BREAKING: Clinton wins the Democratic #NebraskaPrimary. @AP race call at 9:49 p.m.

[onehandle]

Source: AP

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[Renew Deal]

1. Bernie stole the delegates in NE with a low turnout caucus

When Democratic voters vote, Hillary wins.

[JimDandy]

60. No. What happens is that the caucus voters don't show up to vote in the primary because they know

it doesn't count for anything. Same thing happens in WA state, which has a binding caucus first, then a non-binding primary weeks later.

[Renew Deal]

62. More people voted in the primary so far than the caucus

[JimDandy]

72. Again, I've explained what happens.

Doesn't matter to me whether you understand or not tho.

[Renew Deal]

73. Your explanation doesn't make sense.

It would make sense if fewer people showed up to vote in the non-binding primary. But more people showed up for the non-binding caucus that "doesn't matter" than the binding caucus that matters.

[JimDandy]

75. What this means for your candidate, is she didn't inform her voters

that the Caucus counted and not the Primary. She needed to run a better ground campaign. This happened also in WA. A large number of Clinton's supporters are elderly. When I was canvassing for Bernie I came across numerous elderly voters where the conversation would go like this:

Me: Hi, I'm canvassing for Bernie... Can he count on your vote at the caucus?

Elderly Voter: I'm voting for Hillary, but what's this you're saying. Where is my ballot?

After seeing how much time I wasted explaining to the first one of my opponent's voters about the caucus versus the primary, I stopped doing that and simply said thanks and waved bye as soon as they said they were for Clinton and started asking about a ballot.

[Renew Deal]

93. From the other thread: There is no reason to argue the things we agree on.

I acknowledge that Bernie won the caucus that counted. Do you acknowledge that more people voted in the primary that didn't count?

You say she didn't inform her voters, but under your logic, Bernie didn't either. More Bernie supproters showed up at the primary than the caucus. Why is that?

[JimDandy]

94. Thoroughly answered already. Move on. Bye.

[Renew Deal]

100. Yes, the answer is that caucuses are anti-democratic you can not make an honest argument to counter

So you pretend that the smaller number is bigger. It's called intellectual dishonesty.

[xocet]

102. No, it is not intellectual dishonesty. You just seem to simply be ignoring his argument. n/t

[Renew Deal]

103. Take your best shot

Please explain how the smaller number is greater.

[dchill]

2. How many people voted and on what kind of machines?...

In this NON BINDING primary.

[hrmjustin]

3. Looks like they may get 65,000 to 75,000 voters. Edited for error.

33,000 voted in the caucus.

[dchill]

10. Be precise. Or don't post.

33,460 voted in the caucus.

"Winner called by A.P.
The Nebraska Democratic presidential primary is not reported because its results are non-binding. Bernie Sanders won the Nebraska Democratic caucuses on March 5."

[hrmjustin]

12. My mistake but the numbers in now suggest the primary will have more voters than the caucus.

[dchill]

13. OK, but it's not binding. It's not a new election.

It doesn't detract from Sanders' win in WV. It's just optics for HRC fans.

[hrmjustin]

16. It is nonbinding but it will be interesting to see how his campaign explains the loss.

And it shows caususes should be abolished.

[dchill]

18. He WON Nebraska on March 5.

That's how he'll "explain" it. It's not a loss. It's not a win for Clinton, either. It just doesn't count.

[hrmjustin]

20. .

[silvershadow]

37. That's right, and it won't. It is a real non-issue. nt

[misterhighwasted]

77. Oh, but it will definately count in the GE when Hillary meets Trump

Dems voted for the Dem candidate and in the GE these #'s matter.
See?
As far as the Primary goes, its over. Hillary is the Dem candidate for the GE race.
Good #'s for for her tonight translate into good Dem #'s in November.
Trump has one demographic. Hillary has everyone else.
For a red state, these NE Dem #'s are good.
Nov 2016

[Scootaloo]

33. Except of course that Sanders won, back in March.

[hrmjustin]

35. Indeed he did. It is just an interesting result.

[Scootaloo]

38. Yup. So is the fact that a cat in Texas has lived to the age of 30

[Omaha Steve]

44. Like I've her several Hillary DUers say

It was over March!

[hrmjustin]

45. But you do have to admit it is a suprise she won tonight.

[Omaha Steve]

50. Sanders is cutting into the lead

I'll wait t out. Western NE always comes in slow.

[hrmjustin]

52. Ap called it but I like you to see all the results.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2016/by_county/NE_Page_0510.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

[Omaha Steve]

57. OK a bit surprised

But there was no reason for Bernie people to go to the polls. Two of the three House seats will remain in R control. The lone D is a Dino.

There no no Governor's race this year etc.

I'm calling it a night (I think)

[hrmjustin]

61. Rest well Steve!

[cstanleytech]

17. Actually the WV results dont detract from these results for Hillary since this thread is

about the results from a completely different state.
Of course if your goal is to defend Bernie whenever it might be a positive thread for Hillary in order to try and detract from that news please feel free to continue, alot of us here on the DU though dont care which of them wins and becomes President because we realize that they both would do a far better job than any ones running on the Republicans ticket.

