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TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:00 PM Jun 2016

Michael Jackson Stockpiled Child Porn and Animal Torture Photos

Source: Huffington Post

"Police discovered Michael Jackson had a large collection of pornography, which included images of children, animal torture and gore, reportedly used in his bid to seduce young boys. The collection was revealed in newly surfaced documents obtained by RadarOnline that detail a raid on Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch estate in 2003, carried out as part of an investigation into child molestation charges against the singer.

According to previously unseen reports from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department, authorities seized more than 80 video recordings and computer hard drives, as well as notes, diaries, documents, photographs and audiotapes."



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michael-jackson-stockpiled-child-porn-animal-torture-photos-according-to-newly-surfaced-report_us_5769644fe4b0a75709b7d847??te=TMZ



Why is this in the news now?
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Michael Jackson Stockpiled Child Porn and Animal Torture Photos (Original Post) TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 OP
Things I never needed to know.......... peace13 Jun 2016 #1
Jackson was one sick man: He should have never been near children lewebley3 Jun 2016 #13
Agree. peace13 Jun 2016 #15
We can only hope at least SOME of the money went to paying for therapy sessions for those kids. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #81
Even had pictures of animal torture TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #16
me 2 exactly MFM008 Jun 2016 #31
Very disturbing. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #35
He was victimized himself by a pathological society & father lostnfound Jun 2016 #62
There were dozens of children who were much bigger celebrities that he was lunamagica Jun 2016 #65
There's no excuse for turning a child into a freak served up for entertainment either lostnfound Jun 2016 #79
sorry, the original protection bill happened in 1939 as a result of what happened niyad Jun 2016 #72
That is no excuse for an adult who victimized dozens of children GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #82
Agree... MJ was sick sick sick. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #40
not lbn. its not even n nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
Except for the fact that an awfully long time to keep details of a raid quiet. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #5
It's breaking all over the media TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #6
news you don't want to hear doesn't keep it from being news- snooper2 Jun 2016 #39
When he died, a few posters upbraided me for pointedly non-mourning his passing. msanthrope Jun 2016 #3
i was upbraided for saying opiates made sense in Prince's death maxsolomon Jun 2016 #18
I think you hit the nail on the head....MJ was an adept manipulator. msanthrope Jun 2016 #20
I got a post hidden for expressing that view, that he had an addiction problem. MADem Jun 2016 #69
I remember his death PatSeg Jun 2016 #19
Do you remember the Princess Diana coverage? adigal Jun 2016 #99
Yes, Princess Diana was another one PatSeg Jun 2016 #102
stockpiled sounds like he was a survivalist prepper... Javaman Jun 2016 #4
An adept one.....that's some serious grooming material. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #7
Other news sites are going into more detail TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #12
Unless someone recently filed a lawsuit it isn't news. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #8
It's "breaking" all over the web TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #10
That was not my thoughts as a host but my thoughts regarding your question in the OP. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #22
Ok. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #56
Social media gives bored people an avenue of discussion for closeupready Jun 2016 #17
That's all it is but I have a problem with it if the victims are named. They've suffered too much. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #24
I don't think they are named. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #26
Well, those things were found at his home christx30 Jun 2016 #86
Social media gossip is cheap and easy; you simply post smears anonymously, closeupready Jun 2016 #89
If this evidence was suppressed when it should have come out in his trial muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #21
So why was he never charged for that? bluestateguy Jun 2016 #9
What were child pornography laws like back then? TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #11
Same as now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #23
True that. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #25
There was a Child Pornography Protection Act of 1996 OnlinePoker Jun 2016 #27
Thanks! nt TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #29
Money and celebrity. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #14
Yep... KansDem Jun 2016 #28
