Sanders: 'Extremely undemocratic' to call Clinton the nominee at this point

[TomCADem]

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Source: The Hill

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said on Tuesday night that talk of front-runner Hillary Clinton being the presumptive nominee is premature.

In an interview with CNN shortly after news broke that he had won an upset victory over Clinton in the Indiana primary, Sanders argued there are states that still need to be heard from in the primaries.

"I think that it is basically irresponsible and extremely undemocratic to say to the people of West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, California - our largest state - that they should not have the right to cast a ballot to determine who the president of the United States will be, or what the agenda of the Democratic Party will be. I think that's pretty crazy stuff," Sanders said.

"We are in this race to win," he added later.


Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-extremely-undemocratic-to-call-clinton-the-nominee-at-this-point/ar-BBsCKlF

[grasswire]

1. !!!!!!!!!!!!

That deserves a donation.

[SalviaBlue]

23. I stand with you!!!!

[NewImproved Deal]

71. Bernie vs the Oligarch Twins!

[Helen Borg]

73. So true!

[RandySF]

2. Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee

There, I said it.

[pnwmom]

6. +1.

[William769]

7. I stand with you.

So does http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/

[LW1977]

52. +1

[Omaha Steve]

10. Count ALL the votes

Geez. It is called democracy for a reason!

Or or YOU against counting ALL the votes?

[hack89]

11. They will be counted. But they won't change anything

Bernie is not going to win California by 70 points.

[Omaha Steve]

13. He doesn't need to

But from what I've seen of the MSM trying to throw this he can!

[LittleGirl]

31. Wow

I've never seen that comparison before! Thanks for sharing those photos!

just wow.

[William769]

32. Those rallies haven't worked out so far yet, now have they.

She leads in the popular vote by the millions.

BTW California does NOT have a caucus, they have a primary. big difference as we have seen so far.

[Omaha Steve]

34. But she can't beat Trump

Do YOU want to win in Nov. or talk for years about what might have been. Read what the polls and pundits are saying.

[William769]

35. She beats Trump now, Sanders Doesn't.

Once again, it's all about the math.

P.S. I have yet to figure how anyone can win the general if they can't even win the primary!

[RandySF]

37. She WILL beat Trump

[olddad56]

43. she won't beat Trump, too many voters hate her, hate the government, and are stupid

Sanders would fair better that Hillary against Trump

[RandySF]

45. So let me get this straight.

Stupid people who hate the government will vote for a self-described socialist?

"Vote for Bernie. Stupid voters like him."

[christx30]

64. A lot of voters would stay home rather than

vote for her. She has too much baggage. I, personally, don't trust her. I voted for Bernie in the Texas primary.
But I will vote for Hillary over trump. I'm not stupid.

[Chicago1980]

66. Seems like anyone staying home is lacking in self interest.

What baggage, the crap that republicans have made up and saddled her with over time?

You don't trust her? Why not?

[christx30]

67. She seems as slimy as her husband.

And she voted for NADTA and the Iraq war. I guess you could say she was saddled with both of those things.
Why do you trust her?

[Chicago1980]

70. I'm not sure what NADTA is, but I'm over the Iraq vote thing.

She's admitted and basically apologized for that vote. A vote that caused her to lose back in 2008.

Using the same vote 8 years later seems a bit of a weak argument.

For me it's not an issue on trust. No one is perfect and as humans we make mistakes. We either own them or we don't.

I don't have a reason not to trust her. For me this isn't some purity test.

[Lordquinton]

55. We don't have a closed primary

so non-declared voters can vote for their preferred candidate, which means Bernie's supporters won't be disenfranchised. Plus he's actually held on long enough just for us, the biggest, blues state in the union which gets to go after all the little red states, and usually doesn't even get heard, so it will be interesting to see the results.

[RandySF]

36. That's sweet. How did these rallies all work out?

Bernie OH Rally

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Bernie New York Rally



Bernie Florida Rally

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[Omaha Steve]

38. Well with the MSM and the old school D world against him he started out under %5 as a socialist

How do YOU think he is doing?

Hillary is scared!

[RandySF]

39. I think he's losing.

[Omaha Steve]

42. See you at the convention

[William769]

46. Hillary is so scared that she has moved on to the General election.

Then of course we have this http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511935655 I'm sure you missed it is why you didn't comment so I gave you a direct link.

[Omaha Steve]

51. Delusional

So she goes to Kentucky for a primary run???

Clinton's horse may be fading in Ky: http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/gerth/2016/05/06/gerth-clintons-horse-may-fading-ky/83405328/

[LeftyMom]

57. That's Oregon.

The Sacramento rally last night was packed, but that's the modacenter in Portland, which is a NBA basketball venue, and considerably larger than our soccer stadium.

[Scootaloo]

18. Is it July 28 already?

[JDPriestly]

19. We in California want to vote and have our say.

We waited patiently while the rest of the nation voted. We want to have our vote and have our right to vote in the primary respected.

