25 Palestinian Children Killed In 3 Months: UNICEF

[Purveyor]

Source: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

Jerusalem (AFP) - Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was the highest in seven years, the UN children's agency said.

"Serious concerns arose regarding excessive use of force, particularly in relation to incidents where Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli security forces after carrying out or being suspected of carrying out stabbing attacks," UNICEF said in a report.

It said more than 1,300 Palestinian children were injured during the spike in attacks, almost all in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, while three Israeli children were hurt in the West Bank and west Jerusalem.

UNICEF cited the example on October 25 in Hebron in the West Bank of a 17-year-old girl who was "taken by IDF (Israel Defence Forces) soldiers for a search, shot with at least five bullets and killed".

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/25-palestinian-children-killed-3-months-unicef-155446205.html?nhp=1

[Orrex]

1. It's clear that Israel has the moral high ground here.

Yes, when a rocket lands blindly in a field somewhere, the only sensible response is to murder some children.

[Orrex]

2. .

[6chars]

25. You missed the part about Arabs stabbing Jews

easy to overlook, from a certain perspective.

[Orrex]

31. How many Israeli children have Palestinians murdered in the past three months?

The woman in question was murdered after she was taken into custody, when she was no longer stabbing anyone. That's a summary execution.

Palestinians have suffered the hugely overwhelming majority of deaths during Israeli's ongoing encroachment and occupation, with civilian women and children suffering in disproportionate numbers.

There is no equivalence here. Israel is the unchallenged military power in the region backed unfailingly by the dominant military power in human history, and they've chosen to murder civilians.

But I guess that's easy to rationalize, from a certain perspective.

[katsy]

3. Bad conditions.

Maybe Palestinians should stop the indoctrination of children to commit murderous acts.

Fucking random stabbings by children? And ya don't think people are gonna snap?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


"Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was the highest in seven years, the UN children's agency said on Saturday.

"Serious concerns arose regarding excessive use of force, particularly in relation to incidents where Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli security forces after carrying out or being suspected of carrying out stabbing attacks," UNICEF said in a report.

It said more than 1,300 Palestinian children were injured during the spike in attacks, almost all in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, while three Israeli children were hurt in the West Bank and West Jerusalem.

UNICEF cited the example on 25 October in Hebron in the West Bank of a 17-year-old girl who was "taken by IDF [Israel Defence Forces] soldiers for a search, shot with at least five bullets and killed".

"Israeli authorities said that she had attempted to stab a policeman, however, an eyewitness stated that she was not presenting any threat at the time she was shot, and was shouting that she did not have a knife," it said.

Compared with the high toll for the October-December period, UNICEF recorded four Palestinian children killed and 165 injured between July and September last year.

UNICEF also voiced alarm over the number of Palestinian children aged between 12 and 17 held by the Israeli army, noting the tally stood at 422 at the end of December, according to the Israeli prison service, the highest recorded since March 2009.

Israeli law allows Palestinian children from the age of 12 to be put on trial.

Since the October outbreak of unrest, 204 Palestinians and 28 Israelis have been killed. Most of the Palestinians killed were carrying out knife, gun or car-ramming attacks, Israeli authorities say.
- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/25-palestinian-children-killed-3-months-unicef-426054255#.dpuf"

[Orrex]

4. When a child is killed in the US, even when armed, we call it a tragedy

When a Palestinian child is killed in Israel, it seems that we bend over backwards to find ways to blame the child.

[EX500rider]

5. When the "child" dies while trying to stab somebody to death I blame the child no matter where it is

[JI7]

6. or whoever set them up to it

[cpwm17]

9. American would do far more than that if put in that situation.

Those soldiers are in Palestine to abuse and steal from the natives. Americans would do far more than just some stabbings when put in that situation.

No one has a right to boss us around and steal our land. Anybody that tries that would regret it, and face well-deserved severe consequences.



It's so strange that the very same people that condemn the Palestinians for attacking illegal occupiers are the very same people who defend US unprovoked wars and support Hillary Clinton's war-mongering.