[William769]

4. Thats what happens when people actually vote.

There is no ganging up on people when in a room.

[Firebrand Gary]

5. Tells you everything you need to know about caucuses!

WTG Secretary Clinton and team!

[CrowCityDem]

6. If Bernie means what he says...

He will see this, and tomorrow he will publicly, and loudly, call for an end to caucuses. As concerned as he is with open primaries, he owes it to voters to make it clear caucuses are the ultimate for of disenfranchisement, and a an embarrassment to democracy.

[beastie boy]

22. Moreover, he should release the number of delegates he won in March

to, as he might put it, reflect the will of the voters in Nebraska.

Altrnatively, he should quit giving the same reason to justify his expectations of superdelegates switching to him.

[anotherproletariat]

70. Exactly. He needs to show us that his actions match his talk. nt

[Kingofalldems]

7. You mean republicans couldn't vote in a Democratic primary?

[Feeling the Bern]

69. Neither can independents, which are 35-40% of the electorate and don't trust HRC

Good luck winning them over.

Bernie does well with them. . .very well. But just like Bernie supporters, independents don't matter to HRC Democrats who support someone who:

was a proud Goldwater Girl,
was on the Wal-mart BOD,
voted for the Iraq War, supported DOMA/DADT,
loves her some Kissinger and Nancy Reagan,
uses racist language like "super predators" to describe black people,
supported welfare "reform" pushed by Newt Gingrich,
gets endorsements from Cheney and the Kochs,
and is not actively trying to get Bush's donors on her side.

Yeah, she's a real Democrat with real liberal, progressive values.

[Kingofalldems]

71. How lame.

[Feeling the Bern]

76. Nice comeback. Refute it.

[Sancho]

8. Real Democratic voters!! No arm twisting caucus, no RWers voting in the Democratic primary.

Those are true progressives!!

[Omaha Steve]

99. I knew there was a reason Hillary barely won IOWA

"arm twisting caucus"

[Warren Stupidity]

9. lol. Nonbinding nobody cares doesn't matter NE primary. Congratulations Mrs. Clinton!

[dchill]

15. +1 *snort*

[onehandle]

19. Secretary of State Clinton. nt

[chwaliszewski]

48. Former S o S Clinton

To be precise.

[obamanut2012]

82. No, it's Secretary Clinton

That is the correct title usage.

[chwaliszewski]

83. Not to me it is

John Kerry is the S o S. Hillary is the former S o S.

[Hare Krishna]

79. Ms. Clinton!

She has not earned the Secretary of State title due to her massive fuckups in Honduras, Libya, Syria, Iran and the Ukraine.

[tavernier]

81. Sean Hannity!

I didn't recognize you with your alias!

[hrmjustin]

21. Why did Mr. Sanders lose?

[retrowire]

26. i would say because...

What state has a caucus and then a primary?

Is this binding? Does it reward actual delegates?

[hrmjustin]

28. No it is not binding.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. It's just for strutting?

[hrmjustin]

43. It is required by law to be held.

[Scootaloo]

29. Probably because his supporters didn't show up for a nonbinding primary that offers no delegates?

Just a thought.

[hrmjustin]

31. Actually when all is said and done more people will vote for Sanders tonight than in the caucus.

So that would be a big no.

[Scootaloo]

36. However you want to spin it, I guess

[hrmjustin]

41. You put forward a theory and I said it is not true based on the numbers.

That is not spin.

[Scootaloo]

47. It is spin

You asked why Sanders "lost" a primary that means nothing.

I told you why.

You then try to counter by contrasting these numbers and results with those from the caucus, which was meaningful and awarded delegates.

These are two very different scenarios, as I'm sure you know. Had today's primary been meaningful, the results could very well have been very different.

You're trying to change the parameters of the discussion so you can claim a "win".

Now. Question for you. Why is it when Sanders won Nebraska back in March, clinton people on DU dismissed it out of hand "because of demographics" (i.e., evil fucking white people live there! Argh! Snarl!) but now apparently Nebraska is meaningful and important for you guys?

[hrmjustin]

55. You said that he probably lost because his fans did not show up for a nonbinding election.

My point which forgive me I probably did not make clear is that more people voted for him tonight than in the caucus. So they showed up.

It is their statewide primary day for different races.

Not spin.

[Scootaloo]

58. And had the end result tonoght been meaningful, there could very likely have been a different result

When you change the parameters, it becomes a totally different experiment, see? Especially when it's a pretty big parameter, such as one election mattering, and another election being meaningless.

Now, since you responded while I was editing... Why is it when Bernie wins Nebraska, Clinton supporters chalk it up to "demographics" (i.e., evil fucking white people live there) but now, apparently the exact same state is meaninggful and worth discussion?

[hrmjustin]

63. Because it is shocking she won. Is it meaningful in terms of delegates, no.

But it is interesting she won.

[Scootaloo]

65. Your posts higher in the thread seem to indicate you thought otherwise

You know, demanding Bernie take a position on their basis, speculating how Bernie is going to "explain his loss," etc.

[hrmjustin]

68. Demand? I make no demands. I am just talking.

Just blabbing jibberish for fun.

