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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:00 PM May 2016

Exclusive: Trump Surges In Support, Almost Even With Clinton In National U.S.Poll

Source: Reuters


Donald Trump's support has surged and he is now running nearly even with Democrat Hillary Clinton among likely U.S. voters, a dramatic turnaround since he became the Republican party's presumptive presidential nominee, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday.

The results could signal a close fight between the two likely White House rivals as Americans make up their minds ahead of the Nov. 8 election to succeed Democratic President Barack Obama. As recently as last week, Clinton led Trump by around 13 points in the poll.

In the most recent survey, 41 percent of likely voters supported Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, and 40 percent backed Trump, with 19 percent not decided on either yet, according to the online poll of 1,289 people conducted from Friday to Tuesday. The poll had a credibility interval of about 3 percentage points.

The results reflect a big increase in support for Trump since he knocked out U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas and Ohio Governor John Kasich last week to become the last Republican in the White House race.


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN0Y21TN

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Exclusive: Trump Surges In Support, Almost Even With Clinton In National U.S.Poll (Original Post) imagine2015 May 2016 OP
'General election polls before and during the primary are predictive of absolutely nothing.' onehandle May 2016 #1
It's also true that they're more indicative of the moment at hand rpannier May 2016 #7
But everyone is telling us primary season is over... reformist2 May 2016 #34
Lay off the polls until Labor Day tonyt53 May 2016 #51
bingo moonbabygo May 2016 #54
The non-Trumps are getting on board Renew Deal May 2016 #2
National polls are bullshit. apnu May 2016 #3
Unless they favor Clinton? imagine2015 May 2016 #4
How many men were included? How many women? How many minorities? What were their ages? pnwmom May 2016 #9
Isn't that always the fact? Bernie does poorly in polls, HRC people tell him to drop Feeling the Bern May 2016 #11
Online polls skew to younger, male, and white voters. And this poll doesn't reveal its internals. pnwmom May 2016 #15
I'm laughing all the way to the reeducation camps Bucky May 2016 #22
I am putting in my request for a room with a view yourpaljoey May 2016 #40
Unless they are state-by-state... JHB May 2016 #36
It looks more like 1968 to me all the time. zeemike May 2016 #5
Democrats love their establishment candidates ever since Johnson. Feeling the Bern May 2016 #12
Carter won because people wanted change again. zeemike May 2016 #25
The politics of joy? What they hell were they thinking? Wow! C Moon May 2016 #31
I was dumfounded when they selected Humphrey yourpaljoey May 2016 #39
I can't figure out how to look at the internals in these polls. Where is the sample described? nt pnwmom May 2016 #6
You are correct rpannier May 2016 #8
Something's odd here because RCP hasn't included this in their aggregates of polls. pnwmom May 2016 #10
NBC: Who's More Likely to Beat Donald Trump — Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders? (Sanders) Omaha Steve May 2016 #13
Hillary has never attacked Sanders. Neither have the Republicans. SunSeeker May 2016 #14
Hillary's friends do her dirty work Omaha Steve May 2016 #17
No one has done any dirty work on Sanders. Calling him something he calls himself is not "dirt." nt SunSeeker May 2016 #18
She tried to bury him Omaha Steve May 2016 #23
She never tried to bury him. She ran no negative ads against him, unlike the nasty ads he ran. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #28
She has shown she can weather all of it? Omaha Steve May 2016 #20
Yes, she has weathered it. She is the most admired woman in the world. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #21
Again Omaha Steve May 2016 #26
The rabid right wing hate her. So what? SunSeeker May 2016 #27
Don't confuse them with facts. They are immune. ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #44
It's Trump's nomination bounce. SunSeeker May 2016 #16
3-4 Leave. Agschmid May 2016 #24
Thanks, Agschmid. SunSeeker May 2016 #29
That's a very good point. I'm a Bernie supporter, and I am sure worried about a Trump win. But gd pt C Moon May 2016 #32
Sanders isn't lying. mountain grammy May 2016 #47
He knows he does not have a viable path to the nomination, yet he says he does. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #58
Sanders isn't lying. mountain grammy May 2016 #60
There is no viable path to the nomination for Sanders. SunSeeker May 2016 #61
I believe it was Andrea Mitchell who Bernie said was moaning about Clinton's problems. Akicita May 2016 #49
Link? SunSeeker May 2016 #56
Here you go. BTW Andrea Mitchell is setting up a Moaners For Hillary superpac. You should join. Akicita May 2016 #59
Figures. You are making stuff up. Watch your own linked video. SunSeeker May 2016 #62
What was digusting was that Andrea "The Shill" Mitchell interviewed a presidential candidate and, Akicita May 2016 #63
It is a legitimate question. SunSeeker May 2016 #64
and much depends on the VP choice elmac May 2016 #19
HRC/DWS? Why break up a useful working relationship That Guy 888 May 2016 #30
It's still not listed on RCP. And it's impossible to judge it because it doesn't report pnwmom May 2016 #33
It isn't noted in the article where and who did the poll, suspicious, guess most don't expect for Thinkingabout May 2016 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #35
Because, despite GOP concerns, tRump really DOES speak for them AllyCat May 2016 #37
This is terrible news Equinox Moon May 2016 #38
Must have been a negative surge for him to catch Hillary since she has NorthCarolina May 2016 #41
Ermmm...nope whatthehey May 2016 #50
Poll details here: B2G May 2016 #42
Those "details" leave out all the critical info about how the sample was selected pnwmom May 2016 #57
Dear Mr. Brock: ChairmanAgnostic May 2016 #43
I am sure Clinton's massive support in the deep south will put her over the top fbc May 2016 #45
Oh... An online poll... Ohio Joe May 2016 #46
The whole Left-Right paradigm is falling apart. Rafale May 2016 #48
"online poll of 1,289 people" Yes let's get our knickers in a twist over an online poll...... yellowcanine May 2016 #52
How is this news? Is it news that Americans prefer crappy McDonald's fast food over healthier kale? Attorney in Texas May 2016 #53

