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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:12 AM May 2016

Bill Clinton draws boos from Sanders, Trump supporters in West Virginia

Source: AP, via KOLO 8

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former President Bill Clinton drew boos and shouts from the crowd as he made a campaign stop in Logan, West Virginia, on his wife's behalf, ahead of the state's May 10 presidential primary.

Supporters of Democrat Bernie Sanders and Republican candidate Donald Trump gathered outside the school as Clinton spoke Sunday. According to WVNS-TV, a letter written on behalf of Logan officials told U.S. Sen. Joe Manchin's staff in an email that Bill and Hillary Clinton "are simply not welcome in our town."

Hillary Clinton, who planned to campaign in Williamson on Monday, has been criticized for comments that her policies would put coal miners and companies out of business. Clinton said later she was mistaken and that she's committed to coalfield communities.

Bill Clinton planned to attend a rally later in Charleston.

Read more: http://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Bill-Clinton-draws-boos-from-Sanders-Trump-supporters-in-West-Virginia-377740931.html



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“I came here to tell you that I care about what you’re going through,” Bill Clinton told the crowd. “I get it.”

(...)

Bill Clinton also addressed the need to improve access to broadband Internet and efforts to eradicate the nation’s drug epidemic, which he said is prevalent in distressed areas. West Virginia has the nation’s highest rate of drug overdose deaths.

“I don’t think Hillary would come here to make you promises that we can’t keep,” he said. “We’re not leaving West Virginia behind. We’ve got to invest in this place. I know the price you have paid.”

