Officials of WV town say Clintons "not welcome" for campaign stop

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Source: WOWK-TV/Tri-State Update

After the Clinton campaign staff attempted to use the City of Logan Fire Department facilities for the Clinton upcoming visitations to the area, fire department officials contacted the Mayor of Logan about the situation. Logan officials then took matters into their own hands and sent an e-mail sent to Mike Browning, a representative for Senator Joe Manchin.

The e-mail states the following:

Mike,

While we appreciate all that you and Senator Manchin's office have done for the City Of Logan over the years we must make the following statement:

Bill and Hillary Clinton are simply not welcome in our town. Mrs. Clinton's anti-coal messages are the last thing our suffering town needs at this point. The policies that have been championed by people like Mrs. Clinton have all but devastated our fair town, and honestly, enough is enough. We wish them the best in their campaign, however we again state they are not welcome on our city properties. We hope that you will respectfully consider NOT visiting our community. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions, 304-687-4002. I am writing this on behalf of the City Of Logan.

Read more: http://www.tristateupdate.com/story/31857035/logan-officials-message-to-clinton-campaign

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More southern WV idiocy.
Artist's conception of Logan official:


BTW, here's what Trump has to say about WV miners:

Trump: I love the creative process. I do what I do out of pure enjoyment. Hopefully, nobody does it better. There’s a beauty to making a great deal. It’s my canvas. And I like painting it. I like the challenge and tell the story of the coal miner’s son. The coal miner gets black-lung disease, his son gets it, then his son. If I had been the son of a coal miner, I would have left the damn mines. But most people don’t have the imagination-or whatever-to leave their mine. They don’t have “it.”

Playboy: Which is?

Trump: “It” is an ability to become an entrepreneur, a great athlete, a great writer. You’re either born with it or you’re not.

- See more at: http://www.barefootandprogressive.com/2016/02/donald-trump-as-clueless-about-coal-miners-as-kentuckys-political-leaders.html#sthash.WSwDeYmN.dpuf

[pnwmom]

1. Then they wouldn't want any Democrat because Democrats want to move off coal ASAP. n/t

[silvershadow]

4. True. nt

[leftofcool]

8. +1 Obvious Trump supporters

[RiverNoord]

18. Um... When did Hillary Clinton discover the problems associated with burning coal?

I don't recall her ever discussing the need to stop burning it. Or has it only happened recently as a result of catching the 'imitate Bernie' flu?

[pnwmom]

29. This mayor in West Virginia knows she wants to stop our reliance on coal. How come

you don't know?

Have you ever looked at her website, which has been up since before Bernie began his run?

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

[GummyBearz]

84. The mayor in West Virginia apparently doesn't know

that she will have a strong pro coal message at her stop in his town. She probably will even deliver it in a West Virginian accent. He has absolutely no need to worry about hearing anything bad for his town from her (while she is there)

[pnwmom]

89. She will not. What she will say will be similar to what is on her website, where she says

we should:

"Revitalize coal communities. Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillary’s $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.

"Make environmental justice and climate justice central priorities. Across America, air pollution, water pollution, and toxic sites are disproportionately impacting low-income communities and communities of color—and climate change will make that impact even more severe. Hillary will set a bold national goal to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health risk within five years, create new economic opportunity by cleaning up the more than 450,000 toxic brownfield sites across the country, expand solar and energy efficiency solutions in low-income communities, and include the voices of community leaders, the environmental justice movement, and outside experts in taking on these challenges with a new Environmental and Climate Justice Task Force."

hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate

I hope she also addresses the health effects of mining on the miners and on the safety of the water that members of the community drink.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Health_effects_of_coal

Coal Mining Hazards

Chronic exposure to coal dust can lead to black lung disease, or pneumoconiosis, which took the lives of 10,000 miners worldwide over the last decade.[5] Rates of black lung are on the rise, and have almost doubled in the last 10 years. The US National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) reported that close to 9 percent of miners with 25 years or more experience tested positive for black lung in 2005-2006, compared with 4 percent in the late 1990s.[6]

Miners can also suffer other serious, long-term respiratory ailments: industrial bronchitis is very common among coal workers. In nonsmokers (who are less prone to develop bronchitis than smokers), studies of coal miners have shown a 16%[7] to 17%[8] incidence of industrial bronchitis.

Miners are also at risk of injury and fatality from coal mining disasters, such as the Upper Big Branch mine disaster that occurred on April 5, 2010 at Massey Energy's Upper Big Branch Mine at Montcoal in Raleigh County, West Virginia. Twenty-nine miners were killed.[9]

[hollowdweller]

94. If she really delivers on that then people will vote for her re election. But she won't get

Their 2016 vote.

[pnwmom]

120. Why would they prefer Bernie? He's just as much against coal power. n/t

[RiverNoord]

97. lol - OK.

The only explicit reference to coal on the page is this bullet point:

Revitalize coal communities.

Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillary’s $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.

That sounds like an incredible opportunity for 'coal communities.' Why didn't Logan lay out the red carpet instead?

And yes, I've been through Hillary Clinton's campaign web site twice during the past year. Each time I had to go outside, find any physical work I could, and throw myself into it for several hours. I got asked once by a confused but grateful neighbor in January why I'd shoveled snow for the entire block, including driveways - the answer wasn't quite the whole truth...

[Petrushka]

57. During her 2008 campaign, subsidies for "clean coal" was one of her promises . . .

. . . as if there was ever such as thing as "clean" coal.

[pnwmom]

91. This isn't 2008. Solar has made great strides since then. n/t

[Petrushka]

109. Indeed, solar has---thankfully---but does it address Hillary's being unwelcome in Logan circa 2016?

If I'm not mistaken, Bill Clinton isn't welcome there either. Wonder what
the folks in Logan (and other places in WV) remember from his years
as President.



