MoveOn says Clinton should be nominee

[Cali_Democrat]

Source: The Hill

MoveOn Political Action, which backed Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential race, is conceding defeat to Hillary Clinton.

Following Clinton’s huge wins in California and three other states on Tuesday, the liberal group said she should be the party’s nominee because she will finish the contest with the most pledged delegates.

“MoveOn members believe, as we have long advocated, that the nomination should go to the winner of the majority of pledged delegates, and that undemocratic superdelegates should not overturn the will of the voters,” said MoveOn Political Action executive director Ilya Sheyman.

In a statement Wednesday, the group praised Sanders for having “revolutionized politics as we know it” and drawing millions of voters into politics but said the presumptive Democratic nominee should be the one with a majority of pledged delegates.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282697-moveon-says-clinton-should-be-nominee

[MADem]

1. This is probably the biggest blow of all to him.

Maybe he will listen when MOVEON tells him to move on....?

[JohnnyRingo]

17. There's an eye for irony.

Well played.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

26. Actually Moveon elites decided to say this after 70 percent on the site voted to endorse him

Kinda like How Bernie wins Union endorsements when workers vote and how Hillary wins them when Union Leaders decide.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/22/bernie-sanders-gets-group-endorsements-when-members-decide-hillary-clinton-when-leaders-decide/

[SunSeeker]

27. Oh so now MoveOn's leadership is the elite Establishment?

[DemMomma4Sanders]

29. If they make a statement contradictory to their members ideals w/o taking a vote,

absolutely.

And thats what they did.

[SunSeeker]

30. So refusing to accept math is a member ideal?

[DemMomma4Sanders]

32. 70% of their membership voted to endorse sanders.

The only ones who haven't accepted the math are the site owners who decided their members, their lifeblood, votes didn't matter.

Besides who is really not grasping the math?

The DNC thats who. Bernie wins in states with open primaries. If you add the increased percentage of turnout and independant or undecided voters from those open primary states to the closed primary states Bernie Sanders wins by a landslide.

Closed primaries gave Hillary the win though she is not the popular candidate.

Will Hillary pick up that demographic? Unlikely as they are anti-war, anti-wallstreet and they don't take too kindly to her using her foundation to accept foreign money while she was granting those "royals" weapons contracts.

[SunSeeker]

43. You do realize endorsing Sanders and believing in math are not mutually exclusive, right?

Hillary got over 3 million more votes than Sanders. She won in open primaries. She has won in closed primaries. Her pledged delegate lead over Sanders is larger than Obama's ever was and is insurmountable. She won. Refusing to acknowledge that only helps Trump, and is counterproductive to instituting the progressive ideals of MoveOn.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

46. The math shows Sanders has a clear majority where primaries were open to independants and greens

The Math shows Hillary can't win the General without them.

She has already pivoted right to grab some disillusioned republican votes from Trump.

She can't win! The DNC decided they cared less about beating trump than putting Hillary in the spotlight.

If that doesn't pay off and the MATH shows it won't, this country is in for some tough years ahead.

[SunSeeker]

56. This was the Dem primary, not the Green primary. The Greens have a closed primary.

Hillary got more votes that Sanders or Trump. She can and will win. Your ridiculous assertion that Hillary can't win serves only to hurt Dems and help Trump. It is self-destructive sour grapes.

Independents and Greens will vote for Hillary in the GE, enough to beat Trump. The latest poll has her 10 points ahead of Trump. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YT2QS

[DemMomma4Sanders]

57. Thats an online survey, and doesn't even mention the fact that reuters faithfull readers

tend to lead left, which skew the results significantly.

Guardian did tons of polls, to put things into context, trump won more polls than Hillary, while Bernie enjoyed something neither Hillary or Trump did.

He polled more trustworthy. Bernie also beat Trump in most of those polls.

So what we have here is wall street, pulling Media strings in the US, telling us who our candidate was from day one.

btw.....Greens have openly supported democrats in the past, as they have Bernie this cycle. In many areas there isn't even a green candidate so they vote democrat.