Well, the books weren't considered child pornography Bradical79 Jun 2016 #67
Well that was BS. DaDeacon Jun 2016 #30
Many of the photographs were from titled books TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #32
As I said, "gossip". And he can't defend himself, so cheap entertainment closeupready Jun 2016 #33
Hey there up on that high horse. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #34
One would think that the most common of sense LanternWaste Jun 2016 #50
Hi! TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #52
So true. I had "trash canned" this thread without reading it, but dug it out to see who posted it. Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #38
it's been all over the news Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2016 #36
I bet Limbaugh has a similar collection. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #37
What purpose does this provide to anyone 16 years later BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #41
I agree with you. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #45
Sad indeed... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #77
Have to agree. Not much of a fan, but people should be considered innocent until harun Jun 2016 #100
If true, that's sick. WhoWoodaKnew Jun 2016 #42
Yeesh, no wonder he needed propofol to go to sleep MowCowWhoHow III Jun 2016 #43
This might not be true vdogg Jun 2016 #44
Read that again. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #48
OK what I want to know? cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #46
That's what I want to know. TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #49
With enough money and celebrity, you can christx30 Jun 2016 #58
Isn't he still dead? why do we care about this crap? olddad56 Jun 2016 #47
If his prosecution was mishandled, those responsible need to be held accountable. Ash_F Jun 2016 #63
I have a sister that still doesn't believe any thing like this. He was a disgusting creature tonyt53 Jun 2016 #51
So he had a ranch full of animals where he entertained children milestogo Jun 2016 #53
I recall this information was news years ago... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #54
Just going through the process of being groomed TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #55
Very true - nt Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #57
Something similar.... reACTIONary Jun 2016 #59
I'm so glad your parents TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #60
Nothing much to do today eh? CountAllVotes Jun 2016 #61
I presume we'll be seeing some police detectives up on charges for NOT filing charges... Shandris Jun 2016 #64
This seems contrary to the DA's case The Second Stone Jun 2016 #66
The article is calling something child porn that wasn't child porn Bradical79 Jun 2016 #68
I don't believe the child pornography laws OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #91
He collected painting and reproductions of putti - elehhhhna Jun 2016 #101
Yes, Renaissance-era paintings are different. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #106
My mother has cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #103
Many parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles have such pictures. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #105
Yeah, that DA had it in for him BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #70
Fuck that freak piece of shit Reter Jun 2016 #71
I never could understand his celebrity, and always thought he was extremely strange. niyad Jun 2016 #73
You never could understand his celebrity? oberliner Jun 2016 #74
so? wasn't groundbreaking music or anything else. niyad Jun 2016 #83
His music was beloved by 100s of millions of people around the world spanning multiple generations oberliner Jun 2016 #84
which simply proves p. t. barnum's assertion. niyad Jun 2016 #85
You never heard of The Jackson 5? BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #93
Nah. I'm still alive and no one thinks I rape children, so I win. REP Jun 2016 #98
MJ was a creepy dude but this is silly XemaSab Jun 2016 #75
Why are you repeating it and posting it here if you wonder why it is News? Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #76
gossip sensationalist clickbait , JI7 Jun 2016 #78
I believe the word for this is "clickbait". Ken Burch Jun 2016 #80
That is definitely not the word for this oberliner Jun 2016 #87
To clairify where I'm coming from here...if true, this is obviously a horrific reveal... Ken Burch Jun 2016 #104
Kids need to be taught libodem Jun 2016 #88
And if they had this data, why no procecution? blackspade Jun 2016 #90
Payouts in the millions? TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #92
Um, this wasn't just someone on facebook saying christx30 Jun 2016 #94
Two things: 1) Huffington Post is an internet gossip tabloid founded by a Republican; closeupready Jun 2016 #95
People still defend this creature? spiderpig Jun 2016 #96
Look over there! Not here! librechik Jun 2016 #97
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
81. We can only hope at least SOME of the money went to paying for therapy sessions for those kids.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jun 2016