[katsy]

8. Are you okay?

A child who has just stabbed someone may be a victim but I suggest they're a victim of hateful ideological indoctrination of Hamas and their fuckwit religious terrorist clergy.

The child is NOT a victim of the law, society, Israelis or anyone calling for the Palestinians to put down their knives, guns or bombs.

Ya think maybe we should give them a hug, their knives back and send them along home? Holy shit I never would have believed this is an issue on DU.

How do you refer to the Israelis who have been stabbed in your upside down world? Perpetrators? Masterminds?

[Orrex]

10. I confess that I'm a bit surprised, now that you mention it

Holy shit I never would have believed this is an issue on DU.

I agree. I wouldn't have expected someone on DU to defend the summary execution of a child, but here we are.

[katsy]

12. Except I'm not discussing a law enforcement

issue. That's what a justice system is for and we don't know the particulars. There is no good outcome here and there must be justice for the young woman if she was killed in cold blood. That's for their judicial system to explore.

The root of the problem, and the most despicable act a society can do to their most vulnerable, is teaching children hate & putting a knife in their hand. Instead of teaching children the golden rule they put knives in their hands. When something goes wrong they wrong their hands and cry foul. Fuck anyone that supports this shit.

Yea way to deflect from any fucking Palestinian responsibility for these tragedies. Their shit smells like roses. Yea I get where you're coming from and I'm not buying it.

[Orrex]

19. There are some kinds of people who can discuss Israel's policies rationally...

and then there's your kind.

Reply or don't, because I won't see it.

[duhneece]

36. "...I wouldn't have expected someone on DU to defend the summary execution of a child, but here.."

...we are..."

This shocks me, too.

[Violet_Crumble]

11. The girl mentioned in the article hadn't killed anyone

She was detained and searched even though eyewitnesses said she Wasnt attacking anyone when she was killed and after being detained she was shot 5 times and killed. No arrest. No trial. Just a summary execution. And in Hebron, which has a long and ugly history of attacks by Israeli settlers on Palestinians, but I've yet to hear of a single Israeli settler being treated the same way when they attack someone.

[katsy]

13. Except maybe not. 🙄

Did you read this from the article? >>>>> "Israeli authorities said that she had attempted to stab a policeman, however, an eyewitness stated that she was not presenting any threat at the time she was shot, and was shouting that she did not have a knife," it said. "<<<<<


I don't know what happened, wasn't there. That's for an inquiry to investigate. I do have confidence that Israeli soldiers aren't summarily executing children. That's just bullshit. There is plenty of evidence Palestinians pay per stabbing and teach hatred & condone murder by children. But anti-Semites condone this shit. Just like how they condone the fucking terrorist cowards that use innocents and hospitals as shields when attacking others.

[Violet_Crumble]

14. Killing that girl after detaining her was murder

You don't know what happened but eye witnesses and human rights groups would. You also appear to not know about how the Palestinians have been treated by the Israeli military and extremist settlers in Hebron. I suspect you'd have little interest but if you do amnesty international, btselem and Human rights watch have done reports on Hebron.

[katsy]

16. Oh oh oh I get it!

Because OTHER.

Move the goalposts. Expand don't address the problem.

I stated very clearly that until an investigation is completed we don't know what happened. It's all heresay atm.

So forgive me if I don't get fucking hysterical about what's clearly a tragic event. In my experience, fainting, pulling out of one's hair, wailing, unsupported accusations aren't helpful in fact gathering.

This was a tragedy. The root of which is a young girl filled with hatred and rage against innocents who then went on a stabbing binge. It got her killed. Wherher or not the killing is justified is for an inquiry to determine. Not a bunch of hysterical asses on a message board.

IMO justice will be done when then fucking cowards who put the hate in this child's heart and the knife in her hand are indicted for her death.

That would be justice.

[Violet_Crumble]

17. Hate to break the news but you don't

An investigation? By who? The Israeli military?? They're very skilled at absolving themselves of any responsibility when it comes to violence against Palestinians. You act as though there's no past history of the military murdering civilians. There's quite a bit going back over the years.

You start by claiming you don't know what happened, then go on to claim she was trying to stab an innocent. Not only that but you build it up to 'stabbing binge' level and magically know what she was thinking. Who needs any investigation when you've got it all sorted out!

