Trump tells crowd Clinton wants to 'abolish' Second Amendment

[TomCADem]

Source: The Hill

Donald Trump threw a new claim Hillary Clinton's way at a Saturday rally, telling the crowd that she wants to do away with the Second Amendment.

"Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment. She wants to abolish it," Trump said at a Saturday rally in Lynden, Wash.

"Hillary Clinton wants to take your guns away and she wants to abolish the Second Amendment. She wants to take the bullets away."
"We're going to cherish the Second Amendment, we're going to take care of the Second Amendment."

Clinton is in favor of universal background checks, closing loopholes on gun purchases and increasing restrictions on domestic abusers and the mentally ill. And she wants to repeal the law that prevents victims of gun violence from suing retailers or manufacturers, among other measures.

Read more: http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/279139-trump-tells-rally-crowd-clinton-wants-to-abolish-second

[Kingofalldems]

1. Alex Jones.

[thucythucy]

2. I thought President Obama was supposed to do that.

Where's this guy been for the past eight years?

[mac56]

8. "You had ONE job, Mr. President. ONE."

[Release The Hounds]

36. Touche.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

9. Gun and ammo sales skyrocketed when Obama was elected and re-elected

There was no ammunition left on the shelves. Seriously. What are these guys afraid of? If the military is tasked with patrolling a city, do they think their pitiful arsenal is going to do any good?

I'm not against guns, just gun insanity.

[scscholar]

3. Maybe this month...

but last month she didn't.

[houston16revival]

4. This election becomes a game of defining the opposition, credibility,

and gullibility

anything can happen when arousing the passions

The press may never call out exaggerations, distortions or even outright lies

We are in a horse race to be sure

[GoneOffShore]

49. And many are betting on the wrong horse.

[tomm2thumbs]

5. "We're going to cherish the Second Amendment"

[forest444]

26. Nice!

Dammit. Where have all the good songwriters gone.

This was before my time; but it always reminds me of my high school English teacher, as this was her favorite song. Whenever anyone got a little sassy with her, she'd look at you with a facetious little smile and sing the first line.

[C Moon]

43. I haven't listened to that song in so long. First time on headphones...

Wow. The panning of instruments right and left is extreme.
All the vocals are up front.
Great song.
Thanks for posting!

[oldandhappy]

6. oh my, this is going to be a long six months.

Thank you for the last paragraph. So many times things are passed along without clarification.

[MrScorpio]

7. Im having the hardest time believing him when he says he wants to get elected president

It's like he's throwing shit on a wall just to see if it'll stick.

[rurallib]

22. Whether he wants to or not the media needs a horse race to sell all that ad time

so they will try to make it into a horse race. And Trump, he'll play along.
and with all the hacked voting machines and voter suppression, he may just win.

Oh lordy

[mainstreetonce]

10. It is. The same lie

every gun jerk on the Internet tells.

[msongs]

11. the right wing hillary haters already believe that, the left wing hillary haters wont care about

this issue

[cprise]

70. We care that her crazy talk about gun mfgs handed Trump ammunition.

[tabasco]

12. This year, we're going to find out just how gullible are the American people.

I'm frightened by what we will discover.

[7962]

13. They say this every 2 yrs, "The Dems will take away the 2nd Amendment"

[ErikJ]

14. The Jews noted: The meek shall inherit the earth

Cuz people with guns/weapons tend to wipe themselves out.

[oberliner]

17. Wasn't that the Christians?

Matthew, right?

[ErikJ]

20. Matthew was a Jew though.

And its pretty well documented that owning a gun is several times more dangerous to the owner than not having one.
Wikipedia:

Most scholars believe the Gospel of Matthew was composed between 80 and 90 AD, with a range of possibility between 70 to 110 AD (a pre-70 date remains a minority view).[2][3] The anonymous author was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values, and familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time.[4] Writing in a polished Semitic "synagogue Greek",[5] he drew on three main sources, the Gospel of Mark, the hypothetical collection of sayings known as the Q source, and material unique to his own community, called "Special Matthew", or the M source.[6]

The Gospel of Matthew is a creative reinterpretation of Mark,[7] stressing Jesus' teachings as much as his acts,[8] and making subtle changes to reveal his divine nature – Mark's "young man" who appears at Jesus' tomb, for example, becomes a radiant angel in Matthew.[9] The divine nature of Jesus was a major issue for the community of Matthew, the crucial element marking them from their Jewish neighbors;[10] the Gospel of Mark recounts prior revelations in Jesus' lifetime on earth, at his baptism and transfiguration, but Matthew goes back further still, showing Jesus as the Son of God from his birth, the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy.

