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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:29 PM Jun 2016

Pressure builds on Bernie Sanders to drop out of race

Source: BBC News

Hillary Clinton has been declared the presumptive Democratic nominee after winning four out of six primaries on Tuesday.

Mr Sanders has virtually no path to the nomination but has vowed to fight on. He meets President Obama on Thursday.



Mr Sanders has vowed to keep fighting for the Democratic nomination

Democrats have urged Mr Sanders to join Mrs Clinton as she tries to defeat Donald Trump.

The billionaire businessman, seen as an outsider early in the campaign, is the Republican's presumptive nominee.

The White House meeting on Thursday came at Mr Sander's request. He will hold a rally in Washington the same day ahead of the District of Columbia's primary on 14 June.

He has won 22 state primaries and caucuses but failed to make a significant dent in Mrs Clinton's delegate lead, despite mounting what has been seen as an impressive campaign, influencing the Democratic debate and engaging with thousands of young voters.







Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36485012



The international press is keeping close tabs on the US presidential election. Expect HRC to be invited for "talks" with Cameron in the UK (if he survives the Brexit referendum at the end of June), perhaps between the convention and early September.
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Pressure builds on Bernie Sanders to drop out of race (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 OP
K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #1
What pressure? From the Media?From the Clinton campaign. Certainly not from the 47% who support him bjobotts Jun 2016 #17
The general doesn't begin until Septmeber Geronimoe Jun 2016 #2
Good luck with that...he will "suspend' his campaign next week after the DC primary. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #3
You just don't get it.It's the issues Bernie wants to bring to the convention not bjobotts Jun 2016 #11
no you just don't get it. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #18
He has the demographics hillary needs, and who were unconstitutionally prevented DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #6
please post your proof for your assertions that wnd (whatever that is) were unconstitutionally msongs Jun 2016 #27
A general rule is that if ur taxes support something it has to be open to you. DemMomma4Sanders Jun 2016 #30
There is no constitutional right to vote in a primary. NobodyHere Jun 2016 #32
there's no constitutional right to vote....period! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #41
A couple of points: George II Jun 2016 #7
"She is the nominee." Prove it. The superdelegates haven't voted yet and she doesn't have enough GoneFishin Jun 2016 #10
I will be so happy when... chillfactor Jun 2016 #26
Keep in mind it takes more than 33% of the democratic party to win a presidenital election. bjobotts Jun 2016 #14
We just went through 55 for 56 primaries/caucuses where about 30 million people voted.... George II Jun 2016 #29
Except for possibly Russia, I suspect the rest of the world strongly prefers Hillary over Trump. LonePirate Jun 2016 #4
That's a fairly good bet, yeah. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #5
You forgot North Korea. murielm99 Jun 2016 #42
Include North Korea with Russia and BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #43
"failed to make a significant dent in Mrs Clinton's delegate lead" Plucketeer Jun 2016 #8
so when bernie says "I will be the nominee" is proof he rigged the outcome then right? msongs Jun 2016 #28
Heh - I guess you're right Plucketeer Jun 2016 #34
That WAS a mistake. It should have said "fell 700K votes even further behind." nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #37
The Democratic Convention needs Bernie and his ideas. jalan48 Jun 2016 #9
He and his platform representatives will certainly play a role at the convention. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #12
We will see how the establishment Democrats set up the Convention. jalan48 Jun 2016 #15
Platform? Does "platform" matter? JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #24
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrre platform matters! Plucketeer Jun 2016 #35
Young people embrace him because of what he promises them. JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #31
It's the future Johnny. The .1% needs to start sharing more. Greed doesn't work long term. jalan48 Jun 2016 #33
I agree. JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #45
3 out of 5 Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #44
Flying cars are attainable in the future... JohnnyRingo Jun 2016 #47
I haven't voted yet IronLionZion Jun 2016 #13
Assuming that he's a man of his word, an independent run is ruled out. He made that pledge. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #16
I don't put anything past Bernie. He could say anything to justify whatever he decides to do MariaThinks Jun 2016 #20
Bernie now has NO democratic path to the nomination. He's not in the race anymore than i'm in the MariaThinks Jun 2016 #19
I don't know why you're so excited to see him go. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #21
bernie spends a lot of time attacking OUR nominee. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #22
Oh bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #36
try listening to the news. get over your hatred for goldman sachs. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #38
I see you were able to provide adequate sources to back up your claim. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #40
K&R missingthebigdog Jun 2016 #23
I keep saying it: Saviolo Jun 2016 #25
it's counterproductive to try to force him out of the race--that never goes well-- geek tragedy Jun 2016 #39
Of course there is. liberalhistorian Jun 2016 #46
 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
2. The general doesn't begin until Septmeber
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

after the republican convention. There is no reason for Bernie to end his campaign. Hillary is 199 delegate short of the nomination.

Bernie has support of 46% of the democratic party. He has earned the right to take this to the convention to make whatever changes he can to improve the party.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
11. You just don't get it.It's the issues Bernie wants to bring to the convention not
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016

his candidacy. Clinton and the DLC are not talking about these populist issues which most Americans when polled claim they want and what Bernie stands for. Bernie is helping all democrats by staying in the race to bring about real change in the party that the DLC took away. Consider this from Bill Moyers:...