[SunSeeker]

58. Reuters "tend to lead left"?

[DemMomma4Sanders]

59. Reuters faithful readers lean left.....as does the paper.

Conservatives generally dont like media outlets that report on human rights abuses or islam in a neutral light. Reuters does just that.

[SunSeeker]

60. Virtually all the polls show Clinton's lead widening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7891195

[MADem]

68. What does "lead left" even mean? REUTERS is an International Agency w/a FRENCH focus, fwiw....

Bernie's own STAFF is turning on him, now.

No one is pulling their strings, either. The books they all write will reveal a lot, I suspect.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

69. By left I generally mean neutral, like NPR.

By left I mean its a paper that conservatives wont touch because beck and limbaugh have railed against it being too much of a soros mirror.

It doesn't enjoy a large conservative base, and reuters does global reporting....It isn't remotely franco centered outside of France, just as it isn't US focused in Spain.

[MADem]

70. Well, poor old NPR has been leaning right ever since GW BUSH seeded the management with

lunatics--they have a few "liberal sounding" workers on a few shows, with their soft voices doing a "Schwetti Balls" routine a la Alec Baldwin and friends on SNL, but the truth of the matter is NPR ain't all that anymore. They will "shade," particularly when it comes to "Business News."

I've always found Reuters to be straight up the middle--neither right nor left, just the facts. It's why I subscribe to their national and international feeds.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

71. NPR has always been pro-business......Just like the democrats who voted for the bailout

And Hillary who bragged in her speaches....."

Rewind to 2008, when then-New York Sen. Hillary Clinton argued that one of the reasons she voted in favor of the so-called Wall Street bailout was because “the banks of New York” and “other financial institutions” were some of the biggest winners in the deal.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-cited-ny-banks-biggest-winners-wall/story?id=37629893

The American political establishment in general, whether they be uber liberal or far right, are generally pro-business to a degree that harms workers.

If our sole way of designating someone a republican or democrat was dependant on their support for business ideals over workers interests........there might be one or two democrats left.

Otherwise NPR's reporting is liberal...taking a neutral, sometimes devils advocate stance on middeast issues, human rights abuses etc.

Which is why the dinosaur party keeps trying to defund them.

[MADem]

72. No, that shift happened very clearly during the Bush years when they removed a lot of

decent programming for Wall Street crap and their Nightly Business Report.

The lean is still being felt down the years.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

73. oh i don't doubt it

Quit frankly I switched to democracy now, fstv, rt(read w skepticism) ,CCTV, and al jazeera during the Bush years and away from US media because it was chock full or pro war propaganda.

I still wouldn't say that NPR has become a right wing mouthpiece.

[Politicub]

75. Reuters isn't a paper. It's a wire service.

Big difference.

Since you don't even know the medium, we're expected to believe what you say about it?

That makes perfect sense.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

77. Reuters is an international news agency, calling it a paper just shows my age.

How bout the fact that reuters doesn't even claim the poll is scientific.

When you've got a reply to that......have at it.

Oerwise leave the debate to civilized peeps who are sticking to the content of the post

[boston bean]

74. To bad this was the DEMOCRATIC Party Nomination, huh?

[azurnoir]

61. No but their funding comes from that

guess they didn't want to bite the hand that's feeds so to speak

MoveOn is funded in large part by George Soros who supports Hillary Hillary Clinton - simple survival really

[msanthrope]

31. Now Move on is Establishment? I'm laughing my ass off...nt

[DemMomma4Sanders]

33. The site owners are being elitist when they decide to endorse Hillary

after 70% of members voted to endorse Sanders.

Gues who else endorsed Sanders! Anonymous

[msanthrope]

34. Okay.....this might be funny if it weren't so sad. nt

[DemMomma4Sanders]

35. It's neither funny or sad, it's enraging

as enraging as closed primaries and the brooklyn voter purge.