Hysterical? Apart from your posts pretty much everyone else in this thread has been pretty non hysterical.

[katsy]

18. Calm down.

There are no good actors in this tragic conflict.

And yes, I do believe an inquiry will shed light on what happened far more accurately than assumptions made here.

Chill.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. Me? I'm not the one getting all worked up here...

I'm just telling you how things are in Hebron and pointing out some things that are wrong with what you've said. I'm so sorry if you've taken that as hyperventilating or whatever.

None of the combatants in this conflict are worthy of anyone's support, and they include the Israeli military, Hamas, extremist settlers and Palestinians who attack Israeli civilians. It's the civilians on both sides who get caught up in it who are the people I feel for.

I dug up some info on extrajudicial killings in Hebron from Amnesty International and also info from B'tselem on the Israeli military's investigations of killings of Palestinians...

Israel/OPT: Investigate apparent extrajudicial execution at Hebron hospital

12 November 2015, 18:02 UTC


The killing of a 28-year-old Palestinian man by Israeli forces during a raid on al-Ahli hospital in Hebron in the early hours of Thursday morning may amount to an extrajudicial execution, Amnesty International said today.

Eyewitnesses report that a large group of Israeli soldiers and police entered the hospital at 2.43am disguised as Palestinian civilians, with some wearing keffiyehs and fake beards and another being pushed in a wheelchair dressed as a pregnant woman. According to two witnesses Amnesty International spoke to, they entered a room on the third floor of the hospital where 20-year-old Azzam Azmi Shalaldah was a patient, to arrest him on suspicion of stabbing an Israeli civilian on 25 October.

When they entered the room where the patient was in bed, they immediately shot his cousin, Abdullah Azzam Shalaldah, at least three times, including in the head and upper body.

“The fact that Abdullah Shalaldah was shot in the head and upper body suggests this was an extrajudicial execution, adding to a disturbing pattern of similar recent incidents by Israeli forces in the West Bank which warrant urgent investigation,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.

<snip>

The killing of Abdullah Shalaldah is the latest in a pattern of killings by Israeli forces which Amnesty International considers to have been unlawful. Since the beginning of October there has been a dramatic increase in the number of attacks by Palestinians on Israeli civilians, soldiers and police. Attacks on civilians are never justified, but Israeli forces have responded with intentional lethal use of force in many cases where it was not warranted. The Israeli military’s own regulations allow soldiers in the occupied West Bank to open fire only when their lives are in imminent danger. It appears that this was not the case in the shooting of Abdullah Shalaldah, as he was unarmed.

Israeli forces have killed at least 18 Palestinians in and around the city of Hebron in recent weeks, including in cases that appear to be extrajudicial executions, and accordingly should be the subject of prompt, thorough and impartial investigations with a view to prosecution as criminal offences.

On 6 November Israeli forces shot and killed 72-year-old Tharwat al-Sharawi, alleging that she intended to ram them with her car. A video of the incident shows the car which she was driving heading towards the soldiers at a speed slow enough to allow the soldiers to jump out of the way and then begin shooting heavily at the car. Tharwat al-Sharawi’s son has said that his mother was on her way to lunch when she was killed. Amnesty International considers that even if Tharwat-al-Sharami did intend to carry out a ramming attack, the military has itself acknowledged that soldiers only began firing after jumping out of the way of the car. This means that the imminent danger had passed and accordingly that the use of lethal force was unlawful.

