Sun May 22, 2016, 02:10 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
Washington Post/ABC Poll: Donald Trump Leads Hillary Clinton; 11-Point Swing Since MarchThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by etherealtruth (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum). A new poll shows that Donald Trump has vastly improved his support among voters since becoming the presumptive Republican nominee. The Washington Post/ABC poll released Saturday night shows that Trump is now favored by 46 percent among registered voters, with Clinton at 44 percent. That marks an eleven-point shift towards Trump since the same poll conducted in March. Clinton is down five points among registered voters while Trump is up six. Forty-four percent of voters said they wanted a third-party candidate to run, but 51 percent said they were satisfied with the current field. Read more: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/22/donald-trump-leads-hillary-clinton-11-point-swing-since-march/ A few days ago, many dismissed the Fox News and Rasmussen polls putting Trump ahead, saying they were biased because they are right-wing. Now this. ![]()
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Reter | May 2016 | OP |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #1 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #10 | |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #12 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #18 | |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #21 | |
forest444 | May 2016 | #29 | |
SunSeeker | May 2016 | #42 | |
libdem4life | May 2016 | #32 | |
SunSeeker | May 2016 | #44 | |
donnasgirl | May 2016 | #35 | |
hrmjustin | May 2016 | #37 | |
cstanleytech | May 2016 | #39 | |
itsrobert | May 2016 | #2 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #11 | |
retrowire | May 2016 | #26 | |
CountAllVotes | May 2016 | #3 | |
LyndaG | May 2016 | #4 | |
PFunk1 | May 2016 | #7 | |
A Simple Game | May 2016 | #5 | |
cstanleytech | May 2016 | #45 | |
msongs | May 2016 | #6 | |
Duval | May 2016 | #49 | |
Gene Debs | May 2016 | #8 | |
Chakab | May 2016 | #9 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #15 | |
BlueStreak | May 2016 | #13 | |
RBInMaine | May 2016 | #19 | |
CountAllVotes | May 2016 | #28 | |
book_worm | May 2016 | #14 | |
LyndaG | May 2016 | #17 | |
SunSeeker | May 2016 | #23 | |
askeptic | May 2016 | #34 | |
SunSeeker | May 2016 | #36 | |
askeptic | May 2016 | #47 | |
Duval | May 2016 | #50 | |
jamese777 | May 2016 | #16 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #22 | |
LyndaG | May 2016 | #25 | |
jamese777 | May 2016 | #20 | |
Herman4747 | May 2016 | #33 | |
beastie boy | May 2016 | #24 | |
iloveObama12 | May 2016 | #27 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #43 | |
HockeyMom | May 2016 | #30 | |
StayFrosty | May 2016 | #31 | |
SunSeeker | May 2016 | #38 | |
Reter | May 2016 | #41 | |
Contrary1 | May 2016 | #46 | |
bucolic_frolic | May 2016 | #40 | |
oberliner | May 2016 | #48 | |
etherealtruth | May 2016 | #51 |
Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
1. Breitbart rots your brains.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
10. Yes they do
But they are reporting on Washington Post/ABC. I can link it to their site, but the polls will stay the same.
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Response to Reter (Reply #10)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:19 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
12. But it is more interesting you chose Breitbart.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #12)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
18. Two reasons
1) I never heard of Breitbart and didn't even realize it wasn't from ABC or Washington Post until I was asked the source.
2) I could not find the same poll with the words "Trump leads" in the title from the other sources. The ABC site had the title as "A Post-Primary Rally Boosts Trump, Albeit With Challenges Aplenty (POLL)." Awful title and no one would click it, and DU rules are it must be word-for-word. |
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Response to Reter (Reply #18)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
21. Of course.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #21)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
forest444 (5,902 posts)
29. What matters, Justin, is that it's a Washington Post/ABC poll.
Not a Faux News or Breitbart poll (if the latter take any polls at all).
