Hillary PAC spends $1,000,000 to "correct" commenters on Reddit, Facebook and Instagram
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Source: Daily Beast
Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million To ‘Correct’ Commenters On Reddit And Facebook
BEN COLLINS04.21.165:05 PM ET
Citing “lessons learned from online engagement with ‘Bernie Bros,’” a pro-Hillary Clinton Super PAC is pledging to spend $1 million to “push back against” users on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and Instagram.
Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday.
Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html?via=mobile&source=twitter
I'm sorry but this is just plain wrong. Ugh. Everything that's wrong with politics today summed up in one action.
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tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Like Bernie did in NY. he outspent her by over double and still got hammered.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)is keeping his accounting straight or he and Hillary will be in hot, hot water.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)being investigated by the FEC for illegal campaign donations! 
monmouth4
(10,707 posts)makes us dislike her more and more. She is so crooked (Trump is right on that one) and deceitful.
houston16revival
(953 posts)Be a Democrat for a change
840high
(17,196 posts)what a democrat is.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)DINO v. New Deal Liberal.
Or haven't you done the politics?
senz
(11,945 posts)in case you didn't know.
RhettScarlett
(34 posts)"Correcting" opinions? Who does this? Is this what we are? Is this what we support?
scscholar
(2,902 posts)There's a lot of disinformation out there that needs to be corrected.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)infrastructure, no establishment advantage, no corporate support, no superpac advantages, and no hope to win the election to something close to a tie. You've seriously showed me something this election.
Take a fucking bow. You guys are killing it.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)"Sanders says he ran as a Democrat for 'media coverage'"
During a town hall-style event in Columbus, Ohio, the independent Vermont senator said, “In terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party.” He then took a dig at MNSBC, telling Todd, the network “would not have me on his program” if he ran as an independent.
Money also played a role in his decision to run as a Democrat, Sanders added.
“To run as an independent, you need — you could be a billionaire," he said. "If you're a billionaire, you can do that. I'm not a billionaire. So the structure of American politics today is such that I thought the right ethic was to run within the Democratic Party.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-independent-media-coverage-220747
And then he and his supporters turned and crapped on the Democrats.
and hurled insults and posted lies and smears. So much for the honesty, civility and integrity.
Bernie's campaign is now a total joke.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)It must be of utmost importance. 
He used the DNC he lost 
, made up conspiracies about Hillary proving both he and many of his supporters are ungrateful liars who will say anything to get the nomination 
....
the nomination that is totally out of his reach.
He's goin down in flames!
Feel the Bern!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)It needs no explanation. But I'll simply say this...
Do you believe in our current political system that anyone could actually gain notable support against either of the dominant parties?
The phrase is, "if you can't beat them, join them."
Bernie has done plenty for the Democratic party during his career as an independent. Better than that, he inspired millions to join the party. More than Hillary.
I joined this party simply because of him, all those folks in the rallies that outnumber Hillary's rallies 5 fold? Most of them as well.
You can say Bernie "used" the Democratic party sure... But what bad has he done to it? Really.
I'm sure you could argue, "He's dividing the party!" But we Bernie supporters can point the same finger at Hillary. There's two sides of a coin here, those who think the party belongs to the left and those who (in my opinion) think the party belongs to neocon DINO centrists.
If that's your perspective, fine. If you feel Bernie is some user of the party, I don't care, you're free to that opinion. You asked for an explanation, I provided my insight.
Take it or leave it and peace be with you.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)He is dividing the party. Dividing the party is bad. He said so himself... and yet here he is. It's typical of Sanders his way or the highway attitude.
He hasn't done squat for the Dems. He has ridden on their coattails while insulting them at every turn.
"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”
“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”
He is a hypocrite who needed backing and then continues to stab the DNC and Hillary in the back as he has done to Dems throughout his carer.
"To become mayor of Burlington in 1981, he ousted a veteran centrist Democrat. To build power, his progressive allies in subsequent elections wrested away city council seats, relegating local Democrats to diminished, third-party status. In a series of statewide races in the late ’80s and into the early ’90s, he outdid even that—getting Democrats to all but wave a white flag when he ran. "
“He plays it both ways,” said former Vermont Governor Madeleine Kunin, a Democrat who once successfully fended off Sanders from the left in a reelection bid. “He wants to be different, and yet he wants to belong—for political purposes.”
