Trump Lobs 'Rape' Allegation at Bill Clinton in FOX Interview

[tomm2thumbs]

Source: NBC News

Donald Trump on Wednesday used the word "rape" regarding a decades old allegation against Bill Clinton — and said it should be on the table when it comes to scrutiny of Hillary Clinton's campaign. The charge rehashed a controversial claim by an alleged Clinton mistress in the 1990s that was never ultimately corroborated in court. His comments came in a wide-ranging interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity that was taped earlier Wednesday and aired that night. Hannity questioned whether the New York Times, after publishing an extensive evaluation of Trump's professional and personal relationships with women, would take the same approach to Bill Clinton's affairs.

"For example, I looked at The New York Times. Are they going to interview Juanita Broaddrick? Are they going to interview Paula Jones? Are they going to interview Kathleen Willey?" Hannity asked Trump, listing women who have made allegations against Bill Clinton. "In one case, it's about exposure. In another case, it's about groping and fondling and touching against a woman's will."

Trump replied, "And rape."

"And rape," Hannity agreed. Trump continued: "And big settlements, massive settlements. And lots of other things."

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-lobs-rape-allegation-bill-clinton-fox-interview-n576561

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The GOP nominee already digging in the swamp for anything to throw, and this has only just begun. Democrats need to truly, truly examine if they want to see the general election cycle unearth the worst-of-the-worst and see it played out in the media against Democrats.

It's only May, and the 'R' word is already on display, I can't imagine where this idiot is going to go next, but I do know that having to answer to questions like that in the media like NBC News is going to be problematic, as Clinton herself has said all subjects are on the table, all questions are on the table, all associations are on the table.

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and just to be clear, if DU is going to limit what can be posted on the board in the form of news, I'll be the first to agree to have this post deleted immediately, even for discussion reasons, but this stuff is now starting bigtime, and it is not going to be pretty going forward so there probably needs to be a specific forum, perhaps something that doesn't show up on the main page, to throw crap like this out --- as ignoring NBC or other networks is not going to make it go away.

[tomm2thumbs]

1. the general election to come...

early signs of a really, really ugly election

[roamer65]

133. There will be violence if Trumpf is in the general.

It's going to be a lot like a third world "election".

[Frank Cannon]

147. There are third-world "elections" that aren't this horrible.

Those candidates at least pretend to have a minimum of decorum and/or sense of shame. Trump has absolutely none and doesn't care who knows it. His followers love it.

[StayFrosty]

2. That's rich

Coming from the guy whose wife accused him of Rape

[BillZBubb]

6. Have you ever listened to Juanita Broaddrick's story?

I suggest you take off your partisan hat and do so. Broaddrick was a long time, dedicated Democratic party supporter. She had no motive to lie.

As for trump's ex wife's allegation I'll look at that. Sometimes those situations involve a divorce settlement, so things get said to raise the settlement value. Their could be a motive to lie. But, it should be viewed with an open mind.

[Jitter65]

15. Money is always a motive. And yes Broderick's story is fishy to me. nt

[pnwmom]

26. And remember that she produced a sworn affidavit and a deposition saying that

Bill had never made unwanted advances toward her.

[wordpix]

93. "Bill had never made unwanted advances toward her"

That says it all. End of story. Of course, the pea brain repukelicans don't care about the truth.

[Yupster]

145. Monica also produced an affidavit saying she never had sex with Bill

It seems it was standard fare for Bill's lawyer to ask possible accusers to sign one. They generally agreed because they wanted to stay out of the news.

Personally I believe Juanita.

[pnwmom]

149. Knowing the evil Ken Starr did to Julie Steele, I would never ever believe

the recantation of any woman in that investigation who recanted an initial denial.

And Starr also went after Susan McDougal to try to force her to lie about the Clintons. She went to jail for 18 months rather than do so.

I believe Juanita, too -- her initial statement, that is. Not after Ken Starr had a chance to work her over.

[pnwmom]

25. She had every motive to lie. She had already produced an affidavit and deposition

saying that Bill had never made unwanted sexual advances.'But that's not what Ken Starr wanted for his investigation.

When another woman -- Julie Hiatt Steele -- refused to testify in support of Kathleen Willey's kiss-and-grope story, saying it was a lie, Starr charged her with obstruction and prosecuted her. Julie faced 35 years in prison. It was only when the jury deadlocked that Starr gave up on his idea of forcing Julie to confirm Kathleen's story.

Knowing what he tried to do to Julie Steele, I'm convinced he did the same thing to Juanita -- but in her case, he succeeded in getting her to recant her original sworn statements. She'll never have credibility because of what Julie testified -- to Congress -- that Ken Starr did to her, to try to force her to change her testimony.

[Yupster]

38. Monica Lewinsky also produced an affadavit

saying she never had sexual relations with Bill Clinton.

Here it is from the Washington Post. Kind of fits the pattern...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/docs/lewinskyaffidavit.htm

Edited to add that Monica's affadavit says it is signed under penalty of perjury at the end of it. Oops. Boy was she screwed.

[pnwmom]

44. Since the tapes came out, Monica has consistently, till this very day, said the relationship

they had was initiated by her and that it was entirely consensual.

Ken Starr should never have pursued her the way he did, or any of the other women.

[AgerolanAmerican]

59. Given the employment and power relationship

A sexual relationship between a CEO and an intern represents an abuse of power on the part of the CEO regardless of how consensual it was on the intern's part.

[COLGATE4]

78. Even when she initiates it?

Strange logic.

[Jesus Malverde]

122. Yes

Good way to lose your job as CEO, and get your company sued.

