Trump: If I’m Elected, GOP Will Become A 'Worker’s Party'

[beastie boy]

Source: TPM

“Five, 10 years from now—different party,” Trump told Bloomberg Politics during an extended sit-down folded within the magazine’s profile on Republican National Committee Chair Reince Priebus. “You’re going to have a worker’s party."

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Trump's comments immediately caught attention on social media, given that "worker's party” is a term adopted by many left-wing socialist political organizations. The term has also been used by right-wing groups like the National Socialist German Worker's Party, or Nazi Party.

In the Bloomberg interview, Trump outlined a new vision for the GOP vastly different from the laissez-faire, hawkish, inclusive-to-minorities plan the party set forth after losing the 2012 presidential election. Trump’s Republican Party would restrict free trade, protect Social Security and push the U.S. to turn inwards.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-gop-workers-party

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I don't know about the Hillary and Bernie bashers, but this is getting too close for comfort for me.

Time to stop playing games and face the ugly.

[TBF]

1. He's a Nazi -

and not the first to lure workers to nationalism.

As far as "playing games" my advice to you would be to embrace Bernie Sanders - the one politician who can beat Donald Trump. His poll numbers are much higher than Hillary Clinton, who is being actively investigated by the FBI. Further, Bernie offered to debate the guy and the chicken sh*t backed off. We can beat him with Bernie.

[Democat]

6. I would suggest that you support both Democrats over Trump

Most of the arguments between Sanders and Clinton supporters are stupid. Either of the Democratic candidates can and will beat Trump if we all work together.

Anyone who won't help to beat Trump - regardless of which Democratic candidate wins the nomination - should be kicked off of DU tomorrow.

[TBF]

7. I suggest you do the same. nt

[Democat]

10. I would be happy to support either Democrat over Trump

He needs to be stopped.

[Initech]

12. To me this sounds more like "commie pinko dirtbag" than "national socialism".

If anything that makes Trumpenfuror less Hitler and more Stalin or Mao. Not saying that is a good thing either.

[TBF]

23. Nazism -

http://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/nazi-party

If I thought he was more like Stalin or Mao I actually wouldn't worry quite as much (although I'd prefer a more libertarian form of communism personally) - it's obvious Trump loves Hitler and is patterning his campaign after him. That has always been the threat in this country. Americans seem to like authoritarians despite their cries for "freedom".

[JackRiddler]

40. NS-DAP, you know what the DAP means?

Deutsche Arbeirter Partei.

German Workers Party!

[red dog 1]

15. + 1

[beastie boy]

16. At this point, I am not entertaining any suggestions other than

what our not too distant history suggests. We've been through this before, and we know where it ends. Other than fighting tooth and nail to prevent this from happening, however small the chances, any political rivalries fall under my category of playing games.

[stopbush]

21. Er, you can't beat Trump in the GE if you can't beat Hillary in the primaries.

Hillary is our candidate and she will destroy Trump in the GE.

[TBF]

24. Hillary's blatant election fraud is making it tricky -

but Bernie's not out of it yet. We are going to Philadelphia.

[stopbush]

25. Oh, please. Do you actually believe that?

Laughable.

[TBF]

38. It was easier before smartphones -

now we can capture the activity as it's happening. I wish you well in the general.

[stopbush]

39. Ridiculous conspiracy theories.

And of course, the theft never happens in the states that Sanders wins.

Pathetic.

[JackRiddler]

41. I'm sure there was theft in states Sanders won.

[stopbush]

42. Theft by Sanders?

[JackRiddler]

43. Maybe if you get Bugliosi to write the novel.

[stopbush]

47. At least Bugliosi put to rest the fantasies about the JFK murder.

Fabulous book. Well-nigh definitive.

[HooptieWagon]

27. Ssnders does far better than Clinton among indies.

Indies are over 40% of the registered voters, not going to win unless you at least get a 50/50 split like Obama. Clinton is 33%....which indicates a loss in Nov.