This whole process has been conteolled by elites from the get go.

Whether it was the media who wanted a wallstreet friendly candidate and gave biased reporting on the merits of Bernie vs Hillary, Or the tiny number of debates that Hillary would agree to......or the DNC basically acting as Hillaries private corporation.

Democracy my butt!

[msanthrope]

36. Imagine....Democrats supporting Democrats. See you at the meetings, with the Party elite. nt

[DemMomma4Sanders]

39. Bernie has voted more along those lines than Hillary, Iraq and all ya know

Meanwhile Ive never heard anyone demand her to start a Republican lite party? Hypocrisy much?

[msanthrope]

40. Okay...see you at the meetings. nt

[OilemFirchen]

47. An Anonymous endorsement?

Say... wasn't your crew all pissed off a few days ago when word leaked that Clinton had a bunch of those? Something about secrecy? Or transparency? Or unmitigated gall? Perhaps mitigated gall?

[DemMomma4Sanders]

49. Generally when they get pissed theres a leak.....so was there a leak?

One coming at an innoportune time?

[OilemFirchen]

50. Okay.

Have a good day!

[MADem]

67. LOL!

Ah, yes, those "establishment elites!"

So different from the "Berners!"

Which is true, in that those "establishment" types tend to vote in far greater numbers than the Berners....as the poll results show us.

Can't believe you're arguing in favor of super delegates OVERTURNING a popular vote!

Such "democratic" values!

[MrMickeysMom]

78. True...

Organization Who They Endorsed Their Endorsement Process
American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) Hillary Clinton Executive council vote following polling of membership
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Laborers’ International Union of North America (LIUNA) Hillary Clinton Executive board vote informed by membership poll
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American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) Hillary Clinton Executive board vote after collecting member feedback
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American Federation of Teachers (AFT) Hillary Clinton Executive council vote after non-binding survey of membership in summer 2015
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Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence Hillary Clinton Did not respond to requests about how decision was made
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Human Rights Campaign Hillary Clinton Board of directors vote
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International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) Hillary Clinton Executive board vote
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League of Conservation Voters Hillary Clinton Board of directors vote based on recommendation from political committee
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NARAL Pro-Choice America Hillary Clinton PAC committee, staff, and president decision
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National Education Association (NEA) Hillary Clinton Executive board and PAC council vote
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Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Hillary Clinton Executive board vote
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United Food and Commercial Workers International (UFCW) Hillary Clinton Executive board and president’s collective decision after focus groups and polling with members
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American Postal Workers Union Bernie Sanders Executive board vote
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Communications Workers of America (CWA) Bernie Sanders Three-month process involving meetings, discussion, culminating in an online vote
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Democracy for America Bernie Sanders Open online vote
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MoveOn Bernie Sanders Open online vote
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National Nurses United Bernie Sanders Executive council vote after internal poll showed overwhelming support for Sanders
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Working Families Party Bernie Sanders Open online vote followed by national advisory board action
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[larkrake]

54. its not a blow at all, but he is responsible to his followers, not media honking

[SusanLarson]

2. It's their choice they get to live with the repercussions

Move on ensured that it will no longer receive support from me or any other Bernie Supporter.

[Action_Patrol]

6. Reality hurts

You think move on wasn't devoted to Senator Sanders?
They would still be with him if there was a chance. There isn't.

It's join or die.

I'm not choosing death.

[Nitram]

9. Susan, many Bernie supporters are willing to deal with the reality that the majority of

primary voters voted for Clinton. They won't take out their disappointment on Rachel Maddow, or MoveOn or anybody else who is willing to move on and support the presumptive Democratic nominee.

[TwilightZone]

14. So, you speak for all Bernie supporters?

Seems a tad presumptuous, don't you think?

[pnwmom]

19. Why? Because it remained consistent on its insistence that the winner should be

the person with the majority of pledged delegates, as Bernie once believed -- before he flip-flopped?

