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Baobab

(4,667 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:51 PM Jun 2016

Vast Majority of Democrats Want Sanders to Stay in Race: Poll

Source: Common Dreams

Despite pressure from party establishment on Sanders to drop out of the race, most Democratic voters want the senator to keep running - A new poll released Wednesday found that a majority of registered Democrats want presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders to stay in the race. The national survey of 2,001 voters by Morning Consult found that 57 percent of all Democrats polled want Sanders to keep running, while 33 percent want him to drop out. Ten percent have no opinion.

The findings contradict the pressure from prominent Democratic politicians and centrist pundits on Sanders to drop out of the presidential race—some of whom even argue that he's already lost—despite the fact that several states (including delegate-rich California) and U.S. territories have yet to hold their primaries. (Polls also show Sanders and Clinton in a dead heat in California, which votes on June 7.)

The survey also found that a greater share of women registered as Democrats want Sanders to stay in the race than do Democratic men, directly contradicting another popular media narrative that posits that Sanders' support comes largely from men, while rival Hillary Clinton supposedly wins more support from women.

Fifty-seven percent of voters of all political stripes also told the pollsters that they want Sanders to stay in the race, while 28 percent think he should drop out. A whopping 64 percent of respondents under 25 believe Sanders should keep running, in keeping with Sanders' popularity with young people.

Read more: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/06/01/vast-majority-democrats-want-sanders-stay-race-poll

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Vast Majority of Democrats Want Sanders to Stay in Race: Poll (Original Post) Baobab Jun 2016 OP
I support Hillary and support Sanders staying in UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #1
Just a small question padfun Jun 2016 #26
pledged delegates mercuryblues Jun 2016 #32
Hillary misspeak passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #53
LOL mercuryblues Jun 2016 #63
Just a small answer UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #59
No that is not correct padfun Jun 2016 #60
OKAY UMTerp01 Jun 2016 #61
What is Morning Consult? It's a former healthcare industry newsletter run by a guy who is a faculty Brickbat Jun 2016 #2
Are we really that stupid? Of course he should stay in the race until the last primary underthematrix Jun 2016 #3
You have no proof of that. OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #28
The support will instantly dry up on June 14th. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #4
I can understand that happening to Hillary on the 14th. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #13
It will not. OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #29
Funny, nobody polled me. dhol82 Jun 2016 #5
There comes a point when it really is over MFM008 Jun 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Jun 2016 #7
Good. 840high Jun 2016 #14
Checking in and slightly over 60 :) nt slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #17
Checking in and in my 70's. nt Duval Jun 2016 #20
good point eom Arazi Jun 2016 #37
Run Bernie Run. jalan48 Jun 2016 #8
What is sad is that many Clinton-Sachs supporters wanted her to be anointed. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #9
Looks like Bernie ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #19
They are authoritarians. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #25
Dude, it's getting old Cary Jun 2016 #34
Where do you come up with this stuff? George II Jun 2016 #35
Although you probably won't admit it, there are two sides to the Democratic Party. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #45
Name calling Clinton like Trump? Democat Jun 2016 #40
Why would you support Trump? Why do you support the Big Money that rhett o rick Jun 2016 #42
You mean Ms. Golden Sacks? I don't think trump used that one. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #51
Her Majesty? Democat Jun 2016 #62
I don't hate Democrats. I don't like Third Way Democrats. I believe Hillary is corrupt. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #64
All the way into the Convention Bernie! Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #10
I agree passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #54
Hi, back at Ya' Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #57
Of course, it's good for the Party and the country and those who call for it to end have only their Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #11
they want jobs Baobab Jun 2016 #36
What prominent politicians? joshcryer Jun 2016 #12
Stay in Bernie. Stay in! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #15
Once again, the DNC is completely out of touch with their own constituents. n/t BlueStater Jun 2016 #16
Remember Hillary Invoking RFK Assassination in 2008? billhicks76 Jun 2016 #22
Current Hillary supporters turn a blind eye to that sordid part of her unsuccessful campaign in '08. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #24
Here's a little reminder as well... puffy socks Jun 2016 #41
Pathetic Argument billhicks76 Jun 2016 #47
You've been a busy bee in the few weeks you've been here. Keep up the pace. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #48
so? puffy socks Jun 2016 #49
Your reply above made no sense whatsoever, so I was trying to think of something nice to say. FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #50
I keep forgetting about this. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #55
Two numbers stand out to me: 57% of ALL voters want him to stay in! Peace Patriot Jun 2016 #18
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Fuddnik Jun 2016 #23
Perhaps some cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #44
Very likely given the email and now foundation scandels /nt trudyco Jun 2016 #46
as some Clinton supporters like to put it, "Stick a fork in him--he's done!" passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #58
If the DNC is smart Wibly Jun 2016 #21
Piss off the Clintons, and one phone call dries up your money. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #31
The elitist members of the DNC nominating committee have flop sweat pouring down their backs. Major Hogwash Jun 2016 #27
God willing. OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #30
NEWS FLASH, What We Are Seeing is Nothing New. cynzke Jun 2016 #33
Despite all odds ...We're Still Here! laserhaas Jun 2016 #38
Go Bernie! All the way to the convention Arazi Jun 2016 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #43
OVER MFM008 Jun 2016 #52
I don't think so but... 40RatRod Jun 2016 #56
 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
1. I support Hillary and support Sanders staying in
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jun 2016

