Pressure builds on Bernie Sanders to drop out of race
Source: BBC News
Hillary Clinton has been declared the presumptive Democratic nominee after winning four out of six primaries on Tuesday.
Mr Sanders has virtually no path to the nomination but has vowed to fight on. He meets President Obama on Thursday.
Mr Sanders has vowed to keep fighting for the Democratic nomination
Democrats have urged Mr Sanders to join Mrs Clinton as she tries to defeat Donald Trump.
The billionaire businessman, seen as an outsider early in the campaign, is the Republican's presumptive nominee.
The White House meeting on Thursday came at Mr Sander's request. He will hold a rally in Washington the same day ahead of the District of Columbia's primary on 14 June.
He has won 22 state primaries and caucuses but failed to make a significant dent in Mrs Clinton's delegate lead, despite mounting what has been seen as an impressive campaign, influencing the Democratic debate and engaging with thousands of young voters.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36485012
The international press is keeping close tabs on the US presidential election. Expect HRC to be invited for "talks" with Cameron in the UK (if he survives the Brexit referendum at the end of June), perhaps between the convention and early September.
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)after the republican convention. There is no reason for Bernie to end his campaign. Hillary is 199 delegate short of the nomination.
Bernie has support of 46% of the democratic party. He has earned the right to take this to the convention to make whatever changes he can to improve the party.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)his candidacy. Clinton and the DLC are not talking about these populist issues which most Americans when polled claim they want and what Bernie stands for. Bernie is helping all democrats by staying in the race to bring about real change in the party that the DLC took away. Consider this from Bill Moyers:...
"...Once the champions of people who came home from work with hands dirty from toil and sweat, too many establishment Democrats went over to the dark side, taking up the cause of the well-manicured executives (think: Goldman Sachs) who write the checks and the mercenaries who deliver them (for a substantial cut, of course).
The lust for loot which now defines the Democratic establishment became pronounced in the Bill Clinton years, when the Clinton-friendly Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) abandoned its liberal roots and embraced market-based solutions that led to deregulation, tax breaks, and subsidies for the 1 percent. Seeking to fill coffers emptied by the loss of support from a declining labor movement, Democrats rushed into the arms of big business and crony capitalists. ... " Bill Moyers
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)
from voting in primaries.
Hillary acting like they don't matter is insane. She can't win without the demographics Obama picked up, and Bernie has them..Hillaries base are over 40's who generally aren't too concerned about what their childrens lives are going to be like.
Endless bank subsidization vs Free college
More war VS more modern schools and internet
msongs
(67,193 posts)prevented from something
DemMomma4Sanders
(274 posts)Closed primaries are not.
Does today's closed primary violate the Pennsylvania constitution?
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2013/05/primary_election_independents_excluded_unconstitutional.html
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)First, Sanders has support of about 45% of those who voted in Democratic primaries, many of whom are not Democrats. Inasmuch as many independents and quite possibly republicans voted for him in primaries an caucuses, he has the support of less than 46% of the Democratic Party.
Second, Clinton has earned 55% of the pledged delegates. Why should Sanders be entitled to getting more superdelegates than her?
She is the winner, she is the nominee. No rewording, recalculation, reconfiguring of the delegates or their relative positions will change that fact.
It's over. The General Election campaign has begun.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)without them.
Stop lying. Yeah, like that's going to happen.
chillfactor
(7,566 posts)Skinner puts the new polices in place..no more garbage like this post will be allowed.....YEAH!
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)The convention is about much more than votes for a candidate. It's not a coronation. Campaigning for the GE does not begin officially until after the convention and 'presumptive' does not mean they are already and until then Bernie has more to say and more people who want to hear him say it. His populist issues stand will win the election because they are what a majority of the people claim they want according tot he polls. Yet seems these DLC types want to silence him. Look at the multi millionaires circle dance around their media, bank and wall street corporations. Clinton could Bernie would. He is not a millionaire and Clinton is a multi millionaire. That says so much about perspective.
George II
(67,782 posts)For anyone to still dwell on the mistaken idea that this was a "coronation" amazes me.
Clinton is making her first general election campaign appearance next week, and Trump started a few weeks ago.
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)murielm99
(30,656 posts)They like Trump, too.
BlueMTexpat
(15,349 posts)you would find that to be VERY true.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Just what WOULD constitute a "significant dent"??? The "fix" has been in since before this campaign got started - hell, she and DWS have bragged that it was.
I still wanna barf when I think about this cock-sure statement of a few days back....
msongs
(67,193 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)...in whatever conversation your statement was excerpted from!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)jalan48
(13,797 posts)He represents the future which is why young people have embraced him.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)His campaign will have been suspended before they get to Philly. Bank on it.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)Hopefully they have been paying attention to a primary where a man was able to start miles behind the leader and catch her in several states because of his ideas. It's our future as a party.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,283 posts)I think it's just one more thing to be laughed off, should the subject come up.
