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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:53 AM Jun 2016

40 people killed by Al-Nusra shelling in Aleppo Russian military

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Source: RT America

The terrorist group Al Nusra Front has killed over 40 people in massive artillery shelling of the Syrian city of Aleppo, the Russian military reported.


The Al-Qaeda branch used rocket artillery, mortars and anti-aircraft cannons to attack several neighborhoods of the war-torn city, the Russian military mission in Syria reported on Saturday.

The attack devastated a police station and seriously damaged several residential buildings, the report said. Over 40 civilians, security officers and military troops were killed by the shelling while some 100 were injured.


Read more: https://www.rt.com/news/345415-nusra-front-syria-aleppo/

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40 people killed by Al-Nusra shelling in Aleppo Russian military (Original Post) floppyboo Jun 2016 OP
Propaganda report from Assad-apologist Russia Today website oberliner Jun 2016 #1
That's right. We shall only trust sources like "Times of israel" for our propaganda... Purveyor Jun 2016 #3
That's a propaganda source as well oberliner Jun 2016 #7
Reporting events is not propaganda. And that will stop when the terrorist acts stop. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #25
It is if you lie oberliner Jun 2016 #27
Or propaganda organs like "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" newthinking Jun 2016 #13
Yes indeed oberliner Jun 2016 #15
Glad you are on top of it. The people of Allepo thank you and will carry on with their daily lives. floppyboo Jun 2016 #4
Al Jazeera says they were killed by a Syrian government airstrike oberliner Jun 2016 #8
Thanks! floppyboo Jun 2016 #11
No problem oberliner Jun 2016 #12
"Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", a propaganda organ that has been discredited newthinking Jun 2016 #14
Yes, they are dubious as well oberliner Jun 2016 #16
Could be entirely different incident. David__77 Jun 2016 #19
That twitter feed ascribes blame to "Western backed rebels" for every attack oberliner Jun 2016 #22
I understand. David__77 Jun 2016 #23
It's kind of sad when we distrust our own domestic media so much we have to turn to foreign run Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #6
Russia Today is a propaganda site oberliner Jun 2016 #10
There is going to be nothing left of Syria when this is over. Marrah_G Jun 2016 #2
I can think of worse results. nt 7962 Jun 2016 #5
"Watching bd guys..." < "CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels" Not just watching. jtuck004 Jun 2016 #24
"Light weapons." Igel Jun 2016 #30
Al Jazeera says they were killed by a Syrian government airstrike oberliner Jun 2016 #9
"Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" is convenient to producing war narratives newthinking Jun 2016 #17
Great points oberliner Jun 2016 #18
I don't view any group uncritically. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #26
If you're interested in hearing many competing narratives... David__77 Jun 2016 #20
Thanks! newthinking Jun 2016 #21
thanks from here too! floppyboo Jun 2016 #29
Here's a secret to some: Oneironaut Jun 2016 #28
LOCKING THREAD LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #31
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Propaganda report from Assad-apologist Russia Today website
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jun 2016

It's funny how people here have no trouble seeing through US propaganda outlets, but seem to buy into the Russian propaganda outlets.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
3. That's right. We shall only trust sources like "Times of israel" for our propaganda...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jun 2016
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. That's a propaganda source as well
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jun 2016

Very much pro-Israeli government version of events.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
25. Reporting events is not propaganda. And that will stop when the terrorist acts stop.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jun 2016

I'm surprised at no outrage over a terrorist attack only that people on this board resent postings of the act.

If there were less terrorist actions, we would have less events posted.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. It is if you lie
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jun 2016

And claim the attack was conducted by rebels when it was actually conducted by government forces.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
13. Or propaganda organs like "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights"
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jun 2016
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Yes indeed
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

Every side has their own angle, that's for sure.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
4. Glad you are on top of it. The people of Allepo thank you and will carry on with their daily lives.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jun 2016

btw - where is your counter-link? Perhaps you forgot to include it? I'm open to all sides of interpretation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Al Jazeera says they were killed by a Syrian government airstrike
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016
Syrian government air strikes have killed dozens of civilians in and around the northern city of Aleppo, volunteer rescuers have said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/syria-civil-war-aleppo-air-strikes-160603134119595.html

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
11. Thanks!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

The part about the story - from which ever source that I found distressing, was that the Syrian army and rebel groups whose common goal is getting rid of ISIS, are running away again. Who killed who is sadly becoming background noise - a tragic cost of a civil war that has gotten so out of hand.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. No problem
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

The situation is certainly a tragedy with, sadly, no end in sight.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
14. "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", a propaganda organ that has been discredited
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

all the unsubstantiated crap comes not from reporters or real human rights orgs, but from a guy who makes claims from his apartment.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Yes, they are dubious as well
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

Certainly if you can recognize that, you can also be similarly skeptical of reports from the Russian military sources cited in the OP.