"...Once the champions of people who came home from work with hands dirty from toil and sweat, too many establishment Democrats went over to the dark side, taking up the cause of the well-manicured executives (think: Goldman Sachs) who write the checks and the mercenaries who deliver them (for a substantial cut, of course). 


The lust for loot which now defines the Democratic establishment became pronounced in the Bill Clinton years, when the Clinton-friendly Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) abandoned its liberal roots and embraced “market-based solutions” that led to deregulation, tax breaks, and subsidies for the 1 percent. Seeking to fill coffers emptied by the loss of support from a declining labor movement, Democrats rushed into the arms of big business and crony capitalists. ... " Bill Moyers

 

DemMomma4Sanders

(274 posts)
6. He has the demographics hillary needs, and who were unconstitutionally prevented
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)

from voting in primaries.

Hillary acting like they don't matter is insane. She can't win without the demographics Obama picked up, and Bernie has them..Hillaries base are over 40's who generally aren't too concerned about what their childrens lives are going to be like.

Endless bank subsidization vs Free college

More war VS more modern schools and internet

msongs

(67,193 posts)
27. please post your proof for your assertions that wnd (whatever that is) were unconstitutionally
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jun 2016

prevented from something

 

DemMomma4Sanders

(274 posts)
30. A general rule is that if ur taxes support something it has to be open to you.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

Closed primaries are not.

Does today's closed primary violate the Pennsylvania constitution?

http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2013/05/primary_election_independents_excluded_unconstitutional.html

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. A couple of points:
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jun 2016

First, Sanders has support of about 45% of those who voted in Democratic primaries, many of whom are not Democrats. Inasmuch as many independents and quite possibly republicans voted for him in primaries an caucuses, he has the support of less than 46% of the Democratic Party.

Second, Clinton has earned 55% of the pledged delegates. Why should Sanders be entitled to getting more superdelegates than her?

She is the winner, she is the nominee. No rewording, recalculation, reconfiguring of the delegates or their relative positions will change that fact.

It's over. The General Election campaign has begun.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
10. "She is the nominee." Prove it. The superdelegates haven't voted yet and she doesn't have enough
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jun 2016

without them.

Stop lying. Yeah, like that's going to happen.

chillfactor

(7,566 posts)
26. I will be so happy when...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jun 2016

Skinner puts the new polices in place..no more garbage like this post will be allowed.....YEAH!

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
14. Keep in mind it takes more than 33% of the democratic party to win a presidenital election.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jun 2016

The convention is about much more than votes for a candidate. It's not a coronation. Campaigning for the GE does not begin officially until after the convention and 'presumptive' does not mean they are already and until then Bernie has more to say and more people who want to hear him say it. His populist issues stand will win the election because they are what a majority of the people claim they want according tot he polls. Yet seems these DLC types want to silence him. Look at the multi millionaires circle dance around their media, bank and wall street corporations. Clinton could Bernie would. He is not a millionaire and Clinton is a multi millionaire. That says so much about perspective.

George II

(67,782 posts)
29. We just went through 55 for 56 primaries/caucuses where about 30 million people voted....
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jun 2016

For anyone to still dwell on the mistaken idea that this was a "coronation" amazes me.

Clinton is making her first general election campaign appearance next week, and Trump started a few weeks ago.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
8. "failed to make a significant dent in Mrs Clinton's delegate lead"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

Just what WOULD constitute a "significant dent"??? The "fix" has been in since before this campaign got started - hell, she and DWS have bragged that it was.

I still wanna barf when I think about this cock-sure statement of a few days back....

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
9. The Democratic Convention needs Bernie and his ideas.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jun 2016

He represents the future which is why young people have embraced him.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
12. He and his platform representatives will certainly play a role at the convention.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jun 2016

His campaign will have been suspended before they get to Philly. Bank on it.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
15. We will see how the establishment Democrats set up the Convention.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jun 2016

Hopefully they have been paying attention to a primary where a man was able to start miles behind the leader and catch her in several states because of his ideas. It's our future as a party.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,283 posts)
24. Platform? Does "platform" matter?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

I think it's just one more thing to be laughed off, should the subject come up.

"Winning" is the only thing that matters. Delegates. Later, Electors.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
35. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrre platform matters!
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

Just so long as said platform is in concert with the wishes of the corporate sponsors. In fact, they won't have it any other way!

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
31. Young people embrace him because of what he promises them.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

Free college, uncompromised health care, and a chance to move out of mom's basement with a $17 and hour job for unskilled labor. He promises to somehow release the cash from Wall Street and let it rain down upon the youthful masses and cancel credit card debt by bringing down Chase Manhattan and Bank of America.

If I were young I'd like to believe that utopian dream too.

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
45. I agree.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jun 2016

But the wealthy isn't going to part with their riches willingly and a president isn't going to pass legislation in one term... or probably even two that will force the Waltons to pay their share. Anyone who promises they will is lying.

