Clinton: I'll say the words 'radical Islamism'

[MariaThinks]

Source: CNN


CNN) — Hillary Clinton said Monday she's not afraid to say "radical" Islam as she countered attacks from Donald Trump that she's too politically correct to use the phrase. "From my perspective, it matters what we do more than what we say," Clinton said on CNN's "New Day." "And it mattered we got bin Laden, not what name we called him. I have clearly said we -- whether you call it radical jihadism or radical Islamism, I'm happy to say either. I think they mean the same thing."

Clinton -- who also reupped her call to restore the assault weapons ban -- was forceful in dismissing Republicans' criticism -- vocally echoed by Trump -- that President Barack Obama and Democrats won't describe such terror attacks as "radical Islamic terrorism."

Clinton's comments went further than she has before in the language she uses to describe radical Islam and swiftly undercut one of Trump's central lines of attack against her regarding the fight against terrorism. Her interview Monday morning also notably separated the former Secretary of State from Obama's approach -- in his remarks from the White House on Sunday about the massacre, he never used the words "radical Islam" and he's made it a point not to do so in similar past domestic attacks.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/index.html

[Gomez163]

1. Did Rumpelstiltskin disappear yet??

[christx30]

14. The idea being:

If you're afraid to say it, you're not able or not willing to fight it.

[Kablooie]

2. Geez. There she goes again letting Trump control the conversation.

Why can't she respond without acknowledging Trumps idiotic rant.

This is why I'm still not convinced that she will easily win over Trump.
She always lets his blathering set the tone for discussion.

[leftofcool]

3. Doesn't sound to me like Trump is controlling anything.

No doubt Trump supporters think so.

[swhisper1]

5. She responds to Trumps baits, not very presidential

[AntiBank]

31. 2004 isnt very noob

[denbot]

32. It is to me. N/T

[AntiBank]

34. lolol I dont think 3 years difference means much when you are talking 2001 v 2004

memberwise

[denbot]

35. That's because you weren't here in the beginning.

It was pretty intense..

[840high]

39. Did you just buy DU?

[Igel]

8. Possibly.

But some people view any concession as defeat and the only way to true victory as defiance.

"Fasten your seat belt" can become a cause for defiance, with splatting into the windshield the sign of true victory. Some outgrow it by age 10, others by age 15, others by age 20 or 25. Some never outgrow it, but make it from a flaw into a feature. And some support their knee-jerk defiance as virtue.

[GeorgeGist]

10. Like

[GummyBearz]

4. Just as Bernie pulled her left, Trump will pull her right.

And I bet she gets further to the right than trump in an attempt to out do him. We are screwed no matter who wins

[swhisper1]

6. its already happening

[MariaThinks]

12. This is not about left or right. This is about stopping the slaughter of innocent people

and of mourning for the victims.

[EdwardBernays]

15. Lol

Her "gun control" policies wouldn't even cut gun violence by 10%... Pretty rich claiming she gives a shit about it... Shes calculated just how much she can propose to befuddle people like you and not enrage moderate Democrats... The outcome? At best - at very best - dropping the annual gun deaths to 27,000...sounds like a real compassionate person. Lol.

[MariaThinks]

16. when someone can LOL in these tragic circumstancs, it is time to stop talking to them. You are on my

ignore list.


good bye

[Major Nikon]

18. Results...

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Lol
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[EdwardBernays]

22. The thing is

People that think think 27,000 dead at the end gun a year, like Clinton, deserve my derision. Pretending that that deserves praise and is a reason to vote for someone is IMO also worthy of sarcasm and derision.

Saying that crafting policies which leave 27,000 dead a year means you care is beyond ridiculous.

[Jester Messiah]

45. Like a ship with no rudder.

She is often spoken of as being pulled this way or that by whomever, or saying what one audience wants to hear, then pivoting for the next audience. I would feel so much more comfortable if I had any idea what this woman actually believed in her soul.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. In this instance, she has rendered Trump's judgment worthless

He was wrong. She did say it. She recognizes it for what it is.

He thought she didn't, and wouldn't. TRUMP WAS WRONG HERE.

It's a game of credibility, legitimacy.

Minor skirmish, but Trump gambled for it, reached for it, and lost.

[emulatorloo]

26. Nah, she's punching that lying motherfucker in the jaw.

Trump gets self-congratulatory after Orlando mass shooting
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-gets-self-congratulatory-after-orlando-mass-shooting/

[bucolic_frolic]

9. I think she will engage the conversation intelligently

in ways that diminish Trump's influence on issues

and this is such an instance

Making his criticism moot reduces his power

He will try to cling to her on other issues, and she must push him
away by clearly defining them

I think she is well prepared for debates on issues, more so than Obama
or her husband. Bill was vague at times

[AntiBank]

11. and the weathervane spins again

Remember these 2 chestnuts of wisdom?