[COLGATE4]

141. If that statement were correct at least 20% of Fortune 500

CEO's would have lost their job, many multiple times.

[wordpix]

88. Bill shouldn't have gone there but women were always throwing themselves at him

Tall, handsome, powerful position---he could choose anyone who came his way. Can't say much for his extramarital choices, but I truly doubt rape was a factor.

[pnwmom]

94. She was an 'intern" with a college degree and she was a 22 year old adult. And in that era

there was little to no concern about "power differentials" when both of the people in the relationship felt that the relationship was entirely consensual.

You are looking at them through today's standard's, not the standards of when they were involved. But even today, a typical organization will not ban such relationships outright, but state that if they occur, and the lower level staffer brings a complaint, then that complaint will be acted on. But Monica Lewinsky never had any complaint, except for how she felt the whole world treated her afterwards.

[Jesus Malverde]

123. Except as commander in chief it opened him up to blackmail.

Netanyahu said to have offered Lewinsky tapes for Pollard


Israel attempted to use tapes of former US president Bill Clinton’s steamy conversations with intern Monica Lewinsky to leverage the release of Jonathan Pollard, a new book on the Clinton family’s political enterprises has claimed. In the book, titled “Clinton Inc: The Audacious Rebuilding of a Political Machine,” author Daniel Halper relies on on-the-record interviews with former officials together with a close analysis of documents termed “the Monica Files” to paint a salacious – and uncomplimentary – picture of one of the most prominent political families in the United States.

Halper reviewed hundreds of pages of documents compiled as a contingency to use in case the former intern ever was involved in legal action against Clinton.

According to the author, the documents indicate that during the Wye Plantation talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, held in Maryland in 1998, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pulled Bill Clinton aside to press for Pollard’s release.

Halper said that Israel had found new leverage to push for Pollard’s release.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-to-have-offered-lewinsky-tapes-for-pollard/

[zigby]

134. What a fuckin' steaming pantload

"there was little to no concern about "power differentials". You're going to sit there and argue that Bill Fucking Clinton didn't know it was wrong to stick his dick into interns in the 90s? Nine to Five came out in 1980. Catherine McKinnon wrote the literal book on it in 1979.

I saw this shit time and time again in grad school, crusty-ass old white professors bending their "consenting" coeds over their desks, creating a really hostile environment for those of us who weren't comfortable with people giving us GRADES fucking someone 40 years their junior.

There's a reason doctors aren't supposed to fuck their patients. Or psychologists theirs. Or senior management their underlings. Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean people shouldn't be doing it for a myriad of reasons, and it carries consequences like broken tenure, loss of licensure, and impeachment.

Let me finish by saying I don't think Hillary should come under the microscope for anything Bill did with his dick.

But I won't sit here and listen to you rewrite history to suit your partisan narrative, ESPECIALLY when I've seen you go ballistic over shit like e-cigarretes when it comes to OH WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN! I'd rather have my daughter vaping than sucking off a rich powerful old white man. But you do you.

[pnwmom]

135. 9 to 5 had to do with harassment. Monica Lewinsky was the enthusiastic initiator

of their relationship. In interviews then and again just a couple years ago, she has stated that the relationship was entirely consensual and that she initiated it.

What disturbed her wasn't the relationship but the public reaction afterwards and the failure of Clinton or anyone else to shield her from it.

[Akicita]

137. Monica may have had no complaints. What about the other interns?

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Isn't the fact that the only unpaid intern to receive a cushy paid job is the one giving the big boss blow jobs the very definition of a sexually harassing workplace environment?

[Yupster]

146. And then there was the president's pal Vernon Jordan

flying her up to New York to offer her a six figure job with Revlon which she had no qualifications for other than her boyfriend's golfing buddy was on the Board.

Bet other interns didn't get that little perk either.

[Akicita]

29. I watched the Juanita Brodderick NBC interview back in the 1990's and looked into her story.

Very credible. I believe her. A close loved one of mine was brutally raped in the mid 90's and when I saw what the Clinton machine did to Bill's accusers I was disgusted to think that my loved one would have been trashed, humiliated, and intimidated too if Bill had been her rapist. I couldn't stand the Clintons ever since, even though I voted for him twice before I realized he is a predator.

[McCamy Taylor]

36. I saw it, too. She was lying. Obviously lying.

[Yupster]

40. I believed her then

Just read her Wikipedia. Yup. I believe her.

When it comes to being a husband and a man, Bill's a real piece of s**t.

That is not a defense of Trump. He is just as bad or worse.

[Akicita]

41. We can agree to disagree. I say let the women tell their stories and be heard.

Trump's accusers and Clinton's accusers. Times have changed and women should no longer be silenced or shamed from telling their stories of sexual violence allegedly done to them. The old tactics of slut shaming, intimidating, and sliming accusers doesn't work in this day and age.

[BillZBubb]

79. Her motive?

Her story sounds very much like that of someone I know. Same sort of circumstances. I absolutely believe Ms. Broaddrick.

We'll never know for certain, but her story is a powerful one. I do find it odd that so many women dismiss her as a liar.

[wordpix]

89. "I realized he is a predator"---yes, and you were in the bedroom, too

[Akicita]

103. In the same way I realized Bill Cosby is a predator. Not 100% sure because nothing has been proven.

[840high]

109. Were you?

[840high]

108. I believed her.

[BillZBubb]

114. Yeah, me too. That's when my very high opinion of Clinton fell

to zero. I'd heard similar story (not about BC of course) from a woman I know. She was devastated. She feels guilty because she never told anyone for so long and that's only one of her problems. Truly a horrible thing.

