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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:56 AM Jun 2016

Syria's Aleppo Sees 3 Hospitals in Rebel-Held Areas Bombed in 3 Hours

Source: NBC News

Three hospitals were bombed in the space of three hours in Syria's war-ravaged city of Aleppo, the United Nations children's program said.

The medical facilities bombed Wednesday were on the rebel-held eastern side of the city, UNICEF regional director Peter Salama said in a statement.

"Everyone must question their humanity when babies have to be taken out of incubators because of attacks on hospitals," Salama said. "This devastating pattern of warfare in Syria seems to have no checks and balances."

One of the hospitals was one of the few that still provided pediatric services in the city and Wednesday was the second time it had been bombed, according to UNICEF.

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/syria-s-aleppo-sees-3-hospitals-rebel-held-areas-bombed-n588686

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Syria's Aleppo Sees 3 Hospitals in Rebel-Held Areas Bombed in 3 Hours (Original Post) oberliner Jun 2016 OP
how many hospitals will Assad and/or Putin bomb before they are satisfied? uhnope Jun 2016 #1
Don't worry. Assad has promised to "free" all of Syria from the "terrorists". DetlefK Jun 2016 #2
All the people IronLionZion Jun 2016 #3
and the US is doing what about this horrible war??? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #4
Ask Russia that question, and Assad. And the UN. uhnope Jun 2016 #5
Putin is a monster. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #6
What is the US Doing? They Fed Gas to the Fire Under Hillary McKim Jun 2016 #7
This article is about Assad bombing hospitals oberliner Jun 2016 #8
Yes, The Civil War Has Not Turned Out Well for the Syrian People McKim Jun 2016 #23
so the US forced Assad to bomb his own country uhnope Jun 2016 #24
That is not the Syrian people's fault oberliner Jun 2016 #25
Greenwald was unavailable for comment.. Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #9
This needs to stop but two factors- 1. Are these reports based on innacurate war narratives? 2. newthinking Jun 2016 #10
Thank you for that ingtelligent post. I was starting to suffocate. yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #12
UNICEF and Physicians for Human Rights are the sources here oberliner Jun 2016 #18
It's not weird. You cannot discount the effect of war narratives (captured/innacurat reporting) newthinking Jun 2016 #19
OK oberliner Jun 2016 #21
This is a purposeful tactic in Syria askeptic Jun 2016 #11
Did those bombs say USA on them? yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #13
Because the US is the only country that does awful things. PersonNumber503602 Jun 2016 #15
Who said that? Logical Fallacies are not arguments askeptic Jun 2016 #17
Who said they did? - only you askeptic Jun 2016 #16
Modern war *is* a war crime. The answer is to stop incentivising more wars newthinking Jun 2016 #22
I am not attempting to excuse these, but is there anything to suggest militants were occupying these PersonNumber503602 Jun 2016 #14
It's all fucked up. If we really care about innocents than we need to newthinking Jun 2016 #20
Most of America doesn't give a monkey's. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #26
Sad but true oberliner Jun 2016 #27
Which is why a lot of Republicans see Putin as a good leader. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #28
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
1. how many hospitals will Assad and/or Putin bomb before they are satisfied?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:09 AM
Jun 2016

Not to mention refugee camps and humanitarian aid convoys...
WTH? Where's the outrage?

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
3. All the people
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jun 2016

he doesn't want to go down like Gaddafi and other Arab leaders recently. Assad is such a miserable piece of shit.

I'm not sure the Syrian people or their country's infrastructure will ever recover from this war. No matter who wins.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
5. Ask Russia that question, and Assad. And the UN.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jun 2016

Obama forced the chemical weapons out of Assad's hands, so he at least can't use those against his own people.

What do you want the US to do???

McKim

(2,412 posts)
7. What is the US Doing? They Fed Gas to the Fire Under Hillary
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jun 2016

What is the US doing? We encouraged the start of the Civil War by helping the rebels under Hillary as Sect'y of State. The Necons are angry with Asaad because he refused to put an oil pipeline through Syria and open it up to foreign corporations. You can expect a lot more instability and war and death in the Middle East if Hillary is selected. Just had to get this in before June 16 when my ideas here will no longer be welcome. Neocons always have to have an enemy. Suddenly Russia is our enemy like in 1956. Just watch what happens when Hillary, Kissinger, Albright and Kagan are in charge.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. This article is about Assad bombing hospitals
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

Are you suggesting that the civil war against him ought to have been discouraged?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
23. Yes, The Civil War Has Not Turned Out Well for the Syrian People
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

I admit that Assad was a dictator and that Syrian was no human rights paradise. But when I was there a decade ago there were no beggars, people were eating, had health care and education and intact cities and cultural infrastructure intact. Small family businesses were the norm and no foreign corps. had toeholds there. Today they have bombed out cities, ruined cultural heritage and an ongoing war that has killed 275,000 and caused the greatest refugee crisis since WWII. Now it's a proxy war there with us and Russia.
I can't fathom why the Neocons want war with Russia, it sounds like 1956 and Cold War thinking to me, utter stupidity.