[oberliner]

23. The Gospel according to Matthew is a foundational Christian text

Generally speaking it is more associated with Christianity than Judaism, as Jews do not believe that Jesus was the son of God, nor do they believe that he fulfills any Old Testament prophecy.

[ErikJ]

24. But Matthew was probably Jewish so it was probably in

Jewish tradition that the meek shall inherit the earth. Jesus was a good example. The early Christians let the Romans walk all over them in the early years. Yet they predomionated.

[jtuck004]

28. Y'all need to settle down before someone gets crucified. Or not. lol. n/t

[Major Nikon]

31. It was a reflection of the powerlessness of that early sect of Judaism

...which later morphed into Christianity once Jesus was deified a couple of centuries later. Once Christians became the dominate power structure they forgot about pretty much everything Jesus commanded them to do.

“In truth,there was only one christian and he died on the cross.”
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[former9thward]

50. Its pretty well documented that owning a car is several times more dangerous to the owner

than not having one. Anyone can do anything with statistics depending on your agenda.

[ErikJ]

53. Well I've heard that owning a gun is

up to 45 times more likely to injure or kill a family member than to be actually used in legitimate self-defense from intruders. Domestic dispute, suicide, accidents much more likely than family self-defense.
Cars are 100000 times more likely to be used in family transportation than to be in fatal accident.

[former9thward]

56. Interesting the things you have "heard".

Especially since no state, local or federal law enforcement body records such a statistic. I have defended my household against a home invader one time with the use of a gun. I did not call the police afterwards because I was sure the situation would not be repeated by the individual and I had no use for the police at that time.

I have had guns since my father gave me one at 6 years old and that was sixty years ago. In that time none of my guns have ever been used in domestic disputes, suicide, or accidents. That is the experience with most of the scores of millions of Americans who own guns. I don't bother with statistics (love the "100,000" nice round number internet statistic) because in the gun debate everyone throws their own set of statistics into the mix and no one cares.

[ErikJ]

57. I believe it was the CDC that came up with those numbers

in the 1990's. The NRA was so shocked they immediately sent their powerful lobbyists to outlaw anymore CDC research on gun stats. Or they had the CDC gun research $ so deeply cut that no CDC research has been done on it since. Its like the Kremlin KGB came down on the CDC so hard it had a deeply chilling effect on the CDC even mentioning guns. Nobody there would touch gun research with a 10 foot pole.

Point is guns main purpose is self-defense like cars is transportaion. But guns actually have the opposite effect of their intended purpose.

[beevul]

58. Thats a myth.

I believe it was the CDC that came up with those numbers in the 1990's.

That's Kellerman, thoroughly discredited. I don't know if the CDC used his work or not, but I do note that the CDC says there are almost 70 thousand defensive gun uses annually:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172191826

The NRA was so shocked they immediately sent their powerful lobbyists to outlaw anymore CDC research on gun stats.

Not factually true. From the actual law as passed:

“None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

[ErikJ]

59. Thats funny because I hear of news almost daily of murder-suicides

and very rarely if ever hear of guns being used for their intended purpose of self-defense from invaders or assaults.

[beevul]

60. Do you think the nra got to the VPC?

In a country of 300 million people who possess 300 million guns, 70 thousandish defensive gun uses annually is not outlandish regardless what one "hears".

(on edit: I misspoke. It wasn't the cdc, it was the anti-gun VPC.)

[ErikJ]

61. Research shows guns not much use in self-defense.

Gunfight or Flee: New Study Finds No Advantages to Using a Firearm in Self-Defense Situations
The research provides the latest evidence debunking the myth of defensive gun use.

BY EVAN DEFILIPPIS AND DEVIN HUGHES·July 14, 2015

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/

[beevul]

62. "The study, led by David Hemenway..."

I need read no more. Hemenway is about as unbiased and un-ideological, as DU or FR.

