Clinton adds more campaign stops to avert a Sanders upset in California

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: Washington Post


NEW YORK -- Hillary Clinton has upended her campaign schedule, adding more stops in California, in an effort to prevent an embarrassing loss there to Bernie Sanders, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Clinton originally planned to campaign for two days this week in New Jersey, but at the last minute canceled an event on Thursday and will instead return to California for a five-day swing.

The schedule change comes as Sanders has barnstormed California, not leaving the state in more than a week. Meanwhile, a recent poll found the race closing significantly. Clinton's lead over Sanders had narrowed to just two points.

Details are scarce, but Clinton now plans to hold events in California from Thursday until the day before the state's June 7 primary.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/30/clinton-adds-more-campaign-stops-to-avert-a-sanders-upset-in-california/

[Thinkingabout]

1. If Sanders does not win by 100% it will look like a loss to him.

[Cryptoad]

5. Sanders will lose even with a 100% CA win!

She will clinch the nomination n NJ before the polls close in CA

[Thinkingabout]

7. Yes, soon and very soon.

[Baobab]

15. I thought she was leading by 20 points! Her poll said so.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. Hillary is worried about CA

[bjo59]

58. Repeating that outworn cliched talking point never gets embarrassing?

[SusanLarson]

72. 85% win

You do know how it makes you look when you make asinine statements like that. It would only take a 85% win in California for either nominee to cinch the nomination.

[SusanLarson]

6. This is a very sly tactic

Nice tactic raise those expectations to unreasonable levels then when anything less happens then you can say see! I was right. LOL.

As for winning in New Jersey she can't super delegates do not count until the convention. She cannot get the 2383 delegates to win the nomination. What you are advocating is basically election fraud.

[Thinkingabout]

9. The required delegate count will happen in NJ.

[roguevalley]

18. no it won't but enjoy yourself

[forest444]

25. And even if it does, Ms. Inevitable still has a YOOGE obstacle ahead of her: a federal indictment.

Not even Wassergate-Schultz will be able to force the convention to nominate a candidate under federal indictment(s).

Unless, of course, the GOP has the courts delay said indictment until after the nomination - which is probably indeed how it's going to happen.

[StevieM]

51. No. She doesn't. She's not getting indicted. (eom)

[forest444]

54. I hope you're right, Steve.

The problem is that even if she isn't indicted by the courts, she already has been by much of the electorate - including most of the crucial independent vote.

With or without an actual indictment, she'll need a strong showing by Gary Johnson to win. I hope for the sake of us all that it does indeed work out that way.

[Nitram]

74. Ah, yes, the elusive independent voter whose minds you feel you have penetrated.

"Much of the electorate?" LOL!

[forest444]

76. They may be elusive to you; but not to pollsters.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/views-on-hillary-clinton-and-the-email-controversy/

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/27/wapoabc-poll-hillarys-trustworthiness-down-to-36-among-democrats/

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/donald-trump-poll-hillary-clinton-presidential-election-2016

And we're not even in the general yet. She'll need a small miracle (St. Gary of Johnson, perhaps?).

[StevieM]

50. The point being made was that a precedent was set in 2008. The PD winner will be treated as

the rightful nominee and the SDs will not overturn the PD count.

On June 7 Hillary will secure a majority of PDs to the convention. And she will have commitments from enough SDs to secure a majority of overall delegates to the convention. And that is why she will be recognized at that point as the presumptive nominee, just like Obama was in 2008.

I agree that the race should not be over at that point. Bernie should stay in through June 14 when Washington DC votes so that everyone has the opportunity to vote for the candidate that they prefer.

But if Hillary ends the race with more votes and more delegates it is unrealistic to think that Sanders will be the nominee of the party.

[bkkyosemite]

30. No! It will not!

[pangaia]

33. You are wasting your time there.

I tried for months. Finally just gave up.

[SusanLarson]

71. Oh really?

2,383 needed for nomination · 908 still available

Clinton
Pledged delegates 1,769
Deficit: 614

Sanders
Pledged delegates 1,501
Deficit: 882

New Jersey

Delegates: 142
Allocation: Proportional
Threshold: 15% (minimum vote to receive any delegates)
Notes: Some delegates allocated statewide and some by each of 20 state-defined delegate districts

Sorry your math does not quite add up.

It is impossible that Clinton will win the 614 delegates needed to seal the nomination before the convention. It's going to a contested convention.