Edited to add:
Forgot to include the following link re: 2008:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1433651

[pnwmom]

111. Bernie wouldn't be welcome either because both Democrats want to move away from coal. n/t

[appalachiablue]

116. BILL CLINTON Spoke at LOGAN Middle School, May 1, Bernie & Trump Supporters Were Outside.

At the Successful Huntington Rally April 26, Bernie Was Very Well Received by 6,000 people. Among other issues he spoke of the need to get away from *from fossil fuels and to make sure jobs are replaced.
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BILL CLINTON stop in Logan met with protesters, WSAZ, Sunday, May 1, 2016.
LOGAN, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- Approximately 200 Hillary Clinton supporters gathered in Logan Middle School's cafetorium to see former President Bill Clinton speak on his wife's behalf. Protesters made up of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters gathered outside the school. Supporters at the rally tell WSAZ their main concern is the economy. After his stop in Logan, President Clinton will head to Charleston where he will speak at the capitol rotunda. Doors open for that event at 1:45 p.m. Sunday. Hillary Clinton is scheduled to be in Ashland, Ky and Williamson, W.Va on Monday. Details for those events have not been released yet. http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Clinton-greeted-by-supporters-at-the-Capitol-rotunda.html
____________________________



- BERNIE RALLY HUNTINGTON, April 26, JEFF KESSLER, State Senator, 2016 Governor Candidate, Introduces Sanders

HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (WSAZ), Ap. 26 -- Thousands packed the Big Sandy Superstore Arena in Huntington on Tuesday night to hear Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During his one-hour speech, Sanders shared his talking points with the energetic crowd. "We are going to create an economy that protects the needs of our workers, our children, our seniors, our veterans -- all of the people of this country and not just the one (wealthiest) percent," Sanders said.
At one point the crowd chanted a variation of the "We are Marshall" cheer, replacing "Marshall" with "feeling the Bern."

Applause broke out when he talked about how he wants to implement free tuition at public colleges and universal healthcare. Sanders also talked about wanting to transform the energy system in America. Sanders talked about how he wants to change the energy system in America and is opposed to fossil fuels because of climate change. It's a position that's not popular in coal mining communities in West Virginia, but Sanders says they won't leave those who lose their jobs behind. "We have a moral obligation to make certain that those people who may lose their jobs get new jobs," Sanders said. Among those gathered was Suzanne Strait, who said Sanders has a different vision than the other candidates. “I think he can do a lot, because a lot has been going on here has not been working and getting worse,” Strait said. “So we have to, as he says, think outside the box and try some of these new ideas he has to get people back to work.” Sanders said in states with a high voter turnout, he wins.



- SANDERS RALLY, 6,000 Attend HUNTINGTON, West Virginia, April 26.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/While-other-states-vote-Sanders-to-rally-in-West-Virginia-377119851.html
http://www.thetrailblazeronline.net/news/article_e8d80c98-0cc3-11e6-af38-1f62eef76820.html

[pnwmom]

119. Yes, and Hillary's supporters had a very large turnout for that tiny town -- 200 people.

Bill handled the handful of protestors very well when they shouted from the doorway.

[Petrushka]

123. Not all WV voters live in the "tiiny town" of Logan nor in or near Logan County. (eom)

[pnwmom]

124. So? How many of them are going to like Bernie's position on coal? n/t

[Petrushka]

127. Dang! Sorry 'bout dat. At present, my crystal-ball is receiving one of those 404-Error messages.

Meantime, if you just can't wait until West (by God!) Virginia's primary,
may I suggest you consult one of your local psychics?

[pnwmom]

128. West Virginia has less than 4% black people, so Bernie's chances are excellent.

With the single exception of Vermont, the fewer black people, the better he does.

Plus, they let "undeclared" vote there, so that will help him with the independents. In short, if he can't win in West Virginia, he can't win anywhere.

[Petrushka]

130. "...if he can't win in West virginia, he can't win anywhere."?

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That made me laugh . . . because it's the exact opposite of what was said
about John F. Kennedy back in the day, viz: "If he can win in West
Virginia, he can win anywhere." It was said, back then, that West Virginians
wouldn't vote for a Catholic. Bigots, y' know? (** cough **)

I was a private secretary back then, working for one of the big biz politicos
who helped convince JFK to campaign in West Virginia.


Thank you! Your comment prompted some pleasant memories.

[appalachiablue]

137. >#136. Mountaineers are Always Free. 1863 West Virginia Joined the Union, Separated from Va. 1860.

- FDR Campaigns in Wheeling, West Virginia, Greets Coal Miner, Oct. 1932, During the Depression.

[Petrushka]

140. Beautiful! My maternal grandpap & uncles might have been there.

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I remember the clothes they wore were stiff as boards, as though they'd been soaked with dirty black water and then dried. I remember, too, my grandpap filling the bottom part of his bucket with water and the top with potato peelings. I remember the stories mother told me about the coal camps where she grew up, where miners were paid in that play-money called "scrip" and where nobody went in or out of the camp without the armed mine guards knowing . .. I mean: gotta keep that bolshevik union out.

I always loved that Seal of West Virginia with its farmer and miner symbolism. Sad, how both are pretty near extinct . . . probably because nobody thought to put them on an endangered species list.



Thank you for the photo. Gonna post it to my FB page before I shut 'er down and take a nap.

Hugs!

[appalachiablue]

141. The memories and realities, great and hard too. Take a look at post # 136 when you're up for it..

[Marthe48]

143. Eleanor Roosevelt Arthurdale WV

A planned New Deal town. My husband's uncle told us about Mrs. Roosevelt's hands-on interest in assisting coal mining families. And Mother Jones was a passionate force to organize the miners. A 100 years ago.

[Petrushka]

133. Just a note to let you know I edited my previous reply (#130) to your #128.

sleep deprivation, y' know.

All best!