Near the end of his speech, one man standing in the back of the room shouted, “We want work!”
Clinton responded, “We are not going to resolve this today. But we’d be a heck of a lot better off in this country if we have more meetings like this and less screaming and shouting. All I can tell you is if she wins, I will do every single solitary thing I can personally. I will do everything I can. I believe she’s got the best plan going forward.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/05/01/bill-clinton-booed-west-virginia/
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Bill Clinton draws boos from Sanders, Trump supporters in West Virginia (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 OP
And he drew applause from more than 200 Hillary supporters, a huge turnout for this tiny town. pnwmom May 2016 #1
and he dealt with hecklers like an adult Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #3
Sander's & Co have attempted to marginalize HRC supporters from the beginning. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #95
There was a public policy forum on rebuilding the American middle class with Bernie appalachiablue May 2016 #99
Don't make it so easy for us to do that. Keep Bill out of sight. nm floriduck May 2016 #104
Bill Clinton '..Native American Communities That Have Nothing, Because They Don't Have Gambling.' appalachiablue May 2016 #115
200 is a LARGE turnout Plucketeer May 2016 #96
Kind of like 12 million plus voters who turned out to vote for her? Firebrand Gary May 2016 #112
Indeed! Plucketeer May 2016 #122
Actually that's a myth that has been debunked realmirage May 2016 #128
Enjoy your president Trump Plucketeer May 2016 #132
(Hillary trolls) OwlinAZ May 2016 #139
Google it. Educate yourself AlbertCat May 2016 #147
Bill handles the hecklers with his usual style and class. No prob. nt BootinUp May 2016 #2
How Would Have Trump Handled The Hecklers? TomCADem May 2016 #4
Oh, there's a new standard now. Ever since GW had shoes thrown at him from the crowd, silvershadow May 2016 #15
You are just going to have to live with... FarPoint May 2016 #86
I was at the Charleston event later in the day Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #5
I haven't had the pleasure, but yeah that would be pretty neat. nt BootinUp May 2016 #6
It was pretty fucking awesome, I'll give you that. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #11
So did you get to shake his hand? pnwmom May 2016 #7
yep Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #9
. . . pnwmom May 2016 #10
Nice! Cha May 2016 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #69
He's always had that kind of magnetism OwlinAZ May 2016 #138
Snort! CentralCoaster May 2016 #8
You consider Bill Clinton as someone who has "class"? 2banon May 2016 #13
You probably cheered the Star investigation on too! BootinUp May 2016 #16
No as a matter of fact I found Kenneth Starr to be a revolting individual and the investigation to 2banon May 2016 #22
I care more about how he did the job, and most Americans agree according to BootinUp May 2016 #26
Wasn't a big fan of his policies, learning along the way why he gave it up for Neo Conservatives 2banon May 2016 #46
As a young person I saw 5 out of 6 elections go to the pukes BootinUp May 2016 #49
It was a thrilling moment for me when Bill Clinton managed to win in '92 after 12 LONG YEARS 2banon May 2016 #54
I remember. I remember the same. BootinUp May 2016 #61
No. It's not. MisterFred May 2016 #65
I am sorry but there has been a definite change that can be measured BootinUp May 2016 #66
Yeah, post Bush-II MisterFred May 2016 #100
But the Reagan era is over now. AlbertCat May 2016 #148
The classiest greasy salesman I know! Helen Borg May 2016 #71
Why don't you leave the "not" our of your last sig line and I think we can finally Loki May 2016 #103
Style and class?!? chervilant May 2016 #14
Get over it Gman May 2016 #18
at the rate they're going, I expect Bernie or Bust folks to recycle Vince Foster conspiracy theories Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #28
They already have been, on DU and elsewhere. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #57
Link to Sander's supporters on DU bringing up Vince Foster kplzthx? frylock May 2016 #108
Nobody talks about Vince Foster aside from Hillary Supporter. frylock May 2016 #107
who has brought up Vince Foster? OwlinAZ May 2016 #140
The jock sniffer brigade strikes again! nilesobek May 2016 #40
+100000000000 + Thank you! Cha May 2016 #76
Banging an intern in the Oval Office is the antithesis of class. frylock May 2016 #109
Take that crap somewhere else Gman May 2016 #123
Oh, you want to talk about real issues now? frylock May 2016 #124
Yeah well if Sanders is obsessed with people's sex lives Gman May 2016 #125
I don't see Sanders as being obsessed by anyone's sex life. frylock May 2016 #126
Between consenting adults Gman May 2016 #131
And I used to respect Sanders. frylock May 2016 #133
and no one in DU has EVER MFM008 May 2016 #29
Not in the Oval Office. If this 840high May 2016 #42
Probably not MyNameGoesHere May 2016 #45
Maybe so. DU would be - I see 840high May 2016 #47
840, you just don't get it. Liberals aren't obsessed with what goes on in the bedroom. Nitram May 2016 #87
This didn't take place in the bedroom. frylock May 2016 #110
Very amusing, frylock. And very literal of you. Nitram May 2016 #141
"in the Oval Office", "in the workplace" frylock May 2016 #142
The president's workplace just happens to be his home. Nitram May 2016 #143
The President's workplace is his workplace. frylock May 2016 #144
Thanks for the honesty. Now we know it's just a private vendetta. Nitram May 2016 #145
I changed my Sensible Woodchuck avatar in favor of Eeyore.. frylock May 2016 #146
Um, are you aware of Sanders’s private life? SunSeeker May 2016 #56
Many Sanders supporters probably aren't aware of this little-known fact Zorro May 2016 #92
Was that child conceived in the workplace, and was Sanders unfaithful to his wife? frylock May 2016 #111
Which wife? Sanders has had two. Who knows where the child was "conceived." SunSeeker May 2016 #114
Was Sanders unfaithful to his wife? frylock May 2016 #117
The Clintons are very used to this line of attack. It has not worked against them. SunSeeker May 2016 #118
I guess you weren't around for FDR, Kennedy, Johnson and others? nt Jitter65 May 2016 #64
Very unlike how he handled being heckled by Black Lives Matter activists. Scootaloo May 2016 #79
Hillary and New hires for Internet Commenting McKim May 2016 #12
We finally beat them back here, with the rules. I think. For now. We are still in a primary silvershadow May 2016 #17
Bernie employs a large army of trolls jmowreader May 2016 #20
Please link to that story. eom zalinda May 2016 #89
The Internet CobaltBlue May 2016 #21
Sorry, chief. I've been posting here for 15 years or so Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #23
I was going to 2naSalit May 2016 #36
Jury results pintobean May 2016 #83
OMG! Skittles May 2016 #34
I had to laugh about the Clinton astroturfers, because it meant the Hill supporters JimDandy May 2016 #44
this over-the-top Hillary Hysteria is downright embarrassing Skittles May 2016 #48
I agree with you, I mean having to hire Brock to do your dirty work is embarassing. Katashi_itto May 2016 #80
It pays well JustAnotherGen May 2016 #72
You got it made, Gen!.. I missed out on all the bucks.. Cha May 2016 #73
Yeah - but me . . . JustAnotherGen May 2016 #84
LOLOLOLOLOLO Cha May 2016 #85
We're everywhere! Lisa D May 2016 #82
And just who the fuck are *you* working for? Blue_Tires May 2016 #135
Did Slick have his Bullhorn along? SoapBox May 2016 #19
Has Bill Clinton never been booed or protested before now? Yes he has, recently appalachiablue May 2016 #24
Things got ugly in 2008 Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #30
1992, here he is laying into an AIDS activist who has a couple of months to live: Bluenorthwest May 2016 #91
So which is it Hillary, you are for fossil fuels like coal, or you're for bringing CO2 levels down? YOHABLO May 2016 #25
He has played the "I feel your pain" schtick one too many times. nt thereismore May 2016 #27
So what's your solution then? Go back to unrestricted mountaintop removal? Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #31
Not taking the bait. My comment was about Bill's platitudes. nt thereismore May 2016 #32
Yes, GOD FORBID we should force you to discuss the issues! SunSeeker May 2016 #60
They both feel our pain. 840high May 2016 #43
There's a reason they called him "Slick Willie". alarimer May 2016 #90
nice of them to get along so well Skittles May 2016 #33
He was booed by people who are supporters of his wife's opponents. Beacool May 2016 #35
a better name for them: TROLLS ericson00 May 2016 #38
And 200 people turned out to support Hillary. In a town of less than 1800, pnwmom May 2016 #59
Good point. Beacool May 2016 #127
I don't expect anything 2naSalit May 2016 #37
Respect is earned. Maedhros May 2016 #129
Clinton propose anything like this? elleng May 2016 #39
Yes, she has. pnwmom May 2016 #50
Let it go, elleng. O'Malley is no longer running. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #62
No kidding! elleng May 2016 #63
Funny how the good ideas are shut down with the candidate. peace13 May 2016 #77
The voters shut down O'Malley, not me. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #113
The point is that a good idea should still be considered even if the candidate is out. peace13 May 2016 #119
No one is stopping you from discussing good ideas. SunSeeker May 2016 #120
I asked, and was answered. elleng May 2016 #137
Thanks, peace13. elleng May 2016 #136
Maybe next time he'll think before he blames millennials for all the probs in the world. jillan May 2016 #41
He drew 200 Hillary supporters in that tiny town -- an excellent turnout pnwmom May 2016 #51
Bill got booed? NanceGreggs May 2016 #52
And he got a standing ovation, too. But no one here wants to report that. n/t pnwmom May 2016 #55
Yes, I know ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #58
The Clintons will dig the hole deeper with more disasterous trade agreements. Skwmom May 2016 #53
what, no polling places to interfere with? greymouse May 2016 #67
Nah rpannier May 2016 #75
If these were truly SBS and Trump "supporters" BlueMTexpat May 2016 #68
The man shut down a polling place that he wasn't even a voter at. peace13 May 2016 #81
Of course Bernie is dividing the Democratic Party. Maedhros May 2016 #130
Shut up and stop cheating, Bill! Helen Borg May 2016 #70
The bad behavior of Sanders's supporters is a given. Buzz Clik May 2016 #78
that's just amusing OwlinAZ May 2016 #94
Who's running? A Simple Game May 2016 #88
So typical of the two, I and We, and cause for concern. Double dose. appalachiablue May 2016 #97
Two peas in a pod? Darb May 2016 #93
That sounds about right Cryptoad May 2016 #98
Correct me if I'm wrong... liberalnarb May 2016 #101
Noes the time for Hillary to back-track CanadaexPat May 2016 #102
Sounds like Bill wants to be president...again...nt freebrew May 2016 #105
He feels their Bain. merrily May 2016 #106
Bill Clinton doesn't mind engaging in dialogue with hecklers...n/t. Deuce May 2016 #116
Any politician who believes in climate change is going to be unpopular in coal- and oil-producing pampango May 2016 #121
Locking tammywammy May 2016 #134