What I don't get is the Hillary campaign is supposed to be, at least in part, about feminism. It seems like it is more about defending the Clintons at all costs.

[duhneece]

132. It's possible that you saw the accusations through the lens of your friend

You sound like a compassionate person and may have heard the Clinton story through the lens of having a friend who experienced a brutal rape.
Just saying.
Had you seriously considered that?

[Akicita]

138. Yes. I have considered that. I am an analytical thinker and looked very hard at the Brodderick

case. I found her to be credible and her story had no holes and her story was supported by friends and co workers. For her to be lying it would have to mean that her co-worker and room mate at the hotel was also lying that Juanita was upset and crying with torn pantyhose and a bloody lip and who said that Juanita told her Bill Clinton just raped her. Also, 3-4 of her friends who saw her swollen lip and who Juanita told contemporaneously that Clinton raped her.

The only hole in her story is that she signed an affidavit denying it. But so did Monica Lewinsky and several other Clinton women. It was a pattern.

Have you considered that you may be looking at this case through the lens of a Clinton supporter? I was a Clinton supporter too and I think what happened to my friend took away the politically biased lens I may have had and actually made me more objective when examining the Broderick case.

[pnwmom]

151. After what we know Ken Starr did to Julie Steele and Susan McDougal

to try to force them into lying, I don't believe Broderick's changed story.

[videohead5]

45. Problems With Her Story

This was investigated by someone I can't remember his name but after this alleged rape happened when Bill Clinton came back to Mrs Broaddrick's town she called a reporter and camera man wanting them to cover the Governor visiting the town and I think her nursing home she and her husband owned..if she had been raped why would she call the media the next time Bill came to town?...it sounds fishy to me.I don't understand how Trump has the nerve when he's being sued by a woman in California for rape when she was 13 years old.


http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/donald-trump-sued-sexual-abuse-jeffrey-epstein-claims/

[BillZBubb]

80. I'm not sure that's as unusual as you think.

Why do a lot of women stay with their abusers? Does that mean the abuse never happened?

[wordpix]

92. "if she had been raped why would she call the media the next time Bill came to town?"

Good question. I was sexually harassed by a professor and finally put an end to it by telling him I would blow up his career if he said those things ever again. I never had anything to do with him after the courses were over. The fact Broaddrick knew when Bill was coming to town after the alleged rape indicates she's following him through media reports and is at least a bit obsessed, which is weird that a woman would be obsessed with/following the movements (stalking?) her rapist. I would want to stay as far away as possible, myself.

[Akicita]

136. If I was a rape victim I would want to know if my rapist were coming back to town too.

[Gabi Hayes]

142. because the media WON'T cover it!

there/s a new filing, which I started a thread about, and it's being ignored....not just the entire story, but the filing itself has not been reported, and certainly not discussed AT ALL on any of the wobbling head shows on cable.

Stephanie Miller has discussed it, but you'll have a hard time finding it anywhere else than left wing radio, or here.

[lexington filly]

50. Yeah, and sometimes wives are financially coerced to "take back" things that are true.

Trump had a prenup with Ivana so the price he was willing to pay to "unsay" something would have been a real rainmaker and kept him from making post marriage problems for her re: their kids and her access to all the amenities. Think she still has an apartment in Trump Towers.

[moonbabygo]

64. I wanted to say what you just said

but I would have been kicked out or called names.

I remember the interview of Broaddrick she was still crying after all these years. She could have just stayed on her horse farm living her life, but chose to tell her story.

[obamanut2012]

87. Ken Starr gave zero credence to her story

I wouldn't call Ken Starr a Clinton apologist. Would you?

[BillZBubb]

91. Oh please. Ken Starr couldn't use that to prosecute Clinton.

Even if he believed her story was true, he could not get sufficient evidence for a conviction. He wasn't going to set back his investigation by introducing that into the mix. It was he said, she said.

[pnwmom]

152. He was looking for ANYONE to provide evidence like this. That's why he tried

to put Julie Steele into prison for more than 30 years. If Juanita's story held water, he would have used it.

[840high]

107. Trump's wife took it back. I have

listened to Juanita and believe her.

[Demsrule86]

129. so credible not.

"Broaddrick says she did not tell her then-husband, Gary Hickey, about the incident, and told him she accidentally injured her lip. He told NBC he did not remember the injury or her excuse.[3][5]

At the time, she was having an affair with her eventual second husband, David Broaddrick. He says he noticed her injured lip, and she told him that Clinton had raped her when he asked about it.[3] Three other friends confirmed that Broaddrick had told them about the incident at the time: Susan Lewis, Louis Ma, and Jean Darden, Norma Rogers’ sister.[3]"

She makes claims about a decades old rape? She was never credible except to Hillary and Bill haters which now includes Bernie supporters.

[Bradical79]

143. I think Ken Starr casts reasonable doubt on a lot of the story

He didn't just dig for dirt, but attempted to coerce stories from women by trying to ruin their lives. He took a strategy usually used to shut up women who had been raped or coerce confessions and flipped it to try and take down the President for partisan reasons. Without actual evidence like in the consensual Lewensky affair, I think it casts doubt on a lot of the information gathered by Starr.

[Akicita]

160. Without actual evidence of what? Starr was given evidence that Lewinski was being coerced to

commit perjury by Clinton. That evidence was Lewinsky's own words on tape. That's what he was investigating. Why shouldn't he? Coercing perjury is a crime.

[leftyladyfrommo]

70. Isn't there an ongoing civil suit against Trump

for some pretty awful sexual stuff back in the 90's?

[leftyladyfrommo]

159. A guy who is currently being investigated

For
rape of a 13 year old.

