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Sun May 22, 2016, 02:10 PM

 

Washington Post/ABC Poll: Donald Trump Leads Hillary Clinton; 11-Point Swing Since March

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Source: Breitbart

A new poll shows that Donald Trump has vastly improved his support among voters since becoming the presumptive Republican nominee.

The Washington Post/ABC poll released Saturday night shows that Trump is now favored by 46 percent among registered voters, with Clinton at 44 percent.

That marks an eleven-point shift towards Trump since the same poll conducted in March. Clinton is down five points among registered voters while Trump is up six.

Forty-four percent of voters said they wanted a third-party candidate to run, but 51 percent said they were satisfied with the current field.

Read more: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/22/donald-trump-leads-hillary-clinton-11-point-swing-since-march/



A few days ago, many dismissed the Fox News and Rasmussen polls putting Trump ahead, saying they were biased because they are right-wing. Now this.

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Reply Washington Post/ABC Poll: Donald Trump Leads Hillary Clinton; 11-Point Swing Since March (Original post)
Reter May 2016 OP
hrmjustin May 2016 #1
Reter May 2016 #10
hrmjustin May 2016 #12
Reter May 2016 #18
hrmjustin May 2016 #21
forest444 May 2016 #29
SunSeeker May 2016 #42
libdem4life May 2016 #32
SunSeeker May 2016 #44
donnasgirl May 2016 #35
hrmjustin May 2016 #37
cstanleytech May 2016 #39
itsrobert May 2016 #2
Reter May 2016 #11
retrowire May 2016 #26
CountAllVotes May 2016 #3
LyndaG May 2016 #4
PFunk1 May 2016 #7
A Simple Game May 2016 #5
cstanleytech May 2016 #45
msongs May 2016 #6
Duval May 2016 #49
Gene Debs May 2016 #8
Chakab May 2016 #9
Reter May 2016 #15
BlueStreak May 2016 #13
RBInMaine May 2016 #19
LineLineReply .
CountAllVotes May 2016 #28
book_worm May 2016 #14
LyndaG May 2016 #17
SunSeeker May 2016 #23
askeptic May 2016 #34
SunSeeker May 2016 #36
askeptic May 2016 #47
Duval May 2016 #50
jamese777 May 2016 #16
Reter May 2016 #22
LyndaG May 2016 #25
jamese777 May 2016 #20
Herman4747 May 2016 #33
beastie boy May 2016 #24
iloveObama12 May 2016 #27
Reter May 2016 #43
HockeyMom May 2016 #30
StayFrosty May 2016 #31
SunSeeker May 2016 #38
Reter May 2016 #41
Contrary1 May 2016 #46
bucolic_frolic May 2016 #40
oberliner May 2016 #48
etherealtruth May 2016 #51

Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:12 PM

1. Breitbart rots your brains.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM

10. Yes they do

 

But they are reporting on Washington Post/ABC. I can link it to their site, but the polls will stay the same.

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Response to Reter (Reply #10)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:19 PM

12. But it is more interesting you chose Breitbart.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #12)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

18. Two reasons

 

1) I never heard of Breitbart and didn't even realize it wasn't from ABC or Washington Post until I was asked the source.

2) I could not find the same poll with the words "Trump leads" in the title from the other sources. The ABC site had the title as "A Post-Primary Rally Boosts Trump, Albeit With Challenges Aplenty (POLL)." Awful title and no one would click it, and DU rules are it must be word-for-word.

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Response to Reter (Reply #18)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

21. Of course.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #21)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:51 PM

29. What matters, Justin, is that it's a Washington Post/ABC poll.

Not a Faux News or Breitbart poll (if the latter take any polls at all).

This one, moreover, is one of a long series of polls that show the same trend: that Ms. Inevitable becomes less and less electable as Election Day draws closer.

But fate can be kind, and it's very possible that a strong Gary Johnson candidacy might just give her the edge she needs to win in November.

