Trump questions Clinton’s religion

[DonViejo]

Source: The Hill

Donald Trump questioned Hillary Clinton’s commitment to her Christian faith on Tuesday, saying that little is known about her spiritual life even though she’s been in the public eye for decades.

Speaking to a group of top social conservative evangelical Christian leaders at a gathering in New York City, Trump said, “we don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion.”

“Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there,” Trump said. “There's like nothing out there. It's going to be an extension of Obama but it's going to be worse, because with Obama you had your guard up. With Hillary you don't, and it's going to be worse.”

The meeting was closed to the press but E.W. Webb, a faith leader on hand for the event, posted video of the remarks.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284281-trump-questions-clintons-religion

[trumad]

1. Well she does know a couple of Corinthians.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

7. Two Corinthians walk into a bar.

ETA: to my surprise, this is a Google thing. Search for hits for that phrase.

[rjsquirrel]

18. I just wish someone would ask him

why it's called "Second Corinthians" and what it contains.

You know he has no idea.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

31. It has something to do with the leather, right? NT

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

64. KHAAAAAN!!!11!

[whatthehey]

2. Well there's an interesting line of attack

For a serial adulterer who is biblically illiterate and said barely a word about religion before running for office.

[Auggie]

19. Don't be surprised to hear more crap along these lines.

[TeamPooka]

48. He thinks calling her a Muslim will work like they way he got Obama to resign.

not

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. You callin that asshat Trumpster fire a hypocrite?! haha, me too!

[smirkymonkey]

77. Exactly! He is in no position to be questioning anybody's faith.

I hope this backfires on him, he's getting careless.

[immoderate]

3. He doesn't know about 'the family?'

--imm

[99th_Monkey]

53. You Beat Me To It

For those who may not know
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

[TexasBushwhacker]

72. Ewww. Sounds like Trump would fit right in. N/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Says the guy who worships two gods:

His money and himself.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Not necessarily in that order!

[GreenPartyVoter]

66. True!

[cynzke]

5. NONE OF ANY BODY'S BUSINESS.

SHUT TFU!

[askeptic]

46. I Agree - No one's business

Although, I suspect it'll come out as quite mainstream. Trump always trying to create controversy so the press will pay attention to him and feed his narcissism...

[pnwmom]

6. He's the guy who tried to put money on a communion server.

What a strange tack for him to take, since Hillary's connection to the Methodist church is well known.

[MisterFred]

35. Only to people actually paying attention.

When I mention to people that Obama often references church and God guiding his policies and Clinton sometimes does the same + includes at least one God Bless America in just about every speech many simply refuse to believe I could be telling the truth.

I've also had a lot of people tell me, with zero sarcasm, that "politician X is incredibly brave to be so public about her/his Christian beliefs".

Total ignorance of how religion and politics actually works in this country.

[PatSeg]

8. Aha!

So she must be a secret Muslim just like Obama!!!

This is almost identical to the stuff he said about Obama. No one remembered him during his childhood or in college!!!

[yellowcanine]

13. "Muslim" and "Methodist" both start with "M" Of course so does "Mormon."

Oh well, he doesn't like Mitt either.

[PatSeg]

42. Oh yes, yes

I didn't even notice that! What else could it possibly mean???

You know, he comes up with the worst conspiracy theories I've ever heard. He doesn't even put any effort into them, much like his businesses and his campaign.

[lark]

9. Really, this is his attack line?

Well, Donald, I question whether you are a human being. There's no evidence that you are. All evidence points to you being racist, misogynistic, selfish dick and nothing more. There's no humanity involved with you whatsoever.

A persons' religion is none of our business, anyway.

[NWCorona]

10. Stupid move!

There's no denying Hillary's faith. My feelings are known about Clinton but I really respect how low key she is about her spirituality but doesn’t hide it either.

Trump on the other hand has been totally fake on this.

[Electric Monk]

26. Right on cue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512210644

[Maeve]

11. Um....a quick google gives the answer

First two responses

“Thank you for asking that. I am a person of faith. I am a Christian. I am a Methodist,” Clinton responded
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/05/06/3775910/hillary-clinton-faith-profile/

Hillary Clinton grew up in a Methodist household, she taught Methodist Sunday school like her mother, is a member of a Senate prayer group, and regularly attends the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington
http://atheism.about.com/od/hillaryclintonreligion/a/ClintonReligion.htm

[PJMcK]

47. Don't confuse The Donald with facts! (n/t)

[karynnj]

12. Hillary's methodist background and her deep interest in religion was written about in the 1990s

Here a detailed article from 1993 from Trump's hometown paper:

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/23/magazine/saint-hillary.html?pagewanted=all

(An interesting article )

[NoMoreRepugs]

14. I'm sure the yahoo Evangelicals slurped up every word of this baloney

[Eugene]

15. So much for the new, more presidential Trump. This week's intervention changed absolutely nothing.

Trump 2.0 didn't work and 2.1 appears to be misfiring. What's next?

