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Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:43 PM May 2016

State Department report slams Clinton email use

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Source: CNN

A State Department Inspector General report said former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton failed to follow the rules or inform key department staff regarding her use of a private email server, according to a copy of the report obtained by CNN on Wednesday.

The report, which was provided to lawmakers, states, "At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the Department's policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."

The report examined record keeping laws, policies and practices at the State Department from 1997 to present.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/25/politics/state-department-report-faults-clinton-over-email-use/

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State Department report slams Clinton email use (Original Post) Bubzer May 2016 OP
Certainly not too late humbled_opinion May 2016 #1
Hillary is not a "crook" JohnnyRingo May 2016 #19
Everything about the Clintons & the Clinton Foundation is "for personal gain." nt appal_jack May 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #29
How about liar? Said she was cooperating with the investigation and she.did.not. JudyM May 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #47
How many times is this story going to b posted? this make number four Cryptoad May 2016 #2
It will be posted more, too. As will the follow up stories. morningfog May 2016 #4
This is just the beginning. jillan May 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #30
I sent duplicate alerts, but I guess the hosts are ???? OKNancy May 2016 #10
TRUTH! Commander Keen May 2016 #13
Troll alert Cryptoad May 2016 #16
How many times was the chair throwing story posted? frylock May 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #27
that fine if it is apply equally Cryptoad May 2016 #44
She did this to herself. Duval May 2016 #3
And this is our nominee? forest444 May 2016 #5
Yep... LovingA2andMI May 2016 #17
No, she did it to all of us :( Peachhead22 May 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #28
When you're busy working out the details nyabingi May 2016 #6
Hillary was running her own rogue State Department on the side Samantha May 2016 #15
And you know this how? leftofcool May 2016 #18
Read through some of her e-mails nyabingi May 2016 #37
I know this because of the evidence revealed about her interactions with Sidney Blumenthal Samantha May 2016 #38
I bet he was nyabingi May 2016 #21
This is a really good post; I actually thought the same thing as you when I heard President Obama Samantha May 2016 #41
It sounds like Obama was out of the loop on this as well. jalan48 May 2016 #7
Clinton's actions were not unlawful under either federal records preservation laws or criminal laws Justice May 2016 #11
Here is the conclusion of the report Cryptoad May 2016 #14
Clinton's actions were not unlawful under either federal records preservation laws or criminal laws AlbertCat May 2016 #33
Dupe. L. Coyote May 2016 #12
It's the dupe of a dupe of a dupe. Kingofalldems May 2016 #24
A better than regular super dooper duper. L. Coyote May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow May 2016 #34
I love that story. Kingofalldems May 2016 #40
Another yawner philosslayer May 2016 #20
She'll be the nominee nyabingi May 2016 #22
She will do no such thing. philosslayer May 2016 #31
This just adds to the real perception that nyabingi May 2016 #35
Powell and Rice did not do the exact same thing. Not at all. stillwaiting May 2016 #46
At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business AlbertCat May 2016 #25
In other words, she broke the law (the Federal Records Act). nt thereismore May 2016 #42
can't read or count, heh? Cryptoad May 2016 #45
Hillary is a mess Geronimoe May 2016 #43

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
1. Certainly not too late
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:48 PM
May 2016

to nominate Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee and win in November.... If she is allowed to steal the nomination these type of reports are going to sink her in the GE... People don't want a crook in the White House no matter how bad the option of Trump would be..... she is untrustworthy a sneak and a liar who fails to follow the rules... America does not need a Queen....

Any normal person under this much scrutiny and causing this much angst in her own party would have the common decency to suspend her campaign and climb aboard the Sanders Political Revolution....

JohnnyRingo

(20,863 posts)
19. Hillary is not a "crook"
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

She hasn't stolen, cheated anyone, or committed fraud. She merely used a private server for her email. but not for personal gain. It may be embarrassing, but I don't believe there's even a federal law against that.

Nixon was famously a crook for cheating on his taxes.