"Winning" is the only thing that matters. Delegates. Later, Electors.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Just so long as said platform is in concert with the wishes of the corporate sponsors. In fact, they won't have it any other way!
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)Free college, uncompromised health care, and a chance to move out of mom's basement with a $17 and hour job for unskilled labor. He promises to somehow release the cash from Wall Street and let it rain down upon the youthful masses and cancel credit card debt by bringing down Chase Manhattan and Bank of America.
If I were young I'd like to believe that utopian dream too.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)But the wealthy isn't going to part with their riches willingly and a president isn't going to pass legislation in one term... or probably even two that will force the Waltons to pay their share. Anyone who promises they will is lying.
Even if that happened what would be the end result? One would assume lower taxes for the 99%. As a retired auto worker I can attest that someone with an adjusted gross income of $30,000 leaves about $2,000 a year with the federal govt after typical deductions. (I just dug out last year's return to confirm that figure.)
That comes to about $166 a month I pay in that they keep. If the wealthy pay more I would hope to see a 50% cut, saving me a bit over $80 each month. What would I do with such a windfall of $20 week? I guess I could donate it to the politician who ends corporate funding of elections but I'd probably just renew my Sirius radio.
Thanx Bernie, could all be farting through silk if you were president.
Turin_C3PO
(13,649 posts)of those ideas ARE attainable in the future. Free Tuition, Single Payer, and 15$/hr minimum wage. Plus there's nothing wrong with a little more bank and wall Street regulation. BTW, the "move out of mom's basement" was unnecessary, IMO.
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)...but no one's going to do it. Certainly not in Sanders' lifetime anyway.
I can't argue against reregulation of the banking industry, but Bernie doesn't have a monopoly on that plan. I'm not sure what the payoff is for the working class though. Lower interest rates? I'm sure we won't get a check in the mail for breaking up a few big banks.
As for the moving out of mom's basement, I was using my adult grandchildren as reference. My oldest granddaughter works as a dental tech and lives with my ex-wife. Her 18 year old brother lives with his mom and doesn't really want to work, but if he got $15/hr he might try it a couple days a week. He has no plans to get a drivers license, a car, or his own place.
Neither vote regardless of how important it is to me, their parents, and grandma. My granddaughter says it's a waste of her time and a woman is too emotional to be president anyway. My grandson got motivated with last year's amendment to legalize weed here in Ohio. He registered to vote, but found something else to do when his buddies showed up that day. Are these the people Bernie was counting on this fall?
Trust me, I have enough disappointment in my own family without worrying about your lifestyle.
IronLionZion
(45,258 posts)I still plan to vote for Bernie next Tuesday and Hillary in November
It's good for liberals to have a voice to promote democratic socialist policies. He'll endorse Hillary for the general. Be grateful he's not going independent.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)It was only under those terms that he was allowed to run on the Dem Party ticket.
Glad you'll be able to vote next week, presumably in DC?
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)when he decided to try to win with superdelegates, I pretty much realized that he's not about fairness and rules.
In fact, like trump attacking Hillary for using a teleprompter one day , and then using one himself the next, Bernie has one set of rules for Hillary and another for himself.
Sad really. He could have been a great VP for her.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)race.
Have a vote on the first day of the convention, ignore him from now until then, and after the vote say so long.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He's the only force pulling her left of center.
Pin her positions as far left as possible now, destroy Trump later.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and the trump people use BERNIE's words to attack Hillary. Trump might as well be paying Bernie consulting fees.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Trump isn't going to attack Hillary for not being 'left enough'. That's nonsense.
What's he going to do, attack her for taking money from Goldman Sachs? Like he hasn't? Come on.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)Saviolo
(3,269 posts)I still hope Bernie stays in until the convention. Once again, it comes down to the media. The media is only covering things that are, by their own metric, interesting. That's why they've give millions of dollars worth of free advertising to Trump in the form of news cycles and column inches, because everyone out there is interested in the crazy antics that are coming from the orange fascist.
Right now, with Bernie still in the race, the media can point to the Democratic race as interesting because it's still being contested. Has Hillary pretty much clinched it? Sure. But that makes a less interesting headline than "Bernie remains in the race until the Convention!" The media wants to build an interesting narrative in order to push advertising sales and bring in viewers and readers, and it's far easier to build that narrative on conflict.
As soon as Bernie steps down from the contest (path or not), the Democratic side of the aisle will be officially boring to the media, and they'll go right back to covering the scandals and crazy talk spewing from the GOP candidate. Cue more millions worth of free advertising in the form of think pieces and news cycles dedicated to the latest crazy shit that Trump said.
Me, personally, I love a good boring election. That's how elections should be. Policies, ideas, nothing that fits into a catchphrase. But the media needs there to be conflict to sell the story. If, in the GE, Hillary is -way- ahead of Trump, the media will still build the narrative about the close race, because they need it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)he's already pretty much given up on trying to win the nomination, so it's really about bargaining about smaller gains at this point (e.g. platform)
liberalhistorian
(20,809 posts)The Queen and her subjects want the coronation NOW.