[pnwmom]

3. Trump has had at least two women accuse him of rape. Ivana, in her divorce action,

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and another woman in 1997.

I bet there are more out there.

[JCMach1]

21. Here is the link for the Ivana story... he is a sick POS

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

[pnwmom]

23. And remember what his lawyer said?

He said Trump didn't rape Ivana because it wasn't possible to rape someone you were married to . . . but that NY law had changed a few years earlier. So the lawyer backhandedly confirmed Ivana's story.

[JCMach1]

24. Exactly, to paraphrase you can't rape your own wife!

[wordpix]

97. "After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot" --at least we now know

how truly narcissistic Drumpster is, if we didn't know before. what a dangerous asshole.

[Akicita]

42. Trump's alleged victims should be heard too. Let them tell their stories.

No more slut shaming or intimidation of alleged victims.

[pnwmom]

43. Hillary never slut-shamed the women involved with her husband, never said anything about them,

despite all the provocation. The only thing people even today can point to is a single email she wrote to a personal friend, calling Monica a name. But it was meant to be a private communication between friends and would have remained so except for the Rethugs pouring over her emails.

And the only person I know who was involved in intimidation was Ken Starr, who prosecuted Julie Hiatt Steele for obstruction because she refused to recant her testimony that she couldn't confirm Kathleen Willey's kiss-and-grope story.

Trying to use Bill's transgressions against Hillary is just as despicable when Bernie people do it as when Trump people do it.

[Akicita]

46. Hillary is quoted by George Stephanopoulos in his book as saying "We must destroy her story" about

one of Bill's women. And Sid Blumenthal was dispatched to spread rumors that Lewinsky was a deranged stalker. He is Hillary's confidant. And to think that Bill's co-president was not involved in all the trashing of Bill's women to protect him is just naïve.

[pnwmom]

51. Kathleen Willey was a liar, according to both Linda Tripp and Julie Hiatt Steele.

Her story deserved to be destroyed.

Hillary believed Bill about Monica, till her faith in him was proven wrong. Plenty of married women with cheating husbands are that naive. And both these stories came out as part of the Ken Starr investigation. For all Hillary knew, all the stories were garbage -- like the Travel Office scandal, the Christmas card list scandal, Whitewater, and everything else Ken Starr and the Rethugs had dug into.

Imagine being Hillary and swept into one nasty investigation after another -- even being accused of the Vince Foster murder -- and now the prosecutor has shifted to a new focus: accusing your husband of adultery. I don't blame her one bit for choosing to believe Bill and not Ken Starr.

And it all started with Paula Jones, who first appeared with a Republican handler, asking for several hundred thousand dollars in damages. I would have been suspicious of her, too.

[Akicita]

53. Willey may well be a liar. I don't know. She is not the woman referred to in the "We must destroy

Her story" quote.

[pnwmom]

57. Who is? Do you have a link? n/t

[Akicita]

60. Connie Hamsey.

[wordpix]

95. uh, it's not unusual for a wife to trash the other woman

Just human nature, whether you're in a powerful position or not.

That video of Lewinsky meeting Bill after some trip, where she's in the crowd waiting for him to smile upon her, was creepy and I don't doubt she did stalk him there and elsewhere.

[creeksneakers2]

156. Blumenthal denies that story

[Feeling the Bern]

4. This coming from someone who likes to attempt to impregnate 13 year old girls

then throws money at the and screams "get a fucking abortion" when the girl cries she doesn't want to get pregnant.

[840high]

110. What does that have to do

with Bill's actions?

[Feeling the Bern]

115. Glass houses. . .you know.

[djean111]

126. That is the point - the Clintons and Trump live in huge glass mansions, FFS.

Neither has any moral edge over the other. Yes, there were settlements and loss of license to practice law. As a Democrat, I am embarrassed. Which is why, if Hillary is the nominee, I will no longer be a Democrat.

The GOP has been accumulating the massive pile of Clinton baggage for years and years. No sympathy or empathy from me - they earned that baggage, they knew the baggage would be put on full display.

I mentioned Bill Clinton to my 21 YO grandson - the two things he said were "fuck NAFTA" (he and his friends are quite aware of how bad the TPP will be for them, you know) and "heh heh heh". As far as I am concerned, it is time to get the hook and drag this off the national stage. Past time.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. And some thought Bernie was a tough opponent.

I predict stormy weather on the horizon..........

[Peregrine Took]

7. Lets get it all out there. All those women should be allowed to have a public hearing

detailing their experiences with him.

What's wrong with that? Afraid what they might say? Its a different era now. The old woman hating slut shaming is no longer fashionable among decent people.

These women been ridiculed and horribly derided since day one. How was everyone so very sure they were in the wrong - the culprits and poor Bill was the innocent victim.

[pnwmom]

18. They already had a several year long investigation run by Ken Starr

and plenty of opportunity to make their stories public.

Paula Jones, accompanied by her Rethug handlers, claimed Bill had exposed himself and asked if she wanted to give him oral sex. She said no and left, and sued him for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ken Starr switched the focus of his investigation from real estate deals to sex -- looking for some pattern that could confirm Paula's story. He never found one.

Linda Tripp brought him tape recordings of her conversations with Monica Lewinsky, discussing her fling with the President. Monica has consistently said that SHE first approached HIM; and even today, as a middle aged woman, she insists their relationship was consensual.

Kathleen Willey's story of having been kissed and groped was contradicted by two of her own friends. Linda Tripp (who turned over her Monica tapes to Ken Starr) says that Kathleen was eager for a relationship with Bill but it didn't happen. And Julie Hiatt Steele, another friend, says that Kathleen asked her to lie for her. Julie made a public address to Congress explaining how Ken Starr tried to force her into confirming Kathleen's story against Bill. Ken charged Julie with obstruction of justice because she wouldn't confirm Kathleen's story, and she faced 35 years in prison. The jury deadlocked and Ken Starr decided not to retry.