In ’81, when he was elected mayor of Burlington—by 10 votes, after a recount—the city’s Democrats tried to stonewall Sanders.
He had “an enormously contentious relationship” with them, said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), then a state senator.
“Back in those days,” said Maurice Mahoney, the head of the Democratic Party in Burlington in the ’80s, “his goal was to destroy Democrats—certainly on the local level.”
“It was a Democratic town that he basically took from them,” said Bill Conroy, who wrote a dissertation on Sanders’ tenure as mayor.
Said Hamilton Davis, a longtime Vermont reporter and Sanders watcher: “They hated him, and he hated them—unreservedly.”
“I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat,” he said in a profile in New England Monthly.
He said that in ’85.
In that summer’s issue of Vermont Affairs magazine, he called the Democratic Party “ideologically bankrupt,” then added: “They have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.”
Said the opportunist now using those very Dems. Thast not an opinion that's a fact.
He endorsed Jesse Jackson in the Democratic primaries of ’88—even as he, Sanders, ran as an independent. He conceded it was “awkward.” Still, he stressed: “I am not a Democrat, period.” Sanders’ support for Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee, was so tepid it almost didn’t even qualify. He dubbed Dukakis “the lesser of two evils” as opposed to George H.W. Bush.
He lectured at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, taught classes on social democracy and urban sociology at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York—and continued his public bombardment of the Democratic Party.
In an op-ed in the New York Times in January 1989, he called the Democratic and Republican parties “tweedle-dee” and “tweedle-dum,” both adhering in his estimation to an “ideology of greed and vulgarity.”
At the Socialist Scholars Conference in New York City in April 1990, he asked, “Why should we work within the Democratic Party … ?” He said at the gathering he was running for Congress that year again as an independent because it would be “hypocritical” of him to run as a Democrat considering the kinds of things he had said about the party.
Suddenly now that he needs the DNC infrastructure and support it's not hypocritical
“I am extremely proud to be an independent,” he told the Associated Press seven months into his congressional career. “The fact that I am not a Democrat gives me the freedom to speak out on the floor of the House, to vote against both the Democratic and Republican proposals.”
and he alienates everyone else with his pompous attitude.
The flip side at first was this: “He screams and hollers,” Rep. Joe Moakley (D-Mass.) said to the AP at the time, “but he is all alone.” Rep. Bill Richardson (D-N.M.) called Sanders “a homeless waif.” Said Rep. Barney Frank, in ’91: “Bernie alienates his natural allies. His holier-than-thou attitude—saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.”
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Oh no he insulted the color blue or the Democratic party.
I do however care about substance and the issues. The Democratic party should be what Bernie is.
My opinion, clearly not yours and it's not something we're going to agree on.
You can continue defending the party from criticisms as if it should never be criticized and made better for it. You can play loyalist all you want.
I don't care. I believe in a United States, and this two party system has only divided us all for too long. I'm not loyal to a party, I'm loyal to one nation.
So Bernie can righteously call out the Democratic party for its flaws, then he can join it to run a campaign that won't be smothered by the two parties. That's America for you.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)even on a post about socks
retrowire
(10,345 posts)They were with old memes.
Too prepared if you ask me. 
St Aug girl
(29 posts)to Bernie running as a Democrat. Their hair is now on fire since he has been way more successful than they projected. So after giving permission they now bash him as not being a Democrat. LOL
greiner3
(5,214 posts)You're really tearing up your keyboard
BTW are you one of the trolls who are getting a portion of the big bucks
For being such an anti Bernie poster why do you have so many of your posts in said group
wait, I think I just answered my own question
tom_kelly
(1,051 posts)You are being paid by the same organization addressed in the OP. Go on to a different story. You're being too obvious and it may have an effect on your check this week.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)buh dump dump psssh
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)
chknltl
(10,558 posts)If (as you stated), such spending on advertising did not work out so well for Bernie, why on Earth would Clinton find it necessary to do what, (again as you put it), got him hammered? If a different example is needed: Trump's done some really and truly stupid shit that got him hammered in the media, would you suggest that Hillary needs to try doing some of that because it did not work so well for Trump?
earthmanneil
(25 posts)A closed primary requiring 6 months lead time to register as a Democrat (the longest in the country!) followed by >125,000 voters purged from lists in Bernie-Brooklyn territory.