All of them will need to be watched carefully for the rest of their lives as a result of this.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
16. Even had pictures of animal torture
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

Ick.

I always vacillated between hurting, gentle soul and sick pervert, but if all this is true, I'm not vacillating anymore.

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
62. He was victimized himself by a pathological society & father
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:32 PM
Jun 2016

Such a small child under pressure as a celebrity back before there were protections for child actors.. Stardom is perverse and evil thing to inflict on a developing small psyche.

And he is dead now.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
65. There were dozens of children who were much bigger celebrities that he was
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jun 2016

before there were protections for child actors. From Jackie Cooper and Shirley Temple -a true child superstar. Judy Garland dealt by hurting herself, but AFAIK never hurt anyone else.

And of course, there are children who grow up under much, much worse circumstances than being "victimized by celebrity".

There's no excuse for hurting others...none.

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
79. There's no excuse for turning a child into a freak served up for entertainment either
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jun 2016

I'm not excusing him.
But I don't excuse the shallow culture that failed to recognize the bizarre nature of its celebrity fixation and its impact on a small child.
Psychologically damaging. Some turn to suicide or drugs.
I'm not sure if what they are saying here is true, either. The man's not here to defend himself.

niyad

(112,425 posts)
72. sorry, the original protection bill happened in 1939 as a result of what happened
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jun 2016

to jackie coogan. the bill has been updated a number of times.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
82. That is no excuse for an adult who victimized dozens of children
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jun 2016

Why do rich adult felons have excuses and "childhood issues" but poor people are just "criminals" ?

Jackson's behavior was enabled by the paid-off star struck parents of his victims and by his fans who refused to see the obvious (and refused to read the Vanity Fair article).

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
6. It's breaking all over the media
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

And now there are detailed accounts of what was found.

Really, really sickening. I just don't understand why "the public" didn't have access to this before.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
39. news you don't want to hear doesn't keep it from being news-
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jun 2016

You ever respond to replies by the way?

maxsolomon

(32,975 posts)
18. i was upbraided for saying opiates made sense in Prince's death
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jun 2016

when TMZ interviewed his fentanyl dealer.

pop stars get the benefit of the doubt. until they don't. Jackson's damaged-manchild demeanor and talent generated huge amounts of sympathy for him. hell, I still feel like he'd still be here if his family and religion hadn't F'd him up and just let him accept he was a gay man who liked twinks.

no one stepped up to defend gary glitter, though...

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. I think you hit the nail on the head....MJ was an adept manipulator.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jun 2016

Playing the victim, and making money off of that took true predatory instinct and intent.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. I got a post hidden for expressing that view, that he had an addiction problem.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jun 2016

I actually got the "How DARE you..." like I was calling a saint a sinner, or sommething.

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
19. I remember his death
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

was news 24/7 for several days. Apparently nothing else was happening in the world. It really pissed me off at the time. Even if there weren't a lot of questions about his relationships with young children, why on earth should a pop star get that kind of media attention. I just turned the crap off.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
99. Do you remember the Princess Diana coverage?
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:26 AM
Jun 2016

It was as if the President or Pope died.

We worship celebrity. It's sick - and while I always thought MIchael Jackson was sick yet innocent, I'm disgusted at his behavior. No excuse for harming innocent kids or animals. Bastard.

PatSeg

(46,773 posts)
102. Yes, Princess Diana was another one
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

Reporting the death of a famous person with basic details is understandable, but replaying the same information and video clips all day long is lazy journalism. If people want to know more, they can buy a tell-all biography or pick up a tabloid newspaper.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
12. Other news sites are going into more detail
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

Really disgusting and I don't recommend reading for anyone who is squeamish.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
10. It's "breaking" all over the web
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

Is there a reason why this new information (news?) isn't appropriate for this forum?

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
22. That was not my thoughts as a host but my thoughts regarding your question in the OP.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jun 2016

I don't understand why it is breaking now.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
17. Social media gives bored people an avenue of discussion for
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jun 2016

gossiping about celebrities, and particularly about celebrities who can not defend themselves. Cheap entertainment.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
86. Well, those things were found at his home
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jun 2016

during a police raid. He wasn't arrested for possession of it. He didn't have a trial and go to prison like anyone else in the country would. So he doesn't need to defend himself. His money and celebrity were defense enough.
I guess no one wanted to be the one to arrest Michael Jackson for possession of child pornography.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
89. Social media gossip is cheap and easy; you simply post smears anonymously,
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

even without a shred of proof, and voila, let the fun begin!

I guess facts and truth don't matter to you. Which is typical of DU's membership today, but fine. I am not going to tangle with you, but I do now see that there are plenty of others here who see what goes on in threads on DU as mere Daily-Mail-school GOSSIP, not as serious discussion. So that's a win, in my view, for fairness.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
21. If this evidence was suppressed when it should have come out in his trial
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

then it's news. The police responsible for that may still be working, even if they haven't yet been sued.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
9. So why was he never charged for that?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

He was charged with child molestation in 2005, presumably after this raid when the CP was found. Why was he not charged then? Th

OnlinePoker

(5,702 posts)
27. There was a Child Pornography Protection Act of 1996
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jun 2016

This was struck down in 2002 by the Supreme Court on 1st amendment grounds as being too broad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Pornography_Prevention_Act_of_1996

It was followed up by the PROTECT Act of 2003, passed into law in April 2003 and signed by Bush on April 30th. The raid on Neverland happened in November 2003 so this act should have been in force at that time. I'm sure there must have been material that could have been applicable to this act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
28. Yep...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

We create gods out of fellow mortals because they and sing and dance, or throw a ball and jump high.

