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drokhole

(1,230 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:11 AM Jun 2016

All Pro-TPP Talk Removed From Latest Paperback Edition of Hillary Clinton's Memoir

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by George II (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: Daily Mail UK

The original hardcover book included a discussion of Clinton's efforts as secretary of state to urge foreign countries to join negotiations for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. That 12-nation Pacific rim agreement has become a political football, with the Obama administration cheerleading for its success and Trump rooting for its failure – and Clinton caught in the middle. Her book's new paperback edition drops entirely the description of her work on the pro-TPP side during a 2009 conference in El Salvador.

'We worked hard to improve and ratify trade agreements with Colombia and Panama and encouraged Canada and the group of countries that became known as the Pacific Alliance — Mexico, Colombia, Peru, and Chile — all open-market democracies driving toward a more prosperous future to join negotiations with Asian nations on TPP, the trans-Pacific trade agreement,' the book read in 2014.

Now the entire two-page section that described her advocacy for the TPP is gone, according to the Center for Economic and Policy Research. Instead there's a disclaimer on the copyright page noting that 'a limited number of sections' have been cut 'to accommodate a shorter length for this edition.' In all 96 pages were eliminated, some of them in a way that changes Clinton's public positions just months before the presidential election.

Clinton's position on TPP while she was secretary of state was in lockstep with Obama's, giving at least 45 speeches in which she expressed support for it, according to a tally compiled by CNN. During one 2012 speech in Australia, she said the TPP set 'the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. (...) And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment,' she said then.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635981/Hillary-deletes-emails-latest-edition-memoir-removes-cheerleading-controversial-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-trade-deal.html



Looks like that was an 'easy' choice to make. Coincides nicely with the fortuitous delay of releasing her department's emails on the matter until exactly after the election.
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All Pro-TPP Talk Removed From Latest Paperback Edition of Hillary Clinton's Memoir (Original Post) drokhole Jun 2016 OP
Just like part of the chapter on the coup in Honduras disappeared. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #1
Sections were removed for only that particular paperback edition leftofcool Jun 2016 #2
Yes, it would have been difficult to go into people homes Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #10
Oh, come on. That's too logical... pangaia Jun 2016 #18
Heh. SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #27
Added *Latest* to the title to clarify, had been trying to rework their overly long headline... drokhole Jun 2016 #11
We're being sold down the river. tecelote Jun 2016 #3
I hope not, but I can't help but have my suspicions. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #30
Being played like a cheap fiddle! n/t RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #31
Maybe she is serious about NOT supporting TPP Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #4
..........maybe......... pangaia Jun 2016 #19
It sounds like she has changed her mind on the matter to me too bhikkhu Jun 2016 #45
Left on her own , she makes bad decisions . bahrbearian Jun 2016 #49
A whole generation of economic and political theorists are (or were) behind the TPP bhikkhu Jun 2016 #54
Ok how about ,Left on her own she is easily manipulated by the MIC and Multi-National Corps. bahrbearian Jun 2016 #57
My guess is she'll say it needs to be tweaked Ilsa Jun 2016 #56
What bothers me here... Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #5
Why would this OP be banned after June 16th? Its news & its true. 7962 Jun 2016 #9
I agree, the OP is news, important news. Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #14
Then let's be banned together. Gene Debs Jun 2016 #22
The upper administration of the unions have been turned... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #37
Yet some people still don't trust her. Weird. Scuba Jun 2016 #6
Is that a flip or a flop? NV Whino Jun 2016 #7
Got an election coming up. seabeckind Jun 2016 #8
Excuse my ignorance on this subject. SamKnause Jun 2016 #12
It is normal. Publishers do this all the time to save money on pb editions leftofcool Jun 2016 #13
Thanks SamKnause Jun 2016 #17
Oh. right. These two particular sections were deleted to.....save money.. pangaia Jun 2016 #21
Don't be fooled by this "editing"! Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #26
Yea, if it's abridged. sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #29
It is really amazing. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #15
Yes, amazing sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #41
All BS spin. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #43
What we need is a progresssive party. sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #50
Of course not. bahrbearian Jun 2016 #51
Right-wing tabloids like the Daily Mail are so popular here lately for some reason oberliner Jun 2016 #16
Shouldn't we be glad she changed her opinion? left-of-center2012 Jun 2016 #20
If you watch closely, as soon as she's officially the nominee, she'll be in favor of it again. So Gene Debs Jun 2016 #24
Changing one's opinion is one thing (if it be genuine), Ministry of Truth-ing it is another... drokhole Jun 2016 #32
Excellent analysis there! Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #42
You mean... zentrum Jun 2016 #39
Isn't that the section to be replaced by the Wall Street Speech Transcripts? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #23
I think in her mind, and in the minds of many Americans, mountain grammy Jun 2016 #25
Yep. SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #34
Is anyone really supposed to believe that Clinton Obama et al have only Gene Debs Jun 2016 #52
Another attempt to rewrite history. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #28
It's her book. She clearly can edit it as she wants. HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #33
Nobody said it couldn't be edited. Just noted that it was, and how. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2016 #35
I wonder if anyone ever does anything but takes posts at personally HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #40
We've always been at war with Eastasia! Odin2005 Jun 2016 #36
It is common practice bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #38
Will TPP bring in foreign companies to the list of ACA Marketplace Plans in states that refused to DhhD Jun 2016 #44
It doesn't matter, StoneCarver Jun 2016 #46
Damn! Her shift to the right comes so quickly! n/t Herman4747 Jun 2016 #47
Clinton had nothing to do with this. It was her editor... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #48
I beleive there are laws against censorship in the US. Clinton would have to agree with the change. DhhD Jun 2016 #53
The publisher is the government?! Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #55
Locking - Not "LBN" - speculation, from a non-credible (RW) source, and also... George II Jun 2016 #58

