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Mon May 16, 2016, 12:45 PM

Navy Allowed to Kill/Injure Nearly 12 Million Whales, Dolphins, Other Marine Mammals in Pacific

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Source: Truth-Out by Dahr Jamail

What if you were told the US Navy is legally permitted to harass, injure or kill nearly 12 million whales, dolphins, porpoises, sea lions and seals across the North Pacific Ocean over a five-year period? It is true, and over one-quarter of every tax dollar you pay is helping to fund it.

A multistate, international citizen watchdog group called the West Coast Action Alliance (WCAA), tabulated numbers that came straight from the Navy's Northwest Training and Testing EIS (environmental impact statement) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Letters of Authorization for incidental "takes" of marine mammals issued by NOAA's National Marine Fisheries Service. "It is outrageous to think that humans have quantified all of the impacts their actions cause to the marine environment."
A "take" is a form of harm to an animal that ranges from harassment, to injury, and sometimes to death. Many wildlife conservationists see even "takes" that only cause behavior changes as injurious, because chronic harassment of animals that are feeding or breeding can end up harming, or even contributing to their deaths if they are driven out of habitats critical to their survival.

Karen Sullivan, a spokesperson for the WCAA, is a former endangered species biologist and assistant regional director at the US Fish and Wildlife Service; she is now retired. "The numbers are staggering," she told Truthout, speaking about the number of marine mammals the Navy is permitted to take. "When you realize the same individual animals can be harassed over and over again as they migrate to different areas, there is no mitigation that can make up for these losses except limiting the use of sonar and explosives where these animals are trying to live."

Yet the aforementioned staggering numbers are still lower-end estimates, as they do not include dozens of other military projects in the same areas, such as construction using underwater pile driving, and they only apply to marine mammals, not other species. According to the WCAA, the numbers "do not include takes to endangered and threatened seabirds, fish, sea turtles or terrestrial species impacted by Navy activities, using sonar, explosives, underwater and surface drones, sonobuoys, ships, submarines, aircraft, or troops training on 68 beaches and state parks in western Washington..." "The oceans are delicate and finite; we know now that there is a limit to what the seas can provide," Stolarcyk said. "Oceans are not blue deserts [devoid of life] and should not be treated as such; we must tread carefully, for the footprint we leave will be a lasting one."


Read more: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36037-the-us-navy-s-mass-destruction-of-marine-life

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Reply Navy Allowed to Kill/Injure Nearly 12 Million Whales, Dolphins, Other Marine Mammals in Pacific (Original post)
kadaholo May 2016 OP
yourpaljoey May 2016 #1
reddread May 2016 #4
yourpaljoey May 2016 #6
fasttense May 2016 #10
yourpaljoey May 2016 #11
reddread May 2016 #27
Peregrine Took May 2016 #28
trueblue2007 May 2016 #13
ReRe May 2016 #15
yourpaljoey May 2016 #17
Sunlei May 2016 #18
reddread May 2016 #29
Sunlei May 2016 #37
reddread May 2016 #39
Sunlei May 2016 #40
reddread May 2016 #41
felix_numinous May 2016 #2
yeoman6987 May 2016 #7
felix_numinous May 2016 #8
yeoman6987 May 2016 #9
Sunlei May 2016 #22
hack89 May 2016 #25
Sunlei May 2016 #38
hack89 May 2016 #24
felix_numinous May 2016 #31
DashOneBravo May 2016 #36
ladjf May 2016 #3
harun May 2016 #14
ladjf May 2016 #26
Faux pas May 2016 #5
Gregorian May 2016 #12
PersonNumber503602 May 2016 #16
chervilant May 2016 #19
yourpaljoey May 2016 #20
chervilant May 2016 #32
libodem May 2016 #21
Kang Colby May 2016 #23
ladjf May 2016 #30
Judi Lynn May 2016 #33
Judi Lynn May 2016 #34
WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2016 #35

Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:56 PM

1. Add this to Obama's Legacy

Obama backed this abomination. Was anyone surprised? Really?

