response to Esse Quam Videri (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:03 AM
IDemo (16,926 posts)
25. "I haven't heard this before. I'm gonna look into it and get back to you."
Response to Reter (Original post)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:36 PM
KeepItReal (7,766 posts)
4. GOP frontrunner more correct on the Iraq Invasion than the Democratic frontrunner
This is Bizarro World.
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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:40 AM
Dems to Win (2,161 posts)
12. And on trade.
Trump rails against bad trade deals while the Democrats are set to nominate the wife of the man who signed NAFTA.
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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #12)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:12 AM
closeupready (29,503 posts)
35. Sadly, correct.
Response to KeepItReal (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:19 AM
AxionExcel (755 posts)
21. Short-fingered Republican Vulgarian gets one thing right
Why did all the other Repubes divert attention away from the obvious perps? What have the Republicans been hiding? What's up with that level of treason against America?
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Response to AxionExcel (Reply #21)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
forest444 (5,902 posts)
36. That's the truth - but not the whole truth.
While finally coming clean on Saudi Arabia's role in the attack would be a huge step in the right direction, it would still leave us beating around the Bush.
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Response to forest444 (Reply #36)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:28 AM
AxionExcel (755 posts)
37. + 1
The Republicans put into America's leadership a clown who dishonored the military by skipping out on responsibility, and who then dishonored himself and the G.O.P. by ignoring up to 70 warnings and then allowing the 9/11 terror attack to happen, and then deliberately diverting attention away from the perps.
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Response to AxionExcel (Reply #37)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:45 AM
forest444 (5,902 posts)
39. As the Romans used to say: Cui bono.
The attack gave the Bush regime everything it wanted. The Patriot Act, the wars, the profiteering, the huge run-up in commodity prices (which had been depressed since 1986), a second term, and God only knows what else.
They, at the very least, had an oar in this one and have to be held accountable. But oh, wishes were horses. |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:36 PM
HooptieWagon (17,064 posts)
5. Well, Trump is right. It should be released.
Not as I predict Trump will, to fan fires of anti-Muslim xenophobia, but to enable victims to persue their lawsuits and start a reexamination of our role in the Middle East and reevaluation of who our allies really are and how reliable they are.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:14 AM
Gregorian (23,867 posts)
8. Now that's diplomacy. If you enjoy being at war.
Yet part of me is conflicted with hearing the truth that must be avoided. In public. So where does this all take us?
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:20 AM
Gregorian (23,867 posts)
9. I think it's his honesty in some perverted way that attracts some to him.
I'm still quite disturbed with a conversation I had this evening with someone who is fully up to speed with politics. He won't vote for Hillary. In fact he says he'll vote for Chump. A let him have my best angles of how wrong that is, and he came back with something I'm forgetting at the moment. But this is bugging the hell out of me. It's an absurd election.
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Response to Gregorian (Reply #9)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:21 AM
Gregorian (23,867 posts)
10. step away from the computer.
aaand breathe...
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Response to Gregorian (Reply #9)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:20 AM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
16. this is precisely why he's so DANGEROUS
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-trump-big-government-20160301-story.html
just this week one of Clinton's lobotomite aides said it was just tickety-boo that those nasty blue-collar whites were losing their jobs thanks to neoliberalism; let them see what poverty feels like! he can make the entire economic issue transfer to the alt-right freakshow that he runs, while Obama pushes TISA and vetoes the 9-11 report and Clinton drags out every talking point she can and turns them into campaign crowbars; he wants to kick out the Muslims? she funds proto-IS and sells hundreds of billions to Riyadh! he wants a wall? she voted for one! and so on |
Response to Gregorian (Reply #9)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:56 AM
Locrian (4,424 posts)
22. same exact conversation
He's serious too. Doesn't see that trump will be the first to sell out to the highest bidder. But he's a wild card - and they're willing to risk it for *something*. I have a feeling they will regret it - but buyers remorse can be a tricky thing. They tend to "double down" even when they know they're wrong.