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. Just like part of the chapter on the coup in Honduras disappeared.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jun 2016

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
2. Sections were removed for only that particular paperback edition
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jun 2016

Sections are still available in the original Hard Back, the 2nd edition HB which I have, the original paper back and the ebook edition as well as the Kindle edition which I also have.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
10. Yes, it would have been difficult to go into people homes
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

and ask to see the book for a few minutes while those pages were torn out.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
18. Oh, come on. That's too logical...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jun 2016

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
27. Heh.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jun 2016

"But, but, it's still available in editions they're not selling anymore...."

Ah, it's still in the ebook? I guess taking it out of that would have been too obvious.

drokhole

(1,230 posts)
11. Added *Latest* to the title to clarify, had been trying to rework their overly long headline...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

...which, that being the case (making the change in the latest edition), makes the move that much more odd/suspicious.

But thanks for pointing that out!

tecelote

(5,156 posts)
3. We're being sold down the river.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jun 2016

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
30. I hope not, but I can't help but have my suspicions. nt
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
31. Being played like a cheap fiddle! n/t
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
4. Maybe she is serious about NOT supporting TPP
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jun 2016

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. ..........maybe.........
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:43 AM
Jun 2016

bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
45. It sounds like she has changed her mind on the matter to me too
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

I know some people don't like the idea of a person re-thinking their position, but I've done the same thing. It took some looking into the underlying political theory behind the pro and con viewpoints, but I can see why its not the right direction to go in. I appreciate a politician that has an open mind, is willing to listen to opposing points of view and learn something. I take it is her having listened to Sanders and Warren, and developed her perspective.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
49. Left on her own , she makes bad decisions .
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
54. A whole generation of economic and political theorists are (or were) behind the TPP
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jun 2016

It was considered the natural result of decades of theory. The counter-arguments have come pretty late in the game, largely by analyzing the effects of the various policies on inequality and overall economies in developing countries.

http://folk.uio.no/daget/neoliberalism.pdf

The TPP came from a large body of work by a large number of people, mostly very well intentioned. "Left on her own" means nothing - none of us are ever left on our own, and put in a position of responsibility we do our best with what we can learn from our peers.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
57. Ok how about ,Left on her own she is easily manipulated by the MIC and Multi-National Corps.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jun 2016

Ilsa

(64,371 posts)
56. My guess is she'll say it needs to be tweaked
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

a bit, then we'll be told there were some changes and congress critters will approve it without reading the fine print. Business as usual. I'm getting whiplash from observing walk-backs and changes in position.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
5. What bothers me here...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jun 2016

What bothers me here is not that you posted this article. For if the article is true, then the truth (as they say) is its own defense. Of course, posts such as this one will be banned after June 16, and rightly so.