[brush]

87. Don't you mean more will vote for Clinton?

[hrmjustin]

89. Yes she did but my point was more people voted last night than in the caucus.

Last edited Wed May 11, 2016, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

[brush]

90. More voted last night in the primary than in the caucus, right?

[hrmjustin]

91. About 77,000 last night. 33,000 in the caucus.

[brush]

95. Pls edit the title of your previous post

[hrmjustin]

96. Which number and why?

[brush]

97. #89. It says more voted last night than in the primary

Should it say more voted last night than in the caucus?

[hrmjustin]

98. Done and thanks.

[beastie boy]

11. How much did Hillary spend on her campaign in Nebraska again?

And by how much did Bernie outspend Hillary to buy his defeat?

[Chicago1980]

14. Shows more people vote in primaries than caucuses.

[retrowire]

23. but Bernie won Nebraska?

And now I'm seeing that both sides equally complain that caucuses suck when their candidate loses.

[hrmjustin]

24. He won the delegates on March 5th. They had a caucus.

Today the legally required primary was held and she won it.

[retrowire]

25. so...

States hold both caucuses and primaries?

What does this do with the delegates that were distributed?

[hrmjustin]

27. Nebraska like Washington state Democrats decided to hold caucuses. The DNC approved.

By law the primary has to be held in both states.

Sanders won the caucuses so he gets most of the delegates.

[retrowire]

30. well thanks for filling me in.

Would all registered voters of these states be informed of these unofficial primaries?

[hrmjustin]

32. I assume so. more people are voting tonight than in the caucus.

[retrowire]

34. why would they do so if they knew the votes changed nothing? nt

[hrmjustin]

39. It is their local primary day.

[retrowire]

51. what is a local primary day? nt

[hrmjustin]

59. Primaries for local and federal races.

[TheFarseer]

40. You realize it doesn't count right?

I voted at the caucus. Why would I go out and vote again for nothing? Had it counted, I, my wife and lots of other Bernie supporters would have went out and voted. Instead it was only a bunch of older folks that had nothing else to do all day. OMG. So desperate and you're winning. I'm afraid if Hillary were behind, people would be jumping off tall buildings.

[LaydeeBug]

49. Why *would* you go vote when it means nothing? Bernie *can't* win

It's not "an uphill battle". It is *impossible*. So why is this going on?

The writing is on the wall...and there are many with the perspective to read it.

[TheFarseer]

67. It's probably over, yes

But it's nice that California etc actually get to vote and it sort of counts. It would be such a slap in the face to all the folks that donated and attended rallies to drop out while there is still a small chance. At least that's my take.

[Herman4747]

80. It does NOT mean nothing to vote for Bernie!!!

At a minimum, Bernie's voters will have an impact on Hillary, as she shall seek to obtain votes from at least some of them in November.
This is why, at times, she decides to be "progressive." Just recently with health care coverage policy.
(Of course we both know how extremely dishonest Hillary Clinton is, so any movement left must be "taken with a grain of salt.&quot

[LaydeeBug]

85. In that it will NOT secure him the nod, it certainly does

But I am happy to see him work out her left arm, so to speak.

[spyker29]

64. So you only vote for president?

[TheFarseer]

66. There's not contested primaries for dems in nebraska

Generally they have hard time finding anyone credible to run.

[hrmjustin]

74. They had local primaries today and more people turned out to vote in the Dem primary than in the

caucus.

[brush]

88. The primary is for the rest of the contests — down-ticket races

Seems some in the states want a say earlier in the presidential race so they hold an earlier caucus for the presidential race.

It seems to make little sense and a waste of money except the parties pay for caucuses and legally mandated primaries are paid for by the states.

[LaydeeBug]

46. and since Bernie won the causcus months ago, it doesn't help her math

But she is still winning anyway. Math is math.

[morningfog]

56. She had not clinched. Bernie has not been mathematically eliminated.

[morningfog]

54. Lol

[Lordquinton]

78. Maybe fix your misleading title?

Had to read the comments here to see what this was all about.

[Act_of_Reparation]

84. Kind of gives a new definition to "breaking news"

As in, "the news is broken."

[liberal N proud]

101. Has been for some time

[left-of-center2012]

86. This isn't even 'news', especially BREAKING NEWS n/t

[rockfordfile]

92. Congrats to Clinton

[dchill]

104. Hope you all didn't spend too much time or money on that.

[AtomicKitten]

105. Bernie won the caucuses in March. Hers was a symbolic victory; she gets no delegates.

Clinton wins Nebraska primary but gets no delegates
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/279468-clinton-wins-nebraska-primary-but-gets-no-delegates
Hillary Clinton won a symbolic victory Tuesday in Nebraska, taking 59 percent of the primary vote to rival Bernie Sanders's 40 percent.

Democrats in the Cornhusker State held presidential caucuses in March, with Sanders emerging victorious. The two Democratic candidates appeared on the state’s primary ballot on Tuesday, when voters went to the polls to make their choice in the GOP race.

In the March caucuses, Sanders won 57 percent of the vote to Clinton’s 42 percent, taking 15 delegates to Clinton’s 10.