[appalachiablue]

136. In 1960 The State of West Virginia, A Citadel of Labor, Won JFK the Democratic Party Nomination.

- Winning West Virginia—JFK's Primary Campaign -



"I would not be where I now am, I would not have some of the responsibilities which I now bear, if it had not been for the people of West Virginia." President John F. Kennedy, June 20, 1963

Religious bigotry was one of John F. Kennedy’s greatest adversaries in the 1960 Presidential primary campaign. In West Virginia, he confronted the issue head-on and defeated it. In early April, JFK arrived in West Virginia, a rural state with a struggling economy, to discover that a strong lead in a state poll tracked four months earlier had evaporated. He now trailed his opponent, Senator Hubert Humphrey, by 20 points. The explanation came from Kennedy’s advisors: “No one in West Virginia knew you were a Catholic in December. Now they know.” Yet just four weeks later, the people of West Virginia handed him a stunning victory that he credited with securing the Democratic nomination for President. Sweeping a state in which Catholics comprised barely 5 percent of the population, Senator Kennedy proved that a Catholic candidate could win votes.

JFK’s campaign in West Virginia was all-out. He traveled up and down the state—meeting thousands of voters, listening to their stories and speaking at large events and small gatherings. He shone a national spotlight on their plight and detailed a plan for economic recovery. He commended their strength in the face of adversity. He affirmed the separation of church and state. And on May 10, 1960, the people of an economically distressed, overwhelmingly Protestant, hardscrabble state in Appalachia put their trust in the elegant, young Catholic senator, who spoke in a Boston accent about a brighter future. He won their votes, and they won his heart.
The people of West Virginia—their kindness and fairness, their grit and determination and patriotism—made their mark on this young candidate and helped to shape the President he would become.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Exhibits/Past-Exhibits/Winning-West-Virginia.aspx

[pnwmom]

139. I think Bernie's and Hillary's successes in 2016 are what is relevant here.

And in this race, Hillary is the one who has connected better to very diverse populations, Bernie to very high white populations.

So, as I said, he's very likely to do well in West Virginia.

OTOH, at this point JFK was much closer to being able to win the overall race. With Bernie more than 3 million votes and 300 delegates ahead, it is all but impossible.

[Petrushka]

144. Another great link for my FB page. Wish I could find a photo taken a half-block from my home . . .

. . . when he campaigned at the old Sylvania Electric plant where my mom worked. Also: while
he was up at Sylvania, his brother Ted was campaigning for him on the factory floor at the Louis
Marx toy factory in Glendale, and his brother Robert was upstairs shaking hands and handing out
campaign literature to office workers. Yep! My boss helped all that to happen. In fact, he did an
interview for the John F. Kennedy Library & Museum. You can read it at the following link:

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKOH-AFC-01.aspx


P.S.
In those days, Louis Marx & Company, Glendale WV, was the world's largest toy factory. After it
was bought out by Quaker, it went all to hell and is no longer in existence.

[Petrushka]

117. --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1434164

[RiverNoord]

96. LOL

Yeah, that's a pipe dream. And, presumably, such a government initiative would not, itself, have reduced demand for coal.

But still, the town's behavior is absurd. The current state of the coal mining industry doesn't have anything to do with government initiatives. Gas has become a much cheaper source of fuel for generation of electricity, and American utilities are building very, very few new coal-fired electricity plants (and either refitting existing ones for gas or just retiring the old ones.)

China was, until very recently, on a coal-fired-plant building binge, but they're cutting back on the construction rate due to pollution and cheaper alternatives.

Go figure...

[Petrushka]

107. Yeah, you're probably right. It's absurd to those who judge other's behavior . . .

. . . without questioning the circumstances prompting that behavior.

"Go figure...." did you say? Maybe this will help? --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1433651

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1433675

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1433649

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1433645


Edited to add:

http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/34472619.html

http://wchstv.com/news/local/federal-judge-does-not-allow-victim-impact-statements-at-blankenships-sentencing

[Baobab]

82. Hillary wants to export LNG in TTIP "forever" making it much more expensive

which will help coal a lot because people will have to switch back to it.

Or freeze.

[pnwmom]

90. Hillary no longer supports the TTIP because the changes she was hoping for didn't happen. n/t

[Baobab]

99. The whole point of getting her in there is to pass - and give the illusion of legitimacy to them

These things are a hijacking of democracy. Democracy (as in she gets to decide) and they don't mix.

The fact is, these things are the product of an extreme level of corruption and they are making an effort to make them "look" legitimate to a casual external observer.

That's all it is, it isn't real. You notice how "Fast Track" got initiated, a process that was a trick, a complete sham.

[OwlinAZ]

83. Basically, it may be that the Clintons are so superior to everyone else. You know,....elites.

[turbinetree]

2. This is what this state supports...........................

http://www.plunderingappalachia.org/theissue.htm


Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Petrushka]

59. One of th' home-boys from West Virginia's northern panhandle endorses Bernie and . . .

. . . he's running for governor: Jeff Kessler, D.





http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017362153

[appalachiablue]

73. Thanks, missed the video. Go WV State Sen. Jeff Kessler (D) for Governor, Bernie Supporter!

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WV State Senator Jeff Kessler on why he's endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for president.

WV State Senator Jeff Kessler speaks to West Virginians about the coal industry, mining dangers, unions & more.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017362153

[Petrushka]

104. ^^ Yes! ^^

[appalachiablue]

108. HUNTINGTON, WV, BERNIE RALLY, April 26- CHRIS REGAN, Vice Chair, The West Virginia

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Democratic Party Who Endorsed Bernie Last Fall Spoke Along with State Senator JEFF KESSLER Who Introduced Bernie.



- BERNIE RALLY, HUNTINGTON, WV, April 26, Attended By 6,000 People -

HUNTINGTON, W.Va. (WSAZ), Ap. 26 -- Thousands packed the Big Sandy Superstore Arena in Huntington on Tuesday night to hear Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. During his one-hour speech, Sanders shared his talking points with the energetic crowd. "We are going to create an economy that protects the needs of our workers, our children, our seniors, our veterans -- all of the people of this country and not just the one (wealthiest) percent," Sanders said.
At one point the crowd chanted a variation of the "We are Marshall" cheer, replacing "Marshal" with "feeling the Bern."