Never did understand why...

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
67. Well, the books weren't considered child pornography
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jun 2016

They were art books that weren't considered illegal. Some certainly were disturbing, but it wasn't against the law to own them. Also, I'd heard he had a tendency to buy massive amounts of books in estate sales, so I guess it would have been difficult to prove he sout these books out specifically beyond a reasonable doubt if they were illegal. Basically, the case against Jackson involved a lot of circumstantial (but not illegal) stuff that made it look like he was likely a paedophile, but there was no concrete proof of him comitting any crime.

 

DaDeacon

(984 posts)
30. Well that was BS.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016

If you actually bother clicking over to RadarOnline (which I don't really recommend because that was the point of this whole BS slander campaign), you'll see this in one of the top comments:

Update (June 21, 10:10 A.M.): A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department gave Vanity Fair the following statement regarding the documents:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff’s Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff’s Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.


So just "he said she said" !

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
32. Many of the photographs were from titled books
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jun 2016

so, yes, I do believe they could have been taken off the internet or copied from a book, since the books were named and the photographs were described in the report.

Is the copy of the report a fake, too? Your excerpt doesn't appear to suggest that.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
34. Hey there up on that high horse.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

I happen to have a very personal reason for caring about the victims of pedophiles and pederasts, so, yeah, this story interests me, although "sickens me" would be a better choice of words.

Don't click if you're not interested.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. One would think that the most common of sense
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

"Don't click if you're not interested..."

One would think that the most common of sense, leading me to believe the high-horse is in fact, giraffe-like in scale if not grace.

Judi Lynn

(160,211 posts)
38. So true. I had "trash canned" this thread without reading it, but dug it out to see who posted it.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jun 2016

The news is that anyone would want to start a conversation with this.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
36. it's been all over the news
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3651294/Michael-Jackson-underage-sex-collection-photos-naked-teenage-boys-male-erotica-depicting-men-children-detailed-newly-released-police-report-2003-search-Neverland-Ranch.html

Michael Jackson underage sex collection: The photos of naked teenage boys and 'all-male erotica depicting men and children' detailed in newly released police report from 2003 search of Neverland Ranch
The police report from the 2003 search of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch has been released
The police report claims that in Jackson's bedroom and bathroom alone there were at least seven collections of work with nude teenage boys
'He also had disgusting and downright shocking images of child torture, adult and child nudity, and sadomasochism,' said one investigator
The report states that many of the materials featuring naked men and women could be used to groom and then molest young children
He was accused of sexually assaulting Gavin Arvizo, a 13-year-old cancer survivor at the time of the alleged incidents
Jackson was acquitted in 2005 on seven felony counts of child molestation and two felony counts of providing an intoxicant to a minor

By Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com

Published: 18:12 EST, 20 June 2016 | Updated: 20:57 EST, 20 June 2016











Michael Jackson was found to have a sizable collection of pornographic material at his Neverland Ranch in 2003 according to police reports cataloging the property following a search of the residence.

Many of these books and videos are also detailed in court papers from the time, submitted after a young boy came forward claiming that he had been sexually abused and assaulted by the singer on multiple occasions.

The police report claims that in Jackson's bedroom and bathroom alone there were at least seven collections of work found by investigators that show boys in their teenage years - and in some cases younger - fully nude or partially clothed.

One of the collections, Taormina Wilhelm Von Gloeden, is described in court papers as: 'Nude photos of teenage boys from late 1800s.'

The search of the home occurred in November of that year while Jackson was in Las Vegas, with 70 members of the Santa Barbara County District Attorney's Office and Sheriff's Department turning up to the residence.

An arrest warrant had been issued at that time as well, and Jackson later turned himself into police when he returned to California.





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BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
41. What purpose does this provide to anyone 16 years later
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jun 2016

other than to hurt and humiliate his children? A bunch of bullshit to get clicks and ratings by continuing a decades long smear against a rich dead black man.

harun

(11,348 posts)
100. Have to agree. Not much of a fan, but people should be considered innocent until
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:02 AM
Jun 2016

proven guilty.