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:05 PM

4. it has been going on for decades

 

laying this sort of Defense related animal cruelty at the foot of a given President might be mistaken for exonerating all the others. What the imperial complex wants is MUCH more important than the lives of miserable marine mammals.

just check in with the Family about Dominion.

its all good.

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Response to reddread (Reply #4)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:36 PM

6. Another broken promise. Once again, he didn't even try.

"During his campaign, President Obama promised America he would oppose the killing of these magnificent creatures. Itís time for you and me to hold him to that promise.

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #6)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:03 PM

10. Now, now, did you really expect Obama to follow that carefully worded Democratic platform?

 

Yes, he saiddddddddd he would but it was only words.

He's great at talking and giving speeches. He certainly came off smarter and more sophisticated than any RepubliCON ever was. But alas it was all only words.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #10)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:08 PM

11. And words are all he had, to take our hearts away!

It was almost like a song.
Sadly, the song is Cream's "What a Bringdown"

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #11)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:24 PM

27. double feature

 

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Response to fasttense (Reply #10)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:24 PM

28. I don't think he is an "animal" person.

I feel sorry for those dogs.

As I recall his girls wanted a small dog - something small and cuddly

It was Ted Kennedy's idea for the water dogs. You never see them anymore. I bet they live in "crates" like so many dogs today do - except for videos or special events when they drag them around for show and tell.

The truth will come out some day.

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:16 PM

13. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT. IS. NOT. PRESIDENT. OBAMA'S. FAULT.

are you thinking you're in a GOP place of comfort? Why blame President Obama when this horrible action has been going on for DECADES???

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #13)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:26 PM

15. Then we need to BLAME him for not....

.... STOPPING the slaughter!

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #13)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:34 PM

17. Obama should have TRIED to stop it, instead he rubber-stamped it

This was a big deal among conservationists who were, believe
it or not, surprised and appalled at Obama's green light.
They would learn soon enough.

Pierce Brosnan led the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) in the fight:



https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-training-testing-may-kill-whales-dolphins-082418197.html?ref=gs

http://madmikesamerica.com/2010/04/obama-administration-supports-hunting-killing-of-whales/

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:36 PM

18. President O has protected more land & water than ANY administration in history.

You're just flat out wrong. Stop drinking your tap water.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #18)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:27 PM

29. he stopped fracking?

 

I have got to start paying attention.

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Response to reddread (Reply #29)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:56 PM

37. yes on the protected lands. To stop it on your land, you have to stop taking the lease money from

the Fracking Corps.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #37)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:07 PM

39. he protected protected lands?

 

are we offshore fracking in marine sanctuaries yet?

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Response to reddread (Reply #39)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:16 PM

40. You can use search and find out for yourself.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #40)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:47 PM

41. I did once. Found out what Jerry Brown's dad did in his retirement years

 

Not as easy to relocate that search result these days,
but I sure wont forget that nugget.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:02 PM

2. Sickening

I feel sick reading this, how on Earth can it be stopped?

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:50 PM

7. It can't.

 

There is no way the American people will want to disband our navy. I don't think we'd get 10 percent of a yes from the population of voters.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #7)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:54 PM

8. Not disband

the freaking Navy, just to stop these projects. For godsake I come from a Navy family.

A better project would be to clean up the dying oceans, because the Navy is going to be floating on a dead sea someday if we don't do something now about it. A dying ocean is a far greater danger than anything else right now.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #8)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:00 PM

9. That is a good idea.

 

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #8)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:53 PM

22. agree, Navy has to stop sonar 'blasts' It kills animals who use sonar & stresses other sea animals.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #22)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:20 PM

25. The Navy has to use sonars

it is a fundamental part of what they do.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #25)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:01 PM

38. Todays sonar is a lot louder, reaches much longer distance then it used to be.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #8)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:19 PM

24. How can the Navy train if they can't use sonar, sonobouys and shoot weapons?

if they can't do that then they might as well disband.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #24)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:30 PM

31. Good question

but I know if we can go to the Moon we can figure out how to protect ourselves while not causing so much death and destruction. It would simply be a shift in mission to view our ocean and planet as something to protect rather than allowing so much 'collateral damage'.