[stopbush]

29. Wrong on all levels.

Indies have never decided an election and never will. They split evenly across party lines - mostly Ds, to be honest - and they lean very heavily to D or R. Only 5% of people identifying as Indies are equally disposed to voting D or R.

No, the important demographics in national elections have absolutely nothing to do with Indies. It has to do with the women's vote and the emerging minority vote that in aggregate trumps any influence of the Indy vote. Trump is getting creamed here. Trump needs at least 40% of the black vote to win. He's currently polling at 11%. He needs the women's vote to win. He has a 70% disapproval rating among women.

15% of R voters say they'll vote for Hillary. That could change, but the trend iS novel and it is there.

Couple that with the fact that any D running for president starts with a huge advantage in the Electoral College vote, roughly 217 to 191 for the R. That means the D needs only 53 electoral votes to win. If Hillary carries Fl and PA, she's only 4 EC votes short of 270. OH with 18 or WI with 10 would be all she'll need.

So, no, Indies don't decide things, no matter their own sense of self importance.

[lancer78]

70. Obama

lost the indie vote by 5% in 2012.

[nxylas]

32. I'm not so sure

She and Drumph were neck and neck in the polls last time I checked. It's one thing to just about "win" an election that's run by your cronies and massively rigged in your favour. The general will be a whole different kettle of fish.

[stopbush]

33. Hillary's support will solidify and grow once Sanders gets out.

It's actually better for her not to have a big lead right now. The media obsesses about momentum, and having momentum and support building as one gets closer to the GE is an important optic.

All GE polls are meaningless at this point.

[HooptieWagon]

34. Her poll numbers have always gone down..

Every single time. Claiming her numbers will rise is the complete opposite of her record.

[stopbush]

35. Immaterial.

Remember when Reagan didn't get the R nomination? Did his "record" in primaries keep him from becoming president later?

Yes, something "always" happens...until it doesn't.

[HooptieWagon]

36. Clinton's record doesn't matter to Clintons chances of election,...

...but Reagans does. Uh, OK.

[stopbush]

37. Do you want Clinton to lose? Is that your hope?

Just curious.

[JackRiddler]

44. Yes, but before July.

[stopbush]

46. Well, that's not happening.

How about in the GE? Do you want Hillary to win against Trump?

[TBF]

48. You must be joking

Sanders supporters are not going for Hillary. Check out Reddit and Twitter. Not happening.

Seriously, if you lived in the middle of this country you'd understand what we're talking about. I grew up in the midwest, lived in the Wash DC area many years, and now reside in TX (due to a job - this was not my first choice). People inside the beltway often have no clue as to how Peoria makes decisions. I see more "Hillary for prison" bumper stickers down here in the Houston area than anything and that is just sad, but it is an indicator of how things are going to go.

I know you have to do your thing, but truly she is not the best candidate for the party. And I have been around many years - I worked in the law firm that held the Clinton Legal Defense meetings in the 90s. I've voted for every dem candidate for president since 1992 (although I sometimes cross over to Greens in local elections). The odds are just not in your favor here.

[stopbush]

50. I've been a D since 1972. I've voted for great candidates

and I've voted for candidates I knew would lose.

Hillary is a great candidate. Sanders is a candidate who would lose to Trump just like he's already lost to Hillary. He is about the worst option we could have.

[TBF]

55. Clinton is being investigated by the FBI -

OK, well I guess we will have to agree to disagree. That happens sometimes.

[stopbush]

56. No, she isn't. Get your facts straight.

— Jeb Bush on Thursday, January 14th, 2016 in the Fox Business Network debate
Here's what's wrong with Jeb Bush saying Hillary Clinton is under FBI investigation

By Lauren Carroll on Thursday, January 14th, 2016 at 11:04 p.m.

If Hillary Clinton becomes president, she might find herself preoccupied with an FBI investigation, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said at a Republican presidential debate in South Carolina.