[Thinkingabout]

80. Your math is a little shy of the truth, but by your math Sanders will not be the nominee.

For Sanders to reach half of the pledged delegate count he needs 541 plus he will need 357 of the super delegates to reach the required delegate count of 2383.

[SusanLarson]

81. He doesn't have to

He just has to keep her from winning.

[brooklynite]

78. Who is the fraud being perpetrated on?

After voting is done, the only people who could be influenced are Superdelegates.

[passiveporcupine]

13. Are you referring to the spunk?

That's what you called him in the Hillary group, but I'm not sure what you meant. I doubt you meant "brave" and I doubt you meant "tinder". I suspect you meant to use a word that rhymes with another word you are afraid to say.

I notice that some of you who don't have yellow buttons use the Hillary group to spout some pretty ugly things about Bernie, in hopes you won't get a hide for it.

Maybe this is just another ploy?

But, after seeing this and your response to this thread, I think it's time to put you on ignore, yellow button or no.

Buh Bye!

plonk

[chwaliszewski]

26. I've noticed that too.

Both sides are equally guilty of spewing some vile diatribe about their opponent (political passion, albeit a tad callow) but I've noticed that some Hillary supporters say some nasty things in the Hillary group which some or many of us Berniacs (including myself) have been blocked from posting in. This kind of impedes our attempt to call bullshit on some of their lies. C'est la vie.

[ebayfool]

86. Hmmm. In the welding inspection field, spunk is a term for lubricant used in UltraSonic Testing ...

termed such because it looks just like male 'jizz' (sorry, couldn't think of a quick, nicer term). I suspect the user was using more in that frame than "brave". Kinda standard for that group, imo. Like calling Sander's supporters "douchebros". Imagine the torches and pitchforks if a Sander's group used that term about Clinton.

Yes, I found the thread used. My definition fits.

[onehandle]

2. She'll be ignoring the also-ran and be focusing on Trump. nt

[Gene Debs]

3. She adds more events, but chickened out of a debate she'd agreed to a long time ago. That's

leadership.

[Cryptoad]

4. PPIC Poll ? stop it , stop it,,, u are cracking me up!

don't make me pee in my britches!

[LibDemAlways]

8. LOL...Clinton's internal polling numbers must be grim.

I live in So. Cal and have seen no enthusiasm at all for Hillary. Have only seen two bumper stickers referencing her. One said, "I'm with her" and the other, "Hillary for Prison 2016." Bernie stickers are everywhere. It didn't help either that she turned down a debate here. Now she could campaign in the state 24/7 until the 7th and it wouldn't make a difference. Bernie will win California.

[Thinkingabout]

10. Still want to see the results but the required delegate count will happen in NJ

[rateyes]

21. Keep thinking that! But supers don't vote til the convention.

But remember when that messy convention floor fight happens that we Berniecrats told you so.

[Thinkingabout]

23. When do you think the pledged delegates vote?

[rateyes]

29. Supers aren't pledged and can change their minds

Pledged are just that.. Pledged til after first round. Personally, I am hoping for a brokered convention.

[Thinkingabout]

46. It will not be a brokered convention, on the first vote in which all delegates will vote there will

be a majority and there will not be a second vote. It will be a done deal. Why do you think it will be a brokered convention?

[Plucketeer]

17. Now that you mention it

I haven't seen ONE Hillary sticker, sign, shirt - NADA.

[pablo_marmol]

22. In northern San Diego county, nothing but Bernie stickers.

Not saying that this translates to electoral victory, but nobody is 'out' about their support for Hillary.

[riversedge]

68. Ah the Peggy Noonan litmus test: She preditcted Romney would win because of all the Yard Signs out

for him.

[pablo_marmol]

83. So clearly, your reading comprehension is weak.

What part of "Not saying that this translates to electoral victory......" got by you?

[riversedge]

84. Lighten up. I saw it and can camprehend just fine.

[pablo_marmol]

85. So then your comment makes no sense. Alright.

[StevieM]

49. We'll talk again on June 7. I expect a 10 point Hillary win. (eom)

[Reiyuki]

60. I'm gonna say 2 points.

I like playing 'analytics'. Making predictions is really the only way to prove how well we know our field, and forecast the future.

I'll take your duel, sounds like fun

I'm expecting a Clinton 2pt victory.