David__77

(23,050 posts)
19. Could be entirely different incident.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

Anti-government forces could have targeted the government-held Midan neighborhood: https://twitter.com/edwardedark/status/739039182111289344

And the government or pro-government forces could have targeted neighborhoods held by the anti-government forces.

Also, in recent days, this report stated that YPG claims anti-government forces were attacking a YPG-held neighborhood in Aleppo.

I believe that there's plenty of video documentation of the aftermath of attacks against government-held neighborhoods of Aleppo by anti-government forces. I also think it's true that the Russian media outlets distribute disinformation.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. That twitter feed ascribes blame to "Western backed rebels" for every attack
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

According to that twitter feed, none of the attacks on Aleppo have been by Syrian government forces, as the Al Jazeera article indicates.

David__77

(23,050 posts)
23. I understand.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

I don't necessarily accept information from any single source. I think I generally understand the editorial standpoint of the different distributors of information on the conflict. I do think, based on the video and other reports I've seen, that the anti-government forces have targeted government-held neighborhoods. I also think that the government has targeted neighborhoods held by anti-government forces. The various parties generally focus on those things that validate their existing narrative.

I recommend this site as a source of data on the conflict: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
6. It's kind of sad when we distrust our own domestic media so much we have to turn to foreign run
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jun 2016

sources just for access to certain info and to get a balanced view.

If this happened, if they are reporting the truth, what's the problem with it really other. Sure the source is biased but all sources are biased in different ways.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Russia Today is a propaganda site
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jun 2016

They protect the Russian version of events, along with their ally Assad.

Every attack is blamed on "rebels" - even (and especially) when other media sources ascribe responsibility to the Syrian government forces, as is the case here.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
2. There is going to be nothing left of Syria when this is over.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

Watching bad guys fighting bad guys, destroying a country while the citizens are all running for their lives.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
5. I can think of worse results. nt
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
24. "Watching bd guys..." < "CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels" Not just watching.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jun 2016

The CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria, ending months of delay in lethal aid that had been promised by the Obama administration, according to U.S. officials and Syrian figures. The shipments began streaming into the country over the past two weeks, along with separate deliveries by the State Department of vehicles and other gear — a flow of material that marks a major escalation of the U.S. role in Syria’s civil war.

The arms shipments, which are limited to light weapons and other munitions that can be tracked, began arriving in Syria at a moment of heightened tensions over threats by President Obama to order missile strikes to punish the regime of Bashar al-Assad for his alleged use of chemical weapons in a deadly attack near Damascus last month.

The arms are being delivered as the United States is also shipping new types of nonlethal gear to rebels. That aid includes vehicles, sophisticated communications equipment and advanced combat medical kits.
...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

As well as: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22906965 - We and others are arming everyone.

Bad guys...and gals.

Igel

(35,092 posts)
30. "Light weapons."
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

Versus "artillery."

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
9. Al Jazeera says they were killed by a Syrian government airstrike
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

Not by Al Nursra.

Syrian government air strikes have killed dozens of civilians in and around the northern city of Aleppo, volunteer rescuers have said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/syria-civil-war-aleppo-air-strikes-160603134119595.html


Of course, Russia Today doesn't like to report news that implicates the Assad folks.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
17. "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" is convenient to producing war narratives
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

there is no incident that they don't claim to be a syrian gov. or Russian atrocity.

If you want to really learn what is going in in *any* military / war action you are going to have to sift through war narratives and propaganda.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. Great points
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

Neither the Russian military sources quoted in the OP, not the group you identify here should be viewed uncritically.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
26. I don't view any group uncritically.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

David__77

(23,050 posts)
20. If you're interested in hearing many competing narratives...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

I think this is a good source: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar

There are individuals posting there who have various viewpoints on the conflict. There is a group of posters who spend considerable effort in sifting through the available information.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
21. Thanks!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jun 2016

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
29. thanks from here too!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jun 2016

Oneironaut

(5,400 posts)
28. Here's a secret to some:
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

Sometimes there is no "good guy" in war, despite the human mind's desperate attempt to pick a side. Sometimes something is just a gigantic clusterfuck, and all sides bring their version of chaos, despair, and destruction to the table.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The U.S., Russia, and ISIS all believe themselves to be the "good guys." Ask a mother whose child was just obliterated into a fine red pulp if she thinks the man who fired the shell was one of the "good guys." It's irrelevant which side fired the shell - the result is the same.

LostOne4Ever

(9,233 posts)
31. LOCKING THREAD
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jun 2016

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