This one, moreover, is one of a long series of polls that show the same trend: that Ms. Inevitable becomes less and less electable as Election Day draws closer. But fate can be kind, and it's very possible that a strong Gary Johnson candidacy might just give her the edge she needs to win in November. For the country's sake it had better, since so many Democrats couldn't be counted on to make the intelligent choice themselves. |
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Response to forest444 (Reply #29)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:50 PM
SunSeeker (47,051 posts)
42. What matters is the OP chose a right wing source for its headline, not its facts.
As many have pointed out to the OP, there are lots of other sources for the facts of the piece. The OP admits they chose this source because of the headline, which is a sensationalistic, Hillary-bashing headline. This OP is also in violation of the LBN rules that require mainstream news sources, and the TOS of this site that preclude using right wing sources as references.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #21)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:11 PM
libdem4life (13,877 posts)
32. Kill the Messenger. Yet, again. But the Message still stands.
And the fact that we All Know that the MSM is self-censored. So, we get to demonize any other form of intelligence...emphasis on intelligence...gathering by those not controlled by the MSM. If they are Right...well, you know. If they are Left, they are, well, you know.
We also are pretty sure they trumped up Trump...out of pretty thin air. They have little of my respect, to be sure...mostly lost after the trumped up war rhetoric. Many of these "insidious" sites were telling us that, but, well, you know. |
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Response to Reter (Reply #18)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:51 PM
SunSeeker (47,051 posts)
44. "I never heard of Breitbart."
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #12)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:38 PM
donnasgirl (656 posts)
35. what i also find interesting
Is the independent number, Trump 48%, Clinton 35% and no candidate from either side can win with out them.
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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #35)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
hrmjustin (71,265 posts)
37. Shd will clearly have to improve those numbers.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM
cstanleytech (23,919 posts)
39. Only if you have a brain. nt
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:13 PM
itsrobert (14,157 posts)
2. Ain't that cute
![]() ![]() ![]() Bernie lost. It's over. Sorry for your loss. |
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Response to itsrobert (Reply #2)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:18 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
11. Thank you
Good luck in November.
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Response to itsrobert (Reply #2)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:40 PM
retrowire (10,345 posts)
26. We've lost nothing. nt
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
CountAllVotes (19,811 posts)
3. Sanders 2016
A winning candidate!
Write him in if you have to or are you going to enjoy 4+ years of tRump because that is what you'll be looking at! ![]() |
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
LyndaG (677 posts)
4. NBC and CBS had HRC up by a few
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Response to LyndaG (Reply #4)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:15 PM
PFunk1 (185 posts)
7. Both those networks are Clinton Supporters also.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
A Simple Game (9,214 posts)
5. And still we will soon see posts blaming this on Bernie not getting out of the race.
Well what I say is "thank god Bernie is not getting out of the race." We still have a chance to nominate someone that people can vote for.
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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #5)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
cstanleytech (23,919 posts)
45. The problem wont be if Bernie gets out of the race but rather the voters who refuse to vote
if whichever of their preferred choice doesnt win the nomination, those idiots need a swift kick in their ass assuming their heads arent in the way.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:15 PM
msongs (63,845 posts)
6. Bernie says Hillary is "evil". Bernie partners with racist FOx News to get some free PR. oh polls!
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Response to msongs (Reply #6)
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
Duval (4,280 posts)
49. Bernie didn't say Hillary is evil.
He used a common expression when he said he didn't want the voters to have to chose between the "lesser of two evils". It is a figure of speech, for pete's sake.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
Gene Debs (582 posts)
8. This is really only an indicator of which one is hated least.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:17 PM
Chakab (1,727 posts)
9. Why would you post the least credible source to analyze a poll conducted by two other news
organizations?
You have to know that anybody on the Clinton side is going to dismiss it outright. Why not just post the articles from either outlet who actually conducted the poll? |
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Response to Chakab (Reply #9)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:22 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
15. The better sources (ABC and Washington Post) didn't have "Trump leading" in the title
It's the same poll though. Whether it's Fox, Breitbart, NY Times, or whoever, it's not an opinion piece, it's just reporting on the actual poll.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:21 PM
BlueStreak (8,377 posts)
13. Trump is really zeroing in on the economic fairness issues
This is insane. Here is a guy who has had every possible advantage from the rigged system. Yet the Clinton have so much baggage (and so little real connection with the average American) that there is a gigantic opening for Trump to exploit this.
