Duggar cult founder plans Kansas ‘retreat’ to set up arranged marriages for teen girls
Source: Raw Story
Duggar cult founder plans Kansas retreat to set up arranged marriages for teen girls
Vyckie Garrsion
04 May 2016 at 17:56 ET
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A group of ultra-conservative Christian men are planning to meet up in Kansas later this year to arrange marriages for their pubescent daughters
and they dont believe their daughters consent is actually necessary.
Quiverfull patriarch, Vaughn Ohlman, who runs a website promoting early, fruitful marriage for Truly True Christian children, has announced plans for a Get Them Married! retreat where fundamentalist fathers will find, and TAKE, suitably submissive young brides to bear many babies for their adolescent sons.
The weekend retreat, which will be held in Wichita this coming November, is designed to bring together like-minded families (and their unmarried young men and women) who are committed to young, fruitful marriage and to help them overcome the barriers which have kept their children unmarried.
For around $1200 per family, Quiverfull parents will spend three days networking with similarly-delusional zealots who believe men are to be in charge, wives are to be submissive baby-makers, and children are to be sheltered, isolated, indoctrinated, and pushed toward early, prolific marriages for Jesus.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/duggar-cult-founder-plans-kansas-retreat-to-set-up-arranged-marriages-for-teen-girls/
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The Betrothal of Joshua and Laura
It is with great joy in the mighty blessing of the Lord that we, the undersigned, in obedience to God do Covenant or Witness thereto that:
Joshua Phillip Ohlman
and
Laura Marie Camp
Are this the 23rd day of August, 2013 bound in the sight of God and man in the unbreakable Covenant of Betrothal; are now husband and wife to each other; and await the blessed day when they will come together physically.
In this covenant we bind ourselves or our children to the following:
A lifelong continual sexual union in which the body of each spouse belongs to the other.
A union which shall be ever open to the blessing of children; and where the children shall be raised in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
A union in which the husband shall love his wife, as Christ loves the Church; washing her in the water of the word.
A union in which the wife shall love and respect her husband, love her children, and keep the home; helping raise her children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
A union, under Christ, with the husband as its head, the wife as his submissive helpmeet, and the children bound in obedience to their parents.
We make this Covenant with the following purposes and goals:
That fornication may be avoided by the God given use of the marriage bed.
That a Godly seed may be raised up.
That the word of God be not blasphemed.
That Gods command to be fruitful and multiply, replenish the Earth, subdue it, and have dominion over it, may be obeyed.
That the relationship between Christ and the Church may be reflected.
That, above all, God may be glorified.
What God has joined together let not man put asunder.
In testimony and covenant thereto the following set their names:
_____________ __________________________
Andrew Camp Vaughn Ohlman
Father of the Bride Father of the Groom
Who gives his daughter Who takes a wife for his son
More:
http://vonstakes.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-betrothal-of-joshua-and-laura.html
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)For most people, "I want to get pregnant/get you pregnant on our wedding night, then have another baby every 15 to 18 months until menopause and I won't compromise on this" would end the relationship instantly. But that is what Quiverfull calls for.
Botany
(70,504 posts)If this isn't child abuse I don't know what is. You believe in a Deity, fine get on w/your own
bad self but that does not give you the right to act like a Deity and tell and or make others
live like you do .... full metal asshole.
Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)Grown men gathering to make plans for their UNDERAGED children to have "legal" sex. Child protective services should be advised.
These poor kids. How many are LGBTQ?
This makes me queasy.....
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)They paired him up with a young woman for a "courtship" but it didn't work out. I can't even imagine how awful it would be to have to deny who you are in order to have the support of your family who are convinced being gay is a sinful choice.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,186 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,314 posts)to advertise them to possible buyers?
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)managed to keep 18 of their 19 kids firmly in the fold. The oldest Josh is the molester, porn addict, and philanderer they recently sent away for Bible based therapy. Good luck with that. I hope eventually one of the kids will have the courage to break free and take others with them. As it is, girls are basically the property of their father until he finds and turns them over to a "Godly" young man to secure their future as baby factories. The boys are kept on a short leash, too. It has to be a hellish existence.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Sounds much like some middle eastern cultures.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)vows are not all that different than most marriage vows of that day. As to the age of the two in the picture - they look old enough to get naked in the back seat - marriage or no marriage.
What I predict will come of the marriages arranged in this style: some will actually work. But most will not. The couple will have a couple of kids before they realize that they are not compatible. Or one or both will find someone else. Or the young girl will grow up and become a woman who thinks differently about who she is. Or even worse there will be abuse in the marriage and the abused person will suffer the rest of their life.
THAT is what happened to the traditional marriages during the 50s. By the 60s many had already ended in divorce and the women and children were living in poverty because back then dead beat dads did not get chased by the courts for support and welfare was a subsistence living.
Arkansas Granny
(31,516 posts)got to pick their groom.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)You can leave a cult in this country.
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Aristus
(66,344 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)and just pay dad for her hand in "marriage".
Family values.
Also if the young woman is not of the Tribe you can slaughter her entire family and take her hand in "marriage".
PSPS
(13,595 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)like people showing off their livestock at the state fair. Creepy
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)niyad
(113,302 posts)perverted "fathers"
Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Sick fucks period...
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)First of all, Vaughn Ohlman is not the Duggars' cult leader. Their cult leader is Bill Gothard. Whatever their flaws are, none of their kids were married underage.
Second let's talk about the context here, because it's important: this particular slice of fundamentalism has been talking for years about what they term "the marriage crisis." Basically the issue is that they deliberately raised their daughters in particular to aspire to be mothers of large families, and they're reaching adulthood and not finding suitable partners, often until well into their thirties. Which is a problem if you want a big family, because the math just doesn't work at that point. Different people in their communities identify different contributing factors, and a lot of them are focusing on mentoring young men. Personally I suspect that their emphasis on debt-free living is a big part of the problem: if you need to buy a house to get married and you can't take out a loan, you're unlikely to be marrying young because you need to make some serious money even to buy a little fixer in most places.