Juanita Broaddrick swore out an affidavit and signed a deposition saying that Bill had not made unwelcome sexual advances in the 70's. More than a year later Ken Starr gave her immunity and she changed her story to say Clinton had assaulted her. (Remember that he tried but failed to force Julie Hiatt Steele to change her sworn affadavits.) However, Ken Starr didn't pursue the allegation. By this point the jury had hung in Julie Hiatt Steele's trial and Starr gave up.

Ken Starr spent years trying to prove that Bill had harmed a woman, any woman, and never succeeded, despite threatening at least one woman -- Julie Steele -- with prison for not confirming the story he wanted to prove.

This is why so many are sure there is nothing there. We saw it all played out in real time. And we saw the never-ending investigation and the monster at the heart of it: Ken Starr.

[PearliePoo2]

30. Thanks for the background info. I'd forgotten most of all this.

I fear we'll all be going back down memory lane soon enough. Ughhh

[pnwmom]

52. There was one more name that gets thrown around.

Gennifer Flowers. She was a woman who claimed to have had a multi-year consensual affair with Bill before he was President. So what.

[Yupster]

84. The problem with the Gennifer affair

was that Bill gave her a state job while they were having the affair.

[pnwmom]

90. According to you. But Wikipedia doesn't say anything about that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennifer_Flowers

[Yupster]

150. Here is her affidavit posted in the Washington Post

Note paragraph numbers five and six about how she got the state job and how another person filed a grievence saying she was more qualified than Gennifer yet Gennifer got the job.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/docs/flowers031398.htm

[Gidney N Cloyd]

75. Handy, succinct info on Starr, et al. Thanks for posting.

[Dan]

8. Curious - Bill C. Running for president again?

Just curious

[AzDar]

14. According To Hillary...He'll Play A Big Part In Her Administration (jeebus help us)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/news/economy/hillary-bill-clinton-economic-job-growth/


Sooo, YEAH.

[pnwmom]

96. And Jane Sanders will be one of her husband's top advisors.

The brainiac with an online degree whose pie-in-the-sky college expansion dream was responsible for getting the 10 million in loans that drove Burlington College into the ground.

[Lady_Chat]

116. Trump will go after Jane Sanders, her looks, her business dealings

You name it. Look at the nasty things he has said about women. Look at the comparison photo, he put up of his wife versus Heidi Cruz. Jane Sanders can expect the worst. There is nothing Trump won't say, he's vicious and his "fans" love it.

[jwirr]

83. No but he is going to be living in the WH again if she wins.

[djean111]

127. It doesn't fucking MATTER to VOTERS if it is Bill or Hillary running.

Being snide about who is actually running is pointless. And it is not like Jane Sanders has not been pilloried by Hillary supporters here at DU. She is not running for office, either.

[BillZBubb]

9. I would suggest everyone look at Juanita Broaddrick's story.

Then make your own conclusion. If you want to defend the Clinton's on this at least get the information.

[SunSeeker]

22. Juanita Broaddrick stated under penalty of perjury that Bill had not made unwelcome advances.

Then Ken Starr got her to change her story. Even then, nothing came of it.

It is shameful to see a DUer carry Ken Starr's water here.

[pnwmom]

28. Right. He also prosecuted Julie Hiatt Steele for obstruction because she refused

to lie and confirm Kathleen Willey's story. Knowing how hard he tried to make Steele recant her sworn testimony (contradicting Kathleen's kiss-and-grope tale), it is easy to imagine how he could have put pressure on Broaddrick to recant her sworn testimony.

[Akicita]

32. juanita Brodderick did not want to come forward. She is a private person. The Clinton machine

cajoled her to sign an affidavit saying nothing happened. When Ken Starr interviewed her she realized she would be in big trouble if she didn't tell the truth so she reluctantly told what happened under oath, which was a brutal rape. NBC did a big investigation and everything in her story checked out. They told her the good news was that she was credible but the bad news was she was too credible.

NBC refused to air the story until after the impeachment was over even though the public was demanding they do so. They finally aired it once under public pressure and then buried it.

It is shameful to see a DUer carry water for a possible sex predator here and not give his accuser a fair hearing for political reasons.

[SunSeeker]

33. Wow. So now some Sanders supporters have resorted to reflinging poo thrown by Trump.

[Akicita]

34. You're right Sun Seeker. Women who are alleged victims of sexual violence should expect support from

progressives that their stories be heard unless the alleged sex predator is our friend, our hair dresser, our favorite movie star, or our favorite politician. Then their stories should be ignored and they should be trashed. Why don't you come back with a comment making fun of their big hair or say something like if you drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park who knows what you'll find?

[Democat]

35. She herself said that she was not a victim

You are on the side of Republicans.

[Akicita]

39. I am on the side of alleged sexual violence victims.

A close loved one of mine was brutally raped during that time period. When I saw what the Clintons did to trash his accusers I was disgusted because they would have done the same to my loved one had Bill been her rapist. I can't stand the Clinton's ever since even though I had voted for him previously. That doesn't make me on the side of the repugs. It makes me against sex predators.

I could return the snark and say you are on the side of sex predators but I'll refrain from that because I think you are just driven by politics. Too bad you care more about that than sexual violence against women. I think it is horrible to protect an alleged sex predator even for politics.

[Democat]

47. You are on the side of Republicans against Clinton

That is a fact.