Meanwhile, this uses actual real life unbiased statistics from the FBI, and reports 338,700 defensive uses over 5 years:

http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

That's just shy of 70 thousand a year, which is roughly double the number of total gun deaths, and roughly 7 times the number of murders by gun, annually.

[ErikJ]

63. Less than 1% of attempted or completed crimes.

From the article:

In his new NCVS study, Hemenway also found that defensive gun use is exceedingly infrequent. While smaller private surveys estimated that there are up to 2.5 million DGUs on an annual basis, the NCVS data indicates that victims used guns defensively in less than 1 percent of attempted or completed crimes, with an annual total of less than 70,000.

By using the NCVS data, Hemenway’s analysis has several key advantages over other study examining DGUs. Even the best-designed surveys fail to produce reliable estimates for defensive gun use because they inadvertently capture a large number of false positives, producing final estimates that don’t comport with reality. The most famous one-off study on this subject, conducted by criminologists Gary Kleck and Mark Gertz in 1992, estimated that guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. But as we’ve written before, we now know that number to be mathematically impossible in light of reliable empirical data like hospital records, victimization surveys, gun violence archives, and police records.

[beevul]

64. According to a known anti-gun hack...

According to a known anti-gun hack who can not be trusted on the subject of guns.

[ErikJ]

65. lol. As if the NRA can be trusted for anything.

Except buying congress members for the benefit of the for-profit gun industry.

[beevul]

66. I haven't cited the nra, I've cited the FBI.

I trust you know the difference.

[ErikJ]

67. For what?

The gang murders that take place every day severely skew all straight stats requiring much more careful analysis like Hemenways.

[beevul]

68. For defensive gun uses.

Using "hemenway" and "careful" in the same sentence is funny.

[ErikJ]

69. Personal experience shows Hemenway

much less biased than the pro-death for profit industry.
I've known 3 who shot themselves one a murder -suicide. So guess that would be 4. Never known anybody who used a gun in self-defense. Not even close. Hemenway has a lot less to profit than the NRA/gun industry does which like the Koch's oil empire has hundreds of billions to lose.

[beevul]

71. What personal experience do you have with hemenway...

Personal experience shows Hemenway much less biased than the pro-death for profit industry.

What personal experience do you have with hemenway, with which to compare the two?

None? That's what I thought.

In other words, you were just talking shit, otherwise known as going into "say something, even if its wrong" mode, weren't you?

I've known 3 who shot themselves one a murder -suicide. So guess that would be 4. Never known anybody who used a gun in self-defense. Not even close.

Interesting. My list is a little longer than that, but then, its longer on the defensive use side as well. I myself have had multiple DGUs here on the farm, that I'm quite sure nobody counted, though they weren't necessarily "defense of self". In addition, I know, personally, several individuals who have had defensive gun uses.

Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence, regardless of who is or isn't keeping count.

Hemenway has a lot less to profit than the NRA/gun industry does which like the Koch's oil empire has hundreds of billions to lose.

Hemenway is a rabid anti-gun ideologue, so profit doesn't even enter into it.

[LeftyMom]

32. Uh, most of the OT is "hey, you see that tribe over there? Let's kill them and take their patch."

The meek inheriting the earth is the NT, and you can just about safely assume anything to do with power in the NT is a swipe at the Romans.

[Flatpicker]

15. Guess Don is

Expecting some big NRA money shortly.

Either that or he's planning on selling Trump ammo.

"Trump bullets are YUUGE! There the classiest bullets you could ever use for taking out loads of minorities, women, and children. They are so large that I can't even lift them with my little baby fingers."

I'm gonna hate this election cycle.

[awoke_in_2003]

16. It won't be necessary...

any day now, Obama is finally going to get around to taking away the guns.


At least that is what I keep hearing

[Xipe Totec]

18. Trump tells... The preamble to some fucking lie

Mind you, I'm not a fan of HRC.

But any headline that begins: Trump says, Trump opines, Trump farts, Trump "thinks"...

Is a preamble to some garbage that may just as well be skipped for the benefit of all.