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
1. And he drew applause from more than 200 Hillary supporters, a huge turnout for this tiny town.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:14 AM
May 2016

(WSAZ) -- Approximately 200 Hillary Clinton supporters gathered in Logan Middle School's cafetorium to see former President Bill Clinton ...

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Bill-Clinton-stop-in-Logan-met-with-protesters-377736191.html

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
3. and he dealt with hecklers like an adult
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

unlike Der Trumpenfuhrer, who would tell his crowds to punch them in the face.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
99. There was a public policy forum on rebuilding the American middle class with Bernie
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

and another Dem. Congressman as main speakers that I attended last year in early June, a few weeks after Bernie's campaign kickoff. Outside the building for the forum event that night was a group of around 30-40 people holding signs and chanting, mostly young women. At the time I thought it odd but didn't pay much attention because we were rushing to get inside. As my colleague soon said and we confirmed two hours later when departing and saw some of them still out there, they were Hillary supporters. Premature, overeager and johnny on the spot at a long scheduled, non campaign event, even then, at the very beginning.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
122. Indeed!
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

And just IMAGINE how minescule that 12 Mil would've looked if Independents (AND Republicans!) could have cast a vote for Bernie. You know - the way they'd be able to LANDSLIDE Bernie into office in the General Election. But what's a few votes against Trump, eh?

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
128. Actually that's a myth that has been debunked
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

a thousand times already. Google it. Educate yourself

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
4. How Would Have Trump Handled The Hecklers?
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:18 AM
May 2016

If it was Rick Scott, he would have run a commercial just to pick on any person who dared to speak up.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
15. Oh, there's a new standard now. Ever since GW had shoes thrown at him from the crowd,
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

he can pretend it wasn't indicative of how far the mask has come off.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
5. I was at the Charleston event later in the day
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

Crowd loved him, and he hung around forever afterward to chat, shake hands and take pictures with anyone who wanted.
I'm not easily starstruck, but it's pretty surreal to meet him.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
11. It was pretty fucking awesome, I'll give you that.
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:36 AM
May 2016

Had the chance to shake his hand at a rally.