I'm basing my analysis on:
- CA polls are 'broke', swinging between +2 and +18 for Clinton. It usually means sampling broke somehow and a shift is showing up in some polls but not others. These have tended to favor the challenger (Indiana+WV).
- Because the Republicans have had their nomination locked up, independents had a window to register democratic; that also favors Sanders.
- A personal opinion I base on forum trends. This is hard to describe, but it's about getting past the echo-chamber noise of both sides to see who's constructing bridges to attack vs who's burning bridges to defend.
- The State Department report is going to keep her in the news-cycle for another week, and not in a good way.



Lets check back that Wednesday and compare notes

[StevieM]

61. Agreed. We'll track each other down on June 8. (eom)

[Reiyuki]

88. Touche

Although the AP thing Monday night may have tipped the scales a bit, in the end you were much closer to the actual results.
I tip my hat to you sir

[StevieM]

89. Everyone will interpret the AP call based on their previously held bias.

Sanders supporters will conclude that it depressed their turnout since the race was declared over. Clinton supporters will argue that Sanders voters still turned out for their protest vote while Clinton backers saw no need.

In the end, neither side can prove that they are right. And it is also possible that it had no effect at all.

Either way, I doubt it moved the results more than a couple points in either direction.

And most importantly, we are all back together now. It is time to unite to defeat Donald Trump.

[reddread]

11. and Hell's coming with her!

Will she be followed around by a giant chicken with a burning pantsuit?

[onecaliberal]

12. That train has left the station. She is too little too late

That's what she gets for thinking this place is nothing more than an atm to her.

[ucrdem]

14. She's doing pretty well on the campaign trail here:

Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton greets supporters as she makes a campaign appearance at Parkside Hall in San Jose, Calif., Thursday, May 26, 2016.

San Jose: Hillary Clinton bashes 'loose cannon' Trump

SAN JOSE -- Facing a tightening primary battle in California and renewed criticism over her tenure as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton received a hero's welcome Thursday from more than 1,000 supporters in downtown San Jose eager to help the likely Democratic nominee get her campaign back on track.

Clinton devoted much of her 25-minute address in Parkside Hall to blasting "loose cannon" Donald Trump, who clinched the Republican nomination Thursday, as a menace to the world and working-class Americans alike.

"People say you talk about Trump a lot ... and I'll tell you why," Clinton said. "Because what he is saying is dangerous and divisive; what he is saying is harmful to our future and our country."

Clinton took a much different tack with Bernie Sanders, whom she described as a kindred spirit who would help her defeat Trump after they battle it out in the days leading up to California's June 7 primary.

"We are on the same page," she said, noting her support of universal health coverage, making college affordable and reining in Wall Street. "We are going to be coming together as a unified Democratic Party ... because Sen. Sanders and I -- our supporters together-- have so much more in common than we do with Donald Trump."

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/bay-area-news/ci_29942585/clinton-san-jose-sanders-and-trump-ponder-california

[elljay]

28. 1000 people in a city of 1M

on a holiday weekend impresses not. Bernie's rally in San Jose drew 5500 during a working day and he drew thousands in Vallejo, population 110k. She is getting at least two votes in my town of 30k, though, as I've seen two cars with Hillary stickers. No point counting the Bernie stickers- hey are all over. Alabama loves her; Silicon Valley, not so much.



http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_29909443/san-jose-bernie-sanders-continues-call-political-revolution

http://patch.com/california/napavalley/thousands-greet-bernie-sanders-vallejo-images

[ucrdem]

31. Bernie's attendance figures appear to be wildly exagerated.

This was described in GDP as a crowd of 25,000 in Oakland for example. I'd say that 250 would be putting it generously:

[elljay]

38. I guess you know better than the Oakland Police Department

which estimated 20,000. I assume you were actually there and not posting an opinion from one photo? Or, perhaps you have a psychic gift?


http://abc7news.com/politics/20000-people-expected-for-bernie-sanders-rally-in-oakland----watch-live/1362730/

[ucrdem]

40. No menton of police, and here's the accompanying pic:

500 tops and that's being generous. Which is 1/20 of 25,000. No, I don't know where these crazy figures are coming from, but I can guess.

