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Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:39 AM May 2016

San Andreas fault 'locked, loaded and ready to roll' with big earthquake, expert says

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Source: LATimes

Southern California’s section of the San Andreas fault is “locked, loaded and ready to roll,” a leading earthquake scientist said Wednesday at the National Earthquake Conference in Long Beach.

The San Andreas fault is one of California’s most dangerous, and is the state’s longest fault. Yet for Southern California, the last big earthquake to strike the southern San Andreas was in 1857, when a magnitude 7.9 earthquake ruptured an astonishing 185 miles between Monterey County and the San Gabriel Mountains near Los Angeles.

It has been quiet since then — too quiet, said Thomas Jordan, director of the Southern California Earthquake Center.

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Here’s the problem: Scientists have observed that based on the movement of tectonic plates, with the Pacific plate moving northwest of the North American plate, earthquakes should be relieving about 16 feet of accumulated plate movement every 100 years. Yet the San Andreas has not relieved stress that has been building up for more than a century.



Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-andreas-fault-earthquake-20160504-story.html



So are Californians prepared for a really BIG quake? How does one prepare?
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San Andreas fault 'locked, loaded and ready to roll' with big earthquake, expert says (Original Post) Lodestar May 2016 OP
Another dirty primary trick! merrily May 2016 #1
For years, Americans are told about how the California business scene is truedelphi May 2016 #2
Specialists win a lot in the short run, generalists survive better in the long run. bemildred May 2016 #9
We've confused a few things. Igel May 2016 #14
California Tumbles Into the Sea Botany May 2016 #3
I'll see your San Andreas, and raise you a Cascadia GliderGuider May 2016 #4
I see we agree. nt bemildred May 2016 #8
Potential for a 9.2 GliderGuider May 2016 #10
And that's just an educated guess. bemildred May 2016 #11
Arizona Bay n/t sendero May 2016 #5
We keep hearing this Blandocyte May 2016 #6
You made a pun! Redwoods Red May 2016 #13
Yes. We all have faults. n/t Igel May 2016 #15
Yup. rusty fender May 2016 #17
San Andreas is not that bad, esp. the south end. bemildred May 2016 #7
One good thing Bayard May 2016 #12
Meh. Igel May 2016 #16
LOCKING THREAD AS ANALYSIS/OPION LostOne4Ever May 2016 #18

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Another dirty primary trick!
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:54 AM
May 2016


Made you look!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
2. For years, Americans are told about how the California business scene is
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:00 AM
May 2016

Filled with all these bright brainy people.

Yet few of them seem the least bit concerned about the Next Big One, with many of them building in the most vulnerable of areas.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. Specialists win a lot in the short run, generalists survive better in the long run.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:16 AM
May 2016

And humans are by their nature uber-generalists, we do a lot of things well, we are very, very adaptable.

When you specialize, even if you succeed, in the evolutionary sense you are stuck in a box, you have too much invested in your speciality to give it up.

It is better to stay flexible, travel light, and keep your eyes on the road ahead.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
14. We've confused a few things.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

We confuse intelligence, wisdom, and knowledge.

Many bright people are fools. Many wise people aren't necessarily all that intelligent.

Knowledge is something you can easily acquire. Much of intelligence is fairly fixed, and wisdom tends to take years to acquire.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
3. California Tumbles Into the Sea
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
4. I'll see your San Andreas, and raise you a Cascadia
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:41 AM
May 2016
The Really Big One

Most people in the United States know just one fault line by name: the San Andreas, which runs nearly the length of California and is perpetually rumored to be on the verge of unleashing “the big one.” That rumor is misleading, no matter what the San Andreas ever does. Every fault line has an upper limit to its potency, determined by its length and width, and by how far it can slip. For the San Andreas, one of the most extensively studied and best understood fault lines in the world, that upper limit is roughly an 8.2—a powerful earthquake, but, because the Richter scale is logarithmic, only six per cent as strong as the 2011 event in Japan.

Just north of the San Andreas, however, lies another fault line. Known as the Cascadia subduction zone, it runs for seven hundred miles off the coast of the Pacific Northwest, beginning near Cape Mendocino, California, continuing along Oregon and Washington, and terminating around Vancouver Island, Canada. The “Cascadia” part of its name comes from the Cascade Range, a chain of volcanic mountains that follow the same course a hundred or so miles inland. The “subduction zone” part refers to a region of the planet where one tectonic plate is sliding underneath (subducting) another. Tectonic plates are those slabs of mantle and crust that, in their epochs-long drift, rearrange the earth’s continents and oceans. Most of the time, their movement is slow, harmless, and all but undetectable. Occasionally, at the borders where they meet, it is not.

When the next very big earthquake hits, the northwest edge of the continent, from California to Canada and the continental shelf to the Cascades, will drop by as much as six feet and rebound thirty to a hundred feet to the west—losing, within minutes, all the elevation and compression it has gained over centuries. Some of that shift will take place beneath the ocean, displacing a colossal quantity of seawater. (Watch what your fingertips do when you flatten your hand.) The water will surge upward into a huge hill, then promptly collapse. One side will rush west, toward Japan. The other side will rush east, in a seven-hundred-mile liquid wall that will reach the Northwest coast, on average, fifteen minutes after the earthquake begins. By the time the shaking has ceased and the tsunami has receded, the region will be unrecognizable. Kenneth Murphy, who directs FEMA’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”

In the Pacific Northwest, the area of impact will cover some hundred and forty thousand square miles, including Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, Eugene, Salem (the capital city of Oregon), Olympia (the capital of Washington), and some seven million people. When the next full-margin rupture happens, that region will suffer the worst natural disaster in the history of North America. Roughly three thousand people died in San Francisco’s 1906 earthquake. Almost two thousand died in Hurricane Katrina. Almost three hundred died in Hurricane Sandy. FEMA projects that nearly thirteen thousand people will die in the Cascadia earthquake and tsunami. Another twenty-seven thousand will be injured, and the agency expects that it will need to provide shelter for a million displaced people, and food and water for another two and a half million. “This is one time that I’m hoping all the science is wrong, and it won’t happen for another thousand years,” Murphy says.

In fact, the science is robust, and one of the chief scientists behind it is Chris Goldfinger. Thanks to work done by him and his colleagues, we now know that the odds of the big Cascadia earthquake happening in the next fifty years are roughly one in three. The odds of the very big one are roughly one in ten. Even those numbers do not fully reflect the danger—or, more to the point, how unprepared the Pacific Northwest is to face it. The truly worrisome figures in this story are these: Thirty years ago, no one knew that the Cascadia subduction zone had ever produced a major earthquake. Forty-five years ago, no one even knew it existed.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. I see we agree. nt
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:06 AM
May 2016
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
10. Potential for a 9.2
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016
"If the entire zone gives way at once, an event that seismologists call a full-margin rupture, the magnitude will be somewhere between 8.7 and 9.2. That’s the very big one."

That would make it equal to the Alaska quake of 1964, between the Sumatran M8.6 quake of 2005 and the Chilean M9.5 quake of 1960.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/world/10_largest_world.php

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. And that's just an educated guess.
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

Fukushima was getting up there.

There are a lot of nukes on the coast for the water, just to take note.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
5. Arizona Bay n/t
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:10 AM
May 2016

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
6. We keep hearing this
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:23 AM
May 2016

yet every couple years it's presented as earth shaking news.

 

Redwoods Red

(137 posts)
13. You made a pun!
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

Igel

(37,535 posts)
15. Yes. We all have faults. n/t
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016
 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
17. Yup.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:24 PM
May 2016

We've been hearing, for the last 50 years, that the big one is imminent or could happen 100 years from now. In 100 years, scientists will be saying the same thing.

Geology takes its time.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. San Andreas is not that bad, esp. the south end.
Fri May 6, 2016, 08:03 AM
May 2016

I mean it's bad, but the really nasty stuff is in the Northwest, where the Gordo Plate is being shoved into the crust. Oregon can see 8's.

I was born and raised in LA, the worst quake I was ever in was in Redwood country.

On the other hand, we did build a lot of stuff here.

Bayard

(29,698 posts)
12. One good thing
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

At least there's no fracking there.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
16. Meh.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
May 2016

Most fracking quakes are superficial.

It's been suggested in the case of San Andreas that deep drilling provide the means to lubricate the fault, so that there are a lot of smaller quakes instead of one large one. (It would take a lot of smaller quakes, though, one reason for dismissing the idea.)

LostOne4Ever

(9,752 posts)
18. LOCKING THREAD AS ANALYSIS/OPION
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

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