"She’s under investigation with the FBI right now," Bush said Jan. 14. "If she gets elected, her first 100 days — instead of setting an agenda, she might be going back and forth between the White House and the court house."

Actually, Clinton is not under FBI investigation. The inquiry to which Bush refers revolves around the private email server Clinton used while serving as secretary of state. And it is not a criminal investigation.

Here are the facts.

In July 2015, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community sent what is called a security referral to members of the executive branch. A security referral is essentially a notification that classified information might exist in a location outside of the government’s possession. In this case, the location was Clinton’s private email server.

Soon after, the New York Times incorrectly reported that the inspectors general requested a criminal investigation into Clinton’s email use — as opposed to a security referral. But the newspaper later issued two corrections. The referral was in connection with Clinton’s account, not whether Clinton herself mishandled information, and did not allege criminal activity.

Officials told reporters at the time that the FBI was not targeting Clinton specifically.

As part of its inquiry, the FBI has looked into the security setup for Clinton’s home server and a thumb drive that has copies of Clinton’s work emails. But most details of the investigation have remained secret. It’s even unclear at this point whether the FBI probe is just a preliminary inquiry or if it has evolved into a true investigation, according to Politico.

Describing the inquiry, FBI Director James Comey told Congress in October 2015, "The FBI is working on a referral given to us by inspectors general in connection with former Sec. Clinton’s use of a private email server."

He declined to give any more specifics.

Earlier this month, Fox News reported that the FBI was broadening its investigation to look into whether any connection between the State Department under Clinton and the nonprofit Clinton Foundation violated public corruption laws. Clinton denied that FBI was pursuing this line of inquiry.

However, Fox bases its report on unnamed sources, so we cannot independently verify it, nor have any major media outlets.

Bush’s campaign and the FBI did not respond to our requests for comment in time for publication.

Our ruling

Bush said Clinton is "under investigation with the FBI right now."

Not quite. The FBI is conducting a general inquiry into the security of Clinton’s private email server. But law enforcement officials have said Clinton herself is not the target of the inquiry, and it is not a full-blown criminal investigation.

Clinton’s actions are clearly front-and-center in an FBI investigation. But Bush goes too far to claim Clinton herself is under investigation. We rate his statement Half True.

[TBF]

57. Sweet Jesus that article is from January -

do you think we can't read?

This is a new low from the Brock camp.

[TBF]

58. Let's try the Washington Post from 2 DAYS ago

The Post's View
Clinton’s inexcusable, willful disregard for the rules

By Editorial Board May 25

HILLARY CLINTON’S use of a private email server while secretary of state from 2009 to 2013 has been justifiably criticized as an error of judgment. What the new report from the State Department inspector general makes clear is that it also was not a casual oversight. Ms. Clinton had plenty of warnings to use official government communications methods, so as to make sure that her records were properly preserved and to minimize cybersecurity risks. She ignored them.

The 83-page report declares that “beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011,” the department revised its Foreign Affairs Manual and “issued various memoranda specifically discussing the obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not doing so.” Ms. Clinton didn’t.

[Hillary Clinton is walking into Donald Trump’s trap]

During her tenure, State Department employees were told that they were expected to use approved, secure methods to transmit information that was sensitive but unclassified, or SBU. If they needed to transmit SBU information outside the department’s network, they were told to ask information specialists for help. The report said there is no evidence that Ms. Clinton ever asked, “despite the fact that emails exchanged on her personal account regularly contained information that was marked as SBU.” On June 28, 2011, a cable was sent to all diplomatic and consular posts over her signature warning that personal email accounts could be compromised and officials should “avoid conducting official Department business from your personal e-mail accounts.” At the time, Ms. Clinton was doing exactly that.