Midnight Writer
(25,336 posts)We can all thank the Citizens United decision by our conservative dominated Supreme Court for this hodge podge of campaign rhetoric.
Perhaps when Hillary Clinton is President she can appoint Supreme Court Justices with a more reasonable view.
I will personally guarantee you that Donald Trump will not.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Much of this country is driven by social media. It would be stupid for a modern politician to ignore that.
I'm sure Trump will / has been doing the same.
As will every candidate from here on out. They would be stupid not to.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Would you say the same if Koch brothers did the same to Obama? Well, actually they did. They astro-turfed Tea Party. Is that justified?
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Wake up to the new reality.
Hell, I'm a Bernie supporter but I think it's a stupid politician in this day and age to not participate online. I would hope Bernie has been doing it.
I know the GOP will try (although clumsily and obviously).
What do you think TV ads are but manipulation of pubic opinion anyway?
MoonchildCA
(1,349 posts)And someone posing as a "concerned citizen" or "supporter" casually posting their opinion, when in fact, they are a paid shill, pushing someone's agenda. Bernie's social media movement is real and grassroots, the other is paid for and disingenuous.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Every modern campaign has been doing and will continue to do this.
Reddit even makes a game out finding out the paid shills. EVERYONE who is online or young knows these people exist.
Wake up and smell the new century.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)Bernie supporters are excited about him, they do their own social media stuff. They don't have to be paid.
It says a lot about a candidate that has to pay people to say nice things about them.
Z
Nyan
(1,192 posts)money is free speech, and astroturf is grassroots. Got it.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Maybe you are just old, but if you don't like it, so be it. However, understand there will never be another campaign that doesn't do this.
The world is social media now.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)What is it, like 300 years old now? But you know what's also pretty old? Monarchy. Authoritarianism. Oligarchy. And we're getting there, FAST.
Yes. The world is social media now, at least for now. And it won't be if we just sit by. They've already taken over TV long time ago. Social media is the only place that's actively interactive and egalitarian, and moneyed interests are taking over.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)From print to radio to TV to now internet.
Do I wish the world was different? Yes.
However, I am practical enough to know what's happening and it's smart to move with the times/technology.
I don't begrudge Hillary for doing what Obama did and the GOP is doing. Bernie says his campaign doesn't do it directly, but it's a little vague if his PAC and marketing firms aren't doing the exact same thing (I hope they are). There isn't a marketing firm in the world that doesn't do it, so I'm sure Bernie's got paid shills even if he doesn't directly know.
reddit has fun spotting the paid ones though. It's entertaining to see the bad ones try to sneak by.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)"Do I intend to do anything about it? No, why bother. I'm practical"
That's radical. Really emphasizes your concern.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Beside complaining about reality and throwing comments at people who acknowledge what's going on? I'd love to see your plan because denial and complaints are even worse than acknowledging it.
Tell me what are you actively doing about it?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)The idea of paid informants being used to manipulate online communication.
That's fucked up. Don't you think it would be better if we were all allowed to just communicate with each other online about politics without the equivalent of "free sample" workers in a grocery store interrupting our conversations with "corrections"?
They're paid to insert themselves into our own conversations and inject formulated opinions by an organization into our chats.
That's fucked up.
Shouldn't she already have a healthy slew of real supporters online to discuss her positives with us? Why would she need to do that?
Because her real support is lacking? Because there are so little positives they have to be manufactured?
I just don't understand how you think manufactured opinions being injected into free conversations by a moneyed organization are an okay thing.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)"I just don't understand how you think manufactured opinions being injected into free conversations by a moneyed organization are an okay thing." --- I already said I don't like it, but it's stupid not to acknowledge it's happening.