Even if that happened what would be the end result? One would assume lower taxes for the 99%. As a retired auto worker I can attest that someone with an adjusted gross income of $30,000 leaves about $2,000 a year with the federal govt after typical deductions. (I just dug out last year's return to confirm that figure.)

That comes to about $166 a month I pay in that they keep. If the wealthy pay more I would hope to see a 50% cut, saving me a bit over $80 each month. What would I do with such a windfall of $20 week? I guess I could donate it to the politician who ends corporate funding of elections but I'd probably just renew my Sirius radio.

Thanx Bernie, could all be farting through silk if you were president.

Turin_C3PO

(13,649 posts)
44. 3 out of 5
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

of those ideas ARE attainable in the future. Free Tuition, Single Payer, and 15$/hr minimum wage. Plus there's nothing wrong with a little more bank and wall Street regulation. BTW, the "move out of mom's basement" was unnecessary, IMO.

JohnnyRingo

(18,581 posts)
47. Flying cars are attainable in the future...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jun 2016

...but no one's going to do it. Certainly not in Sanders' lifetime anyway.

I can't argue against reregulation of the banking industry, but Bernie doesn't have a monopoly on that plan. I'm not sure what the payoff is for the working class though. Lower interest rates? I'm sure we won't get a check in the mail for breaking up a few big banks.

As for the moving out of mom's basement, I was using my adult grandchildren as reference. My oldest granddaughter works as a dental tech and lives with my ex-wife. Her 18 year old brother lives with his mom and doesn't really want to work, but if he got $15/hr he might try it a couple days a week. He has no plans to get a drivers license, a car, or his own place.

Neither vote regardless of how important it is to me, their parents, and grandma. My granddaughter says it's a waste of her time and a woman is too emotional to be president anyway. My grandson got motivated with last year's amendment to legalize weed here in Ohio. He registered to vote, but found something else to do when his buddies showed up that day. Are these the people Bernie was counting on this fall?

Trust me, I have enough disappointment in my own family without worrying about your lifestyle.

IronLionZion

(45,258 posts)
13. I haven't voted yet
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jun 2016

I still plan to vote for Bernie next Tuesday and Hillary in November

It's good for liberals to have a voice to promote democratic socialist policies. He'll endorse Hillary for the general. Be grateful he's not going independent.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. Assuming that he's a man of his word, an independent run is ruled out. He made that pledge.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jun 2016

It was only under those terms that he was allowed to run on the Dem Party ticket.

Glad you'll be able to vote next week, presumably in DC?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
20. I don't put anything past Bernie. He could say anything to justify whatever he decides to do
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

when he decided to try to win with superdelegates, I pretty much realized that he's not about fairness and rules.

In fact, like trump attacking Hillary for using a teleprompter one day , and then using one himself the next, Bernie has one set of rules for Hillary and another for himself.

Sad really. He could have been a great VP for her.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
19. Bernie now has NO democratic path to the nomination. He's not in the race anymore than i'm in the
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jun 2016

race.

Have a vote on the first day of the convention, ignore him from now until then, and after the vote say so long.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
21. I don't know why you're so excited to see him go.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jun 2016

He's the only force pulling her left of center.

Pin her positions as far left as possible now, destroy Trump later.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
22. bernie spends a lot of time attacking OUR nominee.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

and the trump people use BERNIE's words to attack Hillary. Trump might as well be paying Bernie consulting fees.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
36. Oh bullshit.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

Trump isn't going to attack Hillary for not being 'left enough'. That's nonsense.

What's he going to do, attack her for taking money from Goldman Sachs? Like he hasn't? Come on.

Saviolo

(3,269 posts)
25. I keep saying it:
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016

I still hope Bernie stays in until the convention. Once again, it comes down to the media. The media is only covering things that are, by their own metric, interesting. That's why they've give millions of dollars worth of free advertising to Trump in the form of news cycles and column inches, because everyone out there is interested in the crazy antics that are coming from the orange fascist.

Right now, with Bernie still in the race, the media can point to the Democratic race as interesting because it's still being contested. Has Hillary pretty much clinched it? Sure. But that makes a less interesting headline than "Bernie remains in the race until the Convention!" The media wants to build an interesting narrative in order to push advertising sales and bring in viewers and readers, and it's far easier to build that narrative on conflict.

As soon as Bernie steps down from the contest (path or not), the Democratic side of the aisle will be officially boring to the media, and they'll go right back to covering the scandals and crazy talk spewing from the GOP candidate. Cue more millions worth of free advertising in the form of think pieces and news cycles dedicated to the latest crazy shit that Trump said.

Me, personally, I love a good boring election. That's how elections should be. Policies, ideas, nothing that fits into a catchphrase. But the media needs there to be conflict to sell the story. If, in the GE, Hillary is -way- ahead of Trump, the media will still build the narrative about the close race, because they need it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
39. it's counterproductive to try to force him out of the race--that never goes well--
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

he's already pretty much given up on trying to win the nomination, so it's really about bargaining about smaller gains at this point (e.g. platform)

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