[Boomer]

22. Sometimes you just lose

I would have loved for Bernie Sanders to win the nomination, but he didn't.

The nomination wasn't stolen from him, he just didn't get enough of the vote. He did get far more than anyone ever anticipated when his campaign began, and for that I was always be proud.

[OilemFirchen]

52. I fail to see the downside of this. (n/t)

[Tarheel_Dem]

62. Nate Silver: "Hillary Clinton Will Be Nominated Because More Democrats Are Voting For Her"

"It’s an emblematically annoying ending to the Democratic campaign, one that reflects both the acrimony between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and the fact that Clinton, in the end, is winning her party’s nomination by every available measure."

"In a statement released after the AP’s call, the Sanders campaign argued that the media is wrong to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee by including superdelegates, correctly pointing out that superdelegates can change their vote up until the convention, as several dozen superdelegates did in flipping from Clinton to Barack Obama in 2008. FiveThirtyEight’s pledged delegate count, which does not include superdelegates, has Clinton with 1,8111 pledged delegates to 1,526 for Sanders. The Sanders campaign said its “job from now until the convention is to convince superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.”"

"But Sanders’s statement — and the AP’s call — distract from the larger point. Clinton will be the Democratic nominee because substantially more Democrats have voted for her. In addition to her elected delegate majority, she’s received approximately 13.5 million votes so far in primaries and caucuses, compared with 10.5 million for Sanders."

"There also isn’t much sign of forward momentum for Sanders, after a strong run of contests in late March and early April. Over the past seven weeks, from the New York primary on April 19 through Puerto Rico on Sunday, Clinton has won 505 pledged delegates compared with 428 for Sanders. Her current lead in our national polling average, 14.4 percentage points, is the widest it has been since mid-February."

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/

The mere fact that you refuse to accept reality, doesn't change it.

[dynamo99]

64. Reality

Reality is that Bernie didn't make the cut. I'm very sad about that, because I'm not enthusiastic about Hillary, but that's the fact. She's very good at machine politics, and she's in effect been running for a lot longer than Bernie was. Maybe if he'd gotten a start a year earlier, and not had to concede the entire South to Hillary. But that's not what happened.

We'll survive Hillary (well, those of us who aren't the target of military attacks and/or renditions). We wouldn't survive Trump.

Bernie could have beaten Trump (maybe the only Repub candidate he'd have had a serious advantage over). But Hillary probably can, too. There's still hope for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party some day. Maybe when Elizabeth Warren has a shot. If she chooses to go that route, she'll start earlier, and she won't have the potential baggage that Bernie had, and the older generation will have thinned out. I'm hoping that in my lifetime, I'll yet see a progressive in the White House. I don't want to wait another 8 years, I'll be getting pretty old by then, but that's life.

So now the time to fight Hillary is AFTER she gets elected. Let's elect enough progressive senators and congresscritters so that we can win some of those battles.

[scscholar]

3. Do they rule us?

Did I miss something? Why do they feel that they have the right to order us to do that?

[Nitram]

10. Who ordered you to do something?

Aren't you over-reacting to a decision by MoveOn to acknowledge that Clinton is the presumptive Democratic nominee?

[snooper2]

15. They have your account number- You better Step in Line and not Move On

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. MoveOn moved on, as they should.

Time to beat Trump.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

41. Move on elitist owners did, meanwhile members voted 70% to endorse Sanders

[Agnosticsherbet]

42. I think they agree with Sanders that Trump must be

Stopped.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

45. Then primaries should have been open

closed primaries handed Hillary a victory by preventing millions of liberal independents/greens from casting their vote.

Now the party has a candidate who lacks the support of demographics needed to win the General.

If she pivots right, which she already has in hopes of grabbing some republican votes she will completely loose any chance of grabbing Bernies more liberal supporters.

I don't repeat this stuff because I want Hillary to loose, god forbid a Trump win...Its just the honest truth, the facts are all there.