Meeting a president--any president I've respected--is a huge thrill.

Meeting Carter or Obama would be just the same, but yeah....meeting Bill was pretty damn cool.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. So did you get to shake his hand?
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:21 AM
May 2016

I'm jealous. Living in a big city in a small state with few delegates, we don't get those opportunities.

Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #5)

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
13. You consider Bill Clinton as someone who has "class"?
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

In my view, Clinton is the antithesis of someone who possesses "class".


BootinUp

(47,156 posts)
16. You probably cheered the Star investigation on too!
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:42 AM
May 2016

I don't think Bill's sex life is my business, and he served his country very well as President for 2 terms. Any more snide comments from the peanut gallery?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
22. No as a matter of fact I found Kenneth Starr to be a revolting individual and the investigation to
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

be disgusting. I found the impeachment trials to be shocking and outrageous.

I also found Bill to be disgusting. And at the point when all of this was going down, added up to all of the other sexual abuse accusations, yeah I found him beyond disgusting, something of a misogynist, and a sociopath. At the time, I was stunned Hillary didn't dump his ass out in the street where it belonged.

But now I understand why she stood by her man. I don't want him anywhere near the White House, I don't want to endure the political outcome of repeat of all that shite again.

BootinUp

(47,156 posts)
26. I care more about how he did the job, and most Americans agree according to
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

his popularity. I guess people understand he is a human and had his personal life intruded on and they thought that was wrong too.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
46. Wasn't a big fan of his policies, learning along the way why he gave it up for Neo Conservatives
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:22 AM
May 2016

That's what the Third Way was all about, which is at the core of the policy issues we're in wide disagreement over.

BootinUp

(47,156 posts)
49. As a young person I saw 5 out of 6 elections go to the pukes
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016

I can't imagine where we would be if it had been 7 out of 8. Clinton won and twice by finding out what people wanted and giving them a Democratic platform they could get behind. If you think I didn't cringe over some of the tough battles that were lost or compromised on you don't understand where I am coming from and where I think we should be going.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
54. It was a thrilling moment for me when Bill Clinton managed to win in '92 after 12 LONG YEARS
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:44 AM
May 2016

of Republican Rule, and attacks on Liberals (which at the time I considered myself) with tired smarmy tropes like "bleeding heart Liberals" always being bandied about by pundits round table debates, only for the Liberal Rep to be mealy mouthed in defense of Liberalism.

I hadn't realized until much later in his Presidency, that Democratic establishment intended to make sure the Repukes no longer had a legitimate reason to use that trope against us with their intellectually dishonest and reactionary bullshit. That's one accomplishment among several other policy items they can brag about among themselves, but apparently still feel compelled to pretend otherwise in campaigns for our votes.

Have you noticed we never hear "Bleeding Heart Liberals" anymore? I used to take that as a badge of honor, but the repukes don't make that claim anymore and haven't since the Clinton Administration. There's a reason for that.

MisterFred

(525 posts)
65. No. It's not.
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:42 AM
May 2016

Bill Clinton set the Reagan era in stone, and ensured conservative dominance for two decades. Clinton's policies were Reagan-lite. See: welfare reform. See: criminal justice bill.

BootinUp

(47,156 posts)
66. I am sorry but there has been a definite change that can be measured
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:56 AM
May 2016

in various ways, and showing a leftward shift post Shrub/Bush II. For example a significantly higher percentage of Democrats now self identify as liberal. Attitudes on tax policy indicate acceptance of higher tax rates, I was just scanning this article, think it was in Washington Post or maybe 538. Also opinions on whether regulation of business is necessary are more favorable. Anyways, perhaps the end of the era means something different to you, but to me it means Reagans pitch no longer will sell like before.

You are one of those folks who would rather Bush I had 2 terms and then Dole I guess. Fuck, that would have been so much better. I tire of having this argument though so consider this my parting word.

MisterFred

(525 posts)
100. Yeah, post Bush-II
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

That's what I was talking about. Clinton and Bush II allowed Reagan's economic policy and in a lot of ways his social policy, especially trade and deregulation to remain in place after Reagan. AS YOU SAID: it wasn't until twenty years after Reagan that we achieved a leftward shift post Bush-II. That certainly wasn't Clinton's doing. It was Bush II's overreach and the bravery of people like homosexuals who outed themselves and managed to change society's opinion on gay marriage, etc. (Completely without help from the sanctity-of-marriage Clintons, you'll recall).