[pnwmom]

16. From "Religion news": Hillary is "social gospel Methodist to the core"

Social gospel people are do-gooders who want to help the poor, cure the sick, etc.

http://religionnews.com/2016/01/29/hillary-clinton-religion-methodist/


She drew that tweet from a popular saying among Methodists: “Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can,” says Paul Kengor in his book “God and Hillary Clinton.”

As a girl, she was part of the guild that cleaned the altar at First United Methodist Church in Park Ridge, Ill. As a teen, she visited inner-city Chicago churches with the youth pastor, Don Jones, her spiritual mentor until his death in 2009. During her husband’s presidency, the first family worshipped at Washington’s Foundry United Methodist Church, and this fall she spoke at the church’s 200th anniversary. Time magazine described her membership in a bipartisan women’s prayer group organized by evangelicals.

SNIP

[Maeve]

21. Yeah, just the second largest Protestant denomination

No wonder Trumplethinskin never heard of them....

[ck4829]

17. "She could be a... Secret Muslim for all we know"

This needs to be called out for what it is, they are enabling paranoid delusions and that is dangerous. There is literally nothing Clinton or anyone can do that will appease Trump and his cohorts, same with Obama.

[shraby]

20. Since when has a religious test been put into the qualifications for president? Guess the

Donald doesn't know there is none.

[3catwoman3]

55. Maybe there should be.

Religious nut jobs should not be allowed to run.

[pnwmom]

24. Trump only worships himself. Hillary is not like him. n/t

[chernabog]

41. Money

The poster is talking about money, obviously.

[pnwmom]

43. I knew what he was trying to do. And no one here should be saying Hillary is like Trump. n/t

[chernabog]

45. .

[PJMcK]

49. In the spirit of the new DU/GE Edition...

... I'm going to give notadmbind the benefit of the doubt. He/she used a capital "G" which implies that their deity is the same, i.e., the Trinity of Christianity since both Secretary Clinton and Mr. Trump have said they're Christians. Were the intention to sarcastically refer to another all-powerful being, notadmbind would have used a lower-case "g" in spelling god.

But I could be wrong.

[PJMcK]

51. And I agree with your second sentence (n/t)

[bucolic_frolic]

23. Questioning a woman's religion

is like asking her weight.

Rude, insensitive, obnoxious.

She is married and has worked through her husband's troubles.

What more does the public need to know?

This is like fundamentalist delusional paranoid slut-shaming

[BlueMTexpat]

25. Keep it up, Don the Con!

Every time that you open your mouth, you demonstrate how abysmally unfit you are for ANY elective office, let alone POTUS!

[tonyt53]

27. it just means that she understands the separation of church and state better than Trump

[mountain grammy]

28. My evangelical family never have believed Obama is a Christian,

and I'm sure they don't believe Hillary is either. You have to be a conservative Republican to be a real Christian, dontchaknow! Anyone who voted for Obama isn't a Christian, I was told. No problem there, I'm an atheist.
The Donald knows who he's talking to; my relatives!

[elljay]

40. Yep

Saw my first Silicon Valley Trump sticker yesterday. It was on a pickup truck with about 4 or 5 Infowars stickers. He's playing to the people who seriously believe there are secret detention centers built under Texas Walmarts for when Obama comes to take their guns. It is a waste of oxygen to try to reason with those people.

[CincyDem]

29. Next step..."ya know, she could be a moosilm...I don't know...I'm just sayin'".

what an asshat. As much as I would hope just for the entertainment that he survives the convention, with shit like this you have to believe even the republicans are smart enough to dump him.

[Renew Deal]

30. Hillary is a muslin!

[Maeve]

39. The fabric of our lives....eom

[GliderGuider]

60. If Hillary really was a muslin, the satin-worshipers would never giver her the nomination! nt

[Odin2005]

74. Half-breed muslin!

THE HORROR!

[underpants]

32. Donald Trump and 2 Corinthians walk into a bar

and Donald says, "How's Joe Paterno?"*

*actual Trump quote made in Pittsburgh (Pitt and Penn State were huge rivals) about the now dead Ped Stare coach after describing/dismissing the kid rapes as "that whole thing".

[obamanut2012]

33. She is a Methodist, and has talked about her faith

Moreso than I like, although they all do it more than I like.

[SpankMe]

34. Hillary was part of a largely Republican prayer group when she was in the Senate

From here: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/11/take-two-hillarys-choice/305292/

One spring Wednesday, a few months into the term, Senator Sam Brownback’s turn came to lead the group, and he rose intending to talk about a recent cancer scare. But as he stood before his colleagues Brownback spotted Clinton, and was overcome with the impulse to change the subject of his testimony. “I came here today prepared to share about this experience in my life that has caused great suffering, the result of which has deepened my faith,” Brownback said, according to someone who watched the scene unfold. “But I’m overcome now with only one thought.” He confessed to having hated Clinton and having said derogatory things about her. Through God, he now recognized his sin. Then he turned to her and asked, “Mrs. Clinton, will you forgive me?” Clinton replied that she would, and that she appreciated the apology.