[Akicita]

48. Just as much a fact as you are on the side of sex predators against women then.

At least when the alleged predator agrees with your politics.

Since when are Republicans more anti sex predator than Democrats?

[Democat]

49. Sure, and Bill Clinton also killed Vince Foster

What if someone falsely says "Sanders is a rapist".

Does that mean you are on the side of sexual predators? Or in that case, would you call the accuser a liar?

What about Boxer saying that Sanders supporters made her fear for her life? Do you agree that we must believe Boxer and that Sanders supporters are guilty?

There are many who claim that Clinton killed Vince Foster. Is everyone who supports Clinton and murder supporter too?

You are on the side of Republicans over Democrats.

[Akicita]

55. No. I am on the side of alleged victims over alleged predators.

I never called Clinton a rapist. He is an alleged rapist and what I am saying is she should be heard. I am just as adamant that Trump's victims should be heard.

Do you think Trump's victims should be heard? Or are you so pro sex predator that you believe no alleged victims should be heard?

[Lord Magus]

121. She has been heard and she's a discredited liar. -nt-

[lexington filly]

62. I've been a victim of sexual violence but I don't

follow your particular logic. Either way a man would have tried their damndest to discredit the women. If innocent, then Bill Clinton would have fought for his good reputation and you do that by discrediting the person falsely accusing you. And if guilty, men do the same thing. So I don't see that as an any indication whether or not the accuser is telling the truth or whether or not Clinton is lying.

[wordpix]

98. so am I, but some "victims" aren't victims

They are accusers but their allegations can't be proven. Sometimes they are lying to be paid off to shut up about an affair or one night stand, or get their 15 min. of fame.

[SunSeeker]

105. No Hillary supporter is trashing women in this thread.

On the contrary, I see Hillary supporters pointing out how Starr intimidated and used these women to go after Bill Clinton.

Sanders supporters dredging up Starr's muck should be ashamed of themselves. They are not doing it to "support" these women; they're doing it to smear Hillary Clinton in a desperate attempt to revive Sanders' hopeless campaign.

[Akicita]

106. So Bill Clinton is the victim right? Do you view Bill Cosby as the victim too?

[emulatorloo]

154. Stop shoving words into other people's mouths

It does nothing for your credibility.

[lexington filly]

61. Younger DU's may find it difficult to understand those of us who lived through the Clinton

election cycles and White House. They were accused of and investigated for everything but killing OJ Simpson's wife. Literally they were persecuted and prosecuted by the Republicans. Over minor things to accusing them of killing a close friend and aid (Foster) who committed suicide in a public park. The Clintons were given a political colonoscopy on a weekly basis. After investigation upon investigation then re-investigations and nothing ever, EVER was proven except he lied publicly about messing around on his wife by having oral sex with a young intern because they were mutually attracted to one another. Imagine a Republican political climate where they felt it was ok to march a sitting President into a room and question him about a mutual dalliance. The young woman hadn't complained, nor had the President. At the time I really wanted Hillary to divorce his behind for betraying her but he was not my husband to shed. If course I wasn't best friends with my husband. Neither one. lol

So, when Trump yells "rape!" many of us are inclined to yawn because we've seen this particular movie about the Clintons over and over and over again. For 8+ yrs beginning in the 90's. A word to the wise: when a Republican tells you to stop and look at that HUGE GD mountain.....Most likely it's a small hill of pesky Repub fire ants. To date anyway, that has exactly been my experience.

[Lady_Chat]

118. +1000 So true!

One useless investigation after another, millions and millions spent for nothing. It would be funny, except you know that money could have been better spent in helping people.

[Sand Rat Expat]

144. I was in my teens back then and didn't follow politics much...

But I thought then and still think now that if Bill had said, "Yes, I did have a consensual sexual relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. That being said, it is no one's business but mine, my wife's, and Ms. Lewinsky's, so I will kindly ask you to to butt out" most of America would have said "Damn right, Bill!"

It's not as if he's the first President ever to have an affair. By many accounts both JFK and LBJ were total horndogs. If Bill had just copped to it, I don't think most of America would have cared beyond that. The GOP and their supporters would have, of course, but it'd be a lot harder to make a case against a penitent Bill than a lying Bill.

What I remember that pissed most people off was that he expected the public to believe his word over evidence like the blue dress. My grandpa was a huge fan of "Bubba" and even he was irritated at the insult to everyone's intelligence. Only the "moral majority" and the GOP gave a rat's ass that Bill slept around, and even then only insofar as it gave them ammunition against him. Everyone else was irked at the stupid lies about it.

[snooper2]

162. "Or how about the Repug abuse of power in impeaching Clinton?"

Your own post from 11 years ago LOL - I guess you weren't "feeling the bern" then


This is nothing new.
During the VietNam debacle the American public was equally amoral. Same during Reagan's Contra support. Or how about the Repug abuse of power in impeaching Clinton?

Your mistake is trying to view what's going on with the Chimperor as an aberration. It isn't. It's who we are as a people and it's not very flattering.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2950080

[Jack Rabbit]

10. It looks like this campaign is going straingt into the gutter

. . . because Donald Trump is a know nothing who can't find anything better to do than speculate about Bill Clinton's sex life when there's plenty concerning his own about which to speculate.

The scions of journalism like the Washington Post and the New York Times have failed to do their jobs, but it doesn't matter. This election will be best covered by the National Enquirer, which is best at reporting stuff I either don't believe or don't care about or more often neither believe nor care about.

[BlueNoMatterWho]

13. Then

Then make sure you don't check out the cover of the current NE on the racks now. Garbage.