I have a baaaad feeling about the GE if its hrc vs trump |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:24 AM
Unicorn (424 posts)
11. He should still be stoped at all cost.
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:46 AM
hibbing (9,154 posts)
13. Watch the hosts
No visible reaction by any of them, quite revealing, especially coming from Faux.
Peace |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:03 AM
C Moon (10,928 posts)
14. I hope she chooses a good VP (if she wins).
Because the GOP seems soooo ready for this.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:05 AM
Jack Rabbit (45,984 posts)
15. Well, what do you know? Even the Donald can figure that out.
Last edited Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1) Of course, everybody knows that wealthy Saudis foot the bill for 9/11. The only people who don't know that we know are Ivy League educated establishmentarians. They are the dumbest people on Earth.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:31 AM
dynamo99 (48 posts)
18. Donald Trump
Yup. The fact that the Donald tells the truth here is probably a coincidence, since he doesn't seem to have much of a clue, other than what will whip people up. But if he gets a rep for that, it'll be harder for Hillary. Unfortunately, I think Hillary has the nomination now. And if it seems close in my state, I'll probably vote for the corrupt swine over the nut case. If not, Jill Stein will probably get my vote.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:01 AM
Locrian (4,424 posts)
23. yes the ivy league are in denial
But I think a lot of the low info voters only know that "A-rabs with brown skin" are responsible. That's about to get more specific with trump.
Trump can crystallize it in short words and soundbites and make the traditionally ignorant and "USA USA America" crowd understand it was a giant fuck up. Perfect timing for the report and GE for use by him. |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:41 AM
Turborama (22,109 posts)
20. “We attacked Iraq and frankly by attacking Iraq —
— they were not the ones that knocked down the World Trade Center,”
Did he actually finish the sentence, or is this a Palinesque word salad? |
Response to Turborama (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:02 AM
Locrian (4,424 posts)
24. short words = good
It works with the low info voter that doesnt care too much
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Response to Locrian (Reply #24)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:19 AM
Turborama (22,109 posts)
30. Disjointed sentences = bad
If a contender for the White House wants to be taken seriously.
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Response to Turborama (Reply #30)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:01 PM
Locrian (4,424 posts)
42. 2 words = george bush - n/t
Response to Locrian (Reply #42)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Turborama (22,109 posts)
43. Another 2 words. Stolen elections. n/t
Response to Turborama (Reply #43)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:53 PM
Locrian (4,424 posts)
55. absolutely - history does repeats itself n/t
Response to Turborama (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:25 PM
wordpix (18,652 posts)
48. He's terrible with grammer but huge and fantastic
Re everything else, or so he says
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:03 AM
tanyev (37,718 posts)
26. Really looking forward to the GOP convention in July.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:37 AM
DetlefK (16,038 posts)
27. Is he saying that friends of George W. Bush's administration were involved in 9/11?
Because that's where we are headed.
George W. Bush was personal friends with the saudi guys who maybe supported the 9/11-terrorists. So, how will the GOP handle this connection between terrorism and a republican President? |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:37 AM
pampango (24,690 posts)
28. Could we get a 'Donald Trump' group for all the "Trump is right about this" posts.
Or are they OK as long as we add the obligatory "broken clock" analogy?
Whatever Donald happens to be 'right' about is a coincidence that fits with his racist, xenophobic campaign strategy. And that, of course, makes him not 'right' at all. Bigots are never right even when their bigotry motivates them do so or say something we may agree with. |
Response to pampango (Reply #28)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:36 AM
Reter (2,188 posts)
31. Oh give it a rest
There's nothing wrong with giving someone credit for being right, especially really really right.
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Response to Reter (Reply #31)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
pampango (24,690 posts)
32. As long as you mention that he is a 'really really' racist and xenophobic 'broken clock'
on those occasions that he is 'really really right'.
And I don't anticipate 'giving it a rest' when it comes to the Donald any time soon. |
Response to Reter (Original post)
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:07 AM
MosheFeingold (3,051 posts)
33. Stopped Clock
Is right twice a day.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:57 AM
olddad56 (5,732 posts)
34. 911 was an inside job.