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/667371059885301761

Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism."



snip


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Hillary Clinton staked her presidential campaign Thursday on the curious claim that 'radical jihadism' is not a byproduct of Islam."


Hillary hammers 'obsession' with the words 'radical Islamic terrorism' as she insists 'Muslims ... have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325645/Hillary-hammers-obsession-words-radical-Islamic-terrorism-insists-Muslims-whatsoever-terrorism.html#ixzz4BTQIozDW


snip

Clinton instead referred repeatedly to 'radical jihadism' as a global scourge, but didn't explain how the concept of jihadism is consistent with the notion that adherents of the world's second largest religion are uninvolved.
Blaming 'radical Islamic terrorism' for vicious attacks of the sort that killed 129 people last Friday in Paris, she said, 'is not just a distraction.'
Affiliating them with a religion, Clinton insisted, 'gives these criminals, these murderers, more standing than they deserve and it actually plays into their hands by alienating partners we need by our side.'




I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this point

[emulatorloo]

27. Can you distinguish between moderate Christians and radical Christian abortion clinic murderers?

If not, that explains your "weathervane" comment.

[AntiBank]

33. non responsive retort

[anigbrowl]

46. It's exactly on point

I'm an atheist myself, but that doesn't mean I see every single church or mosque as a hotbed of bigotry even though bigotry often manifests in religious form.

[emulatorloo]

47. 'Non-responsive". No, actually pretty damn responsive. Atheist as well here

Of course the underlying tenants of bigotry homophobia misogyny of pretty much all religion. Deserves constant pushback.

However there is a real distinction between:

- extremists who murder 'infidel' gays and abortion providers

- moderates who don't murder anybody.

[Chan790]

50. Yeah, no.

It was fairly responsive...I'd say you just got hoisted by your own petard.

[angrychair]

37. No matter the religion, there is no "moderate"

version of it.
As a rule, there version and their gods are the only "right" one. Failure to worship there gods, from their religious text, will result in an eternity of pain and suffering and those that don't follow and obey their gods deserve that eternity of suffering and pain.

The Old Testament, the foundation for three of the largest religions, is full of rape, incest and murder, most on a genocidal scale and most of it at the command or action of their gods.

Religion, of any kind, is bathed in blood. From the most moderate and humble to the most radical, all not only desire my eternal pain and suffering, they demand it.

[AntiBank]

38. I am an atheist so all religion is bollocks to me. Moderate members are just

pick n choose believers to me.

[6chars]

40. You might be casting your net a little narrow

"Failure to worship there gods, from their religious text, will result in an eternity of pain and suffering and those that don't follow and obey their gods deserve that eternity of suffering and pain."

- I am pretty sure not all religions believe this.

[angrychair]

41. Well, not all follow the same text

Regardless, in one way or another, as someone that does not follow their specific text, I will suffer or pay some sort of penalty, everything from being reborn as a slug to enteral suffering in a burning pit.

[leftynyc]

36. Tick tock

The 16th can't get here soon enough. Imbecilic nick names for our candidate will not be tolerated.

[tblue37]

43. They should never have been tolerated in the first place--on either side.

This isn't third grade. Besides, such immature name calling just pours gasoline on the fire and makes coming together for the GE that much harder.

[leftynyc]

44. 100% agreement (n/t)

[jalan48]

17. Clinton says, "Take that Obama!"

[romanic]

19. She shouldn't let Trump bait her

but hopefully she'll be tough and say what needs to be said when the time is right.

[TomCADem]

20. Shouldn't Abortion Clinic Attacks Be Blamed on Radical Christianity?

Also, is there some branch of Islam called "radical Islam"? Thought there is Sunni and Sheite as the main branches.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

30. This ^^^^^^^^^^

[ButterflyBlood]

49. She said "Radical Islamism" not "Radical Islam"

There's a difference.

[Chan790]

51. Yes. That's a factual statement.

These are faces of Radical Christianity.

[47of74]

21. Of course that will never satisfy the reich wing dumb fucks.

Nothing Mrs. Clinton or President Obama does or does not do is ever enough for the GOP. These are people who will never be satisfied no matter what.

[patsimp]

24. Clinton is a leader.

[yurbud]

25. her actual comments were better than the headline

[ymetca]

28. Agreed

Taken out of context. The killer's parents said he was a gay hater who just used Isis to make himself seem more important. Too bad she didn't bring that up. But there is still time, before the neocons take complete control of the narrative.

[emulatorloo]

29. Agreed.

[tblue37]

42. I believe that Obama's statement came before there was any certainty about whether

the shooter was acting as a radical Islamic terrorist or whether he was just acting as a run-of-the-mill murderous maniac filled with hatred for LGBT people.

Until that sort of certainty is achieved, it is not wise to jump to conclusions or making sweeping claims and accusations, especially if you are the president addressing the nation and the world about an event like this.

[kyburbonkid]

48. What the world needs is Progressive Secularism!

I would be happy with that.