[elljay]

45. It's in the news report

".@oaklandpoliceca estimates crowd at Frank Ogawa Plaza for @BernieSanders rally tops 20 thousand.
4:00 PM - 30 May 2016 · Oakland, CA, United States"

"Sanders supporters started lining up here much earlier in the morning, before the gates opened. The line extended all the way around the downtown area. Oakland police estimate the crowd topped 20,000."

Or, you can watch the tv news report and see the crowd.
http://video-kgo-abc-news-yahoopartner.tumblr.com/post/145184683289/estimated-20000-people-attend-bernie-sanders

[ucrdem]

55. Watched both videos, heard the reporter say it, but I'm not seeing it. Most crowded scene:

[thesquanderer]

65. Pics of bigger crowds than that

At this video

if you skip to 10:22, you can see that if you look further to the right of the image you posted, that people are spread out much further and deeper than in your photo (though you still can't tell how much further and deeper it might go, they disappear into the distance). The reporter at that same point in the video also mentions 26K at last count according to police... now, you might question the accuracy of the police estimate, but if you are a reporter on the scene and the police say 26k and you're seeing what looks like 250 or a generous 500 tops (as you suggest), you would be unlikely to simply pass along the 26k figure without comment. Also in ths same video, if you watch the 30 second clip that starts at about 1 hr 29 min in (i.e. when he's done), the camera pans so you can see that crowds extend in each direction.

Also you can see more photos at http://heavy.com/news/2016/05/bernie-sanders-oakland-california-rally-pictures-frank-ogawa-plaza-ca-photos-pics-how-many/

including this one from which the opening still of the video was derived:

[StoneCarver]

73. Thanks for the facts.

That fact's going to leave a mark.
Stonecarver

[leftinportland]

62. This again...

At least this time you didn't show up 3 hours late and claim no one was there...stay in your fantasy

[ucrdem]

63. LOL, to paraphrase Alice B. Toklas there's no 60,000 there

[bkkyosemite]

32. San Jose has over 2 million. I am from there. She had a few hundred he had thousands.

[ucrdem]

35. I'm noticing that the reported Bernie figures are inflated by at least 10x, often by 100x.

I saw it with my own eyes in my own little burg:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046962#op

[INdemo]

48. Well of course you would say that..Sorta reminnds me of the Bush

campaign when Kerry would have huge crowds and the networks would show empty bleachers at a completely different location.

Do you suppose Hillary will have her audience bused in to her rallies as Bush did?

[ucrdem]

53. So where are all the port-a-johns?

Where did all those tens of thousands do what people typically need to do after standing in the sun for hours?

[leftinportland]

66. UCRDEM...that rally you attended in your burb started at 4pm and you arrived at 7pm...

You saw only the remnants of the overflow crown...why do you continue this charade?

[ucrdem]

67. Doors opened at 4. Sanders was scheduled to speak at 7. He started while I was there. nt

[leftinportland]

69. Then you were obviously at the overflow section, which Sanders always addresses...

You ought to take up your false impression with your local press...their estimate of the crowd is 5,900...
http://www.sbsun.com/government-and-politics/20160524/bernie-sanders-visits-san-bernardino

You insistence that the crowd was only a few hundred there and in Oakland is false. I know it must obviously bother you that your candidate can not draw the same numbers of people, but your insistence that Sanders does not either makes you look ridiculous.

[ucrdem]

70. The largest hall on the premises has a max capacity of 3,600. The press is laughably wrong.

And there was no "overflow section." In fact video screenshots posted in the thread show that room dividers were used to reduce the capacity of the room.

Also, if you want to discuss this, discuss it there because this is ridiculous. Link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512046962

[elljay]

43. You are correct for metro area

SJ itself is just over 1M. I've worked there for years and never knew there was a Little Italy! I have no idea where it is, do you?

http://abc7news.com/news/san-joses-population-passes-one-million-mark-/734654/

[pangaia]

39. "Kindred spirit," MY ASS !!!

How dare she !!

The woman is the most dishonest, liar I have ever seen run for the Democratic nomination.


She is just insufferable.

[ucrdem]

52. She was being polite.

No, they really aren't very kindred, because Bernie is one-man font of negativity and Hillary is basically running against two guys who really don't like Democrats. But she's still winning.

[Wibly]

16. Tough one

What is hurting Clinton most in Cali, aside from all the usual stuff, is the fact she won't debate Sanders.
Clearly Trump tried to help her out on that one, but she still looks bad for not debating.
Then again, it's a tough one. If she did debate Sanders, she would clearly lose.
Oh the perplexity of being the anointed one but not having the support of the people.