Of course he should stay in until the last primary is held. I don't see what the issue is here. I think its about simple fairness rather than anything. I wouldn't read into any gender or numbers though. Here I am a Hillary supporter saying he should stay in the race but I didn't support him and don't support SD's switching based on some months out general election forecasts. So please proceed Senator and carry on until the end.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
53. Hillary misspeak
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

Pledged voters are not encouraged to switch. Rather they are intended not to. Unpledged delegates, on the other hand, are free to do whatever they want.

mercuryblues

(14,637 posts)
63. LOL
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jun 2016

Jane Sanders:

"Well I think CNN and MSNBC should listen to the communications director of the DNC who said don't count those super delegates, until they actually vote. You don't count the pledged delegates until they actually vote."

By saying this, she is implying that because no votes have been cast, Bernie is tied with Clinton and PD may actually switch.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
59. Just a small answer
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jun 2016

Because they've already "committed" to her. The vote at the convention is a formality.

padfun

(1,807 posts)
60. No that is not correct
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

They were "polled" and even before Bernie was in. You cant count them no more than you can count polls for your totals.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
2. What is Morning Consult? It's a former healthcare industry newsletter run by a guy who is a faculty
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jun 2016

member at the Carlson School of Business and describes himself as a consultant to Republican governors. Interesting!

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
3. Are we really that stupid? Of course he should stay in the race until the last primary
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jun 2016

has ended even though he will NOT be the nominee.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
13. I can understand that happening to Hillary on the 14th.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jun 2016

I hope she won't be a sore loser. On the positive side, she will have plenty of time to take some much needed computer classes.

Response to Baobab (Original post)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. What is sad is that many Clinton-Sachs supporters wanted her to be anointed.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jun 2016

They don't believe in an honest primary. They don't really like democracy because it's so messy. They want the chosen one (chosen by the Corporate-Oligarchy, their "mommy&quot to be anointed like a queen. For some reason they want a Clinton-Sachs Aristocracy. But the millions that have come out to support Sen Sanders want freedom and liberty and a decent distribution of wealth. All those things the Clinton-Sachs supporters hate.

NanceGreggs

(27,835 posts)
19. Looks like Bernie ...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jun 2016

... is the one wanting to be "anointed" by the SDs. And there's a coronation that isn't going to happen.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
34. Dude, it's getting old
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jun 2016

I'm not sad. Sorry. I'm looking forward and have lots and lots of positives.

Laugh and the whole world laughs with you.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. Although you probably won't admit it, there are two sides to the Democratic Party.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

It's obvious from the battles we've seen in the various states and as it plays out here in DU.