I know you love Bernie with all your heart, but that shouldn't make Hillary Clinton an enemy of the state in your eyes. It causes you to say things that are ridiculous.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
26. Everything about the Clintons & the Clinton Foundation is "for personal gain." nt
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

Response to appal_jack (Reply #26)

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
39. How about liar? Said she was cooperating with the investigation and she.did.not.
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:01 PM
May 2016

Response to JudyM (Reply #39)

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
2. How many times is this story going to b posted? this make number four
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:49 PM
May 2016

funny how it all depends on content of the story as to how the board rules are enforced.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. It will be posted more, too. As will the follow up stories.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

Shoes keep dropping.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
9. This is just the beginning.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

Response to jillan (Reply #9)

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
10. I sent duplicate alerts, but I guess the hosts are ????
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:00 PM
May 2016

don't know. A duplicate is a pretty easy decision.

 

Commander Keen

(10 posts)
13. TRUTH!
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
16. Troll alert
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

frylock

(34,825 posts)
23. How many times was the chair throwing story posted?
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

Response to frylock (Reply #23)

Response to Cryptoad (Reply #2)

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
44. that fine if it is apply equally
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

but any story that is favorable to hrc45 will only be allowed to b posted once, Geeez,, and the DU admins are sitting around scratching their asses wondering why membership and posting has dropped off so much here at DU. Hello!

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
3. She did this to herself.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

Let's not forget that, lest anyone is inclined to feel sorry for her.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
5. And this is our nominee?
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

Can you imagine the unforced errors she'll subject her administration - and by extension, the U.S. - once she's in.

The GOPee will have a field day, that's for sure.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
17. Yep...
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:25 PM
May 2016

This!!

Peachhead22

(1,083 posts)
8. No, she did it to all of us :(
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:59 PM
May 2016

Since she is the "overwhelming frontrunner" as her supporters say...constantly. Her mistakes are going to hurt the effort to defeat Trump. No matter if she doesn't make it to the GE. And that hurts all of us.

DWS, Sen. Boxer, et al. tied their train to a boxcar of nitroglycerin. If it explodes it damages everybody.

Response to Duval (Reply #3)

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
6. When you're busy working out the details
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:53 PM
May 2016

involved in overthrowing a leader in Libya then arranging the transfer weapons to al-Qa'ida-affiliated thugs/mercenaries in Syria, it's best to try and keep it hidden from public view. Since both Republicans and Democrats back this sort of geopolitical violence, I doubt much will be made publicly about what Hillary was doing as SoS. It appears she was following in the blood-soaked footsteps of her mentor Henry Kissinger.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
15. Hillary was running her own rogue State Department on the side
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

In that arena, she continued to deal with Sidney Blumenthal, who Obama had banned from his administration from Day 1. Hillary had been informed of this. Since Blumenthal could not be put on the State Department payroll for the work and subsequent advice he gave Hillary, it was arranged for him to become a Clinton Foundation employee. Some of that advice Hillary assumed as her own position on matters, and she carried those positions to the President's Office. I have long wondered how he felt when he found out she was against his rules dealing with Blumenthal. I assume he must have been livid.

Sam

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
18. And you know this how?
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
37. Read through some of her e-mails
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:58 PM
May 2016

A lot of them are to or from Sidney Blumenthal. You can get a feel for what kind of person he is by reading a few of them.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
38. I know this because of the evidence revealed about her interactions with Sidney Blumenthal
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:58 PM
May 2016

whom President Obama had forbidden to be involved in his administration from Day 1. Hillary Clinton was specifically informed of this, but she continued to interact with Blumenthal who had no classified security clearance and to recommend his advice.

This is the only thing I will guote now because there simply is no question this happened, and I want to go back to other issues being discussed right now. But you can find the emails on the internet if you like and read them for yourself.

Sam

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
21. I bet he was
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

He made a serious mistake appointing her head of the State Department and I think in the interview he gave this year when he stated that his biggest mistake was not handling Libya well, he was subtly criticizing the horrible advice he got from Hillary and her people. I don't think he was too thrilled with her service after that first term and was probably glad to be done with her.