I agree with you that paid shills are shit. So we both agree it's not something we like. Now what?
Ignore it, complain about it, or develop a strategy to counter it?
As I said, it doesn't matter if we like it. It's FUCKING happening anyway.
Every campaign knows that and has an approach to counter it including Bernie (there is a ongoing thread on this topic in Reddit with firm names and details of all candidates if you are interested).
Again, voting for Bernie doesn't stop this, so again...What are you DOING besides complaining and denying reality?
Give me your plan and maybe I'll join in, but stomping your feet and holding your breath about it, isn't a plan.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But Hillary's is doing it.
Like she's against citizens united but is using it anyways.
Look, I'm just one person. No I don't have a plan. But I'm not supporting it. I'm not being "okay" with it as you are.
We can acknowledge it. We don't have to accept it.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)So, yes, every campaign is doing it.
Obama did it. Hillary is doing it. Trump is doing it. Even Bernie is doing it through 3rd party marketing firms.
You can say not to accept it, but thank god you are not running a Democratic campaign in the 21st century.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)But do you have any citations regarding Bernie's use of third party marketing firms?
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Here is one quick link to a story: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/03/18/revolution-messaging-helps-drive-sanders-political-revolution/81977160/
"Sanders has relied on Revolution Messaging and his own digital staff to help build a giant email list of supporters through online ads, videos, shareable graphics and social media posts at key moments in the campaign."
It doesn't really matter to me if Bernie is directly or indirectly having paid posters. He should if everyone else does.
Go to the politics section of Reddit for lots more details but, remember, it's the internet. There is a lot of BS out there too.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I don't think that's the same as paid online informants who are sent to "correct" people though.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)As I said, there is plenty about Revolution Messaging and their tactics online.
They do what every Marketing firm does.
Here is a link to their website:
https://revolutionmessaging.com/2015/05/06/revolution-messaging-to-lead-digital-efforts-for-bernie-sanders-presidential-campaign/
retrowire
(10,345 posts)
beergood
(470 posts)the only progressive running for president.
i donate to causes i believe in such as the aclu.
greiner3
(5,214 posts) etc...creeksneakers2
(8,002 posts)an attempt to manipulate public opinion, if you must use the word manipulate. As long as paid posters identify themselves as such I see nothing wrong with this.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Consider the following Bernie Sanders ad:
What was the thoughtful policy issue it discussed? Or was it just an attempt to play on the emotion of voters?
RhettScarlett
(34 posts)Aren't we better than this? This is rethuglican level bullshit. Is this what we want to be?
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)They are online.
Any politician that doesn't have a strategy around social media is toast.
Obama did it, and every politician from here on out will do it if they have an IQ above room temperature.
tinrobot
(12,045 posts)Many of them are already on the attack.
It would be stupid not to let their "rethuglican level BS" go unanswered.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,192 posts)houston16revival
(953 posts)We're in a cultural and political war to prevent a takeover of the US
and our way of life by Tea Party Trumpets
We're going to have to fight to win the election
Pushing back is part of the solution and while some of our own may
not like our candidate the most of think he or she is the best
We must back our candidate more than the other side's candidate
What is it you don't understand about that?
This is competition, this is a political food fight
You're going to have to offend somebody!
Stand up for your values!
monmouth4
(10,707 posts)
houston16revival
(953 posts)Your post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
monmouth4
(10,707 posts)houston16revival
(953 posts)your are disruptive, and very very stupid
houston16revival
(953 posts)You reply in a rude, sadistic, insensitive manner and accuse me of
being childish
You are the one who is childish
Grow up
houston16revival
(953 posts)One cannot have a legitimate discussion with people who are only interested
in taunts
Good luck to all
I bow out happily to support our Democratic Party - elsewhere.
RhettScarlett
(34 posts)She's not doing it to the Trumpets. She's doing it to us! Who exactly do you think she's correcting? She's correcting BERNIE SUPPORTERS. US!!! And we should look at this as good strategy?
I wish I were in the state where you got whatever you're smoking. No offense.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)On Thu May 12, 2016, 09:30 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
What's wrong with it?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1448258
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retrowire
(10,345 posts)Hillary supporters never cease to amaze.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)
Kingofalldems
(40,249 posts)back against paid GOP internet trolls.