I firmly believe a liberal could have been elected instead of Clinton (Perot - it's not Clinton's elections were two-way races). And that could have improved the country sooner - without baking in decades of conservative policy that still rules Washington in many ways (see: Hillary's position on trade deals; see: Obama's continuing support of faith-based initiatives despite the first amendment).

I don't think Bush I should have had two terms - I'm just not so beaten down, like you, that I think the more conservative the Democrat is the better the chance they have of winning.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
148. But the Reagan era is over now.
Tue May 3, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

Obama admires him!


And even Hillary is still advocating some kind of trickle down Reaganomics baloney.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
103. Why don't you leave the "not" our of your last sig line and I think we can finally
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

agree on something.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
28. at the rate they're going, I expect Bernie or Bust folks to recycle Vince Foster conspiracy theories
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016

I backed Sen. Sanders, but, at this point, it's clear he's not going to be the nominee.
Would I have preferred it? Yes. But there's a choice in the fall between two outcomes, and the PUMA-esque behavior is doing no one any favors.
It's time to just call out these people spouting rightwing talking points for what they are: Trump supporters.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
123. Take that crap somewhere else
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

Nobody here cares. Talk about real issues. Not BS nobody cares about.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
124. Oh, you want to talk about real issues now?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

This is just the beginning. Good luck turning the GE into a referendum against Trump bro.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
125. Yeah well if Sanders is obsessed with people's sex lives
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

What's moral according to him and his supporters, I don't want anything to do with the man.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
126. I don't see Sanders as being obsessed by anyone's sex life.
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:59 PM
May 2016

In fact, I don't see Sanders talking about it all. I do see people discussing an unfortunate incident that happened in the workplace though.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
131. Between consenting adults
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

This obsession with sex by Sanders and his supporters disqualifies him from being president. I had no idea. And I used to respect Sanders. Not anymore. This makes him a lot like Ted Cruz. Or even Hucksbee.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
42. Not in the Oval Office. If this
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:10 AM
May 2016

had been a republican president - you'd be screaming your head off.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
87. 840, you just don't get it. Liberals aren't obsessed with what goes on in the bedroom.
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

But you've got good company in the GOP for your proclivities.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
141. Very amusing, frylock. And very literal of you.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

for your edification, I'll take the time to teach you the meaning of "in the bedroom" in the context. It means, "behind closed doors", "in private."

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
143. The president's workplace just happens to be his home.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

I guess I just don't obsess about other people's sex habits the way you clearly do. But, hey, different strokes for different folks. Whatever rocks your boa t...

frylock

(34,825 posts)
144. The President's workplace is his workplace.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

I spent a couple decades defending Bullhorn Billy on this front till he likened me to the Tea Party. I now feel an obligation to fulfill that role.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
145. Thanks for the honesty. Now we know it's just a private vendetta.
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

Eeyore is the perfect avatar for the bitter road you walk. My condolences.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
146. I changed my Sensible Woodchuck avatar in favor of Eeyore..
Tue May 3, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

as a tip of the hat to the "No We Can't!" campaign. Yeah, my private vendetta is ridding ourselves of the Clintons for good.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
56. Um, are you aware of Sanders’s private life?
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:45 AM
May 2016

That his only biological child was born out of wedlock to a young woman Sanders never married? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927

This is the problem with having a holier than thou attitude. You always end up looking like a hypocrite.

Zorro

(15,740 posts)
92. Many Sanders supporters probably aren't aware of this little-known fact
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:00 AM
May 2016

Trump would certainly make it well known if Bernie became the nominee.

Chew on that, Bros.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
114. Which wife? Sanders has had two. Who knows where the child was "conceived."
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

And the woman he conceived the child with was not either of the two women he did marry.

Me personnally, I don't give a shit what goes on between two consenting adults. You are the one who seems so concerned about adultery.

SunSeeker

(51,564 posts)
118. The Clintons are very used to this line of attack. It has not worked against them.
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

Sanders, on the other hand, is totally untested when it comes to that level of attack.

And Bill never fathered a child out of wedlock. Nor is he running. Hillary is. And Hillary has been faithful and exceedingly loyal to her marriage...and has had no children out of wedlock.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
12. Hillary and New hires for Internet Commenting
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

The Clinton campaign has hired a small army of bloggers to go all over the net to defend her and promote her. They are everywhere.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
17. We finally beat them back here, with the rules. I think. For now. We are still in a primary
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

and, in fact, headed toward convention without a nominee that I can see in sight...

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
20. Bernie employs a large army of trolls
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:56 AM
May 2016

Would you like to explain how Bernie Sanders' $16 million to Revolution Messaging to coordinate a large and vicious online troll campaign makes him morally superior to anyone in any way?

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
21. The Internet
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:01 AM
May 2016

Where everything is not ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, MSNBC, CNBC, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, CNN, Headline News….