For the country's sake it had better, since so many Democrats couldn't be counted on to make the intelligent choice themselves.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #29)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:50 PM

42. What matters is the OP chose a right wing source for its headline, not its facts.

As many have pointed out to the OP, there are lots of other sources for the facts of the piece. The OP admits they chose this source because of the headline, which is a sensationalistic, Hillary-bashing headline. This OP is also in violation of the LBN rules that require mainstream news sources, and the TOS of this site that preclude using right wing sources as references.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #21)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:11 PM

32. Kill the Messenger. Yet, again. But the Message still stands.

 

And the fact that we All Know that the MSM is self-censored. So, we get to demonize any other form of intelligence...emphasis on intelligence...gathering by those not controlled by the MSM. If they are Right...well, you know. If they are Left, they are, well, you know.

We also are pretty sure they trumped up Trump...out of pretty thin air. They have little of my respect, to be sure...mostly lost after the trumped up war rhetoric. Many of these "insidious" sites were telling us that, but, well, you know.

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Response to Reter (Reply #18)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:51 PM

44. "I never heard of Breitbart."

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #12)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:38 PM

35. what i also find interesting

Is the independent number, Trump 48%, Clinton 35% and no candidate from either side can win with out them.

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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #35)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:39 PM

37. Shd will clearly have to improve those numbers.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM

39. Only if you have a brain. nt

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:13 PM

2. Ain't that cute



Bernie lost. It's over. Sorry for your loss.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM

11. Thank you

 

Good luck in November.

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Response to itsrobert (Reply #2)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:40 PM

26. We've lost nothing. nt

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:14 PM

3. Sanders 2016

A winning candidate!

Write him in if you have to or are you going to enjoy 4+ years of tRump because that is what you'll be looking at!



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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:14 PM

4. NBC and CBS had HRC up by a few

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Response to LyndaG (Reply #4)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:15 PM

7. Both those networks are Clinton Supporters also.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:14 PM

5. And still we will soon see posts blaming this on Bernie not getting out of the race.

Well what I say is "thank god Bernie is not getting out of the race." We still have a chance to nominate someone that people can vote for.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #5)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:52 PM

45. The problem wont be if Bernie gets out of the race but rather the voters who refuse to vote

if whichever of their preferred choice doesnt win the nomination, those idiots need a swift kick in their ass assuming their heads arent in the way.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:15 PM

6. Bernie says Hillary is "evil". Bernie partners with racist FOx News to get some free PR. oh polls!

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:01 PM

49. Bernie didn't say Hillary is evil.

 

He used a common expression when he said he didn't want the voters to have to chose between the "lesser of two evils". It is a figure of speech, for pete's sake.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:16 PM

8. This is really only an indicator of which one is hated least.

 

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:17 PM

9. Why would you post the least credible source to analyze a poll conducted by two other news

 

organizations?

You have to know that anybody on the Clinton side is going to dismiss it outright.

Why not just post the articles from either outlet who actually conducted the poll?

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Response to Chakab (Reply #9)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:22 PM

15. The better sources (ABC and Washington Post) didn't have "Trump leading" in the title

 

It's the same poll though. Whether it's Fox, Breitbart, NY Times, or whoever, it's not an opinion piece, it's just reporting on the actual poll.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:21 PM

13. Trump is really zeroing in on the economic fairness issues

 

This is insane. Here is a guy who has had every possible advantage from the rigged system. Yet the Clinton have so much baggage (and so little real connection with the average American) that there is a gigantic opening for Trump to exploit this.

Sanders has won most of the primaries and caucuses for the last couple of months, yet he has barely gained any in the delegate race. THIS is exactly the kind of rigged system that people are unhappy with. Americans sense that it just isn't right, and unfortunately, the kind of stupid campaign Hillary has decided to run has put her on the wrong side of the most important issue in 2016.