Much more here (unlike you I follow the copywrite rules of the site): https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clintons-inexcusable-willful-disregard-for-the-rules/2016/05/25/0089e942-22ae-11e6-9e7f-57890b612299_story.html

[stopbush]

59. Where in that report does it say she is under FBI investigation?

[TBF]

61. Ok, Mr. Lawyer, you want exact words -

FBI formally confirms its investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server

02/08/16 05:30 PM—Updated 02/08/16 06:58 PM
By Pete Williams

In a letter disclosed Monday in a federal court filing, the FBI confirms one of the world’s worst-kept secrets: It is looking into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

Why say this at all, since it was widely known to be true? Because in August in response to a judge’s direction, the State Department asked the FBI for information about what it was up to. Sorry, the FBI said at the time, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any investigation.

Now, in a letter dated February 2 and filed in court Monday, the FBI’s general counsel, James Baker, notes that in public statements and congressional testimony, the FBI “has acknowledged generally that it is working on matters related to former Secretary Clinton’s use of a private email server.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-hillary-clintons-email-server

[stopbush]

62. Exact words are "e-mail server," not "Hillary Clinton."

I refer you back to that Politicfact article from January where you can learn the difference, because it's a difference that matters.

[TBF]

63. Oh my lord.

This is the definition thing again. It may matter legally - and I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe Hillary Clinton would actually spend time in jail (that pardon would be quick) - but people understand when someone isn't being straight with them.

You can fix primaries, take her through convention, but then you have to get the American people to vote for a liar.

That's where this plan falls apart.

[stopbush]

64. It's simple: if your employer is under investigation it doesn't mean you

as an employee are under investigation.

Yes, definitions matter. Precise language matters. If you are saying a person is being investigated by the FBI, you better be precise and know exactly what that means.

The bottm line here is that there was no criminal activity. No laws were broken. All that happened was that government guidelines weren't followed in a few instances. So, Hillary didn't make a hard copy of a few initial emails she sent as SoS. Big effing deal.

Apoarently, you don't care. Words don't having meaning for you. A dog might well be the same as a cat in your book.

This is imprecise, infantile thinking that has no place in a serious discussion of such weighty matters.

Ergo, it's difficult to take you seriously.

[TBF]

65. Impressions matter

you can insult folks all you like. I'm sure that will work for you in November as well. Good luck!

[stopbush]

67. Facts matter more than impressions.

Sorry to learn that you're one who prefers impressions over facts.

Good luck with that as you go thru life.

[dembotoz]

68. that is crap....perception drives turn out if facts matter trump would be over

[bucolic_frolic]

2. His intentions are clear at this point

anyone who doesn't take this seriously is asleep

[Democat]

3. Anyone who doesn't vote for the Democratic candidate

If you plan to help Trump get elected, you are not a liberal.

[TeamPooka]

4. yup

[christx30]

31. I don't like Hillary in the least.

But I will hold my nose and vote for her in November if I have no viable alternative.
If vote for a Dalek before I stay home or vote for Trump.

[C Moon]

5. I can't wait to see this guy lose, and spend his last days "golfing" (as he said).

Just like R$ pumping gas.

[NewJeffCT]

8. As I said in another thread

The "workers" party he is referring to will be other corporate executives and a group of 3rd rate celebrities.

[beastie boy]

18. We all know who were responsible for the other infamous "workers'" party's rise to power.

Corporate interests and skilled demagogues playing on the fears and prejudices of the working class. The parallels are too frightening.

[askeptic]

9. Given Trump's command of english, don't think we ought to go after nazi angle...

at least from the perspective of it being an easy enough to turn phrase, that many of us would like to hear. If we automatically jump on the Nazi bandwagon, it makes us look as silly as the folks there (in both Trump's camp and the MSM) who jump on the hidden meaning in every phrase Bernie and Hillary mutter. Let's not be tools here.

The way to get over on Trump on this is to mock his "workingman's" credentials. What in his life has he ever done for the working "man"? Continue to attack his misogyny - he couldn't even say "person"? Born on 3rd base and thinks he made a home run.