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:36 AM
sofa king (10,857 posts)
38. Let's take this Saudi business step-by-step.
What was really going on is the Republicans and their allies the Saudis were trying to toss a wrench into the US economy in an election year.
But they didn't get away with it and the proof is in the headlines right now. The short version is this: * The Saudis were (among other objectives) trying to pressure Russia out of Syria by overproducing oil, making Russian oil unprofitable. http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Did-The-Saudis-And-The-US-Collude-In-Dropping-Oil-Prices.html * The Russians declared victory and made preparations to pull out. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/15/world/russia-syria-withdrawal/ * As soon as they did, the Saudis agreed to an emergency OPEC meeting, to discuss a production freeze, so they can go back to making money. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-01/saudi-arabia-will-only-freeze-oil-production-if-iran-joins-plan * In the meantime, Republican election success depends directly upon oil prices, so whatever they're saying publicly, privately they're rooting for the Saudis to freeze production. https://www.texastribune.org/2016/03/16/oil-prices-depress-texas-campaign-donations/ * Republicans also depend upon economic instability to get close enough to steal it, and raising fuel prices is all they need. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/what-would-another-recession-mean-2016 * Recall that this is exactly the game they played in 2000 to let GW Bush get close enough to steal it. http://articles.latimes.com/2000/sep/23/news/mn-25321 * So the moment the Saudis opened the door to an emergency meeting, President Obama started to consider declassifying reports that would surely implicate the Saudis and the Republican Party in the 9/11 attacks. At the same time, a bill floated which would allow the families of 9.11 victims to sue the Saudis. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/11/obama-under-pressure-to-declassify-the-9-11-report-s-secret-28-pages.html http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/276680-clinton-sanders-back-bill-allowing-9-11-victims-to-sue-saudis * The Saudis didn't like that at all, and quickly resorted to extortion. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3543702/Saudi-Arabia-threatens-pull-750-billion-U-S-assets-Congress-passes-bill-making-government-liable-9-11-related-lawsuits.html Then the President dropped in on the Saudis, paying them a nice, cordial-like visit. There was a discussion, about what we do not know, and all of a sudden things changed. Now: * The Obama Adminsitration wants to squelch the right of families to sue the Saudis. http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bipartisanship-breaks-block-911-bill * The Russians are moving around artillery in Syria, rather than pulling it out. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-moves-artillery-units-syria/ * And the Saudis won't freeze oil production. http://www.businessinsider.com/no-deal-iran-sits-out-the-biggest-oil-meeting-in-decades-2016-4 Here's what I think we can conclude from all of this. The Republicans and their allies the Saudis were up to their usual election-year trick of destabilizing the US economy, in order to help the Republicans. President Obama in turn began a double counterpunch, legislatively and through executive action, threatening to reveal the Saudi (and therefore Republican) role in the 9/11 attacks. The Saudis freaked the f&^% out about it, went straight to the armageddon threats, and quietly rolled over on halting oil production. This pissed the Russians off and now they're not leaving Syria, but hell with them right now, say both the Saudis and the Americans. The deal, obviously, is that the Obama Administration will keep up the usual 9/11 charade for another six months, in return for which the Saudis will continue to overproduce oil for another six months. In the United States, the economy will continue to improve, unemployment will continue to drop, and the Republicans are going to get totally stomped, losing the White House, the Supreme Court, and probably Congress as well. All because the Republicans and the Saudis have colluded to cover up whatever criminal role they both had in the September 11 attacks. We know this for certain, logically, because the cover-up itself was felonious and the cover-up always conceals a larger crime. In other words, for the first time, the United States has begun to use the 9/11 attacks against the beneficiaries of the attacks, and it scared the ever-lovin' crap out of Saudi Arabia, which tells us a lot about their role in it. It might just destroy the Republican Party forever. |
Response to sofa king (Reply #38)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:50 AM
apnu (8,630 posts)
41. All of this undermines arguments that Hillary is a Republican.
You know there's many around here insinuating that.