This really sucks.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #13)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

19. There is NO "rigged" system. He has LOST many more votes and has many fewer pledged delegates.

 

Most polls right now don't mean diddly shit. She is fighting TWO fights now. She is attacking Trump good and hard. The real campaign hasn't even started yet.

In the primary, she has WON WAY MORE VOTES, MORE STATES, the BIG states, and with the FAIR proportional system she is WAY ahead and rightly so. So enough of the nonsensical conspiracies about a "rigged" system.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #13)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:44 PM

28. .

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:21 PM

14. You fail to mention a key reason why she is behind in the ABC poll:

The continued Democratic primary race appears to be sapping some of Clinton’s strength. She’s
losing 20 percent of Bernie Sanders’ supporters to Trump
, while winning only 11 percent of
leaned Republicans who backed someone other than Trump for their party’s nomination.
Remarkably, Clinton is only running evenly with Trump among 18- to 29-year-olds – a key
Sanders support group that’s looking ever-more resistant to her nomination. In March, Clinton
led Trump among under-30s by 39 percentage points, 64-25 percent. Today they split 45-42
percent. It’s a group Barack Obama won by 23 points in 2012, and one that Clinton needs back

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1177a1ClintonTrump.pdf

Meanwhile, the same ABC News Poll gives HRC a big lead in the Democratic primary--56-42

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

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Response to book_worm (Reply #14)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:28 PM

17. Makes sense

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Response to book_worm (Reply #14)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:32 PM

23. Exactly. In other words, you can thank Bernie's continued Hillary bashing for these numbers.

That and Trump's bump from securing the nomination and having the GOP finally stop the "anyone but Trump" efforts. Now, the only one going after Trump is Hillary. Bernie's certainly not going after Trump; he's too busy bad - mouthing Hillary and the Democratic Party.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #23)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:27 PM

34. I know your memory is short, so here is Hillary in 2008

There is plenty more out there if you are interested being honest with yourself and others.

From the NYT:
But the attack that received the most pop, on cable television and blogs, came after a photograph of Mr. Obama in ceremonial African garb appeared on the Drudge Report, and the item’s author, Matt Drudge, claimed that the image was provided by a Clinton staff member.

Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, said that the Clinton campaign had “engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party.” It has not been independently verified that the photograph came from the Clinton campaign.

Politico - Aug '13:
But some of Clinton’s most memorable ‘08 shots at Obama have had resonance far beyond the short shelf life of the standard campaign hit parade: her mockery of his vow to transform Washington in his own image, her cry of “elitism” and her skepticism about his managerial chops echo today in the form of GOP attacks and the lingering doubts of some in his own party.
... But several more intrepid ex-aides pointed to one quote in particular: a Clinton broadside delivered in Toledo, Ohio, on Feb. 24, 2008, that represented her most stinging attack on Obama’s core hope-and-change message.

“I could stand up here and say: let’s just get everybody together, let’s get unified,” Clinton said, voice dripping with contempt long since discarded.

“The sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and everyone will know that we should do the right thing, and the world would be perfect,” Clinton added. “Maybe I’ve just lived a little long, but I have no illusions about how hard this will be. You are not going to wave a magic wand…”


Huffington Post:

New York City, NY — In the aftermath of the Pennsylvania Democratic primary [won narrowly by Hillary Clinton] — a race in which Clinton had a 20-point lead only a few months ago — the racism and hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign were laid bare for all a nation to scorn.

Desperate and willing to do anything to win, the Clintons resorted to a naked form of racism aimed directly at white working-class voters in the rural portions of the state. Their message: Barack Obama cannot win because he’s black.

In the early stages of the campaign, it was Clinton’s cadre who kept playing the race card. In New Hampshire, Clinton’s co-chair, Billy Shaheen, accused Obama of being a drug dealer; then there was the photograph of Sen. Barack Obama in Somali garb leaked to the press by Clinton’s staff.