Applause broke out when he talked about how he wants to implement free tuition at public colleges and universal healthcare. Sanders also talked about wanting to transform the energy system in America.
Sanders talked about how he wants to change the energy system in America and is opposed to fossil fuels because of climate change. It's a position that's not popular in coal mining communities in West Virginia, but Sanders says they won't leave those who lose their jobs behind. "We have a moral obligation to make certain that those people who may lose their jobs get new jobs," Sanders said.
Among those gathered was Suzanne Strait, who said Sanders has a different vision than the other candidates.
“I think he can do a lot, because a lot has been going on here has not been working and getting worse,” Strait said. “So we have to, as he says, think outside the box and try some of these new ideas he has to get people back to work.”
Sanders said in states with a high voter turnout, he wins.
http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/While-other-states-vote-Sanders-to-rally-in-West-Virginia-377119851.html
http://www.thetrailblazeronline.net/news/article_e8d80c98-0cc3-11e6-af38-1f62eef76820.html



"Republicans & Budget Catastrophes Like Peas and Carrots", by CHRISTOPHER J. REGAN, Charleston Gazette, Nov. 2015.
Republicans have been crowing about the record number of state legislatures they control lately. The right wing has full control of the statehouses in some 31 states, including West Virginia. Some commentators say this is A PERMANENT SHIFT TOWARD REPUBLICAN CONTROL OF AMERICA, while GOP flacks just brag about it. But they do a whole lot less bragging about how it is going in those states for working people. The reality on the ground is that state after state that allowed full control by Republicans saw budget catastrophes swiftly follow. Many states that fell under the magical thinking of right wing economics are so deeply in debt that they can no longer fund basic services, let alone make the investments necessary to compete in the 21st century. Take a Look around GOP-controlled America, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Kansas, *West Virginia." More:http://www.wvgazettemail.com/article/20151117/GZ04/151119580/1455

- CHRIS REGAN'S LETTER ENDORSING BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT, Jan. 30, 2016 Excerpt & Website. "The middle class is America’s heart and soul. The concerns of middle-class families, including health care, tuition, and a rising wage for honest work must be our focus in 2016, not just here in West Virginia, but across the country. We cannot afford leadership corrupted by corporate money any longer. I endorse Bernie Sanders’ message, his values, and his unparalleled commitment to taking our country back from the billionaire class. I endorse Bernie Sanders for President of the United States of America."- Chris Regan Website, http://www.homeyesterday.com/bernie-sanders-for-president/
Chris is Vice Chairman of the West Virginia Democratic Party, a Bernie for President Supporter and an attorney who practices law representing people in Ohio, West Virginia and PA. He lives on a farm outside Wheeling with his wife, daughter and 3 good dogs.
- CHRIS REGAN, Vice Chair and Bernie Supporter with Belinda Biafore, Chair, The West Virginia Democratic Party

[Petrushka]

110. Thank you so-o much! Gonna post to my FB page!

[appalachiablue]

115. That's super! Tomorrow, May 2, JEFF KESSLER is Giving a Gov. Campaign Speech, 7 PM ?

is the time I think, if you're interested. Look for it in the Video & Media Section.

[Petrushka]

122. Yes, I'm interested. I'll be watching for it.

The only news I get from "back home" is what comes through on my FB feed
from a couple ol' activist friends downstate plus TV stations and newspapers
in the northern panhandle . . . in addition to OVEC, Coal River, etc., etc.

Thank you for the heads-up!

[appalachiablue]

74. Sorry to say. Thanks for posting on destructive coal industry methods like mt.top removal :(

[Firebrand Gary]

3. WV's beloved Robert Byrd gave them tough love on coal.

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Hillary should go to Logan anyway, it's about the jobs of the future. She's not telling people what they want to hear, she's telling them what they need to hear.

[appalachiablue]

32. Not good. Could be rough there especially since it's clear they're not wanted. Believe it.

[byyiminy]

37. Meh. Let them come. Let them experience the WV love.

[tabasco]

61. Byrd. n/t

[Firebrand Gary]

62. Yes, you're correct. Will edit, thanks for the heads up the hot one!

[appalachiablue]

75. While you were editing you should have stated that HC will 'speak about ways to

improve their economy and lives by moving away from coal.' Saying "Telling them what they need to hear" is extremely patronizing and condescending and would be highly ineffective. You don't TELL people, least of all residents of that impoverished area what to do.
For more than 100 years West Virginians have been told by and exploited by their public officials, business barons and industrialist carpetbaggers from PA, Detroit, NY and elsewhere "what's good for THEM." And look at the results.

[Firebrand Gary]

76. What part about "job's of the future" did you not understand?

If anyone came across as patronizing and condescending it's you for what you wrote.

[appalachiablue]

77. What part of Telling Them What They Need to Know don't you want to recognize?

Bad attempt to try to turn around and project what I said. Condescend and patronize? don't think so. Logan is where I was born and raised, I know the issues and innovative approaches to diversify the economy like many other people in the state and region.

[George II]

5. This is funny. Will Sanders be equally prohibited from the town? He has been criticizing Clinton..

....for her stance on clean energy and coal, which to him essentially isn't good enough.

Amazing, this anti-Clinton "news" is big stuff. She has a policy to reduce the use of coal for energy, and it makes it to DU as a negative "LBN" post because a coal town doesn't like it.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

9. I imagine the Logan officials are solid Trump supporters

.

[bluestateguy]

22. And he is for a carbon tax

Hillary is not.

[Bangbangdem]

33. I thought it was pro clinton

I thought the author was pointing the dirty end of the stick at WV. People will always vote based on their economic situation. Look at the f-35. It is the worst scandal since the Bradley troop carrier debacle. An incredibly wasteful program. It employs at least 2000 people in Vermont. Bernie Sanders acknowledged that it is a complete mess, but he will never vote to defund it because it employs his constituents and brings loads of money into the state economy. Politics at its purest form. A community will always vote in its best fiscal interest, regardless of the overall consequence.