“It was an extraordinary moment,” the member told me.

Senate Republicans asked Hillary for forgivness for hating her when she joined this prayer group. Whether genuine or not, Hillary's far more qualified in personal religious matters than Creep Trump. I can't think of a time when he went to church.

[pnwmom]

37. Hillary's Methodist faith is genuine and goes back to her high school days

when her youth pastor got them all involved in social justice issues -- like hearing Martin Luther King speak.

Much of her networking in the south -- the networking that pushed her ahead of her primary opponents -- was through Churches there.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. Rich man, Needle, Camel

Ironically, found at the FReak show site, officially tRump huggers, emphasis added:

God's Choice of the Poor
| 1993 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 2016-06-21, 2:51:54 PM by metmom

"Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man" (James 2:5-6).

Showing favoritism to the rich is inconsistent with God’s choice of the poor.

Wealth and poverty are not necessarily spiritual issues. Many wealthy people are godly Christians and many poor people are unbelievers. But generally speaking, God has chosen poor people to populate His kingdom. Jesus said, "It is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easer for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Matt. 19:23-24). That's because rich people tend to be bound to this world and have a false sense of security. Many of them not only reject Christ, but also persecute believers (cf. James 2:6-7).

Regardless of your financial status, if you love God, you are rich in faith and an heir of His kingdom (James 2:5). That means you're saved and will inherit the fullness of your salvation and the richness of God's eternal blessing. That's a marvelous truth!

Don't let riches cloud your good judgment. God expects Christians to honor and care for their poorer brothers and sisters in Christ. You can't do that if you're showing partiality to the rich.

Suggestions for Prayer

If God has blessed you with more resources than you need, be grateful and ready always to share with those in need (1 Tim. 6:19). If you struggle to get by, thank Him for what He does provide and for teaching you greater dependence on Him.

For Further Study

Read 1 Timothy 6:6-19.

What is God's standard of contentment? What pitfalls await those who desire wealth? What constitutes true riches?

Trump should read James 2.

Republicans generally don't have a clue about Jesus.

(Note: I am a rationalist and an atheist.)

[Eric J in MN]

38. When I used to listen to Trump as a guest on 'The Howard Stern Show' in the 1990s

...Trump would talk about dating models. I didn't foresee that he'd be holier-than-thou someday.

Regarding HRC, reporter Jennifer Epstein tweeted a couple of weeks ago, "If it's Sunday, it's Hillary Clinton at church. Today: Oakland's Greater St. Paul Baptist Church."

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/739525860277911552

[TeamPooka]

44. says the guy who never says "God bless you, God bless America." in his speeches.

Because God would strike him dead if he name drops Him.

[SeattleVet]

50. tRump, that great Constitutional scholar?

(Shut the fuck up, Donnie...)

US Constitution, Article 6, third clause:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

[6chars]

52. The wheels are definitely coming off the bus

[pampango]

54. "... because with Obama you had your guard up." Why was that, Donald? Because he's black?

Because he is a 'secret Muslim"? Exactly why was our "guard up" with Obama?

[Person 2713]

56. Lest anyone forget he is a long time birther.....

[IronLionZion]

59. I heard she's a muslim from Kenya

[left-of-center2012]

61. Next he'll want to see her birth certificate n/t

[Politicub]

62. Trump is one bizarre person

The fact that he has any followers says more about the state of our education system than anything.

[olddad56]

76. I question is Trump is even human being.

[elleng]

63. And we REALLY want to know about tramp's 'religion,'

right???

[keithbvadu2]

65. Trump is a political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

Trump is a political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

The Donald who does not have to ask God for forgiveness.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

[tclambert]

67. What Trump means is Hillary refuses to worship him.

Unlike his fan base of Trump lickers.

[riversedge]

68. Even by Trump standards, his decision to pick a fight over Hillary Clinton's religious faith is bonk

Good tweet---and true!


?@elizabeth28536

Even by Donald Trump standards, his decision to pick a fight over Hillary Clinton's religious faith is bonkers.

[RussBLib]

69. and THIS is a Manafort talking point

"It's going to be an extension of Obama but it's going to be worse, because with Obama you had your guard up. With Hillary you don't, and it's going to be worse.”

Be prepared to hear this A LOT.

[Night Watchman]

70. She's a Moooslem! From Mexico!

[jmowreader]

71. 2 Corinthans isn't the one they should be reading

Try 1 Corinthians 5.9-13.

[Odin2005]

73. You can't make this shit up.

[Bradical79]

75. Mathew 6:6?

"5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard.…"

Kind of insulting to Pagans, but I think it's pretty clear how this applies to Trump and his evangelical "friends". I'm an atheist, but calling out someone as un-Christian for not being agressively public about their religion seems pretty un-Christian itself, from what I recall.