Sanders has won most of the primaries and caucuses for the last couple of months, yet he has barely gained any in the delegate race. THIS is exactly the kind of rigged system that people are unhappy with. Americans sense that it just isn't right, and unfortunately, the kind of stupid campaign Hillary has decided to run has put her on the wrong side of the most important issue in 2016. This really sucks. |
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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #13)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM
RBInMaine (13,570 posts)
19. There is NO "rigged" system. He has LOST many more votes and has many fewer pledged delegates.
Most polls right now don't mean diddly shit. She is fighting TWO fights now. She is attacking Trump good and hard. The real campaign hasn't even started yet.
In the primary, she has WON WAY MORE VOTES, MORE STATES, the BIG states, and with the FAIR proportional system she is WAY ahead and rightly so. So enough of the nonsensical conspiracies about a "rigged" system. |
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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #13)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:44 PM
CountAllVotes (19,811 posts)
28. .
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:21 PM
book_worm (15,951 posts)
14. You fail to mention a key reason why she is behind in the ABC poll:
The continued Democratic primary race appears to be sapping some of Clinton’s strength. She’s
losing 20 percent of Bernie Sanders’ supporters to Trump, while winning only 11 percent of leaned Republicans who backed someone other than Trump for their party’s nomination. Remarkably, Clinton is only running evenly with Trump among 18- to 29-year-olds – a key Sanders support group that’s looking ever-more resistant to her nomination. In March, Clinton led Trump among under-30s by 39 percentage points, 64-25 percent. Today they split 45-42 percent. It’s a group Barack Obama won by 23 points in 2012, and one that Clinton needs back http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1177a1ClintonTrump.pdf Meanwhile, the same ABC News Poll gives HRC a big lead in the Democratic primary--56-42 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/ |
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Response to book_worm (Reply #14)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:28 PM
LyndaG (677 posts)
17. Makes sense
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Response to book_worm (Reply #14)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:32 PM
SunSeeker (47,051 posts)
23. Exactly. In other words, you can thank Bernie's continued Hillary bashing for these numbers.
That and Trump's bump from securing the nomination and having the GOP finally stop the "anyone but Trump" efforts. Now, the only one going after Trump is Hillary. Bernie's certainly not going after Trump; he's too busy bad - mouthing Hillary and the Democratic Party.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #23)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:27 PM
askeptic (478 posts)
34. I know your memory is short, so here is Hillary in 2008
There is plenty more out there if you are interested being honest with yourself and others.
From the NYT: But the attack that received the most pop, on cable television and blogs, came after a photograph of Mr. Obama in ceremonial African garb appeared on the Drudge Report, and the item’s author, Matt Drudge, claimed that the image was provided by a Clinton staff member. Politico - Aug '13: But some of Clinton’s most memorable ‘08 shots at Obama have had resonance far beyond the short shelf life of the standard campaign hit parade: her mockery of his vow to transform Washington in his own image, her cry of “elitism” and her skepticism about his managerial chops echo today in the form of GOP attacks and the lingering doubts of some in his own party. Huffington Post: New York City, NY — In the aftermath of the Pennsylvania Democratic primary [won narrowly by Hillary Clinton] — a race in which Clinton had a 20-point lead only a few months ago — the racism and hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign were laid bare for all a nation to scorn. |
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Response to askeptic (Reply #34)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
SunSeeker (47,051 posts)
36. What did I say that was not "honest"?
You seem to be having an argument with a point I did not make.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #36)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:59 PM
askeptic (478 posts)
47. Your dishonesty is in blaming Bernie for Hillary's polling
Hillary's baggage is real and was not created by Bernie. Hillary had no compunctions about attacking Barack in 08 - why do you think different rules should apply to Bernie in '16? Here's more bashing by Hillary in 08 and then bashing Bernie for the position she backed in '08:
Then-Senator Hillary Clinton campaigns in Cincinnati, Ohio during the heated Democratic presidential primary. Clinton has ramped up her attacks on Bernie Sanders' plan for universal healthcare even though she herself supported in the 2008 primary and "shamed" Obama for envisioning anything less. |
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Response to askeptic (Reply #34)
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:03 PM
Duval (4,280 posts)
50. Thanks. I had forgotten some of this.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:26 PM
jamese777 (546 posts)
16. CBS/NY Times Poll
CBS News/New York Times Poll. May 13-17, 2016. N=1,109 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.