[Octafish]

19. Makes it sound more plausible, anyway.

Good old WaPo, carrying water for Wall Street-on-the-Potomac.

In Michigan, I couldn't find a dozen Hillary supporters outside the local small suburb Democratic club.

I didn't believe the polling as almost everybody was on the Bernie bandwagon, which surprised me how close it was.

[Eric J in MN]

20. Please help Bernie in California if you can.

Clinton is trying to avoid a possible message that people in the biggest state agree with Bernie Sanders' ideas:

- Single Payer
- free tuition
- no fracking
- raise the cap on putting into Soc Security
- legal marijuana
- no mandatory minimums
- no death penalty
- separate savings banks from investment banks

[Duval]

37. I will! Count on it.

[Eric J in MN]

44. Thank you. NT

NT

[oldandhappy]

24. I thought she left California

She said she did not need us

[stonecutter357]

27. more gdp shit 💩 on the door 🚪 step of DU.

[Little Tich]

34. What happened to the debate with Sanders?

I was looking forward to watch it.

[Duval]

36. We'll see how this works out for her.

Will Bill be there, also?

[hollowdweller]

41. I think it would be better for Hillary if she won a majority without the superdelegates.

I would hope that she would anyway, but I think the idea that she wins using superdelegates that were pledged to her before the primary started would accentuate the perception that the fix was in and it was just a coronation of another member of the Royal Family. Not really what the Democratic Party is about.

[Flatpicker]

42. I'm just

Not confident she can beat Trump alone.

Let Bernie play out the schedule. I'm a supporter and know that he isn't going to be the candidate. I think he has made great strides for the future of progressive politics.

Hillary should give him the VP slot. He brings committed followers with him and can do some real good. Plus, It's only going to be a Hillary/Bernie ticket that will beat the media darling.

This is going to be an ugly season.

[emsimon33]

56. But she is too arrogant to hold a debate: To her, California is just not worth it

I hope that we trounce her and do so badly. There are already shenanigans going on (no exit polls, for one), but I hope that we can overcome our own California Democratic Party's attempts to steal the election and give Bernie a BIG (a uuuge) win.

George Clooney, the eye candy who can't act, is holding another big fund raiser for her--another reason to deign to come to our state. For Hillary, it is all about the bucks!

[slipslidingaway]

57. Great, better traffic near the West Windsor/Princeton area. Donate to Sanders before the end of ...

month.

Clinton cannot win the needed pledged delegates with the remaining primaries and the super delegates do not vote until the end of July and Clinton is still under several investigations and last I looked there are 150 super delegates that are uncommitted.

As much as the media and the Dem establishment would like to call her the nominee on 6/7 she will not have the needed delegates prior to the convention.

[Trajan]

59. That aughta do it ...

A few more coffee klatches should do the trick ...

Uh huh ...

[youceyec]

64. Yes, yes she is

[Carolina]

75. Dear Californians

Please do the right thing. You elected Ronald Reagan governor and from there, he was able to launch a presidential bid in 1976 and 1980. He went from unremarkable actor, to shilling for GE, to CA governor to the two-term POTUS who started US/us on this disastrous oligarchic, corporatist slide to hell.

Next Tuesday, PLEASE don't be fooled by HRC's campaign rhetoric and increased appearances in CA. Don't vote for HRC out of the fear promulgated in Gov. Brown's statement, a fear that maintains the status quo. Please send US the anti-Reagan, the man of real hope and change.

Vote for Bernie Sanders. Send a message to the third way, to the bought and paid for (corporate bribed) DINOs, to the establishment, to those in the Democratic Party who want you to vote AGAINST the opposition rather than FOR someone you can believe in, meaning voting yet again for the not so lesser of two evils.

This time there is a real choice between Wall Street Red and Wall Street Blue, and his name is Bernie Sanders.

Do what you can to START undoing Reagan!

[OwlinAZ]

79. Love to you.

from a long time, devoted Democrat.
California is my favorite state, next to New Mexico

[MisterP]

77. no debate and it's all fundraisers with a few people moved around to make it look like a line ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280202983

[Brother Buzz]

87. Juxtaposition, Sanders appears to be adding additional unscheduled rallies too

We got a horse race going on in California, and I like it. Hat tip to the Sanders campaign for bringing the ground game to California.