Guy lived a weird life compared to most other people, but that isn't a crime.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
44. This might not be true
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

Update (June 21, 10:10 A.M.): A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department gave Vanity Fair the following statement regarding the documents:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff’s Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff’s Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/06/michael-jackson-police-reports-pornography-collection

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
48. Read that again.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

"Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel"

They are not denying that this isn't a copy of the actual report.

And in papers filed with the court, the books with the photos were clearly titled and the pictures were described. If these are copies of the actual documents from the Sheriff's office, it would be quite easy to find the books mentioned in the documents, and copy the pictures.

I saw the photo of Jon Benet Ramsey, and recognized it from the description in the report. The photo wasn't pornographic, but it was creepy.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
46. OK what I want to know?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

Is if they had all this evidence from the raid, was it admitted into evidence at trial? If not why not? If so, how could the jury have found him not guilty? After the not guilty charge, why not charge him for the child porn? And why are we just hearing about this now? There are a lot of unanswered questions to this story.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
63. If his prosecution was mishandled, those responsible need to be held accountable.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jun 2016

That said, I'll wait for confirmation that is even true.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
53. So he had a ranch full of animals where he entertained children
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jun 2016

but he amused himself with photos of child porn and animal torture.

What an elaborate cover.

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
54. I recall this information was news years ago...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

...nude photos and pornography. Neither are always problems, but this description of the material reveals a serious problem. Having photos of adult men and children younger than teenagers, gore photos and torture are truly sick. And, it's not normal for men to sleep with underage boys on a regular basis when you have a mansion full of sleeping options. There is no excuse. How horrible for those who adored him... Child abuse does not have to involve penetration. Any sexual act is abuse and can hurt for a lifetime. Showing these pictures is also abusive. I'm sorry Michael was so troubled, but even sorrier for his victims.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
55. Just going through the process of being groomed
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jun 2016

can lead to scars for a lifetime.

Someone I love was being groomed as a young teen, but he managed to figure out what was happening before a physical assault took place. It was very difficult to extricate himself because his mom would ask why he was no longer engaging in a particular activity with this man that he had previously enjoyed. He was ashamed to tell her.

It scarred him for years.

reACTIONary

(5,749 posts)
59. Something similar....
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

.... but a lot less serrious happened to me. I displayed reluctance and my parents picked up on it right away. They made a few phone calls and the situation was "resolved" pretty quickly.

CountAllVotes

(20,854 posts)
61. Nothing much to do today eh?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

Try watching FAUX news for an update on this.

MJ was acquitted by a jury of his peers.

This is NOT LATE BREAKING NEWS, it is mindless gossip!

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
64. I presume we'll be seeing some police detectives up on charges for NOT filing charges...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jun 2016

...with the alleged (because I don't believe the first word of this entire article) materials, right? No? Why not?

Sure thing, Medes. Nice date.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
66. This seems contrary to the DA's case
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

against Michael Jackson, and if there was a trove of child porn, he would have been charged with the crime. Or the DA was incompetent beyond belief. Why wouldn't charges have been brought?

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
68. The article is calling something child porn that wasn't child porn
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jun 2016

at least legally. They were "art" books of which some involved partially clothed or nude children. He may well have been using the material in that way, but they couldn't prove it and just having the material was not illegal acording to the report. Most of this seems like old news with a tabloid spin on it.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
91. I don't believe the child pornography laws
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jun 2016

have an "art" exception. Books of photos of nude teens and children are considered pornography. Only adults can give consent to be photographed nude or performing sex acts, which is why in movies about teens coming of age, the "teens" are always played by actors 18 or older.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
101. He collected painting and reproductions of putti -
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jun 2016

Naked baby angels. Legit renaissance art. Whether he bought it for artistic value or for tittilation, well we can assume...

But it's not porn. That's the only reason I can think of for not charging him w child porn possession.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
106. Yes, Renaissance-era paintings are different.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jun 2016

As are cartoons, drawings or paintings that did not make use of actual nude children. In fact, if I recall correctly the Supreme Court even found that altered nude photos of adults that have been computer enhanced to make them appear to be pubescent and pre-pubescent are perfectly acceptable and not illegal. Yuck. I think that is gross and just promotes actual kiddie porn, pervs have free speech rights too was the reasoning.

Posing actual nude children for photography is another matter.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
103. My mother has
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

a nude picture of me laying in a baby bathtub. I don't consider it porn. I was probably 5 or 6 months old at the time.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
105. Many parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles have such pictures.
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jun 2016

So does my mom. My comment was not about what people actually do, but about what the law is.

