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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:50 PM May 2016

Swallowing human faeces will cure disease, NHS say

Source: Telegraph UK

Swallowing human faeces will cure disease, the NHS has announces as it opens it first ever frozen faecal bank.

Frozen samples are being shipped around the country from a laboratory outside Portsmouth to relieve thousands sufferers of a previously incurable gut problem.

Every year in England more than 13,000 people suffer from Clostridium difficile, and one in five do not respond to conventional treatment.

The condition, which appears to be a side effect of antibiotics, causes people to lose control of their bowels.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/19/swallowing-human-faeces-will-cure-disease-nhs-say/

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Swallowing human faeces will cure disease, NHS say (Original Post) Jesus Malverde May 2016 OP
Republicans must be the healthiest people on the planet. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #1
It can have devastating effects on your hair.n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #2
But don't fall for the republicans' shit they spread, it's vile and diseased for sure! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #3
They suffer from cranial-rectal inversion n/t alarimer May 2016 #4
This would explain their opposition to universal health care. raging moderate May 2016 #5
And, their kind is... scscholar May 2016 #56
I thought that feces transplants were injected 'backwards' into the intestines Trajan May 2016 #6
Both Jesus Malverde May 2016 #10
That's for Colitis and maybe Crohn's. alfredo May 2016 #37
I've actually used this method with healthy mare manure to mix with feed to boost up fragile colts. polly7 May 2016 #7
Foals eat their dams' manure to get the proper bacteria in their guts csziggy May 2016 #35
So do baby elephants Right outa mummies bum lol Monk06 May 2016 #41
Rabbits eat their own doo doo. nt Laffy Kat May 2016 #55
Yes. polly7 May 2016 #48
You are wonderful for taking on the rescue babies! csziggy May 2016 #49
You are doing good and have found a way for nature to help Person 2713 May 2016 #58
So when I tell a Repub to... Xolodno May 2016 #8
Eat shit and prosper milestogo May 2016 #12
maybe "eat shit and live"? AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #16
groceries enid602 May 2016 #18
Oh Yum.... Munificence May 2016 #57
Du'zy! Taitertots May 2016 #23
I think I'll choose to be sick, thanks anyway. jalan48 May 2016 #9
Unlikely... Jesus Malverde May 2016 #11
My friend's mother passed away due to complications of this disease. myrna minx May 2016 #13
Choose to be sick but you could be choosing to die! This is one ugly disease a result Person 2713 May 2016 #59
Unless something has changed, that isn't what is done. The treatment used is still_one May 2016 #14
Something has changed! What a time to be alive! My Good Babushka May 2016 #15
I guess it is formulated so the stomach acids don't inactivate it, and it will restore the patients still_one May 2016 #38
Just make profit the most important thing in your food supply. Seems to work for us. n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #17
You first. CanonRay May 2016 #19
Gives new meaning to the phrase-- Kingofalldems May 2016 #20
Talk aoout a provocative headline trudyco May 2016 #21
They have to stop feeding antibiotics to animals Baobab May 2016 #44
There is an agenda here T_i_B May 2016 #45
Suddenly, I'm less depressed about the prospect of Trump as President. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #22
Thanks, I needed a good laugh today. n/t eggplant May 2016 #24
Ha! Indeed. JudyM May 2016 #39
Gives a whole new meaning xloadiex May 2016 #25
How about goose feces? I live on a lake and usually have a bumper crop Doctor_J May 2016 #26
For the best result, snort May 2016 #28
Here it is Doctor_J May 2016 #29
Lots of dogs like to eat shit intrepidity May 2016 #31
To those laughing stage left May 2016 #27
I got it from antibiotics following a root canal TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #46
I could diagnose it before the elevator doors opened. Warpy May 2016 #53
Good to know Rafale May 2016 #30
It's no joke. Baby elephants are fed manure from the mother to assist the baby's disgestive tract by vkkv May 2016 #32
It's true. My dog never gets diseases. Akicita May 2016 #33
Oh so that's what that whole '2 Girls Guy Whitey Corngood May 2016 #34
British hospital food given new bs excuse The Second Stone May 2016 #36
Ummmmmm...... Bayard May 2016 #40
Only certain strains of E coli are dangerous TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #47
Ok yuck. It's much more complicated than this truthisfreedom May 2016 #42
do I have this straight, food is bad for you, shit is good. Finally a chance to solve worrd hunger. olddad56 May 2016 #43
How about ..... tabasco May 2016 #50
Do not try this at home Warpy May 2016 #51
EAT SHIT AND LIVE! yodermon May 2016 #52
dang someone beat me to it upthread. yodermon May 2016 #54
Uh, I think I'll pass on this zyt46896 May 2016 #60
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
56. And, their kind is...
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

simply fascinated by this. I'm only confused by reading about it here. Thought we were above poop jokes.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
6. I thought that feces transplants were injected 'backwards' into the intestines
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

Swallow? ... Um ... What?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
10. Both
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:00 PM
May 2016

Fecal microbiota transplant (FMT). Also known as a stool transplant, FMT is emerging as an alternative strategy for treating recurrent C. difficile infections. Though not yet approved by the FDA, clinical studies of FMT are currently underway.

FMT restores healthy intestinal bacteria by placing another person's (donor's) stool in your colon, using a colonoscope or nasogastric tube. Donor stools are carefully and repeatedly screened for parasites, viruses, bacteria and certain antibodies before being used for an FMT.