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. 'General election polls before and during the primary are predictive of absolutely nothing.'
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

Ignore hypothetical matchups in primary season – they also measure nothing. General election polls before and during the primary season have a very wide margin of error. That’s especially the case for candidates who aren’t even in the race and therefore haven’t been treated to the onslaught of skeptical media coverage usually associated with being the candidate.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/harrys-guide-to-2016-election-polls

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
7. It's also true that they're more indicative of the moment at hand
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

Trump sealed his nomination and people like winners (for the moment)
Those things usually change over time
Look at rMoney and his numbers at various times over the 2012 campaign
He looked like a winner, especially right after he sealed the nomination
The poll means very little except you've probably got a lot of bandwagon jumpers -- the guys who tell you how they were always Kansas City Royals fans right after the world series
or like Homer Simpson after the Isotopes won the penant

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
2. The non-Trumps are getting on board
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

Hillary's support will improve too after the nomination. Same thing happened in 2008 for Obama and McCain.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
9. How many men were included? How many women? How many minorities? What were their ages?
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

I don't see the answers to these questions anywhere -- and if the sample wasn't representative, then the poll is worthless.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
11. Isn't that always the fact? Bernie does poorly in polls, HRC people tell him to drop
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:38 AM
May 2016

Bernie does well in polls, HRC people say it doesn't matter and Bernie should drop.

They have blinders on about how unpopular and unwanted HRC is.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
15. Online polls skew to younger, male, and white voters. And this poll doesn't reveal its internals.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:12 AM
May 2016

It's just a toy.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
40. I am putting in my request for a room with a view
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:29 AM
May 2016

We know Hill will hand the keys to Wall Street, Insurance, Pharma, the makers of weapons, NSA, the austerity-for-the-middle-class ball busters... and so on.
There is no way to predict what could happen with Trump at the helm.

We need Sanders more than ever.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
36. Unless they are state-by-state...
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:22 AM
May 2016

...with statistically relevant samples in each. And that's before getting into how many months out, before the conventions, etc.

It's how the states fall that determines electoral votes, and that's what determines the outcome.

National polls can be previews, but the trailer ain't the movie.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
5. It looks more like 1968 to me all the time.
Wed May 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
May 2016

In that election the people wanted a change from the war and conflict and the Dems offered them Humphrey...the establishment candidate...and the GOP offered them a Nixon who said he had a plan to end the war.
Humphrey's slogan was "the politics of joy" (how out of touch was that?) and people did not buy it and the rest is history.