On 29 October Mahdi al-Muhtasib, 23, was shot by Israeli forces after reportedly lightly wounding an Israeli soldier in a stabbing attack in Hebron. Video of the aftermath of the incident shows Mahdi al-Muhtasib writhing in pain on the ground before an Israeli soldier, standing a distance of some metres away, shoots him again. The video shows that Mahdi al-Muhtasib was plainly wounded, and posed no threat whatsoever to the soldier. Moreover, shooting a wounded person is a wilful killing in grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

“Israeli forces have a long history of carrying out unlawful killings in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, including extrajudicial executions,” said Philip Luther.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/11/israel-opt-investigate-apparent-extrajudicial-execution-at-hebron-hospital/

Every country must investigate alleged violations of human rights committed in its jurisdiction by persons acting on its authority. It must prosecute the offenders and compensate the injured parties. These actions are crucial both to provide justice to victims and as a deterrent to such violations in the future. Israel has not fulfilled its responsibilities in this regard. For over a decade, the Military Police Investigations Unit did not conduct investigations of Palestinians killed by Israeli soldiers. Investigations were only resumed in April 2011. Although instances of beatings and abuse have been investigated, they are not fully prosecuted. A new law passed by the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, makes it almost impossible for Palestinians wronged by Israeli security forces to claim compensation.

http://www.btselem.org/topic/accountability

There's a whole section there on military investigations and stats on them.

[katsy]

22. There have never been armed conflicts

in all of history without tragic consequences. Innocent blood shed is always part of this equation.

We never learn.

We pick sides and then put on blinders to anything but our narrative.

The girl had a knife in her backpack. Soldiers overreact. It's a bad bad situation with no winners.

There is no way other than the existing judicial system in Israel to sort this out at this time. Vigilantism is not an option.

My one and only focus us who the fuck is indoctrinating and arming children to commit terrorist acts. That is Hamas and crazy religious fucks who think it's ok to teach hatred to children.

They are the root cause of this. They are one & the same people who lob bombs at Israel while hiding behind women & children innocents. They are the cowards. If any indictment is issued, they should be convicted the same as any soldier.

Who the fuck in their right minds would ever put such hatred in a child's heart is beyond me. I can't get beyond that. That one act condemns a child for life. How can a child ever shed that hatred and function in any society.

So I'm simple in my expectations: stop the hateful indoctrination of children and put down the guns, knives, bombs. Then you have my attention. But that comes first because THAT is the start of this clusterfuck rash of stabbing events.

[EndElectoral]

33. The Fog of War.

[crim son]

29. You lost a bunch of us when you declared

your confidence that Israeli soldiers aren't summarily executing children.

[katsy]

30. Show me where that has been the case.

Facts.

I do believe this is a war with no good players and one worse player for indoctrinating children into hating others. I do believe Hamas is arming these children. I do believe these children are stabbing Israelis. And lastly I believe these fuckers who armed these kids ARE summarily executing children.

Beyond that I don't give 2 shits at which point above you were lost.

[Agony]

20. I live in a glass house with you...

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Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education
http://www.ibtauris.com/Books/Society%20%20social%20sciences/Education/Schools/Palestine%20in%20Israeli%20School%20Books%20Ideology%20and%20Propaganda%20in%20Education.aspx

http://www.btselem.org/about_btselem
http://icahd.org

[katsy]

23. Right. It's about me. F A I L

http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=842&FID=915

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/opinion/ci_28615407/palestinian-children-endure-another-summer-hate-indoctrination



You keep throwing around the cliches about glass houses and bullshit. It's much easier to parrot these cliches than understand that this conflict has condemned both sides for generations to come. There are no good actors here. There are no heroes. There are no winners. There is no right or wrong.

The only victims are the kids who have been taught to hate and murder.

They need to disarm these kids. They need to stop random terrorist acts. There's no high road. Just put down the fucking arms.

[Agony]

24. my apologies. fixed it.

if an israeli who's daughter was killed by a palestinian suicide bomber can step back and form a parents circle with palestinian parents who have also lost their children to violence. can we?

http://www.theparentscircle.com

maybe that should be "step forward"...

[katsy]

27. Yes it can be. nt

[Violet_Crumble]

15. Do you know of a link to the unicef report?

I had a quick look at their site and couldn't find it.

[Bakkeno]

26. It breaks my heart when children die

let's hope peace comes to this part of the world soon

[Beacool]

28. So sad........

In all these conflicts the vulnerable are the first to suffer. May they rest in peace.

[EndElectoral]

34. Perhaps your candidate might have thought more about this before casting her IWR vote.

[Sejon]

32. Terrible

[The Second Stone]

35. More genocide

I hope we are all happy with that.