Bernie is gaining momentum. Hillary is losing it. She won West Virginia by a large margin against Obama and lost it against Bernie by a strong margin. That should tell the Democratic Party something about what it is doing and what it could be doing better.

Before you call the election, let us in the final states have our say.

[RandySF]

40. California will.

I already cast my vote for the eventual Democratic nominee.

[Lordquinton]

53. Nope

She's not. No one is yet.

[pangaia]

63. -1

[reACTIONary]

76. As a matter of fact....

.... she IS.

[Javaman]

81. amusing really, because Obama tried the same tactic back in 2008 toward hillary...

but as long she does it, it's okay, right?



This Is Why Hillary Clinton Can't Tell Bernie Sanders to Drop Out

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-drop-out-election

Hillary Clinton's lead in delegates over rival Bernie Sanders is now almost insurmountable as they move toward the conclusion of the Democratic presidential primary contest. But Clinton has not called on him to drop out of the race, for one simple reason: the example her own campaign set in 2008.

Eight years ago this month, Clinton was trailing hopelessly behind then-Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. On May 1, 2008, Clinton loaned her bankrupt campaign $1 million (following at least $10 million in earlier loans). Before the end of that week, pundits were calling the contest for Obama, whose May 6 win in the North Carolina primary, by 14 points, had made his delegate lead essentially insurmountable. "We now know who the Democratic nominee will be," Tim Russert said on MSNBC after the results came in. Less than a week later, Obama surpassed Clinton in the superdelegate count, signaling that the party establishment was shifting behind the presumptive nominee.

But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast. She would go on to win contests in West Virginia, Kentucky, and South Dakota before the primary ended on June 3, even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.

Along the way, the Clinton campaign put forward every conceivable argument to justify staying in the race. It used wins in states like Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Kentucky to claim that Obama was losing support among white working-class voters and that she would be the stronger general election candidate. On May 5, it began to argue about the delegate math, making the case that the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination was actually 2,209, not 2,025, the figure that had been cited up until then—and that if neither campaign reached that new number, Clinton was prepared for a floor fight at the party's convention. On May 23, Clinton justified her continued White House bid by noting that in 1968, Democratic presidential hopeful Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, after winning the California primary. And lurking in the background in these final weeks was the rumor that Republican operatives had gotten hold of a tape of Michelle Obama disparaging "whitey."

[dlwickham]

3. just SMH

[silvershadow]

4. That's right. They're literally trying to Bogart the nomination now. Ridiculous. nt

[truthisfreedom]

5. We have a process. Let's use it.

We'll find out what's up, and we'll go forward from there.

[reACTIONary]

79. We already know what's up....

.... and it's way past time to move forward.

[onehandle]

8. Borrowing talking points from Trump?

Sheesh.

[Lordquinton]

56. "Send them back!"

[Cryptoad]

9. What Bern is doing

is no different than Trump calling her "Crooked Hillary" . same - same .....plus Bern is looking more and more foolish.

[passiveporcupine]

21. As soon as I saw this post

I just knew you had a yellow button.

Bye!

[Ned_Devine]

48. Bingo

[RufusTFirefly]

12. Hillary supporters believe possession is nine-tenths of the law

They want to claim the nomination before it's rightfully theirs because they believe if they do, it will be much harder to give it up.

In short, they're terrified of what lies ahead and worry that time is not on their side.

It's a bit like hurriedly getting us involved in an illegal war so that when people insist we withdraw they can argue "But we can't just cut and run!"

[DJ13]

24. So now they're claiming she's possessed?

[Hiraeth]

25. lol

[ReRe]

14. Irresponsible, undemocratic AND

... just plain rude. It's a bully tactic to encourage the opponent to forfeit or drop out before the Primary is over. I think the Primary should be held on one day and none of the results revealed until the last vote is cast. Same with the general election. Eff the pundits. It's no fun to watch the results come in anymore, state after state, from the east coast to the west. Elections are so rigged, and so many are disenfranchised out of their votes.

[chwaliszewski]

59. +1,000,000

[Kingofalldems]

15. Did he forget to mention the Trump votes he got in W.Va.?

[MrMickeysMom]

16. Perfect... when they're not HRC votes, they're Trump...

Mentally very tiny notion. Really, you ought to get out more.

[Kingofalldems]

17. Really you should watch the news and get the exit poll results.

Nice personal insult there. Bernie would be proud, not.

[MrMickeysMom]

78. The insult is to think that Sander's votes would be Trump's...

You no doubt need to expand an understanding for whom people would vote for, save for all the suppression enhanced by the same corporatists in our own party. Are you THAT out of touch? If so, you've insulted your own intelligence.

[tomm2thumbs]

54. silly argument - folks had to register in WV by April 19th, Cruz didn't drop out until May 3rd

People who wanted Trump voted Trump and he wasn't the presumed nominee until AFTER the deadline to register to vote for Democrats had already passed. There was no 'Trump is already winning, let's switch sides' opportunity.

