Hillary wins Washington State Primary

[Renew Deal]

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Source: AP

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http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/current/President-Democratic-Party_ByCounty.html

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[Gomez163]

1. BUT HE HAS YUUUUGE CROWDS!!#!#!#!

[BootinUp]

2. And its RIGGED Too!!!

[Ellipsis]

3. ...and it meaningless cuz they've already assigned delegates.

[BootinUp]

6. Its means SOMETHING, just not changes to delegates.

I think anytime a state can run primaries instead of caucuses it is better. Perhaps WA is the next to change. Minnesota just changed for 2020.

[Ellipsis]

8. but it's rigged...

[BootinUp]

11. yeah...

[pnwmom]

10. It's not meaningless. It shows the results of a much more representative and inclusive

vote, with almost 3 times as many voters participating as in the caucuses.

It's outrageous that the state party decided years ago to go to court to overrule the voter-approved referendum to replace the caucuses with a state-run primary.

So we pay for the primary with our taxes, but only the Rethugs use it. For the Dems, it's just a beauty contest.

[Ellipsis]

17. It's meaningless.

Wisconsin has open primaries... and we don't register by party.

[MFM008]

66. consider your vote meaningless

we voted today. We marked it, mailed it and we will do the same in November.
I think voting has meaning.

[Ellipsis]

73. 4:30

https://m.

Talk to you Feb. 2nd.

[brush]

55. It means he's going to do poorly in Califonia's primary

No exclusionary, vote-suppressing caucus there.

[wallyworld2]

32. Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump each won

Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump each won primaries in Washington state Tuesday.

Clinton's win might give her some momentum, but it won't get her any delegates. There were no delegates at stake in the Democratic primary. Washington Democrats already awarded their delegates based on party caucuses.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won Washington's caucuses in March, getting 74 delegates. Clinton got 27.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-wins-gop-presidential-primary-washington-state-39355036

[billhicks76]

56. You're Embarrassing Yourself

The election happened a while ago. WA overwhelmingly supports Bernie just like Oregon. Most people assumed it's done and over. This doesn't count. Pathetic

[Gomez163]

57. You're going to need counseling after 6/7

[billhicks76]

68. It's About A Cause Not A Candidate

If it makes you happier seeing me unsatisfied with the state of our governing then shout it out and jump for joy. I haven't been content with our government since I was blind, deaf and dumb as a child who believed what I was told. When I grew up and woke up its ok because it's what keeps some of us fighting for change, for equality and against war.

[Gomez163]

80. Your opinion is based on myths about Hillary.

But you know that. You're just mouthing the Bernie talking points.

[AntiBank]

4. its a meaningless primary, no delegates allocated, Sanders CRUSHED her in the real one earlier

[Renew Deal]

5. Bernie killed it

when less people had the opportunity to participate.

[Ellipsis]

7. Damn him!

[AntiBank]

13. funny how NY and other Clinton machine dominated places worked overtime to block people from voting

[Renew Deal]

20. The problem was in Hillary's strongest county

It's a shame it happened. She could have won by more.

[Beaverhausen]

28. Do you understand how caucases work?

[AntiBank]

33. yes, they are neighbourhood meetings, with speeches in favour of candidates, and votes are taken

multiple times via counting people where they stand. Then final count is taken, and delegates are apportioned off that. If there is a tie, there is a coin flip, which apparently mean Hillary wins almost every time a coin is involved, lolol.

[Beaverhausen]

34. You forgot to mention how a huge number of voters...

...are disenfranchised by this archaic practice. They need to end. Now.

[LeFleur1]

37. YES!

It is often a hassle. No parking, no one knows exactly what to do, lots of standing around, things finally get organized. It's a weird way to choose anyone for anything. Voting is so much easier and a much better representation of the people's will. I hope Washington goes the way of Minnesota, and does away with caucuses. Allow the voters to choose their candidates.

[stopbush]

29. More Bernshit.

[DLCWIdem]

14. yes it blows smoke up the b.s. narrative

[Egnever]

58. Oddly enough

Way more people participated in the caucuses. 230k vs only 27k in the primary tonight.

Not saying the results of the caucus would not be different if held today just saying way more people actually participated.

Seems counter intuitive that caucuses would get the much bigger turnout but I suspect people in washington knew the primary really didn't mean anything as delegates were not assigned based on it.

[StevieM]

9. He crushed her in the caucus. If it had been a primary the result would have been quite different,

as tonight's results demonstrate.

[pnwmom]

16. It's only meaningless because it was "rigged" that way. The voters approved a referendum

to replace the caucuses with a state-run primary -- and the Dems went to court to fight it.

So even though 3 times as many voters participate in the primary as the elitist, non-representative caucuses, all our delegates are assigned in the caucuses.

The Rethugs decided to listen to the voters, so they do use the primary for assigning delegates. For once, they cared more about democratic values than the Democrats.