There is no doubt that this country wants change and Trump would be that even though it may not be the kind of change that is helpful. But then people did not like Nixon and liberals felt about him similar to how they feel about Trump.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
12. Democrats love their establishment candidates ever since Johnson.
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

Look what they did to Carter. They wouldn't work with Carter worth nothing, but bent over backwards for Ronnie Raygun.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
25. Carter won because people wanted change again.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016

And you are right, they undercut him at every turn.
There was a real sense of hope when Carter was elected, but that did not last.
And I am old enough to remember those times.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
8. You are correct
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:06 AM
May 2016

There doesn't appear to be any explanation as to samples or methodology
IPSOS is pretty reliable (I think), but I'm not totally sure

I think this is more about bandwagon effect, everyone loves a winner kind of thing
rMoney had it in 2012, didn't do him any good

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
10. Something's odd here because RCP hasn't included this in their aggregates of polls.
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

And they have included some Reuters polls in the past.

So how is a poll conducted entirely online supposed to be representative, when older people and minorities -- who are less likely to be online -- skew toward Hillary?

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
13. NBC: Who's More Likely to Beat Donald Trump — Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders? (Sanders)
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-s-more-likely-beat-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-or-n570766


MAY 10 2016, 9:03 AM ET

by HANNAH HARTIG, JOHN LAPINSKI and STEPHANIE PSYLLOS

Hillary Clinton holds a 12-point lead over Bernie Sanders nationally, but in a hypothetical match-up against Donald Trump, Sanders does much better than the current Democratic front-runner.

As Ted Cruz and John Kasich exited the Republican primary race last week — making Trump the party's presumptive nominee — Clinton and Sanders have used Trump's candidacy to argue that they would be in the best position to defeat him in the general election in November.

When respondents in our NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll were asked whether they would cast a vote for Trump or either of the Democratic candidates still in the race, Sanders is the favorite over Trump by 13 points.

Clinton also beats Trump, but the race is decidedly closer — 49 percent to 44 percent. These results are according to the latest from the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking Poll conducted online from May 2 through May 8 of 12,714 adults including 11,089 registered voters.

FULL story at link.



SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
14. Hillary has never attacked Sanders. Neither have the Republicans.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

His numbers would drop like a rock as soon as he started getting hit with negative ads. They would have a LOT to work with. And all of it new to voters. Sanders would not know what hit him.


Hillary has already been hit will all that is out there about her. She has shown she can weather all of it.

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
20. She has shown she can weather all of it?
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016

Have you looked at her negative rating? Have you considered how much the right hates her after 25 years in the public eye?

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
27. The rabid right wing hate her. So what?
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:48 AM
May 2016

As FDR said, I welcome their hatred.

Trump is hated much more, and by all the rest of us. And we WILL come out to vote.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
16. It's Trump's nomination bounce.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:15 AM
May 2016

Hillary would have that bounce if Sanders wasn't still out there lying that he has a viable path to the nomination and bashing Hillary as a "moaner." She will get that bounce eventually, and Trump will fade.

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
32. That's a very good point. I'm a Bernie supporter, and I am sure worried about a Trump win. But gd pt
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:40 AM
May 2016

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
61. There is no viable path to the nomination for Sanders.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

Hillary is just 148 delegates away from the magic number of 2,382 for securing the nomination. Sanders is 919 delegates away.

Before the big June 7th day there are only 183 delegates up for grabs between OR, KY, VI and PR. To get to 200 behind by the end of that stretch, Sanders needs to win 72.7% of all pledged delegates in the next 4 races (133 of 183). 

Let's pretend he can do that. There is total of 694 pledged delegates on June 7th between CA, NJ, ND, SD, MT and NM. To make up that wildly unlikely 200 point gap, Bernie needs to win 64.4% of the delegates on this date (447 of 694) just to tie Clinton. 

That's brutally unlikely. 

Except just one last thing. 

DC votes on June 14th. DC has 20 pledged delegates. DC is over 50% black. 

So that brutally unlikely hypothetical I laid out above? It still ends in a Clinton pledged delegate victory.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=131035



SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
62. Figures. You are making stuff up. Watch your own linked video.
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

In it, Mitchell tries to ask Sanders about the "two front war" Hillary is fighting, being attacked by Sanders from one side and Trump from the other. Sanders rudely interrupts Mitchell and says "Please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems."

Mitchell was taken aback by the rude, sexist statement (has Sanders ever accused a man of "moaning" in describing a man's question?). Mitchell corrected Sanders: "I don't think that I was 'moaning about Hillary Clinton's problems'..."

Truly disgusting display by Sanders.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
63. What was digusting was that Andrea "The Shill" Mitchell interviewed a presidential candidate and,
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

instead of asking about issues or his proposed solutions to the countries problems, spent the whole interview moaning about her preferred candidates problems and how Bernie was partially responsible for them.