In the aftermath of the South Carolina primary, former President Bill Clinton compared Obama’s victory to those of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988. His message was clear: Obama was a marginal, black candidate.

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Response to askeptic (Reply #34)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:39 PM

36. What did I say that was not "honest"?

You seem to be having an argument with a point I did not make.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #36)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:59 PM

47. Your dishonesty is in blaming Bernie for Hillary's polling

Hillary's baggage is real and was not created by Bernie. Hillary had no compunctions about attacking Barack in 08 - why do you think different rules should apply to Bernie in '16? Here's more bashing by Hillary in 08 and then bashing Bernie for the position she backed in '08:

Then-Senator Hillary Clinton campaigns in Cincinnati, Ohio during the heated Democratic presidential primary. Clinton has ramped up her attacks on Bernie Sanders' plan for universal healthcare even though she herself supported in the 2008 primary and "shamed" Obama for envisioning anything less.

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Response to askeptic (Reply #34)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:03 PM

50. Thanks. I had forgotten some of this.

 

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:26 PM

16. CBS/NY Times Poll

CBS News/New York Times Poll. May 13-17, 2016. N=1,109 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

"If the 2016 presidential election were being held today and the candidates were [see below], the Democrat, and [see below], the Republican, would you vote for [see below] or [see below]?"
Hillary Clinton (D): 47%
Donald Trump (R): 41%
Other: 2%
Won't vote: 5%
Unsure/No answer: 5%

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #16)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:31 PM

22. May 13-17

 

This one is fresh.

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Response to Reter (Reply #22)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:39 PM

25. I think the NBC poll was released today

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM

20. When Voters Have Gone To The Polls

Primaries' total popular vote as of May 20th
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%)
Donald Trump: 11,266,041

Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824
Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672
Trump over Sanders: 1,057,152

Hillary Clinton: 1,775 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,499 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 42 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,297 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,541 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 26 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 89 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 842 delegates

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Response to jamese777 (Reply #20)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:20 PM

33. Independents can't or won't vote in Democratic primaries...

 

...unfortunately for Hillary and her supporters, they will vote in November though.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:38 PM

24. Same poll shows same voters expect Hillary to win, 50 to 40.

And when the same people were asked who is qualified to be President, Hillary beats Trump by 24 points. Not even close, Breitbart! But let's not report on that...

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-on-2016-election-may-16-19-2016/2038/

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:43 PM

27. Trump Supporters on here are becoming...

more and more bold, Breitbart? come on now

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Response to iloveObama12 (Reply #27)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:51 PM

43. It's not their poll

 

It's ABC/Washington Post.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 02:56 PM

30. So all the women who despised Trump

 

now suddenly support him? What do they have amnesia? While many of us dislike Hillary, we despise Trump. As they say, the lesser of two evils.

My daughters and I are Sanders supporters. They are not happy with Hillary. However, if I have to keep repeating to them my personal experience with The Donald, I can bet you they will vote for Hillary over that Sexist, Racist, poor excuse for a man, Donald Trump.

We Sanders supporters in this family WILL be voting for Hillary.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:01 PM

31. Fuck breitbart

And fuck all of the Trump humpers on here

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #31)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:41 PM

38. +1

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #31)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM

41. It's not their poll

 

It's ABC/Washington Post. Do you have anything to say about them?

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #31)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:57 PM

46. Here ya go:

A Post-Primary Rally Boosts Trump, Albeit With Challenges Aplenty (POLL)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/post-primary-rally-boosts-trump-albeit-challenges-aplenty/story?id=39265102

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM

40. It's all subliminal

Make America Great Again really means

Make America Hate (Hillary) Again

Classic Big Brother PR Techniques

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:00 PM

48. People are linking to Breitbart now

 

This is seriously insane.

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Response to Reter (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:09 PM

51. LOCKING, please refer to the SoP for LBN

Statement of Purpose

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

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