There is a foreign policy "industry" or "establishment" now who take presidents (or presidential candidates) under their wing and convince them to follow the neoconservative/neoliberal paradigm that we've always followed. This is why Hillary scares me (she's been an active member and follow of this establishment), and why both Trump and Bernie scare the foreign policy establishment (although I believe Trump's stupidity will eventually see him yielding foreign policy decisions to the establishment people).

These emails are pretty interesting - going to spend some time reading though as many as I can.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
41. This is a really good post; I actually thought the same thing as you when I heard President Obama
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

discussing his biggest mistake. I immediately thought of Hillary and Blumenthal.

I found the email I read somewhat interesting but some I found some jaw dropping. The most serious breaches have been reported but are not so much a matter of great discussion here. I want to repeat that phrase -- some of these matters are jaw dropping. You should read them for yourself.

Sam

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
7. It sounds like Obama was out of the loop on this as well.
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

Justice

(7,260 posts)
11. Clinton's actions were not unlawful under either federal records preservation laws or criminal laws
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016


Stephen Vladek, a law professor at American University in Washington, said the findings by the Office of Inspector General are "deeply consistent with what most legal experts have long suspected -- that Secretary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail server to conduct official business was inconsistent with internal State Department guidelines."

"Critically, though, the OIG report does not appear to conclude that any of Secretary Clinton’s actions were unlawful under either federal records preservation laws or criminal statutes," said Vladek, who specializes in constitutional and national-security law.



http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-05-25/clinton-e-mail-use-violated-rules-state-department-audit-finds

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
14. Here is the conclusion of the report
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016
"Longstanding, systemic weaknesses related to electronic records and communications
have existed within the Office of the Secretary that go well beyond the tenure of any one Secretary ofState. OIG recognizes that technology and Department policy have evolved considerably since
Secretary Albright’s tenure began in 1997. Nevertheless, the Department
generally and the Office of the Secretary in particular have
been slow to recognize and to manage effectively the legal requirements
and cyber security risks associated with electronic data communications,
particularly as those risks pertain to its most senior leadership. OIG expects that its
recommendations will move the Department steps closer to meaningfully addressing these risks."

PP 45



all this other is GOP and Bernie Bull Shit !
they can't read or count!
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
33. Clinton's actions were not unlawful under either federal records preservation laws or criminal laws
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:51 PM
May 2016

Oh whew!

So it was just some really bad, incompetent, stupid judgement.

Good to know.

L. Coyote

(51,134 posts)
12. Dupe.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

Kingofalldems

(40,274 posts)
24. It's the dupe of a dupe of a dupe.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

LBN being swarmed.

Hillary is the nominee Bernie people. She got more votes.

L. Coyote

(51,134 posts)
36. A better than regular super dooper duper.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:56 PM
May 2016

There are only two candidates everyone, love and hate. You have to decide which of these two parties you want to be a part of.[center]

Response to L. Coyote (Reply #12)

Kingofalldems

(40,274 posts)
40. I love that story.
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:02 PM
May 2016
 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
20. Another yawner
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

The public clearly doesn't care, and this continues to be a non-issue. Secretary Clinton will be the nominee regardless of how much mud the opposition tries to dig up.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
22. She'll be the nominee
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

and go down in flames in the general election.

There's a reason why her numbers have been slipping nationally against Trump (the two most unpopular people to run for president in a long time, if not ever).

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
31. She will do no such thing.
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

The public does. not. care. They know that this is just another right wing smear attempt. Powell and Rice did the exact same thing. This is a big nothing.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
35. This just adds to the real perception that
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:55 PM
May 2016

she is a corrupt and dishonest individual, and her lack of integrity has nothing to do with right-wing smear attempts.

The Republicans didn't force her to use a private server for government business, she did that on her own. And saying two other corrupt Secretaries of State did it is really not very reassuring.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
46. Powell and Rice did not do the exact same thing. Not at all.
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

There is a big difference between what HRC did and what Powell and Rice did.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
25. At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016
... before leaving government service


She was in such a hurry to be coronated!

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
42. In other words, she broke the law (the Federal Records Act). nt
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:06 PM
May 2016

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
45. can't read or count, heh?
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016
 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
43. Hillary is a mess
Wed May 25, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

Patraeus had papers in his office. Hillary had a server.

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