The Social Democrats that believe in helping the People and the Corporate Democrats that believe in helping big corporations make bigger profits. Now some of the corporatists will swear up and down that even though they support corporate control of our government, they still want to help those among us struggling. Like giving Monsanto more power will help the small farmers or the consumers that don't want to consume GMO. Like helping the Banksters will prevent another bubble burst like the housing collapse. People lost their homes and savings and the corporate Democrats somehow rationalize that away that those that lost homes deserved it because....... oh I don't know, you probably know the rationalization better than I. We need to continue to increase the funding for the MIC corporations because war machines are more important than reducing poverty.

When confronted with these non-emphatic positions the Corporate Democrats will counter with "pragmatism", their excuse to ignore the suffering around us.

Of course the Corporate Democrats with their Clinton Aristocracy are funded by the big corporations, duh. And anyone that thinks the Corp-Democrats won't yield to them over helping the poor are sadly naive.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
40. Name calling Clinton like Trump?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

Do you plan to support him if Sanders isn't the Democratic nominee?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. Why would you support Trump? Why do you support the Big Money that
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

controls our Party? Do you plan on supporting Trump?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
51. You mean Ms. Golden Sacks? I don't think trump used that one.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

I'll support whoever I damn well like, but it won't be Her Majesty.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
62. Her Majesty?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jun 2016

You are helping Trump as much as any of his supporters on right wing websites.

Maybe you can't even tell that you've become a Trump enabler because you're so blinded by hatred of Democrats.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
64. I don't hate Democrats. I don't like Third Way Democrats. I believe Hillary is corrupt.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

That's not hate. It's just the position my understanding of the facts and her actions lead me to.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
10. All the way into the Convention Bernie!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jun 2016

It is healthy for the Dem Party to have both Hillary and Bernie all in.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. Of course, it's good for the Party and the country and those who call for it to end have only their
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jun 2016

own interests in mind they just want what they want and instant gratification takes too long for that crowd. It's unseemly.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
36. they want jobs
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

many people have been promised jobs with them. They are the ones making the most noise.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
22. Remember Hillary Invoking RFK Assassination in 2008?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:54 AM
Jun 2016

She stated she should campaign through and past the CA primary because RFK was shot during the '68 CA primary and you never know what could happen to Obama. That was a new low and almost threatening. I'm not surprised Obama refused her the VP spot after that BS.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,139 posts)
24. Current Hillary supporters turn a blind eye to that sordid part of her unsuccessful campaign in '08.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jun 2016

Thanks for reminding us.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
41. Here's a little reminder as well...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

Traditionally, candidates do not wait until the convention to “prove” how many superdelegates they have. In 2008, Hillary Clinton conceded to Barack Obama two-and-a-half months before the Democratic convention. (The convention started on August 25, Hillary conceded on June 7.)

This year, the Democratic convention starts on July 25. Two-and-a-half months before that date is May 7. That would give Sanders three-and-a-half weeks to catch up on Clinton’s delegate lead. Remember, Hillary’s 2008 delegate count was much closer to Obama’s than Sanders’ delegate count is to Hillary’s today.

http://americablog.com/2016/04/team-sanders-now-demanding-hillary-win-59-pledged-delegates.html

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
47. Pathetic Argument
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jun 2016

You would not have faired well in a logic class. It's not important the date of the convention. What's important is the dates of the primaries. Nice job not addressing Hillarys assassination comments. And she withdrew because she was made a deal to be Sec. Of State...a position where she could guarantee massive arms sales to Saudia Arabia and other pro-US dictatorships and influence starting more wars like in Libya that even most of the Defense Dept was against. She served her corporate partners well that is true.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
18. Two numbers stand out to me: 57% of ALL voters want him to stay in!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jun 2016

There is Sanders' strength, once again, against Trump. Sanders has wide-ranging popularity.

And only 33% of Democrats want him to drop out. Here's a comment on this at the Common Dreams site:

It hard for me to reconcile the numbers of Democrats in total who want Sanders to remain in the race , with the number of votes he has received in each of the primaries. That 33 percent that want him to drop out suggests to me that this a truer reflection of the total Clinton supporters --from the OP (my emphasis)
.

I was thinking the same thing.

A third number is telling: 64% of people under age 25 want Sanders in! Wow!

And all this is after months and months of the Corrupt Media, in newspapers, on TV and on radio, telling people it's over, or, as some Clinton supporters like to put it, "Stick a fork in him--he's done!"