[Agnosticsherbet]

18. Actually it shows what happens when voters were not kept from voting.

And the same thing happened in Nebraska.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/279468-clinton-wins-nebraska-primary-but-gets-no-delegates

[Beacool]

21. Just more proof of how undemocratic caucuses are.

They shouldn't exist in this day and age. If Sanders is so worried about voter suppression, he should recommend that caucuses be eliminated.

[Beaverhausen]

31. +1000000

[maq-az]

35. 26,299 total votes

in the Caucus, over 650,000 votes in this Primary. The difference is huuuuuge!

[6chars]

53. But aren't we supposed to count one caucus vote as ten popular votes?

Another victory for Bernie if you do The Math.

[uppityperson]

60. 26,314 delegates, not voters in the caucuses. Over 230,000 people participated in the caucuses.

It is still fewer, but you are off by a huge amount.

[iamthebandfanman]

46. shoot

you aren't trying to say this OP was attempting to be misleading in any way do you lol

[MFM008]

65. Vote totals

over 1.3 million people voted today including my family.
What this WILL do is just solidify Super-delegates to vote for HRC.

[apcalc]

77. In a TOTALLY UNDEMOCRATIC caucus

She'd be crushing him in primaries.

[Douseeme]

81. There was no "real" primary there

There was a caucus.

[pmorlan1]

12. Yeah!

Faux Progressive Wins Faux Primary.

[leftofcool]

72. Hillary is a Democrat. Democrats choose their nominee.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. In a caucus where voters are kept from voting, Sanders win.

In a primary where all the voters can vote, Clinton wins.

And the same thing happened in Nebraska

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/279468-clinton-wins-nebraska-primary-but-gets-no-delegates

[Surya Gayatri]

19. Enormous K & R. Thanks for posting.

[TwilightZone]

22. Well, that kind of messes up all those CA projections based on the WA caucuses.

As if they weren't already flaky.

[Renew Deal]

23. One thing to think about...

Did Bernie tank/is he tanking because of his campaign's actions in NV?

[TwilightZone]

25. It might just be due to the fundamental difference between caucuses and primaries.

Similar to what happened in NE.

That being said, FiveThirtyEight's projections for CA show a huge shift there, so it's possible it's blowback from NV, especially since one of the targets was a pretty popular Dem from CA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2046185

[LannyDeVaney]

24. So much for the larger turnout argument ...

Clinton is the only remaining candidate whose supporters don't have a history of violence this election season. Crazy stuff.

[TwilightZone]

26. In fairness, there's Wendel Pierce.

We'd probably rather not claim him as a supporter at this point, but he was arrested and will face charges.

[LannyDeVaney]

27. OK, so Clinton has a score of 1

Let's check the scoreboard after Nevada and tonight.

[modestybl]

30. Lying is how you make your case now?

[Gene Debs]

36. You seem to have inflicted violence against the truth.

[AntiBank]

38. bullshit>>>Clinton is the only remaining candidate whose supporters don't have a history of violence

Point 1 No fucking chairs were thrown nor stages charged and mounted, so drop that load of crap where it festers.

Point 2 The most famous documented case of actual violence was by a Clinton supporter against Sanders people

Wendell Pierce Says He Regrets Altercation That Led to His Arrest

http://time.com/4338337/wendell-pierce-arrest-battery-response/

Maggie Elena Baca told police that she encountered Pierce and his girlfriend on the 23rd floor of the Lowes Atlanta Hotel. After she got into a political debate with the actor, Baca said Pierce followed her and her friends as they walked away, tried to force his way into their room and “began to hit her in the head and grab her hoodie, ripping her hoodie off,” according to the police report.

snip

Point 3 Much of the violence at Trump rallies has been baited on by agents provocateur paid for by Brock's thug/troll operation, oft times recruited thru Craigslist adverts. I am NOT excusing, I repeat NOT excusing the racist violent scum at Trumps rallies, they can fuck off and die for all I care, but they were on certain occasions baited by the "protestors" in multiple arenas. It is kabuki theatre.

[hopemountain]

69. Booing, Shouting, and Yelling is violence?

be honest.

[MFM008]

39. We all voted this time

They sent a ballot to everyone in Washington state that was eligible to vote you had to declare whether or not you're a Republican or Democrat believe me they check those signatures to. A lot of us couldn't make it to a caucus they were on Saturday at 10:30 in the morning for 3 hours who can take that out of your day to do. So what this means is they were more voters today, this is exactly how Washington State's going to vote in November were a blue State not a Sanders state.

[Lordquinton]

43. What exactily does that last line mean?

That Washington's vote for the Democratic candidate is contingent on who it is? That you would not vote for Sanders if he were the Dem candidate?

[MFM008]

63. It means

This state will vote blue regardless .
We voted for Dukakis we will not vote for Trump.

clearer?

[AntiBank]

44. "were (sic) a blue State not a Sanders state." LOLOLOL Sanders is blue as hell if blue means

being a proponent of actual core Democratic progressive ideals espoused consistently from FDR days until Bill Clinton started the neo liberal Democratic superstructure's rush to the right.

Hillary is as purple (or violet) as Veruca Salt in Willy Wonka.




Purple is a colour intermediate between red and blue...........
Violet is a spectral colour with wavelengths less than blue..............................