Why didn't she badger Hillary about criticizing Obama when they were competing in 2008 and Obama had pulled ahead?

Kudos for Bernie for calling her on it and pointing out he is running against Hillary in the primary and not running with her as Andrea would like. Just like Hillary ran against Obama in 2008.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
64. It is a legitimate question.
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:40 PM
May 2016

Sanders himself said in that interview that defeating Trump was the most important thing. If that is the case, then why is Sanders forcing Hillary to spend money fighting a two-front war when she needs to save her money for the GE? Why is he attacking Hillary with claims that she is "unqualified"? Mitchell played a clip of Trump gleefully parroting Sanders' "unqualified" smear and asked Sanders about that. Sanders refused to answer. He instead insulted Mitchell, accusing her of "moaning"...much the way Trump insults female journalists who ask him uncomfortable questions.

Hillary was repeatedly asked that question, even though she was never as far behind Obama as Sanders is to her now. And Hillary did not accuse the journalists of "moaning about Barrack Obama's problems." Her campaign simply maintained they could win.
http://www.newsweek.com/alter-hillary-should-get-out-now-93737


 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
19. and much depends on the VP choice
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016

If HRC/Warren that would be the dream team, not sure who Trump could pick to help him out, they are all pretty much lame on the right.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
30. HRC/DWS? Why break up a useful working relationship
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:14 AM
May 2016
of course.

I hope Warren doesn't leave the Senate. We will need her there if either trump or Clinton are elected President. I also think it would screw her own career to prop up HRC with likely nothing in return. The Clinton's, especially Hillary demand L-o-y-a-l-t-y

Case in point one of her subordinates wrote an article describing how hard it was to be a mother and work at the state dept. HRC hated the article, and a different subordinate wrote an opposing piece, making sure to clear her opinions with Clinton before submitting her work.

After the article ran, now U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Dana Shell Smith also wrote a retort for the Atlantic saying she felt the exact opposite as Slaughter at State, entitled: "How to Have an Insanely Demanding Job and 2 Happy Children."

Before filing the story, she emailed a draft to top State official Pat Kennedy and Mills, who forwarded it to Clinton.

"I'm attaching a draft here," she wrote. "Before seeing if The Atlantic would be interested, I want to make sure you both would be ok with it? If so, I also welcome any suggestions/edits/critique."


Clinton liked it: "I think she's done a good job expressing her views."


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-emails-slaughter-216285#ixzz48Q1OrGb1


Emphasis is mine. The article provides an interesting view about what level of groveling must be done to appease HRC if she doesn't like what you have done.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
33. It's still not listed on RCP. And it's impossible to judge it because it doesn't report
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:37 AM
May 2016

its internals.

It's an online poll and they tend to be dominated by young, white men. So how does this pollster do their sampling and why aren't they willing to share their sampling data, like reputable traditional pollsters?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
55. It isn't noted in the article where and who did the poll, suspicious, guess most don't expect for
Thu May 12, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

their links to be followed.

Response to imagine2015 (Original post)

AllyCat

(16,183 posts)
37. Because, despite GOP concerns, tRump really DOES speak for them
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:29 AM
May 2016

All the hatred and bigotry is exactly how they feel.

They just weren't ready to come out yet.

He dragged them out and they are willing to embrace their hatred now.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
41. Must have been a negative surge for him to catch Hillary since she has
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

pretty consistently polled behind the Donald.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
57. Those "details" leave out all the critical info about how the sample was selected
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

and who comprised it: by gender, race, age, etc.

There is no way to know how representative it is.

Rafale

(291 posts)
48. The whole Left-Right paradigm is falling apart.
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

It's basically becoming the Haves against the Have-Nots and yet old people cling to a broken paradigm, cheering for certain candidates like we were at a football match. It's really not the candidates we should be cheering. We should be cheering for and supporting real change, the same change we were promised in 2008 and never got. Maybe we should fight for more change than we were promised back in 2008. We need to be about ideas, not cult of personalities, branding, neoconservatism dressed up like "Liberalism," warmongering to trade US lives for oil, multinational agreements that steal the wealth of the middle and lower classes. Why are we listening to empty promises from people, who have a demonstrated record of acting against our interests. Come on, good people.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
53. How is this news? Is it news that Americans prefer crappy McDonald's fast food over healthier kale?
Thu May 12, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

Just because one thing is good for you and the other thing is bad for you, it isn't hardly news that the less palatable but healthier option is tied in the polls with the crap that's eventually going to kill you.

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