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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:02 PM May 2016

Britain says fighters intercept Russian aircraft approaching Baltic states

Source: Reuters

British Typhoon fighter jets have intercepted three Russian military transport aircraft approaching the Baltic States, the defense ministry said on Thursday.

The British fighters, scrambled from the Amari air base in Estonia, intercepted the Russian aircraft, which were not transmitting a recognized identification code and were unresponsive, the ministry said.

"We were able to instantly respond to this act of Russian aggression - demonstration of our commitment to NATO’s collective defense," Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-russia-jets-idUSKCN0Y32DR?il=0



Putin's childish-but-dangerous games of provocation & macho display. The Baltics are lucky to be in NATO; too bad Ukraine wasn't.
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Britain says fighters intercept Russian aircraft approaching Baltic states (Original Post) uhnope May 2016 OP
Russians testing air defense systems FLPanhandle May 2016 #1
Are you saying that these aren't new, and took place from 1991 through 2014 or so? braddy May 2016 #3
They have always been common FLPanhandle May 2016 #5
You ignored my question entirely, are you saying that these are not new, and that these have been braddy May 2016 #6
It's an old game to those of us who remember the cold war One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #7
My point is that this is not an "old game" or a continuation, we defeated the the Union of Soviet braddy May 2016 #9
And how does Putin view himself? One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #11
I just said that, Putin and Russia is a new threat, this is not a continuation of the Cold War braddy May 2016 #12
And the 2nd and 3rd Punic Wars were not the First One_Life_To_Give May 2016 #13
It isn't in this case, not if you were there or remember the Cold War. Putin can be nipped in the braddy May 2016 #16
To be fair, Putin/Russia hasn't taken over any NATO countries. PersonNumber503602 May 2016 #19
Putin is invading up to NATO's borders and is clearly trying to reconquer the empire. braddy May 2016 #20
Thanks Britain for standing up for us, what do we do doc03 May 2016 #2
If they flew over the Arctic circle christx30 May 2016 #4
I was shocked when they were able to fly 30 feet from our ship a doc03 May 2016 #10
You can't simply shoot down planes that are not exhibiting hostile intent. hack89 May 2016 #15
We intercept Russian aircraft in the vicinity of Alaska all the time. nt hack89 May 2016 #14
Yep ... works both ways too (but that's never reported in the "headline press"). (n/t) Nihil May 2016 #17
What are some recent examples of us buzzing Russia? braddy May 2016 #18
Well, at least the Typhoons get a workout.... Blue_Tires May 2016 #8
Where were they approaching Estonia from? daleo May 2016 #21

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
1. Russians testing air defense systems
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

They've been doing since the 1950's. Tracking where they were detected, how long it takes for fighters to appear, at what point to they intercept.

Classic cold war games.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
5. They have always been common
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

The Russians are getting more aggressive now though. Not just going to the borders of airspace but penetrating other countries airspace which is new.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
6. You ignored my question entirely, are you saying that these are not new, and that these have been
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

taking place continuously for the last quarter century?

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
7. It's an old game to those of us who remember the cold war
Thu May 12, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

They didn't have the money to play for a few years. But seems we are right back to where we were when Brezhnev passed.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
9. My point is that this is not an "old game" or a continuation, we defeated the the Union of Soviet
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:00 PM
May 2016

Socialist Republics empire of slavery and conquest.

Today we are facing a new enemy, Russia and Putin, this aggression and bluffing and posturing is new and has not been going on for the last 25 years and people need to quit thinking of Russia as the Soviet Empire, those slave states are free now and most are part of NATO, Putin needs to be looked at and treated as Putin, not as the leader of the world's most powerful empire but as the leader of Russia only.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
11. And how does Putin view himself?
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

Does he not see himself as the one to restore Russia to it's former glory?

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
12. I just said that, Putin and Russia is a new threat, this is not a continuation of the Cold War
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

and the USSR.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
13. And the 2nd and 3rd Punic Wars were not the First
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:49 PM
May 2016

Technically true but it is often times hard to tell where one conflict ends and the next begins. As the predecessor is pro-log of the next.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
16. It isn't in this case, not if you were there or remember the Cold War. Putin can be nipped in the
Fri May 13, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

bud if we show resolve and unity, regardless of how murderous or delusional he is and longing for his old KGB glory of the USSR.

We have to protect our NATO alliance and not allow him to start invading and reconquering the smaller NATO nations.

Putin is actually weak, but he keeps bluffing his way to military and territorial gains.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
19. To be fair, Putin/Russia hasn't taken over any NATO countries.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

I'm not entirely convinced we'll see that happen either. Although, I suppose we could see situations similar to Ukraine in which a Russian backed separatist group takes parts of such countries. I actually think that's what they are most concerned with, and not so much the idea of Russian tanks rolling through their capitals.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
20. Putin is invading up to NATO's borders and is clearly trying to reconquer the empire.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

Putin is verbally and militarily threatening everyone in the region and the United States, the close calls with aircraft, the threats to turn countries into nuclear ash, the moving now of THREE divisions to the borders is getting into invasion level of forces.

""The bulk of those forces will be deployed to Russia’s Western Military District, which sits along the borders with Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, Mr. Shoigu said.""

Even Finland and Sweden are forced to have to consider joining NATO because of Putin's verbal, and now Army Division level threats to them. Putin is building his political image in Russia based on his military aggression and we should have never shown the weakness that gave him that option. A strong NATO years ago would have led Putin to adopt other avenues to win over the Russian people, by his concentrating on Russia's economy and improving the quality of life. and trade deals, etc, rather than focusing on what he naturally started seeing as the low hanging fruit of of the tiny European nations that he coveted.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
4. If they flew over the Arctic circle
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

they would been spotted by NORAD and intercepted by USAF planes.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
10. I was shocked when they were able to fly 30 feet from our ship a
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

a few weeks ago. I thought if anyone would attempt such a move that they would have been shot down before they
got anywhere near that close. What if it was a real bombing run our guys would have been dead. Putin has been
flexing his muscles a lot lately and all we do is say you shouldn't do that.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. You can't simply shoot down planes that are not exhibiting hostile intent.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

flying close is not reason enough.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
21. Where were they approaching Estonia from?
Sun May 15, 2016, 08:32 PM
May 2016

According to my atlas, Russia borders Estonia. So, they were likely in Russian airspace when this occurred, so this is hardly an aggressive move on the part of the Russians.

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