What bothers me here is that the unions evidently cannot see how bad the TPP will be for them. The TPP will destroy the middle class, and destroy the unions.

The unions should have backed Bernie early, and completely. Because only Bernie spoke up against the TPP from the very beginning.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. Why would this OP be banned after June 16th? Its news & its true.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jun 2016

Are we now being told that we MUST ignore ANY news thats not flattering to the candidate? Will this become nothing more than an echo chamber of everyone repeating the same feel-good comments every day? "Bad" news will only be allowed if the subject is a Republican? Are we that weak?
I can see stopping propaganda or opinion pieces, but stuff like this IS news and should be posted. Its not like the REST of the world isnt going to read it if its not posted here!

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
14. I agree, the OP is news, important news.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

But DU is not a news site. It's a partisan political site. So banning such a post after the primary vote ends, that makes sense to me.

Don't get me wrong. I am no fan of Hillary. And I will not vote for a warmonger. So I plan to write in Bernie come November. And if I let that slip after June 16, I'll probably be banned from DU. And rightly so, I guess.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
22. Then let's be banned together.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
37. The upper administration of the unions have been turned...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

...into an arm of the Democratic Party establishment and no longer truly represent the workers.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. Yet some people still don't trust her. Weird.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jun 2016

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
7. Is that a flip or a flop?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jun 2016

It's so hard to tell these days.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
8. Got an election coming up.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jun 2016

Gotta get the house cleaned up before the big event.

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
12. Excuse my ignorance on this subject.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

Is it normal practice that hardcover and softcover books differ ?

I always thought softcover books were just a less expensive version

and was identical in content to the hardcover version.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
13. It is normal. Publishers do this all the time to save money on pb editions
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

They pass those savings on to the consumer.

SamKnause

(14,896 posts)
17. Thanks
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jun 2016

I was not aware.

I don't think I would ever buy a paperback book knowing this information.

I always bought and collected hardcover books.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
21. Oh. right. These two particular sections were deleted to.....save money..
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

And the 'savings' were passed on to the customers..


Yup.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
26. Don't be fooled by this "editing"!
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

Yes, softcover books are often edited for length. But that's not what happened here. This TPP editing was done to remove something embarrassing, not to shorten the book. It was purposely done to mislead the reader.

How can I say that with complete confidence? Because the TPP is extremely important! When a book is edited, the important things are normally left in, not taken out.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
29. Yea, if it's abridged.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jun 2016

Most abridged volumes are of literary works. I've never heard of an abridged reprint of a memoir by someone running for the presidency. That's oddly coincidental to say the least

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. It is really amazing.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary can't edit her own book.

Hillary can't have private email.

Hillary can't have a charitable foundation.

Hillary can't make money.

Hillary can't be president.



This is YOUR Democratic presidential nominee - right?

Trump would be just fine?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
41. Yes, amazing
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary can edit her own book to delete sections she now finds objectionable.

Hillary can have a private email to avoid public disclosure of things she may want to keep from the public record.

Hillary can have a charitable foundation for political quid pro quo contributions.

Hillary can make tens of millions of dollars as a 'public servant'.

Hillary can be president because she is over 35 and a native born citizen.

This is your democratic presidential nominee.

Trump's a boorish amateur by comparison.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
43. All BS spin.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

Good job.

We don't need a rightwing spin machine, do we?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
50. What we need is a progresssive party.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

Saying Clinton and progressive in the same breath is laughable spin, and that's no bull.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
51. Of course not.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Right-wing tabloids like the Daily Mail are so popular here lately for some reason
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jun 2016

I guess as long as they say negative things about Hillary, any right-wing source is ok?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
20. Shouldn't we be glad she changed her opinion?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jun 2016

Or would we prefer she not be flexible?
And isn't it time to move on to the battle against "THE DONALD"?