RhettScarlett
(34 posts).....she's doing it to Bernie, not the GOP!
Kingofalldems
(40,249 posts)dchill
(42,660 posts)Then she hires Brock to hire other actors to combat the BernieBros.
I think Brock is the only one benefitting from all this.... this... fraud.
LS_Editor
(920 posts)Response to RhettScarlett (Original post)
TM99 This message was self-deleted by its author.
RhettScarlett
(34 posts)It's a disgrace. We are supposed to be better than that. Disappointing to see and makes me even more sure it's Bernie or bust! No way I can vote for Hill.
procon
(15,805 posts)
Gman
(24,780 posts)BFD.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that/those you are attempting to combat don't care about truth ... only smear.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The hosts will lock it soon enough.
Sancho
(9,202 posts) Kingofalldems
(40,249 posts)
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Hey, she's just exercising her rights!
FailureToCommunicate
(14,595 posts)trying to push back all the time on any pro Bernie news or OP. And they think it's "correcting the record" and that it's perfectly normal to get paid for shilling.
Ugh is right.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)and trying awfully hard to defend the indefensible. You almost hope they're getting paid.
And, considering the lack of grassroots support she has, it's hard not to consider that astroturfing.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Wall St. not getting its money's worth on this one.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Is more like it.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)of Bernie Sanders, as well as the men. As if to punish women for not supporting her, who aren't even worth mentioning, and the men are just immature boys.
Not that it actually makes a difference in how we vote, but just pointing out the obvious pettiness, sexism and hypocrisy for all to see.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...Brooklyn Minute.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)It wouldn't cost anything to release the transcripts of her speeches. That is, if she really wants voter to know where she stands.
Ford_Prefect
(8,590 posts)to do it?
jalan48
(14,914 posts)There were more protesters than attendees at her LA rally. It's all fluff with Hillary.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)When he was a kid his mom paid people to be his friends.
L. Coyote
(51,134 posts)I for one don't need to get paid for that.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)"...Now Gabriel plays piano
Every Friday at the Hollywood
And they brought me down to see him
They asked me if I would
Do a little number?
And I sang with all my might
He said, "Tell me, are you a Christian, child?"
And I said, "Man, I am tonight""
Read more: Cher - Walking In Memphis Lyrics | MetroLyrics
http://www.metrolyrics.com/walking-in-memphis-lyrics-cher.html
Half the people have always been for sale...
beergood
(470 posts)to distinguish the pigs from the humans.
Kingofalldems
(40,249 posts)What gives?
zalinda
(5,621 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(21,192 posts)This is about a Reddit user who claimed to be a former "digital media specialist" for the Clinton campaign. Interesting read.
http://socialnewsdaily.com/59087/reddit-user-claims-he-was-paid-to-troll-bernie-sanders-supporters/
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)
desparate
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Bernie's a big fat bugger...
Does that mean they'll be leaving DU (hope,hope,hope)?
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)
Hekate
(100,133 posts)...on issues, beliefs, life-accomplishments, and on and on and on, only to be attacked again and have the goalposts move again.
Such is life at DU, and such people have worn me out. Not changed my opinion, much less my knowledge of the facts, but simply worn me out. Shouting down people who disagree with you and calling them names does not make your cause a winning one.
Nobody is paying me a damn thing to be a Democrat, a Feminist, a woman of a certain age, or a Hillary supporter based on her long long record. AFAIAC anyone willing to take up the thankless task of correcting the record, even for money, has my thanks.
Beaverhausen
(24,697 posts)Posting a month old story in LBN. Some of us don't want to read this crap.
Hugin
(37,828 posts)Where's my cut, baby?
earthmanneil
(25 posts)Is it like piecework where you tally up your posts & get compensated by the dozen? Is there "quality" control where those who cite the most erroneous facts get paid more? Will you pay taxes on these earnings? Are you required to actually believe in Clinton? Will some of you move on to working for Trump if he pays you scale? Can one of you cockroach capitalists please inform us.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)May it backfire.
Hard.
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