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brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:39 PM Jun 2016

Dozens of GOP delegates launch new push to halt Donald Trump

Source: Washington Post

Dozens of Republican convention delegates are hatching a new plan to block Donald Trump at this summer’s party meetings, in what has become the most organized effort so far to stop the businessman from becoming the GOP nominee.

The delegates are angered by Trump’s recent comments on gun control, his racial attacks on a federal judge and his sinking poll numbers. They are convinced that Trump is an insufficiently conservative candidate and believe they will find enough like-minded Republicans within the next month to change party rules and allow delegates to vote for whomever they want, regardless of who won their state caucus or primary.

The new campaign is being run by the only people who can actually make changes to party rules, rather than by pundits and media figures who have been pining for a Trump alternative. Many involved in the delegate-driven movement supported Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas in the primary but say they have no specific candidate in mind and are not taking cues from any of Trump’s vanquished opponents.

“This literally is an ‘Anybody but Trump’ movement,” said Kendal Unruh, a Republican delegate from Colorado who is leading the campaign. “Nobody has any idea who is going to step in and be the nominee, but we’re not worried about that. We’re just doing that job to make sure that he’s not the face of our party.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dozens-of-gop-delegates-launch-new-push-to-halt-donald-trump/2016/06/17/e8dcf74e-3491-11e6-8758-d58e76e11b12_story.html



Just remember...you can't beat someone with no one.
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Dozens of GOP delegates launch new push to halt Donald Trump (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
Just ask Don to take an Alzheimer's screening test. The rest will be history. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #1
Or, have him talk ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #3
That's a great idea PJMcK Jun 2016 #26
+10x bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #5
Right, he's totally going to cooperate with a request that has never been made of anyone before anigbrowl Jun 2016 #9
Or, we could just have Don abducted by aliens, as suggested by anigbrowl. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #13
OK you got me to laugh on that one .nt anigbrowl Jun 2016 #19
Or demand his tax returns and financial statements C_U_L8R Jun 2016 #10
Anyone who is still supporting Trump... thesquanderer Jun 2016 #14
But, he can just say he forgot where they are due to dementia. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #15
Con Don would FAIL a Security Clearance check. Better do now than after he is nominated Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #20
You can smell it everywhere. truthisfreedom Jun 2016 #2
I'd prefer this to be happening in August, after the Convention.... OnDoutside Jun 2016 #4
Never Trump movement makes 13th attempt to pass collective action test, will fail nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #6
What Can Europe’s Far Right Tell Us About Trump’s Rise? TomCADem Jun 2016 #7
Amen! sofa king Jun 2016 #11
I think the stupid here is different Cosmocat Jun 2016 #27
^^^ Very well said oswaldactedalone Jun 2016 #28
They are preparing the dinner table to eat...their own. GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #8
GOP pretending they are shocked, shocked, that there is gambling taking place here. TeamPooka Jun 2016 #12
there is another angle beyond rule changes.. getagrip_already Jun 2016 #16
Insightful. However, if that happens expect a lot of litigation against those delegates. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #21
perhaps.. getagrip_already Jun 2016 #23
There are two fundamental problems with this idea: brooklynite Jun 2016 #17
Trump may see it coming, but he is not a good organizer or planner. He wings it every day. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #22
also, what are they going to do with all those rabid Trump supporters? OKNancy Jun 2016 #25
Require him to reveal his taxes. Equinox Moon Jun 2016 #18
Yes, that's their best best to get him out. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #29
perfect LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #24
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Or, have him talk ...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016

for twenty minutes to a psychologist/psychiatrist ... asking about how his background and personal traits prepare him for the Presidency, then publish a transcript.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
26. That's a great idea
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Let's subject all of our elected officials to such an examination. The results would be revealing.

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
5. +10x
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

For anyone who has lived with someone with Alzheimer's dementia

the confused thinking, the confabulation (blending of ideas and time periods),
the rigidity are evident

combine with narcissism's total focus on self and the need to maintain power and
perceived sense of self-perfection

unmistakable

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
9. Right, he's totally going to cooperate with a request that has never been made of anyone before
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

Plus it would be so hard to find a doctor that would say whatever he was paid to say. Why not also suggest having him abducted by aliens? You'd have a similar probability of success.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Or, we could just have Don abducted by aliens, as suggested by anigbrowl.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jun 2016

But I like the idea of the Alzheimer's test first, to make sure won't remember what planet he's from and come back.

C_U_L8R

(44,983 posts)
10. Or demand his tax returns and financial statements
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

There's likely enough noxious stuff in there to snuff out any campaign.

thesquanderer

(11,970 posts)
14. Anyone who is still supporting Trump...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

...is not going to be dissuaded by anything in his tax returns.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
15. But, he can just say he forgot where they are due to dementia.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

Wish I had thought of that when the dog ate my homework.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,939 posts)
20. Con Don would FAIL a Security Clearance check. Better do now than after he is nominated
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

... when it may be too late.

tRump would blab some heavy secrets and make up more stuff and create a huge amount of trouble.