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
24. If you watch closely, as soon as she's officially the nominee, she'll be in favor of it again. So
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

you'll get to see her change her opinion of it yet again!

drokhole

(1,230 posts)
32. Changing one's opinion is one thing (if it be genuine), Ministry of Truth-ing it is another...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

Here's a possible alternative:

"Addendum: At the time, I had been for the trade partnership known as 'TPP'. After much thought and careful consideration (and after 46 speeches praising it), I've come to realize..."

Why have we come to accept this sort of memory-hole removal and refusal to acknowledge/be held to account as the de facto (in not only) course of action? Well, when it comes to our preferred candidate, at least...

This primary season has been an interesting exercise in watching certain elements trip over themselves to see who can come up with the most ridiculous way to excuse and soft-peddle these behaviors.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
42. Excellent analysis there!
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jun 2016

Giving Hillary a complete pass for every last thing is bad for the for the party, and it's bad for the country.

But it's bad for Hillary as well. Leaders surrounded by only yes-men inevitably get sloppy and reckless. Such leaders usually end up as failures. History is filled with examples of this.

zentrum

(9,870 posts)
39. You mean...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jun 2016

…she changed her opinion on what she actually already did in Honduras?

Wow—didn't realize her resume including time travel. So she can undo the deaths and coup brought on by the Honduran Rightwing.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
23. Isn't that the section to be replaced by the Wall Street Speech Transcripts?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jun 2016

Someone said they'd be transcripts!

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
25. I think in her mind, and in the minds of many Americans,
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Obama included, these trade deals are a way to redistribute wealth and raise living standards all over the world. That's the idealistic view, but it doesn't mesh well with corporate greed. The so called "free market" approach is a disaster for the working class when corporations are given unlimited power over local populations and governments. I guess the "hard choice" is whether the world will be run by corporations or people.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
34. Yep.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jun 2016

Corporations already have way too much power and TPP and its ilk give them more.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
52. Is anyone really supposed to believe that Clinton Obama et al have only
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

the noblest intentions but somehow it doesn't work out they way they and their shining idealism intended? Isn't the simpler and much more logical explanation that they know exactly what it is, and that's what they're going for?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
28. Another attempt to rewrite history.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jun 2016

How dishonest is this?
And you still want her as president.
Amazing!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
33. It's her book. She clearly can edit it as she wants.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jun 2016

That is different from whether she -should- but she's a trained attorney and according to the sitting president the most experienced politician to ever run for the presidency; surely she knowes how ethics and pragmatism intersect on the Venn diagram of the applied lemma and the game theory supporting her choice.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
35. Nobody said it couldn't be edited. Just noted that it was, and how. nt
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
40. I wonder if anyone ever does anything but takes posts at personally
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

at the most superficial level?

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
36. We've always been at war with Eastasia!
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jun 2016

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
38. It is common practice
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jun 2016

for books and movies to make deletions and editing in subsequent editions

That's not to excuse it or treat it lightly, just to point out it is often done

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
44. Will TPP bring in foreign companies to the list of ACA Marketplace Plans in states that refused to
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jun 2016

accept ACA like Texas and who are losing American Insurance Providers or Plans? Many Texasns are losing their low cost Marketplace Plans.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/107831091


Will Clinton flip flop after the Nov 2016 election? Is she going for Single Payer between now and the election?

 

StoneCarver

(249 posts)
46. It doesn't matter,
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

After the elections the republicans will lose the senate. The lame duck republicans in congress will vote in favor of the TPP. Obama will sign it, and Hillary will claim she was against it but there's nothing she can do.
This is a screw job of the highest order. It doesn't matter if Hillary or Trump win the whitehouse, the die is cast. It's a done deal after the elections!
But the TPP is mostly about containing China by tying up their surrounding countries into our trade deal.
Stonecarver

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
47. Damn! Her shift to the right comes so quickly! n/t
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
48. Clinton had nothing to do with this. It was her editor...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

Winston Smith that was responsible for the changes.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
53. I beleive there are laws against censorship in the US. Clinton would have to agree with the change.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

Blue_Adept

(6,499 posts)
55. The publisher is the government?!
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

Who knew!

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Locking - Not "LBN" - speculation, from a non-credible (RW) source, and also...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

....OP title isn't the title in the link ("Hillary deletes more than emails as the latest edition of her memoir removes all her cheerleading for controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal&quot

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