[Agnosticsherbet]

48. Clinton actually won 13 open primaries to Sanders 10 and 4 of the mixed primaries to Sanders 3

So Open vs closed primaries were not the issue.

The issue is the terrible things that Trump promises to do if he gets the White Hosue and sits at the top of a government controlled completely by Republicans.

MoveOn, recognizes that an unrepentant racist like Trump will trample human rights and liberal programs under this expensive shoes.

I think most Americans will recognize how dangerous he is.

I hope you will help.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

51. Clinton won open primaries after turnout dropped, and not by large percentages.

Which further proves my point. Bernie won when his supporters had some hope. He won by large margins. The Media actually called him too old repeatedly in the hopes of switching Bernie votes to Hillary.

That didn't happen, turnout dropped.

Hopelessness and a Media empire that is against you from day one tends to do that.

[upaloopa]

5. Too late to get anymore support from me and I was one of the very early members.

It took about 5 or 6 unsubscribes before they stopped sending me Bernie shit.

[Nitram]

7. Oh no! so Move On! is just another Clinton shill! Bummer!

[forest444]

8. It would make perfect sense under ordinary circumstances.

But they forget Hillary still has to win the FBI primary.

[cstanleytech]

12. Thats assuming shes even in the running.

The FBI hasnt announced whos the real focus for the investigation so it could be Hillary or since the FBI did grant immunity to the staffer who setup her email yet they have not indicted Hillary for anything it could also be someone else who was given access to her email or given copies of them.
I mean imagine the kind of money you could make if you had details over trade deals in advance or potential troop deployments not to mention details over proposed budget spending before it makes the news.

[Hoyt]

65. That's exactly what I think Iis going on, although you described it better.

The staffers did something wrong.

[cstanleytech]

66. Yup it's possible but it's also possible no one did anything major for

example the staffer might have simply lied about something on some paperwork somewhere about say their qualifications or about a security measure they claimed to have implemented but didn't do and they simply stalled to get immunity for that reason.
Of course there are some here who automatically are assuming the worst case scenario for Clinton not based on facts but on wishful thinking.

[George II]

11. Are you listening, Bernie?

[sangfroid]

20. I am sure he is.

Which is why he appears to be going all the way to Philly. Apparently nothing gets Bernie's blood boiling faster than accusing him of being an outlier with no more purpose than pushing the Presumptive One further to the Left.

[onehandle]

13. Clearly Wall Street paid them off...

...heh.

[phazed0]

38. It's clear they paid Hillary.

[jalan48]

16. A big thank you to Bernie for reminding Americans what the Democratic can be.

[LibDemAlways]

24. Used to be. n/t

[jalan48]

25. I think there are a lot of people who are unaware of past history.

Bernie has done alL of us a big service.

[Geronimoe]

18. Moveon is weak

Unless they agree with Hillary's policies, whatever they may be, they should stay in the fight and keep supporting Bernie until it is over. Bernie has 46% and perhaps more votes from the Democratic Party, he has at the minimum political capital to make positive change within the party.

[jiminvegas]

21. They did support him until it was over.

Because it IS over.

[FreeState]

23. 54 > 46 n/t

[wendylaroux]

28. under the bus! under the bus!

[phazed0]

37. MoveOn... to another lame-duck.

[SunSeeker]

44. Go ahead. Get it out of your system. June 16 is coming soon. nt

[phazed0]

53. So? This board isn't going to change history, nor my thoughts.

[Politicub]

79. What message do you have to share with us?

[phazed0]

80. Are you really responding to my message, asking what message I have?

Hmm.

[geek tragedy]

55. more like Moveon acknowledges that Clinton IS the nominee nt

[Herman4747]

63. Of course MoveOn backed Bernie. Bernie is liberal. Hillary is owned by Goldman Sachs

Hillary also consults Henry Kissinger for foreign policy advice, which alone should disqualify her.

[RazBerryBeret]

76. well that's a no brainer

MoveOn was created under bill clinton, because of bill clinton. I was a volunteer for a couple years in the beginning.