[Skittles]

19. it is not hard to scare paranoid gun humpers

biggest cowards on the planet

[madville]

21. Nothing much will happen in regard to the second

During a Hillary presidency. I would expect Congress to swing heavily to the Republicans in the 2018 midterms if she wins this year, that's pretty typical, like 2010.

[Geronimoe]

25. Does this mean

The Clinton Foundation can not be an arms dealer?

[HooptieWagon]

27. She flip-flops all over.

Very possible for some crowd she spouted repealing the 2nd Amendment. But she flip-flopped again the next night. Hard keeping up with her super turbine weathervane spinning.

[virtualobserver]

30. Trump's attack is completely unfair.....

....depending on which state Hillary is in when he says it.

[Darb]

34. And another.

It's an epidemic.

[Darb]

33. And there goes another nose.

Less than smart. You look better with it.

[sufrommich]

55. "Very possible for some crowd she spouted repealing the 2nd Amendment"

Only pea brains like Ted Nugent and freepers actually believe that ridiculous claim.

[jtuck004]

29. In Spokane, yes? That's like preaching to the choir here. And the North Idaho brigade is

just a highway ride down the road for support.

[Hugin]

35. Please proceed, Presumptive Nominee.

I refuse to react to the blob... Thereby, denying him of the blob he needs to survive.

[Person 2713]

37. She is for increasing restrictions on domestic abusers and the mentally ill. That's the Trump crowd

demos so I can understand why it would rile his voters

[billhicks76]

46. Lol

I'm more worried about Hillary taking away my weed and freedom from surveillance. The truth is Bush would've taken away everyone's guns if he could've gotten away with it.

[Jack Rabbit]

38. It's utterly ridiculous and won't gain Trump anything

There are a lot of voters willing to believe that canard, but they're going to vote for Trump anyway and made up their minds long ago.

[olddad56]

39. Notice that he only alledges what others will do and he hs no real plan of his own

[tomm2thumbs]

40. whatta dolt

it's at 42:30 -- don't watch the rest, it's a nightmare of self-adoration gone wild

he made it sound like a huge crowd, but the picture doesn't lie

[Little Tich]

41. Trump is such a rabble-rouser. n/t

[Xolodno]

42. Given the last amendment that was over turned was Prohibition.....

...no chance in hell it could be overturned. Add to that it's the second amendment, part of the founding fathers...and then lets throw in the only part of the original Constitution that allowed slaves...which took a war to essentially overturn...

Don't see it being abolished any time soon. And if fact, at best, be regulated into a "semi-ban"...where the owners are allowed to store and use their guns at "appropriate" venues.

But given that, Trump (and Tea Party) supporters don't have enough "functionality" to figure that out. And think whoever the next President is going to "take away their guns"...because a local politician said so...despite the obvious hurdles...

well, what can I say.

[Hydra]

44. While I find this ironically funny since there have been calls for this on DU

I don't think Madame President Presumptive is interested in funding such a fight.

[C Moon]

45. I think his ability to lie through laughs is going to make this a closer election...

than the polls are showing.
The likes of this ilk have never entered the arena of President of the U.S.
Whoever wins the Dem side had better be ready.
I find the freak frightening—not funny.

[braddy]

48. Something to remember is that the media will turn against him, and he will be facing a pro

at the same time, a pro with a billion dollars at her disposal and the never yet released DNC opposition research on Donald J. Trump's almost gangster life.

Trump is getting ready to meet a machine that he has never seen before, and which his lounge lizard Mussolini act, and 70 year sleazy life, will not hold up to well.

[TeamPooka]

47. He loves the poorly educated. nt

[jpak]

51. Hell YEAH!!!!1111

[Thinkingabout]

52. Lyin' tRump, nothing new with him, his talking points are few, his agenda is less.

[TeddyR]

54. Not a Hillary fan

But the idea that she wants to abolish the Second Amendment is simply ridiculous. And even if she DID want to do away with the Second Amendment, it isn't like she can pull out her magic president wand and wish it away. She'd have to get Congress on board (not going to happen) as well as 38 states (REALLY not going to happen). But Trump supporters will believe that she's going to send in the black helicopters with UN troops to seize your firearms because, well, they aren't particularly bright. And yes, I'm a supporter of the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms.

[yurbud]

72. restrictions on domestic abusers & mentally ill sounds like taking guns away from Trump supporters.