Research has shown FMT has a success rate higher than 90 percent for treating C. difficile infections. One small, randomized, controlled trial stopped early because the results were so positive, with a 94 percent success rate overall.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/basics/treatment/con-20029664

polly7

(20,582 posts)
7. I've actually used this method with healthy mare manure to mix with feed to boost up fragile colts.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

I thought the vet was crazy at first, but it made sense and they responded quickly.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
35. Foals eat their dams' manure to get the proper bacteria in their guts
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

If a foal is fragile, it may not have consumed enough to get a healthy colony going so it makes sense to give them some extra.

After the colostrum - the first milk the mare produces that passes along some immunities - the manure is the next most important thing for foals to get so their systems will work right!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
48. Yes.
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

I raised quite a few foals, most as rescue babies, and even fall foals who'd been weaned too early and meant to be headed for the meat trucks, I mixed healthy manure into their feed for the first few weeks.

My own mares had healthy, sturdy babies. It was very hard to see the condition of some of the ones I brought home from the auction mart.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
49. You are wonderful for taking on the rescue babies!
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:35 PM
May 2016

I never had the space for that.Since I probably wouldn't have been able to let them go, I would have had to stop quickly anyway since I would have had more horses than I could house or feed!

Over the nearly thirty years I bred horses, we only ever had four problem babies - two "dummy" foals that never had the suckling reflex or ability to stand and two foals with contracted tendons that we pulled through. One of those foals is still here at seventeen and will never live anywhere else, same as her best buddies - I have four mares and the last foal we bred who is now four.

For all the survivors we never had to do any special treatments, even the ones with contracted tendons. They were all vigorous with strong immune systems. Our vet checked every newborn for immune response and we never had any problems.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
11. Unlikely...
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

Severe infection

In severe cases, people tend to become dehydrated and may need hospitalization. C. difficile causes the colon to become inflamed (colitis) and sometimes may form patches of raw tissue that can bleed or produce pus (pseudomembranous colitis). Signs and symptoms of severe infection include:

Watery diarrhea 10 to 15 times a day
Abdominal cramping and pain, which may be severe
Fever
Blood or pus in the stool
Nausea
Dehydration
Loss of appetite
Weight loss
Swollen abdomen
Kidney failure
Increased white blood cell count

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/basics/symptoms/con-20029664

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
13. My friend's mother passed away due to complications of this disease.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Had this treatment been available to her at the time, they would gladly provide it to her. But he time. They thought to do a fecal transplant, it was too late. It's a very cruel condition. It really is awful.

The fecal transplants save lives.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
59. Choose to be sick but you could be choosing to die! This is one ugly disease a result
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:37 PM
May 2016

often of strong Antibiotics killing not only the bad but all the good leaving you with a life threatening illness if it doesn't respond to treatment

still_one

(92,055 posts)
14. Unless something has changed, that isn't what is done. The treatment used is
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Fecal transplant, which involves taking stool from a healthy person and transferring it to the infected person.

The headline misrepresents how they deal with C Diff

still_one

(92,055 posts)
38. I guess it is formulated so the stomach acids don't inactivate it, and it will restore the patients
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:37 PM
May 2016

flora

Thanks for the update


trudyco

(1,258 posts)
21. Talk aoout a provocative headline
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

Fecal Transplants are being studied for more than c. diff. but it has an amazing recovery rate for this bacterial infestation that can kill. Much, much better success rate than antibiotics.

Sounds like they have figured out how to freeze it and encapsulate it so it gets past the stomach acids and populates the colon, which is where poop and pre-poop belongs. You don't taste it.

They are looking at it for diabetes and weight loss, too, I think. Also IBS. We are still trying to figure out how the gut brain and bacteria work. I'm not sure if a foal eating healthy manure would be effective as then the stomach has a chance to neutralize the bacteria or whatever it is in the gut that makes this work.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
44. They have to stop feeding antibiotics to animals
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

that produce foods.

Cows milk likely contains antibiotics, also its in meat, in animals raised for meat...

Eating a little dirt from time to time is healthy too.

intrepidity

(7,267 posts)
31. Lots of dogs like to eat shit
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

maybe they are on to something?

My dog loves sheep shit for some reason. Maybe he knows something.

stage left

(2,959 posts)
27. To those laughing
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:58 PM
May 2016

If you had C dif you would try anything to get better so you could live a normal life. It is not a laughing matter.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,116 posts)
46. I got it from antibiotics following a root canal
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

It was awful. I got medication to stop it but it took a long time. It affected my productivity at work and I lost my job.

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
53. I could diagnose it before the elevator doors opened.
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

If there was a case on the floor, everybody knew it.

It's gas gangrene of the large intestine. It is truly horroble. Fecal transplant is the hope of the future because antibiotics don't always take care of it. Only restoring a healthy bacteria population in the gut is a sure fire cure.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
32. It's no joke. Baby elephants are fed manure from the mother to assist the baby's disgestive tract by
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

adding certain bacteria to the baby's system..

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
51. Do not try this at home
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

The safest way is via rectal tube from a healthy donor.

Eventually they'll start refining the appropriate bacteria and putting them into capsule form and that can be taken orally.

However, coprophagia never cured anyone of anything and is dangerous as well as disgusting.

 

zyt46896

(2 posts)
60. Uh, I think I'll pass on this
Sat May 21, 2016, 02:02 AM
May 2016

I am strongly opposed to ingesting bodily wastes, regardless of its supposed benefits. Yuck.

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