"If the 2016 presidential election were being held today and the candidates were [see below], the Democrat, and [see below], the Republican, would you vote for [see below] or [see below]?" Hillary Clinton (D): 47% Donald Trump (R): 41% Other: 2% Won't vote: 5% Unsure/No answer: 5% |
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Response to jamese777 (Reply #16)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:31 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
22. May 13-17
This one is fresh.
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Response to Reter (Reply #22)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:39 PM
LyndaG (677 posts)
25. I think the NBC poll was released today
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:30 PM
jamese777 (546 posts)
20. When Voters Have Gone To The Polls
Primaries' total popular vote as of May 20th
Hillary Clinton: 13,192,713 (55.5%) Bernie Sanders: 10,158,889 (42.7%) Donald Trump: 11,266,041 Clinton over Sanders: 3,033,824 Clinton over Trump: 1,926,672 Trump over Sanders: 1,057,152 Hillary Clinton: 1,775 pledged delegates Bernie Sanders: 1,499 pledged delegates Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates Bernie Sanders: 42 superdelegates Hillary Clinton: 2,297 total delegates Bernie Sanders: 1,541 total delegates Hillary Clinton: 26 contests won Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won Hillary Clinton needs 89 delegates Bernie Sanders needs 842 delegates |
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Response to jamese777 (Reply #20)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:20 PM
Herman4747 (1,825 posts)
33. Independents can't or won't vote in Democratic primaries...
...unfortunately for Hillary and her supporters, they will vote in November though.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:38 PM
beastie boy (4,569 posts)
24. Same poll shows same voters expect Hillary to win, 50 to 40.
And when the same people were asked who is qualified to be President, Hillary beats Trump by 24 points. Not even close, Breitbart! But let's not report on that...
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/washington-post-abc-news-poll-on-2016-election-may-16-19-2016/2038/ |
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:43 PM
iloveObama12 (414 posts)
27. Trump Supporters on here are becoming...
more and more bold, Breitbart? come on now
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Response to iloveObama12 (Reply #27)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:51 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
43. It's not their poll
It's ABC/Washington Post.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 02:56 PM
HockeyMom (14,337 posts)
30. So all the women who despised Trump
now suddenly support him? What do they have amnesia? While many of us dislike Hillary, we despise Trump. As they say, the lesser of two evils.
My daughters and I are Sanders supporters. They are not happy with Hillary. However, if I have to keep repeating to them my personal experience with The Donald, I can bet you they will vote for Hillary over that Sexist, Racist, poor excuse for a man, Donald Trump. We Sanders supporters in this family WILL be voting for Hillary. |
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:01 PM
StayFrosty (237 posts)
31. Fuck breitbart
And fuck all of the Trump humpers on here
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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #31)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:41 PM
SunSeeker (47,051 posts)
38. +1
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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #31)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM
Reter (2,188 posts)
41. It's not their poll
It's ABC/Washington Post. Do you have anything to say about them?
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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #31)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:57 PM
Contrary1 (12,629 posts)
46. Here ya go:
A Post-Primary Rally Boosts Trump, Albeit With Challenges Aplenty (POLL)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/post-primary-rally-boosts-trump-albeit-challenges-aplenty/story?id=39265102 |
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:49 PM
bucolic_frolic (32,827 posts)
40. It's all subliminal
Make America Great Again really means
Make America Hate (Hillary) Again Classic Big Brother PR Techniques |
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:00 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
48. People are linking to Breitbart now
This is seriously insane.
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Response to Reter (Original post)
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:09 PM
etherealtruth (22,165 posts)
51. LOCKING, please refer to the SoP for LBN
Statement of Purpose
Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread. |
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