[Jesus Malverde]

124. Ironic....nt

[imari362]

31. You are saying, just what I'm thinking.

We'll all need a steaming hot shower, with Trump in the GE....the man is beyond pond scum, nothing off base with him.
The supposed "media" will suck it up and spit it out all over the place...yuk

[Cosmocat]

67. its a good move on his part

sadly, in this brain dead, stupid ass country ...

He knows he is misogynistic POS running against a women and is vulnerable because of it, so he will do what POS generally, and conservatives as an absolute rule, do,muddy it up by pre-emptively stinking her with it.

I wish we lived in a world/country where that painfully obvious truth would fall completely flat.

But, this is the United States, circa 2016.

[bemildred]

11. Donald Trump Brings Up 1999 Rape Allegation Against Bill Clinton

Donald J. Trump escalated his attacks on former President Bill Clinton’s past in an interview on Wednesday with Sean Hannity on Fox News, bringing up an old allegation of rape.

Discussing a recent New York Times article regarding Mr. Trump’s history with women, Mr. Hannity led Mr. Trump down a line of questioning, naming women who had accused Mr. Clinton of sexual misconduct.

“For example, I looked at The New York Times,” Mr. Hannity said. “Are they going to interview Juanita Broaddrick? Are they going to interview Paula Jones? Are they going to interview Kathleen Willey?”

He continued: “In one case, it’s about exposure. In another case, it’s about groping and fondling and touching against a woman’s will.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/donald-trump-bill-clinton.html?_r=0

[Firebrand Gary]

12. This should have been beneath even you...

[jpak]

16. Trump is a misogynist asshole - and everyone knows this

proceed moran

yup

[MisterP]

17. here's the quotes (NSFW)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html
http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-trumps-ex-wife-accused-him-of-brutally-1721129617

[Warpy]

20. Methinks he doth project too much

[world wide wally]

27. Time to throw it right back at Trump if anyone running has the balls.

[McCamy Taylor]

37. Now I know Trump is just in it for the Citizens United money.

[EdwardBernays]

54. why this matters in 2016

I'll let Vox sum up how this affects 2016:

"As Goldberg notes, some of the conservatives resurfacing the Broaddrick case are clearly doing so in bad faith to attack the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, who certainly did not personally assault Broaddrick (Broaddrick's allegations of intimidation aside). But the Clinton critics have a point. There is a crucial tension between "believe survivors" and the "Juanita Broaddrick is lying" position of some Clinton defenders, lacking further information.

One answer might be giving up the former position. Many, including Harvard Law's Jeannie Suk, have argued that defaulting to believing every accusation of rape "harms the overall credibility of sexual assault claims," given that false claims do happen, albeit quite rarely. But whatever the merits of that view, adopting it would be a big pivot for Hillary Clinton, given that just a couple of months ago she was tweeting, "Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported." There's no easy way to reconcile that view with her allies' dismissal of Broaddrick's allegations."

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10722580/bill-clinton-juanita-broaddrick

[pampango]

58. Personal attack against a candidate's spouse? Donald has been there. Done that.

Discussing government policy, without reversing himself every 5 minutes, is not his 'thing'. Winning by pandering and insulting is his 'strong point'.

[djean111]

128. That statement can sure be applied elsewhere. I had to laugh, sorry! n/t

[liberal N proud]

63. This kind of shit is to be expected from slime like Trump

[Kingofalldems]

65. Oh it's about Hillary. I get it.

With a charge from a serial right wing liar as LBN.

Bernie didn't get enough votes. Deal with it.

[bucolic_frolic]

66. Money Talks

and people will talk when they are paid

no matter the truth of what they're told to say

[Doctor_J]

68. Dear Badhair McBombast

This strategy won't work. As Mrs Clinton's campaign has shown, these sorts of attacks

1. Make your supporters look pathetic
2. Increase the resolve of your opponent's supporters
3. Increase your own unfavorability. A lot.

If you would like to send me a check for providing this sage advice, please pm me for my PayPal I'd.

[yourpaljoey]

69. The Truth is not their friend. What will he say about the 26?

[Blue_Tires]

71. Why is this LBN?

Just wondering...

[Odin2005]

72. OFFS, Bill may be a womanizing asshole, but he's no rapist.

[BillZBubb]

81. I certainly am not convinced you are right.

I believe Juanita Broaddrick.

[MosheFeingold]

85. I am worried about his trips with Jeff Epstien

On the so-called Lolita express.

Epstein is a convicted pedophile, they flew together north of 25 times, and Clinton would ditch his secret service protection.

Several underage prostitutes have come forward alleging sex.

True or not, that's the kind of thing people will take seriously, especially given his history and the number of accusers.

Of course, Trump has similar problems with Epstein.

It's going to be very, very ugly.

[mikehiggins]

102. Nobody has accused Bill Clinton of being part of Epstein's perversion.

Anyone at all might someday find that a person they thought a legitimate human being had a harem of underage girls (or boys) if they were wealthy enough. This crap can be found all over the world and claiming it is somehow damning of Clinton for knowing a man subsequently accused of pedophilia, or even flew on his plane, doesn't bother me half as much as Bill and Hillary vacationing with Henry Kissinger.

Now THAT is a scandal.

[creeksneakers2]

157. Its been years now

and many of the girls have come forward. None have named Clinton. If he'd done anything, we would know by now.

[840high]

111. We don't really know.

[Geronimoe]

73. It is time media covered Jeffery Epstein

Bill Clinton's best buddy, a billionaire who trafficked in teen sex slavery. Flight logs show Bill made 22 flights on "Loita Express".

[Merryland]

76. It sure is.

This story is sickening & needs to be fully told as his wife continues her (losing) run for the Presidency. Ugh.