[MFM008]

64. Are you from Washington?

Ive lived here almost 45 years
I know its blue and where it isn't.
We will support the democratic candidate.
over 80 thousand republicans didnt vote for Trump tonight at last count.

[UMTerp01]

40. Go Hillary!!!!

Look at that....Hillary wins by a decisive margin in a primary for Sanders did better in the caucus.

[AntiBank]

41. Seeing as many are trumpeting on about regular primaries (vis-a-vis caucus states)

Here is something we ALL, as Democrats should be very worried about.


Clinton KY 2008 Primary votes 460K, Clinton KY 2016 Primary votes 210K when she won (roughly the same as what Obama got in his 2008 loss)

The total Democratic turnout was down huge in a potential swing state.

[Lordquinton]

42. Misleading title, Clinton already lost there, by a lot

Do they have closed primaries in that state?

[SeattleVet]

45. Totally meaningless.

Since ALL of the delegates were allocated via the caucus, a lot of people didn't bother to send in a ballot for this (my wife and I among them). We participated in the caucus. Our ballots for this meaningless 'election' is still sitting on my desk, unopened.

No need to waste stamps when this primary has zero meaning or impact on anything.

[Raster]

49. Could not agree more. I used to live in WA six months ago.

I talked to THREE different couples - ALL DEMS, all Sanders supports THAT DID NOT EVEN MAIL IN THEIR BALLOTS because the Democratic delegates had already been selected at Caucus.

[newthinking]

50. this....

[JohnnyRingo]

61. They make you pay for postage?

I just assumed it was prepaid because I heard it was the only way to cast a ballot in Washington.

That sounds a lot like a poll tax. I'm surprised they get away with that.

[suffragette]

85. Completely agree and did the same.

[silvershadow]

47. meaningless. nt

[Marty McGraw]

48. Because...

....Hillary!

Come....Excitement for All!

[underthematrix]

51. Happy HRC won the VOTER crowd

[olddad56]

52. at least for now.

[LuvLoogie]

54. Did I not kick this earlier?!

I'm such a slacker. KICK!

[uppityperson]

59. I know many people who didn't vote in this primary since it means nothing.

Delegates are delegated by the caucus results so why bother to even vote in this primary?

I voted because I always do, but many people did not because they figured it meant nothing.

[maxsolomon]

82. I didn't bother

and I always vote. This wasn't worth the price of a stamp. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the state on the Caucus day.

I suppose I'd have voted for Sanders if it had meant anything - although the butthurt is so strong around here I might have gone for Clinton out of spite. And my wife's enthusiasm for a Woman President. Hell, my enthusiasm for a Woman President. And my Ageist concerns over a 75 year old becoming president.

Who knows what the results would have been if it had counted?

[left-of-center2012]

62. She got NO delegates from this primary

"Clinton's win might give her some momentum, but it won't get her any delegates. There were no delegates at stake in the Democratic primary. Washington Democrats already awarded their delegates based on party caucuses.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won Washington's caucuses in March, getting 74 delegates. Clinton got 27."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0840b8763a7649028e0ea48d675d5c77/trump-wins-gop-presidential-primary-washington-state

[riversedge]

74. The superdelegates from WA state-(& Neb) can now point to the Popular vote win by Hillary. The

primary had higher turn-out than the low turn out caucus. It is the will of the people vote-the higher turn out primary. Hillary wins. No one is arguing that no delegates were at stake last night.

[left-of-center2012]

86. "The superdelegates ..."

The superdelegates were in Clinton's pocket before primaries even began.
Just like DWS.

[Festivito]

67. Last updated on 05/24/2016 9:19 PM (No statement that count WAS complete)

LBN title should be: President Democratic Party - County Results Last updated on 05/24/2016 9:19 PM

[lunamagica]

70. K&R. Agin, when turnout is high, Hillary wins!

[wisteria]

71. Well, when the people vote...

Hillary wins!

[JackInGreen]

75. So you were expecting us to vote in the primary for one when we've already busted our caucus off?

Nope, it's good though. Enjoy the hollow victory.

[Renew Deal]

79. More Sanders supporters voted for Bernie in the caucus than the primary

[Fresh_Start]

76. primary voters should bring lawsuit because they are disenfranchised

and in this case, they are clearly disenfranchised, its not that they might possibly be disenfranchised.

[LanternWaste]

78. If she won, then the election was either meaningless or rigged against Sanders.

If she won, then the election was either meaningless or rigged against Sanders (unless a new premise has been thrown against the wall in hopes of sticking).

Though had Sanders won, its righteous purity would a been a blazing beacon of truth for all the world to see.

[Politicub]

83. How can this be? Bernie is so YUUUUUUUGE! in the NW

Congrats to Hillary!!!

[uppityperson]

84. Because no delegates are awarded due to this vote. It was a meaningless vote as far as

delegates go because they were awarded by caucus results. Hence many did not bother to vote.

There has to be a primary vote, but Repubs are the only ones who use the results for anything.

[Goblinmonger]

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