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
83. Jury results
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:47 AM
May 2016

On Mon May 2, 2016, 12:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sorry, chief. I've been posting here for 15 years or so
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1434234

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attacks Calling someone a "conspiracy boy"?

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Explanation: I was on the fence on this one but decided that conspiracy BOY crosses the line.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
44. I had to laugh about the Clinton astroturfers, because it meant the Hill supporters
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:14 AM
May 2016

on DU were doing such a poor job of defending her that Brock instead had to hire, train and pay people to do it. And this after the DU Hillarians even set up a separate website solely to strategize on promoting Clinton. Too funny!

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
72. It pays well
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:05 AM
May 2016

She paid me to join in 2007 and I get $500 per post at DU. It's quite a bit less on yahoo. I was paid to be a sleeper poster but she told me first hand to post my support for John Edwards then in 2016 - Martin O'Malley. I also got paid to protest a Trump rally in California last week. I didn't go - but I took the money anyways.





ETA - it's the God's Honest Truth. On My mother's grave - even though she's still alive.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
73. You got it made, Gen!.. I missed out on all the bucks..
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016


They're making up dribble out of thin air. lol

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
24. Has Bill Clinton never been booed or protested before now? Yes he has, recently
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

in Philadelphia at a HC Rally where members of the audience objected to the Clintons Welfare and Crime Bill policies.
Logan is a very small town of 1,600 people in a poor area in economic decline connected to the dwindling coal industry for years. Why this is such a big issue I don't understand.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
91. 1992, here he is laying into an AIDS activist who has a couple of months to live:
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016


This is back in the day when Hillary Claims Ron and Nancy Reagan had started the AIDS discussion gay people just refused to have....
"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
25. So which is it Hillary, you are for fossil fuels like coal, or you're for bringing CO2 levels down?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

You can't be both

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
31. So what's your solution then? Go back to unrestricted mountaintop removal?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:15 AM
May 2016

Take the curbs off CO2 emissions?

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
90. There's a reason they called him "Slick Willie".
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:35 AM
May 2016

That "I feel your pain" was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. He talked a good game, while selling out the poor to his corporate overlords. He is also one of the most classless individuals to ever disgrace the oval office. Selling out the Lincoln Bedroom to donors, selling access for donations. And the fact he couldn't keep it in his pants was just icing on a very disgusting cake.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
59. And 200 people turned out to support Hillary. In a town of less than 1800,
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:48 AM
May 2016

that would be equivalent to 75,000 showing up in Seattle to support Bernie.

2naSalit

(86,643 posts)
37. I don't expect anything
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016

closely or even remotely resembling respect or civility from BS and Trollump supporters. They just can't do it since they don't know how.

elleng

(130,956 posts)
39. Clinton propose anything like this?
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:42 AM
May 2016

INCENTIVIZE THE PRODUCTION OF CLEAN ENERGY, NOT FOSSIL FUELS.
End fossil fuel subsidies, and reinvest the savings in a long-term extension of the Production Tax Credit and Investment Tax Credit. These credits are critical to a healthy wind industry, and make rooftop solar installations affordable for homeowners and businesses. Yet Congress regularly lets the credits expire, leading to a boom-bust cycle of development that hurts job creation and investment.

SUPPORT RURAL CLEAN ENERGY FINANCE.
Launch a Clean Energy Finance Authority, and direct it to support community wind and solar projects. This should include working with rural electric cooperatives so they can affordably install renewable energy generation – from investing in Clean Renewable Energy Bonds, to supporting partnerships so co-ops can take advantage of renewable energy tax credits.
Redouble USDA’s Rural Energy for America Program, which provides grants and loan guarantees to agricultural producers and rural small businesses, to help purchase renewable energy systems and make energy efficiency improvements.

PROVIDE A STRONG MARKET FOR BIOFUELS.
Enact a long-term extension of the Biodiesel Tax Credit, including production incentives for second-generation biofuels, while investing in renewable fuel infrastructure to support biofuels and electric cars.
Maintain a strong market for biofuels, by directing the EPA to set annual volume targets that comply fully with the Renewable Fuel Standard. High targets drive new investments in biofuel innovation and infrastructure, creating jobs and tearing down barriers to using renewable fuels.

TRAIN WORKERS TO JOIN GROWING CLEAN ENERGY INDUSTRIES.
Create a new Clean Energy Jobs Corps to partner with communities to build clean energy infrastructure, retrofit buildings to be more energy efficient, and expand our fields and forests so they can absorb more greenhouse gases.
Partner with industry to help meet skills and employment needs in renewable energy production, construction, and manufacturing. Launch a national initiative for career and technical education, starting in high school, to develop a pipeline of workers for the new clean energy economy.