[riderinthestorm]

51. Hillary sells the F35 to the Saudis after they "donate" a few million to the Clinton Foundation

So you're outraged over 2000 US jobs v several million to the Clinton Foundation in a pay to play scheme with the corrupt Saudi regime in a weapons deal.

[Bangbangdem]

138. Um. No.

I'm not outraged. I was merely pointing out that communities vote in their own financial interest. Did you read my reply? I am a supporter of Bernie Sanders. I was trying to show that politicians will always act for the benefit of their constituents, when it comes to miney. That is their voting base. Grow up.

[djean111]

6. Oh, come on - Hillary is probably just saying that to appeal to a subset of voters.

Not that I don't think coal should be phased out, and new jobs created.

[leftofcool]

7. Then fuck em!

[AlbertCat]

10. Then fuck em!

Yeah... I bet that's just what Hillary said.


No seriously.


Her contempt for those who disagree with her is palpable.

Her supporters like to belittle those who don't agree with them. Just brush them off their shoulder... yawn and laugh at their concerns and questions.

[keylargo]

12. I suspect...

This little rant is nothing but an anti Hillary "OPINION" with little basis in fact...

[RiverNoord]

19. Um... you do realize that you just provided direct evidence in support of

his assertions, don't you?

I'm kind of amazed to have witnessed such an immediately self-proving hypothesis like that. Quite remarkable, really.

[AlbertCat]

86. I've already seen two "YAWN"s today in other posts on political matters.

The "LOL"s seem to have slackened off a little... tho the response to my "little rant" was really just a long "LOL".

[RiverNoord]

92. Sounds like firm evidence that you're doing something right :-)

I just got a 'yawn' from a truly pathetic asshole (and, I think I mentioned once to you how I seldom refer to people like that - this guy went way over the bar to qualify...).

He claimed that it was a 'fact' that, of college students who have attended Bernie Sanders rallies, around 10% had later voted in a Democratic primary or caucus. He claimed to be a 40-year veteran 'educator' (my friends who are teachers or professors call themselves teachers or professors, except on a really rare occasion when someone is deriding teachers). He ignored my request any sort of evidence, but... (really, you'll like this)

He then linked to a preview of an academic paper published in 1989, about the gap between Geraldine Ferarros' perception of support, in the run-up to the 1984 general election, based on perception of rally crowd size, compared to the general election outcome. Not only was it a really bad study, it was utterly irrelevant to the assertion of 'facts' he claimed it supported.

And he further claimed that it was a 'fact' that the 18-24 age demographic votes in much smaller numbers than they actually do (his figure was about half of actual), by using a 2010 Census Bureau chart showing reported voting during congressional elections. Literally, the chart omitted Presidential election years. When I pointed this out, and linked to a Census Bureau tally based on self-reporting regarding the 2008 election, estimating more than double the level of turnout among the demographic than all of the congressional election figures in his chart, he said something like 'you can say all you want about 2008, but...' (Of course, there is an across-the board, demographically, major increase in voting rates, during Presidential elections.)

So now I got the yawn, (and a link to a recent 'LA Weekly' article of a guy asserting that Bernie wouldn't win California because of historical low young voter turnout. He might be right, but it was, again, irrelevant.)

The worst part was that several people accepted his 'facts' and then made 'even so...' types of counter-arguments.

So, yup, I get it.

Have a better one

[ReRe]

25. Like a "letter...

...to the editor" on an op-ed page? That sounds about right. Remember what happened to ACORN? A Brightbart (sp?) set-up, and no one investigated and in one fell swoop, Congress put ACORN out of the non-profit business (of registering voters) in no time flat. Based on a set-up.

[sofa king]

11. Why don't they just burn down the town?

That's not in their best interests, either, and in both cases, sooner or later a Democrat is going to have to come along and clean up the mess.

[Petrushka]

53. Burning down a town in Logan County wouldn't be anything new.

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Mountaintop removal coal operators think nothing of making things
so miserable for residents, they're left with no alternative but to
sell their homes to the coal company for less than they can buy a
home elsewhere; and, after they move out, the school is boarded up,
and businesses go bankrupt, it's: "Bulldoze and torch it. Make way for
Big John."

When coal and mining rights were purchased two centuries ago for
pennies an acre, the men who mined the coal worked with a pick
and shovel. Today, there are humongous draglines such as Big John.;
but those moldy old coal severance deeds contain language that gives
today's coal operators more rights than the people who own and live
on the surface land. FWIW: Out-of-state land holding companies own
most of West Virginia's land mass under deeds that give them the right
to everything therein and thereon.

Coal has been King in West Virginia for what seems forever. Politicians,
unable or unwilling to make anything but promises, continue to kowtow
to those generous artificial entities, those corporate "persons" funding
election campaigns, while the people continue to believe more coal
mining is the answer to all the problems created by the coal industry and
irresponsible mining practices, a coal industry that employs fewer and
fewer miners to mine more and more coal. Anyway . . .



"...sooner or later a Democrat is going to have to come along and clean
up the mess," did you say?? Well, I like that kind of wishful thinking,
although I think it's too late. West Virginia's motto, "Mountaineers are always
free" has been interpreted by someone as meaning, "Hillbillies to the
highest bidder" and, despite its Democratic roots, West Virginia is so inured
to King Coal, it's turning from Blue to Red while King Coal just keeps flipping
that coin and calling the shots.




P.S.
Please forgive the long-winded rant. I'm in need of a long, long nap.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/10/republicans_are_turning_west_virginia_red_how_the_democrats_lost_control.html

[2naSalit]

63. +1

[appalachiablue]

78. The need for and number of miners has diminished for decades due to equipment

automation and explosive blasting methods as you know. Yet coal mining remains the primary source of employment, reinforced by the powers. So it's that or go to work for Walmart or Jeff Bezos at the Amazon call center in Htgn.