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
7. What Can Europe’s Far Right Tell Us About Trump’s Rise?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jun 2016

Yes, the GOP elites are worried because Trump does not bother to hide his hate with innuendos, but the Republican base loves his schtick and will turn out. Look at the rise of ultra-right nationalist figures in Europe. Why should the U.S. be any different?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-can-europes-far-right-tell-us-about-trumps-rise/

There have been many attempts to explain the rise of Donald Trump, focusing on economic frustration, racial resentment or a combination of the two. Now, as we transition from the primary season into the general election, there’s the added question of what his political legacy will be, both to the GOP and the nation in general. Will his nativist and anti-immigrant brand of populism become a historical footnote, or will it find a root in our two-party system?

Although there are many differences between political systems in Europe and those in the U.S., the rise of far-right parties in Europe provides perspective on the issues that drive nativism and its political staying power. Europe’s far-right parties often focus on restoring a national culture that predates the influence of immigrants (and sometimes of global multinational corporations); the preservation of jobs for native-born citizens who are part of majority cultures; and, at their most extreme, embrace notions of racial superiority and even neo-Nazism.

Different versions of the same broad issues are affecting politics both in the U.S. and in Europe, namely dissatisfaction with the economy and demographic change via immigration. The migrant crisis has been one prompt for the rise in nativist sentiment in Europe, with 1.3 million people from nations including Syria applying for asylum in the European Union in 2015 alone. Far-right parties — and even some more moderate politicians — criticize the resettlement of refugees as changing national character and bringing high financial costs.

Many of Europe’s far-right parties have been active since the 1970s, changing in level of support but weathering many economic cycles. Worth noting, however, is that these parties do experience a bump during and after economic downturns, according to a German study tracking far-right parties in more than 20 countries, in some cases with data from as far back as the 1870s.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
11. Amen!
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

Trump is popular with the knuckle-draggers because he's telling them exactly what they want to hear without the Gingrich-style doubletalk.

Stupid racists don't understand analogy and metaphor; they resent and distrust anything that requires imagination or creativity. They are tolerant of hypocrisy because their minds lack the finesse needed to understand why it's so harmful. They are attracted to rude, dominant personalities because they have to trust others to do their thinking for them.

Trump is just the first asshole on the public stage who didn't care about the repercussions of such vile hate speech and behavior. Now that he's been so successful, we shall never be rid of the Trump clones who follow in his effluvial wake.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
27. I think the stupid here is different
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jun 2016

than it is with this kind of stuff, normally.

IMO, while we are way too far in debt, our standard of living is so high, and we are so engrossed in self indulgence, conservatism here is more of a childlike selfishness than some reaction to the economy or past a superficial level, the integration of non-whites.

The gun issue highlights this point. They make it out to be rugged self defense and want to delude themselves into being some kind of great patriots like the founding fathers. But, guns are toys and collectibles to these idiots more than anything, and the whole indulgence into guns is ramped up by monied interests.

Watch them parade around in public with them. It isn't people in rag tag outfits with muskets, it is people in perfectly nice clothing, most often mock or actual military gear or some kind of bullshit confederate or country theme, with $1,000 guns that look as good as they day they were bought.

They are boys playing soldiers.

It all is just some selfish, self deluded, personal righteousness bullshit.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
8. They are preparing the dinner table to eat...their own.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

I can NOT wait for the meltdown that will be the RNC.

TeamPooka

(24,204 posts)
12. GOP pretending they are shocked, shocked, that there is gambling taking place here.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jun 2016

If you haven't seen Casablanca kids then ask your parents.

getagrip_already

(14,605 posts)
16. there is another angle beyond rule changes..
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

Trump has 1447 pledged delagates. He needs 1237 to get the nom on the first ballot.

BUT, if a pledged delagate doesn't vote, the vote isn't counted. They have to be there and vot. If they skip the vote, sorry, doesn't count, pledged or not.

So if just 211 pledged delegates take a power, it goes to a second round.

I think this is what they are angling for. They probably don't have the votes in the rules committee because cowards. But it isn't too a large number to simply go to a ball game.

getagrip_already

(14,605 posts)
23. perhaps..
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

but I suspect the only contract the delegates have is with the gop. The cheeto furor wouldn't have standing to sue them directly.

brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
17. There are two fundamental problems with this idea:
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

1) Republican leadership are cowards. They wouldn't try to take down Trump during the Primary; they definitely won't try in the Convention Hall, with the prospect of a walkout (or riot) on everyone's TV screen.

2) Pulling this off will require planning and organization. In other words, Trump will seek it coming weeks fore and will unleash his personal hell on the participants. In which case, see 1).

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,939 posts)
22. Trump may see it coming, but he is not a good organizer or planner. He wings it every day.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

Sure, he'll unleash his personal hellfire, and his rabid base, and probably run third party, but he could end up being denied the nomination.

A really well organized "GOP elite" effort can succeed at denying him, but the Party would permanently lose a chunk of their base.

Frankly, they are well advised to lose those losers. Get it over with and rebuild the GOP from scratch as a modern party. But chances are that they will mash it up.

However, chances are better that they will succeed at denying tRump. Those chances are rising but the task is far from accomplished.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
25. also, what are they going to do with all those rabid Trump supporters?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

They will riot at the convention or afterwards if Trump gets the boot.

The Republicans have made their bed and they are going to have to lie down with fleas. ( lol)

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