Thanks for the big post tho. Lots of things to digest there. |
Response to apnu (Reply #41)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:20 PM
sofa king (10,857 posts)
44. Democrats are in a really good place right now.
President Obama is and has been a total friggin' genius compared to the Republicans, able to outmaneuver them at every turn, even when they resorted to their foolish "no to everything" defense in Congress. And this time, he's perfectly focused on using the power of the White House to increase Democratic gains across the board. So his effectiveness is increasing in this election year in which he does not have to run himself.
It's yet another example of his uncanny ability to turn a perceived disadvantage into an asset--and he is already the best I have ever seen at it. At the same time the Dems have qualified and competent candidates who are polling double-digits ahead of whichever goon wins the Republican clown-fight, and the overwhelming Democratic lead appears to be filtering through the Senate and even the gerrymandered House. It could be a big, big year for us. Really big. |
Response to sofa king (Reply #44)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:47 PM
apnu (8,630 posts)
54. Oh Yes. I believe history will be most kind to Obama.
And as time goes on, we'll find he's been 100% more awesome than he is right now.
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Response to sofa king (Reply #38)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:58 PM
trudyco (1,258 posts)
46. But why not just reveal the Republican Collusion?
Why go through all the round about hiding of facts? Why not just open up the classified pages and start investigating the Republican connection? Wouldn't that destroy the party more effectively than manipulating the Saudi's? Yes, there would be an issue with oil prices but it would be a hell of a legacy for Obama. It seems that your conjecture is much more complicated than being open with Americans and letting the truth come out. It would still destroy the Republican party. Unless the Republican party isn't the only party involved???
I don't understand why we are selling our best military equipment to Saudi Arabia either. It seems like that region could become unstable quickly if the dictatorship starts having challengers. The very equipment we are selling could be used against us. |
Response to trudyco (Reply #46)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:15 PM
sofa king (10,857 posts)
47. Because we're in on it too, now.
The day President Obama took office he had a choice to make: throw down the gauntlet and hunt them all down, or play along with it and become a part of the conspiracy.
Once that choice was made, it determined everything else. |
Response to trudyco (Reply #46)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:57 PM
wordpix (18,652 posts)
49. We are already selling billions of dollars worth of military hardware
To many ME nations..Israel, Turkey, Qatar, so Saudi Arabia has no corner on that market. It's out of control already.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
apnu (8,630 posts)
40. This dumbass is 15 years too late.
We've known this for a long time. Next he'll tell us the explosive news that water is, in fact, wet.
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Response to apnu (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:13 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
56. Come on, you're being way to hard on him
Better late than never. It's a lot more than Hillary and especially Obama are doing. This needs to come out to the public. If it came down to it, Trump would blame Bush a lot faster than any other Republican for that matter.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:37 PM
ozone_man (4,825 posts)
45. Excellent!
Trump says stuff that establishment candidates like Hillary would never say.
If Obama would only confront the Saudi's about 911 and funding of ISIS. And Turkey in their funding of ISIS. I suppose that will never happen as we were complicit/complacent as they did the dirty work. |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:59 PM
tclambert (10,893 posts)
50. Yes, but what about the 7-11 report?
I, for one, would like to know why the Slurpee dispenser on the far right never works.
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Response to tclambert (Reply #50)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:15 PM
olddad56 (5,732 posts)
52. trump will fix it and negotiate a better price on the Slurpees
he knows all about 7-11, he was there, at ground zero. Oh thank heaven, for Trump at 7-11.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:02 PM
ViseGrip (3,133 posts)
51. Yes wow! And many are looking at this, along with his Soc Sec expansion Hillary won't talk about!
And, Congress hates him. They will be miserable. Fewer negatives here.
This is what the 'cult' ignores. |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:35 PM
EndElectoral (4,213 posts)
53. Good God, he's right.
Response to Reter (Original post)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:22 AM
DianaForRussFeingold (2,552 posts)
57. The Donald:"Never Forget 7/11" Right?
"Never Forget The Tragic Events of 7/11..."
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