Another silly argument, but frankly that is all they have to cling to at this point --

Also, national polling shows Bernie crushes Trump. Regionally, Clinton is losing or within 2 points of losing to Trump in Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio -- MUST WIN STATES -- yes, and that is before any real ads have been launched about anything and everything in Clinton's past.

[LovingA2andMI]

20. Agree...

And the 21,000+ that showed up for the Bernie Rally in Sacramento, CA would agree. Twenty-One Thousand Folks. That's a lot. So, yeah, Bernie should indeed stay in until the convention and most definitely until the primary in California.

#KeepItGoingBernie

[olddad56]

47. No question that Bernie will win CA. We have seen what an honest politician can do..

for the people. Jerry Brown dug California out of the huge hole that a celebrity governor who had no clue put us into.

[LiberalFighter]

22. I support the remaining states voting and getting their ballot counted.

It still doesn't ignore the fact that Clinton will be the nominee.

[LenaBaby61]

30. Absolutely agree with you!

Even though I fell Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee because mathematically there is no chance for Bernie Sanders as of May 10th 2016, I however feel that NO ONE should be forced to leave the primary race until ALL of the votes in the remaining states are counted, and if Bernie Sanders continues until the end, he has earned that right.

I live in California, and I want my primary vote to be recorded.

[LiberalFighter]

61. And the primaries will still continue whether anyone decides not to continue.

[BlueMTexpat]

69. +1! eom

[wisteria]

26. He may not like to hear it, but it is the truth. Toughen up!

He is not going to be our Democrat candidate-no matter how he wants to spin it. She leads in the popular vote and delegates. And, he better get use to it and stop complaining. It is what it is.

[Surya Gayatri]

72. "He is not going to be our Democrat candidate-no matter how he wants to spin it."

Well said, and in the end:

[Bleacher Creature]

27. He's welcome to believe in whatever he wants.

Santa, the Tooth Fairy, I don't care.

But the fact remains that she's still the nominee, and the stakes are just too high this November to hit the pause button while Bernie takes his time coming to terms with it.

[Lordquinton]

58. Nope, you're wrong.

no nominee yet.

We'll see in July.

[reACTIONary]

80. LOL, the REALITY based candidate . ...

.... is, as a mater of fact, the nominee . We've already seen.

[haikugal]

28. He's no Obama! I'm so fucking proud of him! Go Bernie Go!!! nt

[Stuckinthebush]

29. He's an annoyance now

Buh bye, Bernie. You lost

[Pauldg47]

62. He has a different agenda...Hillary is a republican and Bernie is a Democrat and must win.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

41. What a sour grapes thread

No one - not Hillary campaigns or Bernie campaigns or pundits knows the outcome of this primary process. But one thing's sure: there are still states left to vote. I'm in CA, have checked my voter registration and am truly looking forward to casting my vote. Anyone here want to deny my participation? I've waited a very long time.

[tomm2thumbs]

44. speaking truth to the political money powers - way to go Bernie!

Politically manipulated corporate television, newspapers, news shows, network pundits and the rest of the establishment shills portraying one candidate as the inevitable candidate from day one (and was supposed to be done by Super Tuesday).

How's that working out for ya?

[MisterP]

50. "yeah, what's your point?" --DNC

[ArcticFox]

60. Thank you, Bernie!

I'm so looking forward to voting in the California primary

[Uncle Joe]

65. I agree but the corporate conglomerates don't care about democracy unless it's used as a

talking point to wage war.


Thanks for the thread, TomCADem.

[Contrary1]

68. Hillary said this just last Thursday...

5/5/2016

"I'm not calling myself that (the presumptive nominee)," Clinton said. "I know there are some contests ahead and I respect Sen. Sanders and whatever choices he's making. And I have a lot of empathy about this, Anderson. You know, I ran to the very end in 2008."

More: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-exit-race/index.html

[Bad Dog]

74. It ain't over until it's over.

Even though this race seems to have taken an eternity as it is.

[riversedge]

75. More of Bernie whining once again.

[liberal N proud]

77. If anyone knew what undemocratic was, it would be Sanders

He is good at practicing undemocratic' tactics.

Undemocratic is staying in a race you can't win and continuing to criticize the likely nominee, feeding the general election opponent.

See the numbers here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/30/upshot/clinton-sanders-delegate-calculator.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fupshot&action=click&contentCollection=upshot&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=9&pgtype=sectionfront

[SansACause]

82. Unless you can do math.

Bernie's only hope is to subvert the will of the people by wooing superdelegates. That's not going to happen. The people have spoken: Hillary is the Democratic nominee.

The good news for Bernie is he can now go back to having nothing to do with the Democratic Party.

[Trust Buster]

83. This coming from a guy who's not even a Democrat.

[gordyfl]

84. West Virginian Voters Say

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[Loki]

85. Hate won in West Virginia yesterday

And BS won with Trump crossovers. You're not the Democrat Bernie, nerver was, never will be. Almost half of his voters will vote for that deranged POS in the general election. That s nothing to be proud of. You can't win without Trump voters. I wouldn't touch that one with a hazardous waste suit on.

[LostOne4Ever]

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