MODERNIZE OUR ELECTRIC GRID TO SUPPORT LOCALIZED, RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.
Prioritize modernizing our electric grid, to support localized, renewable energy generation – and better connect existing wind generation to the consumers who need it.


https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/

Not likely West Virginians will appreciate her.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
50. Yes, she has.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:34 AM
May 2016

hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate

Climate change is an urgent threat and a defining challenge of our time—and Hillary Clinton has a plan to tackle it by making America the world’s clean energy superpower, taking bold steps to slash carbon pollution at home and around the world, and ensuring no Americans are left out or left behind as we rapidly build a clean energy economy.

SNIP

Hillary’s plan is designed to deliver on the pledge President Obama made at the Paris climate conference last December—without relying on climate deniers in Congress to pass new legislation. Her plan will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 30 percent in 2025 relative to 2005 levels and put the country on a path to cut emissions more than 80 percent by 2050. Her approach will catalyze new investment and economic opportunity across the country, create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, reduce energy bills and save families money, make our country more secure, and protect our families and communities from pollution.

As president, Hillary will:

Defend, implement, and extend smart pollution and efficiency standards, including the Clean Power Plan, which will prevent 3,600 premature deaths and 90,000 asthma attacks annually, and efficiency standards for cars, trucks and appliances that are already reducing energy costs for American households and businesses by over $75 billion per year.

Launch a $60 billion Clean Energy Challenge to partner with states, cities, and rural communities and give them the tools and resources they need to go beyond federal standards in cutting carbon pollution and expanding clean energy. The Clean Energy Challenge will also help ensure all Americans share in the benefits of a clean energy economy by encouraging solar and energy efficiency investments in low-income communities.

Invest in clean energy infrastructure, innovation, manufacturing and workforce development to make the U.S. economy more competitive and create good paying jobs and careers. Hillary has a comprehensive plan for making existing energy infrastructure cleaner and safer, unlocking new investment, and forging a climate compact with Canada and Mexico to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and accelerate clean energy deployment across the continent.
Ensure safe and responsible energy production. As we transition to a clean energy economy, we must ensure that the fossil fuel production taking place today is safe and responsible and that areas too sensitive for energy production are taken off the table. Hillary knows there are some places where we should keep fossil fuels in the ground or under the ocean.

Reform leasing on public lands. As president, Hillary would reform fossil fuel leasing and significantly expand clean energy production on public lands, from wind in Wyoming to solar in Nevada.

End wasteful tax subsidies for oil and gas companies. Oil and gas companies have enjoyed billions in tax breaks for decades. Hillary would end those wasteful subsidies and invest in clean energy.

Cut methane emissions across the economy. Hillary would cut emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40-45 percent and put in place strong standards for reducing leaks from both new and existing sources.

Revitalize coal communities. Building a 21st century clean energy economy will create new jobs and industries, protect public health, and reduce carbon pollution. But we can’t ignore the impact this transition is already having on coal communities. Hillary’s $30 billion plan to revitalize coal communities will ensure coal miners, power plant operators, transportation workers, and their families get the respect they deserve and the benefits they have earned; invest in economic diversification and job creation; and make coal communities an engine of US economic growth in the 21st century, as they have been for generations.

Make environmental justice and climate justice central priorities. Across America, air pollution, water pollution, and toxic sites are disproportionately impacting low-income communities and communities of color—and climate change will make that impact even more severe. Hillary will set a bold national goal to eliminate lead poisoning as a public health risk within five years, create new economic opportunity by cleaning up the more than 450,000 toxic brownfield sites across the country, expand solar and energy efficiency solutions in low-income communities, and include the voices of community leaders, the environmental justice movement, and outside experts in taking on these challenges with a new Environmental and Climate Justice Task Force.

“Every child and every family in America deserves clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and a safe and healthy place to live. This a justice issue. It’s a civil rights issue. And as president, it will be a national priority for us.”
HILLARY, APRIL 13, 2016

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
119. The point is that a good idea should still be considered even if the candidate is out.
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

Shooting down a good idea because it isn't 'your' candidates idea is counter intuitive. Good ideas are just that.

elleng

(130,956 posts)
137. I asked, and was answered.
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:47 AM
May 2016

Big problems for WVa, and today HRC came back with something:

Hillary to WV: WAIT! I DIDN'T MEAN I'LL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS... I only meant I'd do it nicely...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-saying-shed-put-coal-out-of-business/

This is the quintessential reason Hillary is not trusted. You cannot say on one day of your campaign that you'd put the coal industry "out of business" and then turn around the next day after you pissed off everyone this impacts and say you didn't mean it. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU MEANT!

WILLIAMSON, W.V. Hillary Clinton apologized on Monday for saying she would put coal miners and companies "out of business" as president, calling her comment a "misstatement."

"What I said was totally out of context from what I meant," Clinton said. "It was a misstatement, because what I was saying is that the way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs."