We should have left them alone. But the US was chagrined when Assad refused to have an oil pipeline go through his country and he refused to give international corps to have a business market there. And also to protect Israel we went in there to help the rebels and look what happened. We made some very unsavory friends there and now it is an utter disaster.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. That is not the Syrian people's fault
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:49 AM
Jun 2016

If the people of Syria want to try to overthrow a dictator, I say, more power to them.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
10. This needs to stop but two factors- 1. Are these reports based on innacurate war narratives? 2.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

have we stopped the policy of not sharing location information about these facilities?

This report is from Dr.s for Human rights which is a legit HR org. But if they are taking their information from the western narrative (primarily the discredited/propaganda "NGO" Syrian observatory for Human Rights, then they are responding to an inaccurate war narrative)

The whole middle east is fucked and a lot of it is due to non transparent crap that is occurring (such as Turkey and Saudi Arabia, which have sent more arms support to the region recently, which is why Russia is getting more involved again). And the US using the area as a "chessboard", supporting jihadi groups aligned with Al-qaida.

Time for us to start working with the Russians. This war should have been over months ago.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
12. Thank you for that ingtelligent post. I was starting to suffocate.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

I always ask, cui bono?
For Assad to bomb children's hospitals makes
no sense on any level.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. UNICEF and Physicians for Human Rights are the sources here
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jun 2016

Weird how you are questioning them on this.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
19. It's not weird. You cannot discount the effect of war narratives (captured/innacurat reporting)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

We live in a different time when all the normal "rules" of engagement and the instutions that we have relied on are being compromised and manipulated. NGO's now bias their reporting of incidents due to concerns over losing funding. Where were Unicef and Physicians for human rights with the Hospital attack in Afganistan?

Not saying they are bad orgs I am glad overall they are there. But NGOs have been compromised or they would be more often going after the actual source of suffering for millions. But they cannot touch that subject or risk losing most funding.

You simply cannot discount the "captured" reporting on wars. Narrative based war reporting is a fundamental component and often the basis of modern war crimes.

Additionally, in order to accept the current one sided Narratives you have to believe that people are inherently evil and less concerned about the innocent and children due to their nationality: Which is bullshit and naive.

When one country knows that a makeshift hospital is located in a conflict zone and gives that information to some forces that are fighting but not others than who is responsible for war crimes?

Where are human rights when a country creates or prolongs wars because they confuse their other interests with human rights?

This is awful and should be condemned. But in the current atmosphere it becomes propaganda instead of what it should be used for, which is to stop innocent suffering.

askeptic

(478 posts)
11. This is a purposeful tactic in Syria
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

...as stated in a USA Today Article last month:

"Destroying such targets prior to a major ground operation acts to fundamentally undermine the capacity for the opposition to present a viable alternative," Lister said."It also helps to encourage mass displacement of civilians, which further destabilizes the eventual target of attack."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/04/28/doctors-without-borders-least-14-killed-airstrike-syria-hospital/83637946/

And it is useful to remember that US bombings have targeted hospitals in the past, and not everyone is convinced it was accidental. War is very nasty business....
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/10/08/3710486/hospitals-bombed/

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
15. Because the US is the only country that does awful things.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jun 2016

This is me like so totally agreeing with you. Like totally, comrade.

askeptic

(478 posts)
16. Who said they did? - only you
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jun 2016

appeal to ridicule
A logical fallacy of presenting the opponent's argument in a way that appears ridiculous, often to the extent of creating a straw man of the actual argument.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
22. Modern war *is* a war crime. The answer is to stop incentivising more wars
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

and work together to end the current ones.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
14. I am not attempting to excuse these, but is there anything to suggest militants were occupying these
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

hospitals and using the doctors and patients as human shields, or are these straight up terror bombings against civilians? I know that Assad has used barrel bombs to bomb neighborhoods in the past, but it's hard to understand the logic behind purposely bombing hospitals filled with civilians.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
20. It's all fucked up. If we really care about innocents than we need to
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

stop promoting particular interests and join a collation.

It is also far past time for Human Rights organizations to start sounding out about the manipulation of information and to start fighting against these wars and the policies that are ultimately driving them.

There will be more an more severe incidents because of the way geopolitics are working to destroy any humane function and instead use narratives and money to constrain information and funding to NGOs to achieve war aims to hide innocent deaths from public view or expose them by political will. That in itself ratchets up wars and should be itself recognized as a war crime.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Sad but true
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

Most of America knows precious little about what is going on in the world. Let alone all the various nuances of these different conflicts.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
28. Which is why a lot of Republicans see Putin as a good leader.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

I think some really don't like the idea of democracy.

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