Along with the devious land leases and mining rights that companies and their lawyers swindled from formerly self sufficient property owners, the vast forests, lands, water and environment in the area have also been destroyed and contaminated by the profitable timber industry. That contributed to the devastation of the natural habitat for people and wildlife that is essential to survival. ~ Appreciate the post.

[Petrushka]

105. I read recently about Walmart stores closing in WV; so, those jobs will be gone too.

Thank you for your reply.

[hollowdweller]

95. Democrats have sorta cleaned up

Half the people in Logan Co are on Social Security disability. That's replace the mining jobs.

[Petrushka]

106. Some places are hardly heaven in West Virginia . . .

. . . but I still miss those hills and hollers where I spent the first 73 years of my life.

[JohnnyRingo]

13. Coal is killing itself

Big Coal doesn't need Hillary Clinton to end it's reign, it is not the resource of the future. Coal production is way down and hasn't bottomed out yet.

They can't blame any one politician for the world moving to greener technology like natural gas, solar and wind.

[greymouse]

14. what made them think they could use town facilities?

Oh, yeah, Clintons are entitled to everything.

[George II]

15. They rent town facilities.

[Chicago1980]

23. So you're making it about the town facilities,

and not about the fact that their issue is her stance on coal?

[leftofcool]

35. It's called renting! You do know what that is right?

[NYC Liberal]

36. The fact that they would be PAYING?

As campaigns do every single day all over the country?

[greymouse]

85. And where does it say renting in the article?

Of course, even if Hillary were allowed to rent, that doesn't, as we all know from her previous campaign, mean she'd actually pay the rent.

[bluestateguy]

16. Suit yourself.

The Clintons are not good people to make enemies with.

Should there ever be a tornado or natural disaster in the town, that might not work out real well for you if you need President Clinton to sign off on federal disaster aid.

[Chakab]

24. Denying federal disaster aid to people who don't support you politally is Republican-style

bullshit, and it's totally repugnant.

When you are an elected official, you represent all of your constituents. Even the ones who despise you.

[TM99]

34. So Hillary Clinton

should act like GW did with Katrina?

Well I guess you just confirmed that y'all think like Republicans and want her to act like one as well.

Be careful, your mask is slipping.

[Petrushka]

54. Are you talking about a disaster such as this one caused by "an act of God"?--->

http://loganwv.us/the-buffalo-creek-disaster/






I wonder if you're making Hillary proud, bluestateguy.

[bluestateguy]

58. I do hope everyody knows that I was just kiddig

That said, telling a presidential candidate that they are "not welcome" in your town is beyond the pale. Disagree with their policies all you want--and say so--but local politicians do not have the authority to prevent any candidate for any office from visiting.

[Petrushka]

65. When Logan County's Blair Mountain was placed on the National Registry of Historic Places . . .

. . . in 2009, there was more than a kerfuffle between coal miners and environmentalists.
Things settled down for a bit when the mountain, long overdue for mountaintop removal
mining, was taken off the Registry. Less than a month ago, Blair Mountain was reinstated
to the Registry. I imagine local officials down in Logan more than likely have enough problems
on their plate right now. Capische?

When it comes to coal miners (who nowadays make damned good wages), none of them relish
the thought of being a greeter at Walmart, West Virginia's largest private employer. Considering
how just about every newspaper and TV station in the State panders to Republicanism, you surely
don't think coal miners---or frackers, for that matter---would be willing to greet Hillary or any other
candidate with civility anymore . . . not when, for countless years, West Virginians have known what
it's like to be a third-world country. Politicians remember that State before elections, not after.

Many years ago, somebody asked, "You wanna see what's in America's future?" and made a prediction:
""As West Virginia goes, so goes the nation."





http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/14/soledad.blair.mountain/index.html

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20160411/court-vacates-blair-mountain-delisting-from-historic-places-registry

[SammyWinstonJack]

146. Sounds like someone to vote for...NOT!

[wisteria]

17. You would think they would want to here a positive message about their future,

But, no, they want to continue to push for a dying industry, and listen to politicians that promise them things they can't deliver. I hope the Clinton's come anyway.

[Angel Martin]

40. yeah sure !

Hillary tells the world she wants to kill an entire industry, and now she and her supporters are indignant that some little coal town in WV won't kiss her ass anyway ?

If Trump decided to kill all federal funding for higher ed, and then went to some college town and demanded they politely listen to a lecture on how they need to get with the future ...etc... I bet you could see what is wrong with that.

[Dustlawyer]

20. Hillary needs to make sure towns like this get the retraining for Green jobs.

Industries get replaced with technology better for our sustainability and that does cause displacement. The trick is to take care of the displaced by helping to get them placed again.

[JohnnyRingo]

47. I don't think they want that.

Perhaps the younger people who usually leave when they can would like that, but the predominately older citizens want someone to magically save coal from the slow death it's been experiencing for decades.

I'm sure many there see it as the end result of government strangulation, but their real enemy is technology and cheap gas. I live near there and the towns are kind of depressing to visit. Many burn their local resource, layering a sooty blanket over their generational impoverishment.

[Dustlawyer]

48. The refineries and chemical plants may be next, the sky is never dark here on cloudy nights

due their glow from thousands of lights.

[JohnnyRingo]

49. Well stated

Sounds like a drive along the Mighty Ohio south through East Palestine.

[Chicago1980]

21. Maybe they want another Don Blankenship in their midst.

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West Virginia is one of those taker 'welfare states' if I'm not mistaken.

Receiving more in federal monies than they pay.

[ReRe]

26. Change that "movies"...

... to "monies."

[Chicago1980]

39. Thanks.

That's what I meant.

[Angel Martin]

42. West Virginia is one of those taker 'welfare states' if I'm not mistaken.

Receiving more in federal monies than they pay.


Nice.

What are you going to say when Trump starts talking about groups of people the same way ?

[Chicago1980]

43. Doesn't he already?

I was referring to the state itself, not the people.

[Trust Buster]

27. Since Sanders ban on fracking will breathe new life into coal, they'll probably welcome him

with open arms.