It's not over for the people "of all political stripes." It's not over for young people. It's not over for Democrats. It's not over for Sanders supporters. It's not over for Sanders!

And you gotta wonder what people would have said if they'd been asked: Do you want Clinton to stay in the race? With her dismal trustworthy and favorability ratings, and her polls vs Trump getting worse (she's now losing to Trump!), I wonder if that number would be 33%, the same as the number of those who want Sanders to drop out--and a true reflection of her current popularity.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
58. as some Clinton supporters like to put it, "Stick a fork in him--he's done!"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jun 2016

That one really Berns me.

I know I should not admit that because now I have a target on my back. I've had quite a few trolls trying to engage me lately.

Wibly

(613 posts)
21. If the DNC is smart
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:44 AM
Jun 2016

They will encourage Sanders to stay in and use the convention fight as a spring board.
Near as I can tell though, they are more worried about the Clinton political machine, and don't want to offend it. There's an awful lot of money behind Hillary and Bill.
Seems the push to have Sanders out is short sighted and more than a little bit fear generated. The DNC is afraid a floor fight will harm their preferred candidate.
That is absolutely the wrong way for the DNC to be thinking right now. The DNC should be thinking about making their convention, and nomination, the most open democratic and inclusive event in American politics. They should not be worried about who comes out the winner. They should be pre-occupied insuring that every American has a say, inside their party and out.
Primarily, their goal should be to present the people with a clear alternative to the obvious Fascist the Republicans have chosen.
Right now it seems they are fully prepared to fight the coming election on a "at least she's not Donald or some crazy Socialist" meme, when they should be fighting it on a "we represent you and the core values of American Society" platform.
If the Democrats lose the coming election, it will not be because Bernie Sanders stayed in too long, or did not stay in long enough. It will be because the DNC put money and power ahead of serving the country and the ideals of democracy, and did not listen to what the Majority of Americans are telling them.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. Piss off the Clintons, and one phone call dries up your money.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jun 2016

If you are downticket, you either endorse them, or shut up. God forbid you endorse another candidate.

You will be dealt with later if you are on the wrong side of the convention, they don't forget who pissed them off and your state/district will suffer accordingly.


That's politics, folks, all the rest of that "We'll do what's best for the country!" after getting nominated is just so much bullshit.

The punishment for those downticket with enough hutzpah to challenge their personal agenda of accumulating wealth and power at the expense of the nation gets meted out later.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
27. The elitist members of the DNC nominating committee have flop sweat pouring down their backs.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jun 2016

About the FBI investigation in to Hillary's time as Secretary of State.

Of course Bernie is going to stay in the race.
Bernie is going to the convention.

Bernie is going to be our nominee.
Bernie Sanders is going to be the next President of the United States.



cynzke

(1,254 posts)
33. NEWS FLASH, What We Are Seeing is Nothing New.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jun 2016

Why are we all getting upset over this election cycle. We only have to look back to 1980 to see how contentious it was between Obama and Hillary going into the Democratic Convention. Nothing is concrete until the convention. Hillary was leading in national polls, but Obama won the nomination. We shouldn't assume anything until its over. Conventions are not merely a big party, balloons and confetti. It can be a knock out, dragged out battle. Sanders hits a chord with many potential voters on important issues. Those issues and concerns remain, even if Sanders loses the nomination. It is important not to ignore the message just because you don't like the messenger. We will survive this jumble. It will sort its self out soon enough and we will all come together and focus on November. Be patient.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

Response to Baobab (Original post)

MFM008

(19,890 posts)
52. OVER
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jun 2016

One day it gets over.
First it was here
Then it was there
Then it was New York
Now its California
He keeps falling behind in delegates.

Sanders will still be preaching to the Pigeons
from street corners in 2018.


40RatRod

(542 posts)
56. I don't think so but...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jun 2016

....even since I have never been sure he is a dem based on some of his past comments, he has every right to continue. IMHO, he will only be further splitting the party, which could give us the Donald. Doubtful at this point he can bring his supporters, or even want to, to vote for Clinton.

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