I think all that military money can go into Earth preservation, and we would INSTANTLY have the cooperation and respect of most of the civilized world-- who are just as alarmed at seeing Earth changes as we are. We have to change our mission to creating a sustainable future NOW, we can't just give up.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #24)

Mon May 16, 2016, 04:02 PM

36. Like the Army did

When the budgets were tight.

You guys can yell bang bang, make pinging noises while running around on the sand .

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:03 PM

3. They've been doing it for far longer than five years. nt

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Response to ladjf (Reply #3)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:19 PM

14. +1, more like 50

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Response to harun (Reply #14)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:21 PM

26. I haven't actually researched this point. However,

I can remember reading in the news for at least 10 or 15 yrs. that the navy was renewing their
sonar test in the ocean. I just don't understand why they have the need to do this for decades.
Also, oil exploration is creating loud explosions underwater.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:08 PM

5. No words

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:11 PM

12. I always thought the phrase "evil empire" was an accurate description of America's military.

Damn them to hell.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #12)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:32 PM

16. I don't understand why the US doesn't use the same tactics and tech as the

non harmful Russian or Chinese navies.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:36 PM

19. USA! USA!

I am so with Samuel Johnson:

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.



(When are the citizens of this nation going to rise up as one and demand an end to such abominations?!?)

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Response to chervilant (Reply #19)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:39 PM

20. We need to turn this ship around.


We need Bernie now more than ever!

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #20)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:33 PM

32. + a gazillion!!!

#NotMeUs

#DropOutHillary

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:50 PM

21. Well now the Submariners

All have cancer for all their trouble. Our planet is headed for distruction.



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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:13 PM

23. Does anyone have this story from a reputable source?

Last edited Mon May 16, 2016, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Truth out is just a tabloid blog. I think that's the same blog that published the fake Karl Rove indictment story ten years ago.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #23)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:29 PM

30. Try the INTERNET. There are numerous articles on the subject over

several years time. Personally, I can recall articles on the subject at least as long as 15 years ago.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #23)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:37 PM

33. Why would you attempt to pretend this is a bogus story?We've been reading similar stories for years.

Took it to google, without spending more than a second, found a similar one we all saw several years ago:

Navy raises sonar impact on dolphins, whales dramatically

Friday May 11, 2012 2:48 PM

New Navy estimates showing many more dolphins, whales and other marine mammals could be hurt by sonar off Hawaii and Southern California caused alarm among environmentalists on Friday. The Navy, for its part, emphasized those were worst-case estimates and that the numbers cover a much larger testing area than before.

The numbers are in the Navy's new draft environmental impact statement for exercises planned from 2014-2018. In it, the Navy says that, under its preferred alternative, sonar training and testing might unintentionally harm marine mammals 2.8 million times a year over five years.

"The numbers are staggering and there is absolutely no corresponding mitigation to account for this harm," Zak Smith, an attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council, told msnbc.com.

That's up from about 150,000 instances a year in the Navy's impact statement for 2009-2013, Smith added.

More:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/11/11659008-navy-raises-sonar-impact-on-dolphins-whales-dramatically

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Apparently the only sources you accept are corporate news sources, and the rest of us have learned to be skeptical of them in many situations.

DU'ers have trusted upon Truthout here for ages, without your approval. That's fine with us.

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:39 PM

34. Thank you, kadaholo. This information needs to be seen, not hidden. Good people need to know. n/t

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Response to kadaholo (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 03:58 PM

35. This is outrageous.

As we enter a new era to save our precious environment, seems like one of our main enemies is our own county.

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