[Baobab]

134. Hillary's LNG export will, and make heating and electricity unaffordable

irreversibly. LNG sells for 5 times in Asia what it does here.



So they want to drill and drill some more and export it until its gone.

Also, tear down older housing in cities and replace with new high rent condos. they need an excuse.

That's whats really driving Hillary's secret TTIP energy chapter push.

[RandySF]

28. Logan, West Virginia election results for 2012

Romney: 58%
Obama: 41%


https://apps.sos.wv.gov/elections/results/download.aspx?year=2012&eid=13

[Kalidurga]

30. They have a right to not want her there.

I don't think the right extends to saying she can't campaign there. So, she can either not go there or she can make a stink about it and go anyway.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

31. Her accent must need work.

[mdbl]

72. She can take lessons from George at the next big family Hoo Ha

[SammyWinstonJack]

147. Ha!

[SoapBox]

38. Maybe Slick needs to just get out his Bullhorn and

obstruct the Firehouse...

I can't imagine that the Clintons wouldn't just do what they want anyway.

[appalachiablue]

80. That idea isn't half bad, and would provide a good source of entertainment.

Loganites appreciate humor, for real.

[pnwmom]

121. He didn't have to. He gave his talk today, despite the effort of the Mayor. And two hundred

Hillary supporters turned out -- a huge number for such a small town.

[Democat]

129. "Slick"? You sound like Rush Limbaugh

Can't wait until DU bans all of the right wing trolls.

[PSPS]

41. DU needs a LBN-P forum.

[nolabels]

103. Wouldn't that be LBN-PBS

[Angel Martin]

44. this thread is just full of

coastal elite "Metropolitan Opera" gentry liberals, who are contemptuous of working people once they stop voting Democratic.

"fuck them"

"Coal is dying anyway"

"Punish the town by denying Federal funding in a disaster"

"West Virginia is a taker welfare state"


too many Democrats have these attitudes. And then the dopes on DU can't understand why the Repubs hand them their asses in election after election.

Trump for all his crudeness and ignorance, has less contempt for working people than a lot of "progressives" on DU.

I'm out.

[ronnie624]

87. You are very mistaken

if you think Donald Trump will make a better leader on issues that are most important to working-class Americans, or that the Republican party is a better alternative to the Democrats. History is conclusive on this. Think before you cast that vote.

[revmclaren]

101. Not a Democrat and supports Trump...

Oooops...outed yourself didn't you.

[Angel Martin]

125. my issues are

trade, illegal immigration, TBTF banks

Sanders was competitive on those issues, Clinton, not even close

hence "I'm out"

this is my last post except for administrative matters

i'd like to cancel or close my DU account but there doesn't seem to be a function for that...

[alarimer]

135. You're right; they have to address the loss of coal jobs much better than they have.

I certainly don't think we should let these people starve if they continue to want those coal industry jobs. We clearly have to do something else; coal is dirty (no such thing as "clean coal&quot and it really is the worst polluter when it comes to climate change and air quality.

But people in those communities are suffering. There are no other jobs that pay as well (and these don't pay all that well either). I can certainly understand their hostility to Democrats, most of whom live far away from these areas and don't give a damn about these communities.

[Feeling the Bern]

45. As much as I never liked the Clintons, this is bullshit. You can't ban people from your town

Assholes.

[olddad56]

64. it wouldn't happen it the United States, but the Republic or West Virginia is a different world.

[hughee99]

69. It sounds like the town has told them they're "not welcome" not that they are banned.

The town can't keep them from coming, but they don't have to allow usage of town facilities for campaign purposes.

[Jopin Klobe]

46. Yes, Donnie "DUCK!" tRump ...

... you have "it" ...

... if, by "it", you mean "sociopathy" ...

[Democratic Divo]

50. I'm confused.

Does a Bernie fan posting this link as an anti-Hillary piece now mean that Bernie is pro-coal? It's so hard to keep up.

[skylucy]

66. Democratic Divo--Thank you! I had to double check after reading the post and replies. Thought I

had accidentally logged onto a right wing, Republican redneck, anti environment website by mistake. Wow. This is a real education for me. I have always been a proud liberal Democrat and I am so disheartened to see this posted on a Dem website. I have been laughing at the GOP because they are tearing their own party to shreds and "eating their own". I do hope that Republican trolls are the ones posting this kind of stuff here. In any case, I certainly appreciate Hillary's pro-environment stance (even if it ticks off the coal industry).

[SunSeeker]

67. +1

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

118. hell, I posted it

and now you have me confused.

[northernsouthern]

52. Lol!

What would he have said if it was Bernie?

[Petrushka]

55. Maybe people remember what she told them in 2008 and they've heard enough Clinton balderdash--->

http://grist.org/article/trading-off-jobs-and-lives-for-the-economic-necessity-of-coal/



Edited to add:
Logan is mountaintop removal mining country.

[pnwmom]

112. None of your articles would support them liking Bernie more than Hillary

since he's just as much against coal for energy as she is.

[billhicks76]

56. Clinton and Bush

When Hawks Of A Feather Cause Genocide Together.

[Monk06]

60. There is no love stronger than that of a slave for his master West Virginia was a paradise before

the age of big steel and big coal

I guess W Virginians would be happy if all their mountain tops were ripped off and the rubble thrown in their valleys, polluting their rivers and creeks. The result would be one big rubble heap fit only for parking lots and strip malls

How fair would their towns be then?

[Aristus]

68. As if anyone with a brain would want to visit their putrid, dog-suck, slag-heap of a town.

This is what eating lead paint as a child can get you...

[LiberalAndProud]

70. The wonderful thing about reading comments on DU is

I no longer need wonder why Democrats have been tagged with the elitist label, among other unflattering descriptors. Rather than address people's concerns, which are real and tangible, with thought and care and compassion, I watch some of us dismiss people with contempt.

It doesn't speak well for the brand, and it won't change hearts and minds.


It is my hope that Hillary's campaign takes note. Before we undermine the sustaining industry of the state, we need to see to it that there are alternatives for WV residents in place and out front.