Third Ohlman's argument is that young men are ready to be husbands before they're ready to be the independent leaders of their own family unit, and that if they need to live with family for a while on their own or something that's not a dealbreaker. If you look at his website he's talking about people in their late teens and twenties. He's explicitly not talking about people younger than the end of puberty. What he's rejecting is "leave and cleave" theology where marriage means a couple is entirely and irreperably independent of their families: since this theology places abused women in danger and traps them in bad situations (ie Anna Duggar) this might not be the worst thing. He also suggests that ruling out young people because their family's ideology is very slightly different is stupid. In a subculture where it's not uncommon for dads to make young men write many theological position papers as part of the courtship process that's also not objectionable advice.
Fourth and most importantly every fundamentalist activity is explicitly a place for matchmaking. That's why they have eleventy billion conferences and parachurch ministries, and why they're forever sending their teenagers and young adults off to assist other ministries, why they all emphasize hospitality and visiting likeminded families, and why highly experienced families with older children still attend several homeschooling conferences a year, even though they could recite the speakers' advice from memory.
Fifth and most importantly Vyckie Garrison is a crank and writing articles about fundamentalism for liberals is her latest grift. Take her articles with a box of salt, okay?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)that could possibly contradict it: it's not even allowed on their radars
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)What You Need To Know About The Quiverfull Movement
05/26/2015 06:43 pm ET
Antonia Blumberg
Associate Religion Editor, The Huffington Post
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19 Kids And Counting stars Michelle and Jim Bob Duggar found themselves in the spotlight for dark reasons this week after reports surfaced that their oldest son, Joshua, molested several young girls, including some of his sisters, during his teenage years. With 19 children, the Duggars are frequently associated with the Quiverfull movement a contingent of conservative Christians who shun contraception though Michelle and Jim Bob have said they do not formally consider themselves Quiverfull Christians.
Even if the family doesnt openly embrace the ideology, their lifestyle mirrors many of its core principles. To remind you exactly what the movement is all about, here are a few key facts you should know:
The name comes from a passage in the Bible.
Psalm 127 states: Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in ones youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court. A quiver, in the old English sense of the word, is a case for holding arrows.
Many couples in the movement believe God wont give them more children than they can handle.
Families that follow Quiverfull ideals refrain from using contraception, believing that it is only God who opens and closes the womb, as adherent Kelly Swanson told NPR. Another adherent told BBC in 2013 that her husband saw it wasnt such a scary thing to do after all, and that God wouldnt overwhelm us with more than we could handle. One baby at a time arrived, and we were handling it, so we felt our marriage was being blessed by this choice and we continued.
More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26/quiverfull-movement-facts_n_7444604.html
Judi Lynn
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(49,212 posts)They're Baptists, they used to home church and for the last few years they've been at least loosely affiliated with Cross Church, which is a Baptist megachurch in their area. From looking at his blog it appears that Vaughn Ohlman is definitely a Calvinist, probably Presbyterian, and that he's a devoted follower of Rousas K. Rushdoony. He definitely can't be their cult leader because they're not even members of the same cult.
While it's easy for people who aren't overly familiar with american fundamentalism to confuse the two groups and they do share some overlapping beliefs (notably quiverful theology) they're not the same religious group at all, they're not even theologically similar.
And again, the Duggar kids who have married were all definitely adults. Literally the only reason to include them is as clickbait.
Vyckie's kind of a crank. Her story changes over time, she throws her own children under the bus, the only details that stay consistent was that absolutely nothing was her fault and she'd like some money now thank you.
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Had never heard of her or the Quiverful group (the name nearly makes me gag) until seeing that article.
Had never heard of the Gothards, either, of course.
I wonder if the country could use some more cults.
Thanks for the information.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)It tends to be associated with several different parachurch ministries, so people of many different denominations believe in it. For that matter it's not really all that different then what traditionalist Catholics believe about reproduction, but they tend not to use the term.
Bill Gothard is a total creep. Here's a little more info about him and ATI: http://gawker.com/the-creepy-fundamentalist-homeschool-cult-that-trained-1706969994
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)I do remember hearing of a connection between Bill Gothard and the Duggars during their awkward days when their problems with their creepy son were revealed.
Their approach to teaching is astonishing, when it's so wildly stupid.
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Wow, oh, wow, oh, wow.
There is some serious sickness among these people.
Thanks for this look. They are far dingier than I could have ever imagined, and they are committed to their craziness.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Actually I think it might be at another DUer's house, but I should get it back from her and post pics and scans. It's the craziest thing, a big tacky faux-leatherbound thing with gilt pages and a ribbon to mark your place, but then you open it up and it's a consumable textbook? The only way to describe it is to say it appears to be a book produced by people who have only a passing familiarity with books.
Coventina
(27,119 posts)Until the Duggar scandal broke in the news, I had no idea they were connected to Gothard, but it sure explains a lot.
Another funny thing, I never put all the pieces together to realize how Gothardism actually WAS a cult. I just thought I was unlucky enough to be raised by extreme fundy parents. But, understanding that it operates like a cult, things that I could never understand about my childhood and my ongoing struggles to overcome it makes so much more sense.
It's hard to overcome mental programming when you don't even realize that you've been brainwashed in the first place.
I'm glad this group is finally getting the scrutiny it deserves.
jpak
(41,757 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)evil creeps-Pharisee's American Style. The New Apostolic Reformation spawned many cults. K&R.
New Apostolic Reformation/NAR (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation