Hillary Clinton’s Cinco de Mayo LA Rally Anything but Festive Due to Protesters
Source: ABC News
Hillary Clinton headed to East Los Angeles Thursday night in honor of the Mexican holiday Cinco de Mayo -- but her rally in this predominantly Hispanic part of L.A. was anything but celebratory.
Hundreds of protesters descended upon East Los Angeles College to express their disdain for the Democratic presidential front-runner. Most of the protesters remained outside the college, although some made their way inside.
The protesters -- some of whom carried pro-Bernie Sanders signs -- spanned the spectrum in terms of their key issues: Some were protesting Clinton's refusal so far to release her speaking engagement transcripts and her ties to Wall Street, while others took issue with Clinton's "super-predator" remarks in 1994, and the crime bill her then-president husband signed that year. Others also headed to Clinton's rally to protest her involvement in the 2009 Honduras coup, and to accuse her of pandering to the Hispanic community.
Maritza Galvez, a 21-year-old student at the college, carried a sign that read, We only matter when its Cinco de Mayo. A man, who was leading a crowd, shouted into a loud speaker, "Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party have to know that they cannot come to Los Angeles, occupy Mexico on Cinco de Mayo, and think that we are not going to come out and denounce them!
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clintons-cinco-de-mayo-la-rally-festive/story?id=38917455
More protesters outside the event then supporters inside the event
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ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)KICK to stop the party shenanigans!
redkwamya
(17 posts)Clinton Sanders Spread
RCP Total - 12,438,491 9,302,657 Clinton +3,135,834
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)Thy name is INFORMATION.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And then they realize they are awake, "GOP funding Sanders campaign attacks" is ridiculous, and that the "poor put upon Hillary" dream is over.
George II
(67,782 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)or are you a liar?
cali
(114,904 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)to attack Hillary.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)seekthetruth
(504 posts).....and I've seen some of the stuff that's been posted by you on other threads Lewebley3.....you make very broad statements with little proof or explanation.
If anyone is helping the GOP, it's the DNC leadership. If they would listen to the platform of Sanders, they would realize that Bernie has the greatest chance of beating Trump in the fall on a myriad of issues. Namely, environmental responsibility, corporate responsibility, needless foreign engagements, the death penalty, campaign finance reform, and a host of others. Why do you think there is such a huge lack of support for Clinton this time around as compared to when Obama ran in 2008? And this lack of support truly could cause a severe fracture in the Democratic Party because we (Sanders supporters) are being asked to support a candidate who goes against so many things that we stand for. It's like asking staunch free-market supporters on the Republican side to support increases in the minimum wage. It just won't happen.
So unless Hillary decides to take the side of a complete ban on fracking, supports major healthcare reform, and begins showing a sincere stance towards non-interventionalism towards conflict in the Middle East (only supporting action when we have no other choice), then please do not expect our support.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)That person has some very serious problems. His (I think) posts aren't worth anyone's time to glance at, much less respond to.
Any time spent replying to him is utterly wasted
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Koch Bros. They love Clinton and wouldn't support attacks on her. Get your head out of your pocket and understand that there are lots of people that do not like Clinton. But her supporters don't really care as long as they keep a progressive out of the WH.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)He recently claimed in a thread I was in that Bernie Sanders is using millions from his campaign's fundraising to enrich himself, that he has a huge ego, and that his campaign was all about himself and his ego.
The guy's an incredible creep.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)dchill
(38,746 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)is "in it for the money" and "swindling those naive college kids."
Nope, nothing smelly about that at all.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Prove it!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Koch Bros back Clinton, so who exactly is funding Sanders campaign attacks if not your Fat Cats. Many people are tired of the corrupt culture of Fat Cat money running our government.
dchill
(38,746 posts)Do you have a link, or just an overfed imagination? More "victim" charges?
Laurian
(2,593 posts)No problem, it's almost over.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)While it's fine for you to think it's over, why is it not for others to show their feelings in the matters of our country?
What they did is part of the process you AND your candidate show such disdain for. Oh my, why does Hillary and her supporters have to be bothered by such little work like campaigning?
Laurian
(2,593 posts)BS rallies. The reputation of Bernie supporters antagonizing anyone not supporting their candidate is well known and has been detrimental to his cause.
Javaman
(62,608 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)The only reason nasty Hillary supporters are not outed is that Bernie's campaign doesn't do that stuff.
Get a clue.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd maintain that pretense too were I less rational. Though I'm sure you have a somewhat more creative reason for alleging as such... regardless of closing our posts out with half-witted bumper-stickers masquerading as thought.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that people could follow a post from the post title into the body of the post without getting lost along the way. It doesn't get better just because you repeat it twice.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)That's something Hillary and her supporters can't do. Like a weathervane in the middle of a tornado.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)because Hillary supporters believe their own bull shit.
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)around by Clinton supporters? Or do you think it was Trump?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)showing up at a Bernie rally would be asking too much.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Kind of shows that they're only about hating Bernie, if you ask me. They can turn out enough to make him lose, just not enough to make her win.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)They vote as automatons, thoughtlessly for the candidate whose stances on the policies are 1990s, not 2016.
Feel the Bern!
I had a fabulous day campaigning for Bernie yesterday. Just amazing.
People were thanking ME for campaigning for Bernie.
Feel the Bern!
I am excited about how well Bernie is going to do in California and probably in Oregon too.
Climate change is reality in California.
Bernie's climate change, trade and other stances are what California voters want. We live next to the ocean (well some lucky people do, not me, but you know what I mean). We reuse our bags at the grocery store because we are serious about doing every tiny thing we can to protect the ocean and our environment. We want more solar panels and less fossil fuels and we want also more jobs including retraining and jobs for coal miners in the Appalachians. So we want BERNIE!
Again: Feel the Bern!
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)pure AstroTurf!
seekthetruth
(504 posts).... because your candidate supports harmful energy policies harmful to the environment, and she has a history of choosing war over peace when trying to resolve problems.....among many other reasons.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Only certain copy/paste lines are allowed. (Get It)....
cali
(114,904 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)for the campaign Trump is going to run if Clinton is the nominee.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)not, Prim & Proper. Bernie Sanders supporters CARE. Hillary supporters go along like good little automatons.
dchill
(38,746 posts)any more of that stupid democratic voting goes on. Especially in Cali.
bluedigger
(17,108 posts)The reason only one side is protesting the other is issues, btw, not cult of personality.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Sorry but protesting is a Dem ideal. You know who's against protests? Republicans.
We're you against people showing up to protest Bush in 2004 too?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)and I cannot believe how many times I've read the old tried and true Republican "free stuff" BS from her supporters. Meanwhile she is courting Bush supporters for money...
but on the other hand these comments are a handy resource for my ignore list.
The only ones who are Freepers are the ones yelling that shit
Laurian
(2,593 posts)Bernie supporters. You accuse Hillary supporters of not being Democrats when it's Bernie who is not a Democrat. He never has been and has said some really nasty things about the party he now expects to nominate him. I've been a Democrat all my life. I remember wearing a JFK button when I was 10 years old. At 68, I don't appreciate having my loyalties questioned by those who support a man who is simply using the Democratic Party for expediency.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Funny, since when is a question an accusation?
Are you going to answer my question or not? Is protesting bad?
Bernie is a Dem who is running for the Dem nomination but don't let that confuse you. Otherwise, if he was an (I) he couldn't run, correct? Correct!
Nasty things about the party? Because nobody should be above criticism? Sorry but when 89 Dem senators vote to gut SNAP, something is very wrong.
The Dem party for political expediency vs Hillary who changes her positions every 30 minutes for that very thing?
Sand meet head.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, but ironically has not registered as a Democrat. Don't let that confuse you because Vermont doesn't do that. There's no rules in the Democratic Party that prohibit Independants, or even Republicans from running from nomination. But that doesn't support your narrative. Facts don't matter when binary thinkers are on the prowl.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I'm not going read some random post where you got your feels hurt to try to figure out what you are trying to say in this thred.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)If you don't care enough to explain your point, or at least summarize, I'm not going to bother chasing a blind link.
You replied to me, not the other way around.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)believe in protests, I did come of age during the Vietnam War, but I view the primary season as a time to build up and support your chosen candidate rather than tear down another candidate within the party with hateful rhetoric. I reserve those feelings, thoughts and actions for Republicans.
I have often been sorely disappointed when my preferred candidate did not win the nomination, but I have never opted to "take my ball and go home". The consequences were to serious to ignore.
Question/Accuse? It's a matter of degree I suppose, but you did imply that I was less than a Democrat.
You obviously have strong feelings and great dedication to your cause. As a senior with limited time remaining in this game, I hope you will stay active and remain passionate about those things you hold dear.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)"I view the primary season as a time to build up and support your chosen candidate rather than tear down another candidate within the party with hateful rhetoric."
Except you trashed Sanders supporters with your iniyalnpost.
What are your thoughts on those protesting Trump?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)You say here, with great certainty: " I view the primary season as a time to build up and support your chosen candidate rather than tear down another candidate within the party with hateful rhetoric. I reserve those feelings, thoughts and actions for Republicans."
But in the post just above you said, also with great certainty:
"it's Bernie who is not a Democrat. He never has been and has said some really nasty things about the party he now expects to nominate him. I've been a Democrat all my life. I remember wearing a JFK button when I was 10 years old. At 68, I don't appreciate having my loyalties questioned by those who support a man who is simply using the Democratic Party for expediency. "
So you are tearing down the other candidate with great intensity, then claiming you don't do that and that no one should be critical of your candidate.
Hypocrisy on parade.
LiberalFighter
(52,166 posts)That is related to his demand to have more control of the DNC convention. Except the ball doesn't belong to him.
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)When I returned I quickly joined the VVAW. Spent a lot of time protesting the war. I love what Sanders represents as should all Democrats.
Hillary? I will have a hard time voting for her because of all her baggage, including being married to Bill, he signed NAFTA and cut the safety net out from under many low to middle wage earners, as examples of things he did that were wrong. NAFTA alone destroyed the manufacturing sector of the country and took away so many American jobs. I know, I was working for General Electric at that time and watched as many of our machinist jobs left and went to Asia mostly China.. Those jobs never came back....GE went from almost 50 machinists to less than a handful GE did keep all the higher skilled jobs such as tool and die makers, but those machinist jobs were/are gone forever. I was fortunate enough to have been a T/D maker and not affected by the giant suck of jobs leaving for China. Hillary will not change anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFTA's_effect_on_United_States_employment#Job_loss
karynnj
(59,554 posts)If we did, believe me, there would be not bills that cut SNAP.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)because the candidate you're backing bears very little resemblance to one.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)That's dismissing a whole lot of very fine and progressive people.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)in the manner you did show very little loyalty to the people the Democratic party claims to represent.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)anything Hillary has stood for, period. She, her husband and the other pro-corporate, "centrist" Democrats who took over te party in the 90's didn't even want to see themselves tagged as "liberals" after letting conservatives smear that word. She's only claiming to be a progressive now because it's what is popular, but she doesn't understand what the word means.
Back when the word began to be used widely, "progressives" were those who were to the left of the mainstream Democratic "liberals". Progressives included a lot of socialists, Greens, communists, etc., not people like Hillary Clinton. This is why I say that she and her supporters don't really understand what a "progressive" is and why it's laughable that she's trying to claim that she is one based on her record.
I think Hillary's supporters are loyal to the Democratic Party as it's constituted now - a party that has deliberately tried to push progressives aside in the pursuit of corporate dollars once reserved for Republicans.
LiberalFighter
(52,166 posts)So all of this should be thrown away?
Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
Staff attorney for Children's Defense Fund
Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
created Arkansas's Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
led a task force that reformed Arkansas's education system
Instrumental in passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program
Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment
Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)about being the "first female ____" any more than it is progressive to be the "first Black ____" or "first Latino ____".
All I see here are what could be best described as safe, liberal items that aren't really what I'd term progressive. A liberal would "work to investigate reports of illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War", a progressive would be firmly against the deployment of those troops beforehand.
A liberal would help create something like "Vital Voices", whereas a progressive would have recognized that women had long had voices and freedoms in the countries Hillary sought regime change in (Libya, Syria). I'm sorry, but you don't destroy a country that had long guaranteed freedoms and protections for women under secular government, back and aggressively push for the funding of radical jihadists to overthrow that system, then get to claim that you are "for women". Hillary is "for women" in rhetoric only. Before the US intervention in Afghanistan against the Soviets (where we and the Pakistani ISI created and funded al-Qa'ida and the Taliban), women in that country didn't wear burqas and suffer under Islamic law - they had freedom to attain education, seek employment and hold government positions. It was US who destroyed that, and I'm sure since Hillary is such a disciple of Henry Kissinger that she would have approved of what we did there in the 80's.
A liberal would broker "a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas" but a progressive would have put equal pressure on both sides of the conflict and held both equally responsible for seeing to the deal's implementation. Hillary won't even recognize the humanity of the Palestinians and has excused every human rights violation that Israel has been involved in.
A true progressive is much further to the left than Hillary would dare to tread, and I resent people like her trying to co-opt the labeling (and thus render it meaningless) just because it is politically popular at the moment. Then again, that's all Hillary Clinton has ever done so why expect anything different now?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Maybe "real" Democrats just don't give a damn about most of us. It's just a game to a lot of these people. It's why after decades of experience in the party some can just dismiss legitimate issues so casually.
I'm voting for Clinton because she is still much better option than any Republican and a majority of the Democrats! But I wonder how long Clinton and her more loyal supporters (and those like her in the party) can continue to be so casually dishonest, corrupt, and violent before it really bites us in the ass.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Your being a "real" Democrat, or the value of the party in general. Your dismissal of a protest with your rather stupid comment about "typical Sanders supporters" doesn't offer much hope for the party or give a positive view of your character either way.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hillary supporters would NEVER accuse a liberal of not being a democrat!
merrily
(45,251 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)Dismiss minority disenfranchisement all you want. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)How do you inject race into anything I posted?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yeah... voicing their concerns and condemning pandering.... like citizens concerned for their country.
Typical Hillary supporter dismissal of others' rights and concerns. Another "yawn" from the Hilster camp at important issues.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)But ya - we got the right candidate
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)She has trouble drawing a crowd of 500 at a rally, she has earned half of the individual campaign contributions as Bernie; and she is forced to purchase internet mouthpieces because she has scant online support.
This election has been stolen, state after state after state. Each state primary/caucus brought us one shitstorm after another. The Republican primaries went smoothly, while our primaries were a cluster fuck mockery.
Oh. And all of the Republican exit polls reflected the actual election results. But somehow the Democratic exit polls were way off--in numerous states.
This entire primary is a complete farce.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Most countires with exit poll discrepancies like this would have cars burning in the streets.
pnwmom
(109,068 posts)than those who show up at the polls on the last day.
And Hillary has most of her support from people 45 and older.
So the exit polls aren't that reliable for an election with an age gap between the candidates.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Exit polls used to be the gold standard...until Ohio in 2004. Odd coincidence, that.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)give our regards to Oregon.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Hillary only spoke for 14 minutes because protesters were inside her event
:large
"A Big Hearty California Welcome Hillary"
reddread
(6,896 posts)it is about to get real crazy.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)or one of those Multimillion Dollar Hollywood events
reddread
(6,896 posts)showing her surrounded by her base.
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)...
Surveying the crowd crammed into a stuffy college gym, Clinton declared that she could think of no better place to celebrate Cinco de Mayo. She called for comprehensive immigration reform and a path? for citizenship for those in the country illegally.
...
The boisterous rally was Clintons final public stop of the day. Earlier, she met with African American leaders and headlined a fundraiser hosted by Los Angeles City Councilman Jose Huizar. The regions top Democratic officials turned out to support Clinton, including Mayor Eric Garcetti, Reps. Xavier Becerra and Judy Chu, county Supervisor Hilda Solis, and Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León.
A handful of Sanders supporters unsuccessfully tried to interrupt her evening speech, and scores more protested outside. Clinton, however, focused on a general-election argument by repeatedly skewering Trump, who became the presumptive GOP nominee as Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Ohio Gov. John Kasich ended their presidential campaigns this week.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/1129/article/p2p-87096298/
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)Including a stop at the California African American Museum, which had no protesters.
The reporter who was there at the college said the small Sanders group did succeed in even interrupting her speech, let alone shutting her down.
Pathetic that those Sanders supporters would even want her shut down. Those are some ugly, authoritarian desires. She is a Democrat. She was talking about getting immigration reform passed. Hillary supporters don't go to Sanders rallies trying to interrupt his speeches. Those protesters should be embarrassed.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)So I posted this thread just for you
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511917565
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)That speech ran 9 minutes over. There were no big checks to be collected.
Nice campus. Great pool.
She's going to get buried in California and Oregon. I'm on the west side of PDX and see a ton of Bernie support. Hillary, not so much. It's still a race.
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)Hillary is 165 delegates away from the magic number to secure the nomination; Bernie is 939 delegates away from the magic number to secure the nomination.
There are 712 super delegates and 522 or 73% are already promised to Hillary. And that number grows every day. Sanders presently claims 39 super delegates or 5.5%. All of those super delegates will vote on the first ballot. The chances that Sanders can convince super delegates to flip and join his side are extremely unlikely. Even Bernie admits that. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-admits-hes-unlikely-flip-superdelegates
Bradj5
(9 posts)neither can reach the required number of delegates before the contested convention
https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)The blog you link to merely states the unremarkable fact that Hillary (like Obama) will need superdelegates to reach the magic number. The blogger does not deny that Clinton has more than enough superdelegates to reach the magic number well before the convention. Nor does the blogger deny that Hillary is only 165 delegates away while Bernie is 939 delegates away from the magic number to secure the nomination. Superdelegates vote on the first vote right along with the pledged delegates.
Please state which number is "incorrect."
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Let's see how the candidates do. There are a lot of Bernie stickers on cars!
Gamecock Lefty
(702 posts)The youth who want free tuition and no student loan debt love protesting. Let them go to the other side and support Trump - smart.
Thankfully the Sanders 'Gimme Free Stuff' campaign is almost over.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and our people (actual health care for all) than waste it on "free stuff" for corporations (tax breaks, subsidies,etc) or unnecessary and wasteful defense spending. Where do your priorities lie? Because that is what the debate is about, not what rightwingers typically label as "moochers."
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)A free ride back to their home countries is about the only free stuff they can count on
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Are you implying that anyone Hispanic is undocumented? That students are undocumented? That anyone who doesn't like Hillary is by definition illegitimate in some way? What?
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)Trump will take the WH and then ANY undocumented resident gets a free ride back to their home country, no matter what. To think that Bernie is going to "save us" is a bit unrealistic.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Javaman
(62,608 posts)you go all trump instead actually responding to the poster.
interesting.
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)because there 2 choices. Bernie would have to win 100% of the remaining delegates which is impossible because delegates are proportional and he doesn't have the support of the party he trashes daily. The alternative is Trump.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)She does it so well, it shouldn't be a problem.
Javaman
(62,608 posts)uh huh. right.
hyperbole is thy name.
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)and is freaking out that long time Democrats are running the convention.
Javaman
(62,608 posts)yeah, I think you need to turn down your hyperbole level a tad.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Republican primary a 19 party system. The only alternative to Hillary is not Trump.
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)and those 19 candidates all ran as Republicons. In a 2 party system, the most likely choice is between Hillary and Trump.
merrily
(45,251 posts)make.
WhiteTara
(29,787 posts)more Bernie math?
merrily
(45,251 posts)LiberalFighter
(52,166 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Many of the protestors are kids BORN and RAISED in the US, aka just as much citizens as YOU.
Jennylynn
(696 posts)Laser102
(816 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)For whom? The students who can actually start productive lives and build the future instead of being in debt slavery? The Wall Street bandits who will have to pay transaction taxes? (boohoo) Sure, there will be a "steep cost" Who would you rather have pay it?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The bs is indeed in ignoring the details.
Too many people are unable to make the connection: every tax cut (primarily benefiting the rich) in the past 35 years or so has raised costs--like public higher education--for everyone else. Missing that link makes it easy to sell the idea that tuition-free higher education or universal health care is too expensive. All we hear is "My/your taxes will go up!", and never "my/your costs will go down."
merrily
(45,251 posts)ignoring the details. As I've posted before, it takes a sentence to lie and so much more effort to debunk. No matter how many times the cost of "free" tuition got debunked on DU, it still got posted again.
Here is (I think) a great post from JackPineRadicals debunking a recent Boston Globe article on Bernie and taxes. http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?10564-Boston-Globe-lies-about-progressive-taxes-to-smear-Bernie
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and has to be debunked at great length (and very ably--kudos to BostonBob) is appalling. This--the marginal tax rate zombie lie--actually made it into a major paper? Granted it was on the op-ed page, and written by a Republican, but I think the worst part is members of the Democratic party piled on the bandwagon on behalf of their candidate. Ugh.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Then there was the Wall Street Journal's $18 trillion lie about Bernie.
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32447-focus-the-wall-street-journals-18-trillion-dollar-lie-about-bernie
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)If nothing else you'd think journalists, editors, publishers et al could be held to a professional standard regarding zombie lies and other tripe. People are entitled to their opinions and values, but not to their own "facts."
Thanks for the links.
surrealAmerican
(11,386 posts)There are people out there, in the Democratic Party no less, who think going into debt for twenty or thirty years just for the hope of getting a job that pays more than a starvation wage is somehow not acceptable.
The "free stuff" meme, by the way, is a right-wing smear of all that liberals stand for.
Free public education is not some pie-in-the-sky dream, most developed nations can manage it. It's called investing in the nations future.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)And free stuff includes school lunches, public education, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and SNAP.
It is shameful for so-called Democrats to provide such assistance to the Republicans.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Apparently it's one of the new rules. Now we can use rightwing memes like "free stuff" and "far left" to knock down liberals. Cool, huh?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)It's painful to see.
reddread
(6,896 posts)For the last 15 years it has been the American swastika.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)tom_kelly
(994 posts)and more specifically, exactly like a mit romney supporter of 2008. Comments like that make you appear dumb.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Almost indistinguishable from a Hillary Supporter..... as Hillary is almost indistinguishable from a Republican.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Or "Comcast for Hillary"
Or "Private Prison Lobby for Hillary"
Or "NRA Lobbyists for Hillary"
Or "Big Pharma for Hillary"
dinkytron
(568 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)As a Californian, the outcome of our upcoming primary is of great interest to me. I see support for Bernie all over the place. None for Hillary. This is an open primary state, so Bernie should do very well.
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)This expectation that people have that their government and their tax dollars be used to support the actual taxpayers and not the corporations that pay little to no tax is a bunch of bullshit!!
LiberalArkie
(15,772 posts)"I just go through paying $120,000 for my childrens college, and HE wants to make it free, that just isn't fair". She said she "Wants to make America great again".
Because I did not have insurance back in 1993 and had to pay $66,000 for a broken leg (took over 20 years to pay off) then no one should have affordable health care because I didn't.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Republicans have no concept of creating a better society for ourselves and our descendants. If they don't need something, they see no point to it. She's not even thinking as far ahead as her own freaking kids have to put her own grandkids through school. No wonder they're climate deniers. If they have a fridge and a/c, it's not worth thinking about. God, but the RW mentality is disgusting.
LiberalArkie
(15,772 posts)But considering others my age, I am pretty healthy considering being born with bad vision, hearing, heart, lungs etc. I have found out that I do not die easily and most people guess I am in my late 40's despite being 68.
I don't think many except for Bernie people think past their own situation. Maybe the empathic people were drawn towards Bernie for that exact reason and the non empathic were drawn towards HRC and the Republicans.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,631 posts)"To stop sending soldiers to [insert country here] is to dishonor the memories of the men and women who have already given their lives."
I actually heard someone say that to justify not leaving Iraq.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Your post could easily be a quote straight out of Limbaugh, O'Reilly or Beck. The pretense has been shed.
If the Republican Party realizes there is no room to the Right of the Democratic Party and ends up flipping to the Left then, yes, I will certainly switch my support to the other side.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)That's disgusting!
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)while hiding behind a peace symbol and a username with the word "lefty" in it.
You sure fooled us.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Probably hated FDR too! I mean, look at all that "free stuff" he gave away.
WTF!!
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)You sound like Trump.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)A Democrat mouthing Republican catchphrases. Funny how that happens when you support a Democratic candidate who promotes Republican policies with a pro-choice, pro-LGBT veneer.
snort
(2,334 posts)Stupid free stuff loving brats. Bet you never ate a free meal, amirite? Your pride wouldn't allow that, I can tell. Go Hillary! She'll make 'em pay, and pay good! Fuckin bums. And how about that free medical care bullshit? I mean just die already, will you? American taxpaying fuckfaces, always expecting stuff, free stuff!
Fortunately, Hills back is covered by the really serious and important rich people. They've got this.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Same things you just did.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)What was that about the GOP supporting Sanders....or something....
This 'Gimme Free Stuff' lament from Hillary is SO DEMOCRATIC!
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)That's for sure.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... it astounds me that people think they are something that they aren't. "Gamecock Lefty": I've never seen a truer oxymoron. That we could both call ourselves Democrats is just flat unbelievable.
lob1
(3,820 posts)So we should expect nothing good from Hillary. Thanks for the heads up.
Turin_C3PO
(14,323 posts)I'm glad you don't use public roadways or require the service of the Fire Dept. or police. Cuz, ya know, you hate "free stuff".
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Andy823
(11,498 posts)Karl Rove and his "bros" are at it again. Pretty bad when all they can do is shit like this to try and "help" Bernie win!
Do you have a channel I can subscribe to?
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Doing a great job in uniting the party there!
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)It's a bunch of bulkshitbullshit to expect that our government actually supports the citizens that pay the taxes rather than the corporations that funnel money in such a way do as to pay little or no taxes!!
Hillary Clinton and her Wall Street buddies are what is good for America whether we like it or not! At least that's what the Democratic Party elite are telling us.
Fuck those people that want their government to help them!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And it don't smell good!
(good post, Victor!)
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)It's going to be followed with a big chaser of sarcasm!!
It helps me to numb the sting.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Munches popcorn
pampango
(24,692 posts)Trump supporters.
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)When Hillary tacks right she will be despised on both sides.
Funny thing is she will prove a liar when she tries to be honest.
pampango
(24,692 posts)the progressive protesters. Normally you just have to keep the supporters and opponents separated.
Mary Mac
(323 posts)nt.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)of Bill and Hill smiling up at the Donald at his wedding...Latinos paying attention.
K&R
Divernan
(15,480 posts)All in all, it's obvious that LA Hispanics are NOT ready for Hillary.
Hillary has been cozy with the world's greatest abusers and human rights violators, and silent about their treatment of their citizens. She and Bill ignored the genocide in Rwanda at the advice of creepy Susan Rice. Hillary has taken "donations" from those who had business with the State Department, so it sure looks like she sells influence. She made millions of dollars from these awful people. What concrete example can anyone give of good that Hillary Clinton has done? Gay rights? She privately said that gays gave her the creeps. Improved the lives of any Americans? No, certainly not. Nothing good, she has done nothing good and neither will Trump. The only candidate with good character and decency seems to be Bernie Sanders.
I am glad to see so many chicanos saying they will not be hispandered too. What a great turn out how embarrassing for Hillary. Now that was a prefect way to celebrate Cinco de Mayo and guess what the revolution has just begun. CA. Latinos are not the same around the country at all, I have been saying this all along. Hispanics generally don't like the Clinton's in Ca.. They don't like hillary's stance on immigration or Nafta. They want legal immigrants in the U.S. and for them to be treated fairly ..they don't want Nafta. They want 15hr. minimum wage. We are talking about people ...some whose families have been here since the 1700's in CA.
Yes her entire record is online, and it shows no accomplishments, well other than getting a rapist off and laughing about it, getting kicked out of the whitewater investigation for lying and doing anything to get what she wants. Don't forget Syria and Libya, two more accomplishments of hers, the creation of ISIS can't forget that one. Yeah your right she has accomplished alot.
As the junior Senator from NY, she was always in the shadow of Chuck Schumer. He did the work, she grabbed the headlines while accomplishing only three things for her carpet bagged NY, she named a post office, a glorified park and a highway. That is it.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)She earned their loathing with her actions. Moral upright people do not vacation with Henry Kissinger and vote for wars built on lies.
These wars and interventions have been ruining our country and draining our treasury for about 14 years. These are serious crimes and over a million people are dead as a result, and the Syrian refugee crisis is her work. This is serious business and loathing is perhaps, unfortunately appropriate.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)That was a terrible slip of her true self
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Kill a million and the Clintons go on vacation with you.
reddread
(6,896 posts)latinos arent playing.
waterloo.
she will be the hardest sell ever in Philadelphia.
the riots will be inside the building this time.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Interesting that you would regurgitate them here...
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)They increase the likelihood that Trump can win. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll earn a 6-3 Right leaning Supreme Court. If that happens, transcripts and a crime bill from a quarter century ago will be the least of your foolish worries.
tom_kelly
(994 posts)to you and everyone else who cast a primary vote for her in the event of a trump GE win. Why are you all so confused over this point?
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Earth to Trust Buster! Clinton is NOT the nominee. She couldn't close the deal in 2008 and she can't do it this time around. Too many negatives. Way to much baggage.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Even the Republicans are smart enough to figure that much out.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Go find the threads that tell how that works. She's not my candidate or nominee. She has to win that pesky prize. Too bad hrc followers find democracy so troublesome
Mary Mac
(323 posts)The thing that will keep repubs from voting for Hillary is fear of a liberal court. That is the only thing Trump has going for him. No conservative is going to be swayed by Sanders but they may fear a liberal court.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)or pending investigations. Such a Bull Shit meme. We are responsible for who we support and their record. There is no defense of her decades of bad decitions/actions...and no way in hell do you count me in for supporting a rabid hawk. Voters don't "vote against" people, hard as that is for the HRC Bubble to comprehend. And we do want an end to the Investigation.
Nor are we responsible for the pick of the Democratic Establishment for someone who has had her "positions" handed to her. By marriage, by carpetbagging and the NY Establishment to Senator, and by appointment as SOS. She lost the only election that was not handed to her on a silver platter. Seems she relies on men to get her where she is.
And the transcripts...they will, like all the other recent garbage, come out. She will never see the White House. The Independents are the ones who always make the call as to who is elected. And they are not fond of HRC, so go find their website and attack them for not wanting to vote for HRC.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Oh and she beats Trump in every swing state. Bernie does not do that and he will never get near the Oval Office. Supers have told him to go pound sand!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I have my Oregon ballot for Bernie right here with me, about to take it to the Elections Office. CA and the protesters pictured above don't vote until next month. You are the one who does not even wish to hear the will of all of the voters, you and your cohort have been declaring the election over since Iowa and yet your candidate does not hold that brass ring. If she did, she'd wave it in the air and call it her own but she does not, so she has to keep reaching for it.
The fact that you carry on like this while hundreds of Democratic volunteers in these and other States are working hard to turnout the vote for both candidate for President and for all the other candidates makes it clear that the good of the Party is not what's on your mind at all, while Democrats are still organizing the election, you are claiming their work is pointless and suppressing interest in the election itself. That's not good no matter how you slice it.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)-You on October 16, 2002, the day the Iraq War Resolution was passed
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Bernie does.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)I care about the future of our country.
I'm not going to vote for a person who defends the policies that are driving this country into the ground.
ananda
(29,041 posts)!!!
McKim
(2,412 posts)When she comes to my town, I will be ready with a banner that tells about her support for war and intervention and her friendship with Henry Kissinger. It will not be a pretty story. I am also making up some very effective pamphlets for the crowd. She must not rule this country and send millions more abroad to their deaths, not on my watch!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)It's the vast number of dead civilians/collateral damage resulting from her New Cold War!
She'd be laughing so hard she couldn't talk!
merrily
(45,251 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)That's GREAT!!!
dinkytron
(568 posts)as willingly as accept one. Must admit though, when I saw my post had a reply, I thought it was a flame.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm surprised this board isn't on fire with all the flames shooting around
trudyco
(1,258 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)I am dead now.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Mmmm...
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)How odd that you are the only impeccable news source claiming something so bizarre. Well, if a Hillary supporter put that in a tweet, it must be exactly what happened, not that the kid just got frightened by a protest and someone (one of the protestors perhaps?) offered comfort.
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)That is because it is indefensible.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Contrary to your denial, the protestors were there to protest Hillary, not to frighten a child, a claim that is ludicrous on its face.
In connection with protesting Hillary, the protestors were chanting "Bernie, Bernie." That a kid got frightened by something he or she had never seen before doesn't mean anything was directed at the child. Ever take a kid to a circus or any other noisy setting that has been totally unfamiliar to the child up to that point? Sometimes they are fascinated and sometimes they break out in tears. Depends on the kid.
I am so glad I don't live in the heads of some Hillary supporters with all that eagerness to find wrongdoing where none exists because they so hate a man running for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. Like Capeheart, so bent on "debunking" a 50 year old photo on which absolutely nothing turned--and failing to "debunk" it anyway. Just one fucking waste of time and energy after another.
And your evidence of this highly implausible wrongdoing is a biased tweet that you don't question at all, even for a second? Like the tweet that falsely claimed that Bernie supporters were yelling "Speak English" that was debunked in about sixty seconds?
Ok.
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)Once they got there, they screamed at everyone coming out of the Hillary rally, including little kids.
merrily
(45,251 posts)tweet. Again, I'm so very glad that I don't live in that kind of head space. Have a great night. :hi"
SunSeeker
(52,211 posts)Mary Mac
(323 posts)We're with you and you've got to concentrate on Trump. At this point any criticism of Bernie is a bad idea. There is nothing to be gained by engaging him. He is on his own trajectory with his adoring voters. But Hil you've got to persuade the others that you are a Steady Hand. Stay steady. Eye on the Prize.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)Your post is telling.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Mary Mac
(323 posts)I have been in integrated schools since the seventies and Trump is a rracist Nazi. So if you aren't a troll please don't tell me what I think.
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)Good to know.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)That one is getting boring.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)yall's meme! You would think they are going to give an Asshole Award at the Convention in July.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Jesus, can you really be that dense?
jalan48
(13,990 posts)She's in for a rough ride if she wins the Presidency-Hope and Change has already been taken.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)She's going to lose to Trump, big time. So just get the fuck out of the way.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)We wouldn't be seeing this
merrily
(45,251 posts)Where is it written a campaign stop should not be protested? People demonstrate inside Congress, ffs. If it's disorderly, arrest them. If it's orderly, get over it.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)Minorities dare not ruffle the feathers of the privileged white political class and their bootlickers.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Just stirring up the rift between the candidates?
Just more mud thrown at Bernie?
RandySF
(61,712 posts)Over which order she puts her shoes on. If you do nothing but scream, people will eventually stop listening.
JustAnotherGen
(32,345 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Truth seems to be something American's cannot handle.
Birds of a feather, fighting over the nest they seek.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)They were pawns all along. We have Hillary supporters in this thread saying latino youth want "free stuff".
Racist bullshit.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)David__77
(23,795 posts)The Democratic Party is not a single entity, in my opinion. And the self-identified progressive or left movements are very diverse in nature, and not somehow satellites of the Democratic Party. It doesn't surprise me that there would be some people with Bernie Sanders signs. I'm sure there are also people who will vote third party in November or who won't vote at all.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)You're joking, right????
********
"Sanders campaign spokesman Michael Briggs wrote in an email that such inquiries are "standard" and the campaign would address the FEC's questions. He noted that 85,391-page report covering the month of January listed over 125,000 separate contributions.
(snip)
Briggs said the contributions in question involved about 200 donors who appeared to have gone over the contribution limit.
*********
OMG! 200 out of 125,000 might have gone over the limit!
Well, at least he didn't vote for the unnecessary and longest armed conflict ever, based on lies, or champion bigotry against gays.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)CA is Bernie country.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Change your tone!