But fuck 'em. Let 'em starve because they don't welcome us with open arms. Right?

Good plan.

[appalachiablue]

79. Aren't you special. Btw, I was born and raised in Logan, and no,

eating lead paint didn't 'get me as a child' or anyone I know. Keep on demeaning and insulting the town and people because your candidate was turned away. And the noblesse oblige is so passe. 'Putrid, dog-suck, slag-heap of a town', wow, after the fact that Hill wanted to campaign there.

[BlueMTexpat]

71. Logan, WVA

is essentially a dying town, as are many of the small towns in WVA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan,_West_Virginia Because of rampant "state capture" by polluting industries, the "dying" in WVA is not merely figurative.

This is likely the only way that Logan could get any headlines.

Hillary doesn't need Logan at all, but Logan needs Dems badly and Hillary will most likely be the Dem-in-chief. As someone who is working for the votes of ALL US citizens, even those unlikely to vote for her now, she will likely still make an effort to go there.

If they'd only realize it, moving to green industries is their only way to survive. Mr BlueMTexpat, who is WVA-born, and I drove to WVA to visit Blackwater Falls State Park for the fall foliage, which is a sort of pilgrimage he likes to make as often as he can. On the way, we saw several wind power generators, more than I expected to see.

The change is coming - slowly and in tiny incremental steps - but it is beginning.

[dembotoz]

81. towns DO take a hit when a candidate stops in

arrangements must be made
facilities readied
overtime for law enforcement to be paid

so there is SOME justification....

[struggle4progress]

88. .

[Petrushka]

131. Thank you for the John Prine video . . . speaks for places all over coal country, coesn't it?

Here's a link to a movie in return:

[hollowdweller]

93. WHY THE HELL WOULD CLINTON APPEAR IN LOGAN???????????

Granted, Bill Clinton won here.....twice

However the Clintons are HATED here now due to the free trade passed during Bills term, and Hillary's anti coal and anti gun statements.

TONS of people are changing their reg so they can vote for Trump. Everybody else here is for Bernie because he seems honest and isn't for severe gun restrictions.

Clinton got a warm reception in So WV in 2008 because coal wasn't a huge issue and Obama was urban and black but if she came to Logan there would be more people outside protesting her visit than inside hearing her.

[pnwmom]

113. Bernie is anti-coal. Why should he be more welcome? At least she's trying to talk to them. n/t

[hollowdweller]

98. Protestors interrupt Clinton speech in Logan

LOGAN, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- Approximately 200 Hillary Clinton supporters gathered in Logan Middle School's cafetorium to see former President Bill Clinton speak on his wife's behalf.

Protesters made up of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters gathered outside the school.

Supporters at the rally tell WSAZ their main concern is the economy.

After his stop in Logan, President Clinton will head to Charleston where he will speak at the capitol rotunda. Doors open for that event at 1:45 p.m. Sunday.

Hillary Clinton is scheduled to be in Ashland, Ky and Williamson, W.Va on Monday. Details for those events have not been released yet.

Former President Bill Clinton drew boos and shouts from the crowd as he made a campaign stop in Logan, West Virginia, on his wife’s behalf, ahead of the state’s May 10 presidential primary.

Supporters of Democrat Bernie Sanders and Republican candidate Donald Trump gathered outside the school as Clinton spoke Sunday. According to WVNS-TV, a letter written on behalf of Logan officials told U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin’s staff in an email that Bill and Hillary Clinton “are simply not welcome in our town.”

What's amazing is he would have been greeted as a superstar 15 years ago. That's how little the Democratic Party has done for So WV in the last 15 years.

[pnwmom]

114. 200 Hillary supporters is a LOT for a tiny town like Logan. I'm impressed.

Funny that you'd place the emphasis on the handful of protestors.

[Petrushka]

132. There are a couple of brief video clips in the article I found at the following link.

The first video clip shows Bill Clinton being interrupted by protesters in Logan when he brought up
Hillary sending him to "...Native American reservations where those good people have nothing...."
because they don't have gambling . . . as if gambling is the answer to all economic problems.
Hell's fire! Doesn't he know West Virginia has gambling casinos and they haven't done one bit of good?

Good Lord!



http://freebeacon.com/politics/bill-clinton-met-with-confrontation-hostility-in-west-virginia/

[ileus]

100. In the end Hillary will have the last laugh once she's elected.

They'll come begging sooner rather than later...

[tirebiter]

102. Joe Kennedy paid the Unions to vote for Jack

It stopped Hubert Humphrey's more liberal march to the WH. Guess there's good corruption and there's bad corruption.

[NanceGreggs]

126. And millions of Democrats ...

... have told Bernie that he's not welcome to be their candidate.

[mercuryblues]

142. Sorrell Brooke

was fluent in 5 languages, held degrees from both Yale and Columbia and worked as a counterintelligence during the Korean war.

[Petrushka]

145. Hillary Clinton Denounces Unusual Protester: Donald Blankenship, Convicted Mine Executive

Interesting! Hillary is campaigning in Ohio despite the fact that Ohio's primary was held in March. Interesting, too, how, after being unwelcome in Logan WV, part of her campaign spiel was that Blankenship protested outside when she spoke in Mingo County.

In my opinion, trying to exploit the deaths of 29 miners killed in a Logan County mine run by Blankenship in hopes of winning converts in southeastern Ohio's coal country won't work for Hillary this early in her campaign for the general election against Trump . . . especially since the primary season isn't yet over.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/03/hillary-clinton-denounces-unusual-protester-donald-blankenship-convicted-mine-executive/

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/05/03/hillary-in-athens.html#

P.S.
Please note that, although the Ohio primary election took place in March, Hillary is already campaigning for the general election in Ohio. In ABC channel TV-6 news this evening, it was reported that Hillary said she wasn't going to be using campaign funds to run against Sanders in upcoming primaries; and, instead, will be using those funds to concentrate on winning against rump in November.