Clinton said during a town hall on CNN in March that she is the "only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country."

"We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," she said. Clinton went on to say that, under her plan to shift the country away from fossil fuels, coal miners would not be forgotten.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511886804

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
51. He drew 200 Hillary supporters in that tiny town -- an excellent turnout
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:41 AM
May 2016

in a town of less than 1800 people. This would be similar to 75,000 people turning out in Seattle.

And he handled the few hecklers in the doorway very well, with the audience rising to applaud him.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
52. Bill got booed?
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:42 AM
May 2016

That's terrible!

Exactly how many votes/delegates will be subtracted from Hillary's total as a result of this occurrence?

greymouse

(872 posts)
67. what, no polling places to interfere with?
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:33 AM
May 2016

Clinton must be saving that for Tuesday.

I see Camp Weathervane has changed its mind yet again.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
75. Nah
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:25 AM
May 2016

As usual they just ran a poll and decided
I'd have booed as well

If it had been Trump speaking, I'd have thrown something

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
68. If these were truly SBS and Trump "supporters"
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:37 AM
May 2016

who were doing the booing, it tends to show that they are two sides of the same coin, at the very least. If I weren't already a staunch Hillary supporter, this alone would make me think VERY hard about what Bernie is doing to divide the Dem Party.

And when he actually says words like these, my suspicions are confirmed.

“It is virtually impossible for Hillary Clinton to reach a majority of convention delegates by June 14, which is the last day a primary will be held, with pledged delegates alone,” he added. “She will need superdelegates to take her over the top at the convention in Philadelphia.

“In other words the convention will be a contested contest.”


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/01/bernie-sanders-contested-convention-hillary-clinton-delegates

There is no - repeat NO - requirement that Hillary have a count of pledged delegates that exceeds the majority required. A majority including pledged delegates and SDs in any combination is what is required. Bernie either STILL doesn't "get" that or he is deliberately "misspeaking." Either way, what he is doing is deliberately divisive.

More about the Logan visit: http://wvmetronews.com/2016/05/01/vocal-crowd-protesters-out-for-former-president-bill-clintons-logan-county-event/

To support her campaign, President Clinton said he made the following request of his wife: “‘I want you to send me to anyplace in America that feels left out and left behind.’ That’s what I want to do.”

He then addressed those in the crowd who were yelling, “This is where they start screaming because they don’t want to hear this.”

Alongside Clinton in Logan were U.S. Senator Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Governor Earl Ray Tomblin who have both endorsed Hillary Clinton.


Bill was also met with a LOT of adoration in Charleston, where there are actually MORE voters. http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20160501/bill-clinton-sees-protesters-in-logan-adoration-in-charleston
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
81. The man shut down a polling place that he wasn't even a voter at.
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:40 AM
May 2016

If people boo him, there's a reason. It's rude, but no reflection on the candidate. He can only control his own comments and it sounds like he's having trouble with that. What's with this WE stuff? I wish Hill luck if they get back to the WH. She will have to fight him for the desk in the Oval Office.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
130. Of course Bernie is dividing the Democratic Party.
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

He's dividing the liberals and progressives from the corporate apologists. It's about time, too.



A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
88. Who's running?
Mon May 2, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

We’re not leaving West Virginia behind. We’ve got to invest in this place. I know the price you have paid.”

We are not going to resolve this today. But we’d be a heck of a lot better off in this country if we have more meetings like this and less screaming and shouting. All I can tell you is if she wins, I will do every single solitary thing I can personally. I will do everything I can.

Just who do you want me to vote for Bill, you or Hillary?

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
97. So typical of the two, I and We, and cause for concern. Double dose.
Mon May 2, 2016, 09:54 AM
May 2016

He's a real caricature at times. In 2008 there was an interview I saw where Biden said the fact that Bill would be a real presence made him decline an offer of VP by HC if offered. Who might fill the position this time will be interesting to see.
Notions that the globalization, NAFTA Clintons will invest in and rejuvenate that Tristate area of West Virginia, Kentucky and Ohio are absurd. Same for the impoverished Native American communities he referenced. For 25 plus years the economy and jobs there have declined and problems increased, poverty, broken families, drugs.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
101. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:22 AM
May 2016

But did Bill say that the Native Americans have nothing because they don't have gambling?

CanadaexPat

(496 posts)
102. Noes the time for Hillary to back-track
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

on all her previous statements. Mistake, mid-spoke, what I really meant, you're distorting my words...we're going to hear a lot of that in the next six months.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
121. Any politician who believes in climate change is going to be unpopular in coal- and oil-producing
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

areas.

republicans profess climate change is a hoax and are popular in coal- and oil-producing areas. Convenient how that works out.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
134. Locking
Mon May 2, 2016, 03:57 PM
May 2016
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