I think it is really interesting he is spouting restrictions of free trade and SS protection as main themes, and at least hyping the idea that working people matter, even if not truthful. With Trump saying it, then who is to dispute or make it sound crazy when Bernie talks about it. What?! The Republican candidate says free-trade has screwed American workers, and the socialist program known as social security shouldn't be privatized?!! The Republicans saying the Dems have been right all along?!!! Wow!

[socialist_n_TN]

20. Why can't you do both? The Republicans will be a "workers'" party........

like the NAZIs were a "socialist" party. And what does a billionaire who won the "lucky sperm lottery" and inherited $40 MILLION know about the plight of workers?

[Initech]

11. "Under my watch, we'll have the best workers."

"We'll have the most productive workers, and we'll have a party that supports the workers! We'll build a wall around the less productive workers. We'll make working great again! What? That's not communist!"

[w4rma]

30. Whatever -ism you want to call it, it's **exactly** what Adolf Hitler did.

And then Hitler banned unions and killed the Communists.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. Making Trump Rich again

not through higher wages, but through exploitation and
plundering of federal assets, national forests, national parks

I think that's what workers mean to Trump and Ryan

[MidwestTech]

14. Given the gop penchant for naming things that are the polar opposite of what they really are...

I would be very worried.

I have defended Hillary for over 20+ years, since the Clinton days.
I don;t like how close she is to the corporations now a days.
I prefer Bernie

that said I will always vote for the democratic nominee no matter what I feel about them.
I literally held my nose when I voted for Gore in '00. I wasn't impressed with his campaign but I knew he'd have to be better than *.
I'll do the same with HRC. I just hope the outcome is different this time...

[stopbush]

45. As if being closer to corporate interests than the next politician

is disqualifying.

I will take that trait - real or imagined - over not having any knowledge of or interest in foreign policy and holding a simplistic view of what drives domestic policy, as is the case with Sanders.

He is an amateur who is clearly out of his depth on the national stage.

[raging moderate]

17. All of these rich tycoons think they are the only real workers.

And the rest of us are just useless eaters, too stupid and lazy to anything worthwhile unless we are forced in to it. I once read a book which argued forcefully that only business management was real work; other jobs were only "labor" meaning easy mindless activity.

[red dog 1]

19. If Trump isn't the "Anti-Christ"

then he must be the re-incarnation of his idol, Adolph Hitler!

"Worker's party" my ass!

[LiberalArkie]

22. Is he trying to go back in time?

[Trajan]

26. OP is fear mongering

The shocking development here -> the GOP, party of corporate elites, is now .. The Workers Party?

Haha .... The doesn't scare liberals, but I can assure you it scares the hell out of the GOP Corporate sycophant universe ...

Trump = Chairman Mao?


Hahaha ... Fucking hilarious ...

[L. Coyote]

28. Yeah, AND, if Sanders is elected, the Democrats will become the Plutocrat's Party

Maybe Trump is trying to say, "If I’m Elected, cows will fly to the moon."

Or maybe he's just sayin "There's like zero chance I'll ever be elected!"

[Kablooie]

49. Winston Smith belonged to the workers party.

[Agnosticsherbet]

51. Trump is like Humpty Dumpty, "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less.
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all.""

What "Worker's Party" means to most of us is irrelevant. What that means to trump is what matters.


Trump is slicker than a quart of diarrhea. We need to come together to kick is ass.

[hollowdweller]

52. This is what happens when dems ignore the US worker.

It leaves a vacuum that can be filled by some very ugly things.

[socialist_n_TN]

54. Absolute best answer on this thread AND on the subject......

Thanks.

[daleo]

69. That sums it up.

[jpak]

53. Heil Trump!

yup

[ananda]

60. The robots and white angry serfs full of hate.

Sheesh.

[lindysalsagal]

66. If fRump's president, we'll all be working for him, minimum wage. Hence, "worker's party'

Like, Tea Party."

It will be something akin to The Hunger Games.