[840high]

112. The only place that fully

covered it was DailyMail.

[Lady_Chat]

117. Won't happen, since Trump is also a "buddy" of Epstein

and apparently two of the young women involved are suing Trump for rape.

[JGug1]

74. Limiting Free Speech On DU

I don't think DU should limit posting. That is what Red State and the rest of the right wingnut blogs do. HOWEVER, some of the stuff written here actually does come off as something written by an infiltrator, written to try to create havoc. Instead of intimating that the Democrats should turn to someone else instead of Hillary Clinton, it seems to me that any sentient person should be showing outrage over the comparison of asking Trump about his relations with women to asking Hillary about Bill's relations with women. Bill Clinton is not running for President. Trump IS running for President......you know, the guy who thinks his daughter is HOT and poses with her, in a short skirt, sitting on daddy's lap....That Trump.

[Laser102]

77. Trump bringing this out, this early, tells me he's afraid of Hillary.

He also has a civil case being litigated in court about a thirteen year old he had sex with. She's an adult now and is suing him. She may be as credible as Jaunita (not) but we will see.

[BillZBubb]

82. Oh, please. trump tries to destroy any opponent.

Hillary is getting the same treatment as everyone trump has run against.

He's certainly not afraid of her.

Juanita Broaddrick is very credible and Hillary had better hope Ms. Broaddrick refuses to make any new statements on the matter. The misogyny of the Clinton fanatics is astounding. Demeaning and trashing victims of sexual assault is fine if Clinton was the perp.

[closeupready]

86. I don't undertand your concluding paragraph - why would this story

be deleted? It's a story.

[leftyladyfrommo]

99. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

He's depending on the fact that Hillary won't even answer these allegations. She doesn't want to get into a mud slinging contest which ultimately hurts everybody.

"When people go low, he goes high." Michele Obama about her husband.

[Purveyor]

101. The sight of both of them, Trump and Bill, makes my skin crawl...

[840high]

113. yes

[NoMoreRepugs]

104. Of course this is going to be the nastiest election any of us can recall...

who gives a rats ass what someone's SPOUSE did? Especially if a $60million 2 year investigation turned up NOTHING of consequence - apparently a shitload of people on this site. The Repukes are gonna be Repukes and make the election about everything but facts and reality - get on board and vote for the Democratic candidate or get ready for your country to start moving back in time 40-50-60 years...


gotta say there aren't many here who'd I'd want to have my back in a street fight...

[Lady_Chat]

120. And Trump is loving it

Can't blame him, it's like a gift that keeps giving. He knows he's polling terribly with women, so this is a great distraction from his history with women. I agree with you, no one cared in the 90's, they saw through the bs for what it was, politics, and Clinton's approvals were at 64% when he left office. Some think it will help Sanders, it won't, he hasn't even started on Sanders, except to call him "crazy", or his wife, just yet. But you know he will, and he won't spare the rod, Jane Sanders will be the next spouse he goes after, he seems to have a lot of success doing that. In the meantime Trump can sit back and watch us destroy each other. Trump is a bully, hate to see a bully win. What he could do with the Supreme Court, gives me nightmares.

Agree with your last statement, big time.

[Freddie Stubbs]

119. Trump thinks that Clinton is a rapist. What kind of person would invite a rapist to their wedding?

[greymattermom]

158. another rapist?

[justiceischeap]

125. "Democrats need to truly, truly examine if they want to see the general election cycle unearth"

"Democrats need to truly, truly examine if they want to see the general election cycle unearth the worst-of-the-worst"

What is the alternative?

Do we toss aside the candidate that has beat all primary candidates (including Trump) in the popular vote (i.e. has gotten more votes than any other candidate), has more pledged delegates and super delegates and just gave a tide-turning speech against the GOP nominee because the GE will get nasty?

When Trump became the GOP nominee, we knew we'd have to listen to him spout lies and vitriol for most of this year, that's not a new discovery. Whether you like it or not, a lot of Democrats remember Pres. Bill Clinton being a good President but guess what? Bill Clinton isn't running for President and the majority of the voting public have forgiven him his sexual sins. Also, if Ken Start or any other Republican could have gotten him for rape, they would have. The Clinton's are two of the most vetted public figures we'll know in our lifetime.

[katsy]

130. It wouldn't matter who the nominee is.

trump is the vilest piece of shit for a human being I have ever been exposed to. Ever.

He oozes poison from every part of his being.

There's going to be much pain in this election season.

[madokie]

131. I'm one percent from

being a bernie or bust guy but I have to say that Bill Clinton is not running for the job, his wife is. Leave him out of it. Its dirty politics to harp on him. I could care less about Bill at this point, its Hillary that worries me.

so fuck off tRump

My apologies for being so vulgar this early.

Peace

[Sunlei]

139. republican fox is the best at what they do.

[liberalsoothsayer]

140. Why bother

I think Hillary is as much of a victim as the woman Bill abused. I just can't understand why she would run when she and the family will be forced to hear about the abuse over and over. It is amazing that her desire for power is more important then protecting her family from further shame.

[forest444]

148. Hypocrite!

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/07/08/why-the-recently-filed-child-rape-case-against-donald-trump-shouldnt-be-ignored/

[still_one]

153. I am voting for Hillary, not Bill

[emulatorloo]

155. Tired of the constant passive-aggressive whining that 'DU wants to censor news'

Your thread is still here. Give it rest.

[mahina]

161. Classic inoculation.

He feels the storm approaching. May he rot.

[ozone_man]

163. There is this sleaze factor

associated with the Clintons. I was really hoping for something different.