Get in line!
Do as you are told!
2cannan
(344 posts)Igel
(35,540 posts)Says a lot right there.
Surprised the person who said that is even pro-Sanders since, after all, he's not a Mexican politician and so why should part of Mexico vote for him?
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)maybe the Big Dog rubbed off a little too much...at least he knew (past tense) how to deliver the bullshit when he needed to...
he seems to have lost his touch...and Hillary never had it...
she may or may not win...but to paraphrase an old axiom: "You can PANDER to some of the people all of the time...and you can PANDER to all of the people some of the time...but you can't PANDER to all of the people ALL of the time...they will catch on to your bullshit."
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)if there was this much outrage over the much-reviled "super predator" remark back when, you know, it actually happened back in 1994...
I guess it kind of fell by the wayside since the republicans of the day were saying much worse things about African-Americans...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and stage a similar protest the next time Trump is in SoCal...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)manufactured consent only goes so far.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)boomer55
(592 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)that's melting on all sides.
The more people on all sides see of her, the less they like her.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)With all the resources available, how are so many in politics so out of touch with what's happening outside their walls? It's as if they are selective about reality, the one place where you simply cannot do that is government.
It boggles my mind.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I won't be silenced, I'll continue to call it as I see it, and I've already been called much, much worse on this forum...
This is pure, 100% teabagger-mob style shit, which *used* to be something we actually condemned on DU... If these assclowns put the kind of effort into backing Sanders and hating Trump that they do into harassing Clinton supporters, he might not be in the hole he's in now...
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)And I heard she didn't inspire enthusiasm!
DownriverDem
(6,282 posts)We all need to focus on Trump v Hillary.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Hmmm
DownriverDem
(6,282 posts)It's Trump v Hillary. Bernie said he would not do anything that would help Trump. Good. Now Bernie needs to go. His ideas will play a very important part at the Dem Convention. Hillary doesn't need to be attacked from the left and the right. Even Bernie and his staff know it's over. Only his supporters don't know. Please Bernie leave with class and dignity. Your supporters need to know the truth.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)As weird as it must sound to you, Sanders doesn't have a "bat signal" that unleashes protestors at Clinton. Seems that she manages to generate antipathy on her own, despite trump, despite being "inevitable".
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)pnwmom
(109,068 posts)should speak out against it.
Lining both sides of a long, narrow roadway and screaming at the Hillary supporters who had to walk the gauntlet was not okay.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)Go on...
pnwmom
(109,068 posts)of Bernie protestors shipped in from wherever.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,876 posts)pnwmom
(109,068 posts)How they're attacking other Latino Hillary supporters in California.
That's what they do.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)can someone explain what that means?
glowing
(12,233 posts)From the article: "The protesters -- some of whom carried pro-Bernie Sanders signs -- spanned the spectrum in terms of their key issues: Some were protesting Clinton's refusal so far to release her speaking engagement transcripts and her ties to Wall Street, while others took issue with Clinton's "super-predator" remarks in 1994, and the crime bill her then-president husband signed that year. Others also headed to Clinton's rally to protest her involvement in the 2009 Honduras coup, and to accuse her of pandering to the Hispanic community."
These are real issues. AND if or when President, she will face these types of protests along with the right everywhere she goes.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And I can't help but wonder what people here, who have admitted they make a good living and work for Hillary...how they they reconcile the message from the Thomas Frank video?
coffeeAM
(180 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)that the discussion move to how Bernie and his platform are going to be accommodated at the convention in terms of policy and cabinet makeup
Hillary is an opportunist and a small c conservative at heart That is a fact
But if Bernie wins the nomination, which is highly unlikely, the Trump line would be Bernie the Communist 24/7 Not true but red meat to the Tea Partiers and racist base. They would use it to bring out the RW vote to historic highs and it would work.
Sounds defeatist but I think pushing Hillary to the left and getting Liz Warren into cabinet if the Dems don't get a senate majority is the best plan
To clarify my wife is a hard left ex union president and I am no stranger to Marxism and new Left political history So both my wife and I are suspicious of Hillary's right-wing preferences when she's in power
Her record of pushing for Assad's overthrow is entirely too adamant without reason and has contributed to the near destruction of Syria
In addition to that everyone I have talked to who is interested in American politics is in favour of Bernie Sanders Maybe the Trudeau effect, I don't know but the self serving heavy hand of conservative is dead for a generation up here
Still the best plan is beat Trump, win the senate and get the lower and supreme courts back in balance The American left will be in dire straights if the SC vacancies left by Scalia, Ginsberg and Kennedy are filled by hard line conservatives
hughee99
(16,113 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)Poor dears.
Loki
(3,825 posts)I saw a young boy coming out of the rally and these protesters scared him and made him cry. Does that make you all proud? Ugly assed behavior.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Others have said that the 2016 Democratic Convention will be a replay of the 1968 one because they feel that Bernie voters have been disenfranchised, that vote counts have been altered, and that DWS has made it clear that only establishment candidates are permitted to be the Democratic nominee.
While the media is crowing about the demise of the Republican Party, I fear that the same may be true for the Democratic Party. Gee, I hope not.
wyldwolf
(43,875 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(18,916 posts)are going to be like. You know they are going to be just as mean and rude.