This type of law why some teens who have "sexted" each other nude photos of themselves (not performing sex acts -- just nudity) have been arrested for and in at least once case I know of, convicted of possessing and distributing child pornography due to the photos being found on their phones and for further circulating such photos.

Perhaps laws need to change with the times, but I am just stating some facts from some jurisdictions.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
70. Yeah, that DA had it in for him
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jun 2016

This was 10 years after the initial child abuse allegation, and Michael settled. Surely Sneddon would have used this during evidence during the trial, if it's really there.

Must have been a slow news day for this shit to be "all over the internet."

niyad

(112,425 posts)
73. I never could understand his celebrity, and always thought he was extremely strange.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jun 2016

worse than even I thought, apparently. (wonder what elizabeth taylor would have said. I know they were very close)

the seemingly unending adulation on his death was more than sickening.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
84. His music was beloved by 100s of millions of people around the world spanning multiple generations
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016

His celebrity is probably the easiest to understand of just about any celebrity in modern history. He was massively popular and his music was beloved around the world. He had an iconic style and was an outstanding showman. The videos of his songs from Thriller transformed the industry and he completely captured the attention of the world at the time.

niyad

(112,425 posts)
85. which simply proves p. t. barnum's assertion.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

and, even if everything you say is true, that did not warrant 24/7 coverage on seemingly every station for weeks on end. there were other events happening, things that affected us.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
93. You never heard of The Jackson 5?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

Michael was a very talented singer/dancer (just because you may not like his kind of music is only your personal choice, it does not mean that he had no talent). I can't speak about the pedophile charges. I wasn't there, and neither were you. What I do know is that he was found innocent on all counts by a jury of his peers, and I tend to agree with them.
I also suspect that lots of people like Michael are easy targets for grifters. He liked to hang out with children, because he was working from the age of 5, and BOOM he's suspected of being a pedophile. People who are different are called "extremely strange" by a judgmental public who eschew everything and everyone out of the ordinary. People who are different are hounded by bullies all their lives. Michael was a famous, rich black man, so the bullies in this case are a bit different. They ended up hounding him to death.

I still like listening to his music, and probably always will. Others are more fanatical in their admiration. So what? The fact he is still loved and admired severely pisses off those who never liked him in the first place. To that I say, "Ha ha, assholes, you lose!"

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
75. MJ was a creepy dude but this is silly
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jun 2016

First of all, the pron allegations are not new.

He had mainstream adult magazines, books, and videos. He also had books with naked people, including children, in non-pron settings. I got the impression that one of the books was slightly kinky, but not even to the level of 50 Shades.

We've known this. It's not news.

The police report says nothing about torture pron or animal abuse.

I think he was a total pedo and very creepy, but the allegations of torture pron don't seem to have a source.

You want weird shit, this was in the room he died in:

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
80. I believe the word for this is "clickbait".
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jun 2016

(Not that this isn't sickening OR, for that matter totally surprising, but it's only being published now because it will get people to go to the site).

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
87. That is definitely not the word for this
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jun 2016

With clickbait, they tease you without giving you the facts, so if you want to find out what the article is about, you have to click on the link.

Clickbait would be something like:

"Shocking New Revelations about Michael Jackson - You Won't Believe What's Been Found"

This, on the other hand, is an actual headline to an article that accurately tells you in the headline what information is contained within the body of the article.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
104. To clairify where I'm coming from here...if true, this is obviously a horrific reveal...
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jun 2016

And these things should have been admitted as evidence at the trial.

I was calling it clickbait because it seemed cynical to me that, years after Michael Jackson's death, there is a real question in my mind as to the actual newsworthiness of this story.

In the sense that it is the kind of thing a website would post just to get people to click on the story, I saw it as clickbait.

It was not about minimizing how sickening and disturbing this information is.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
94. Um, this wasn't just someone on facebook saying
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jun 2016

"I heard this about Michael Jackson." This is a report from the Huffington Post based on police reports from authorities that were on that raid. Are the police lying? They just decided to gang up on this guy for no reason?
Or did they find crap the pervert was into and choose not to prosecute him for it like they would have with anyone else?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
95. Two things: 1) Huffington Post is an internet gossip tabloid founded by a Republican;
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

and 2) the police never lie about anything.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
96. People still defend this creature?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

The parents who took payoffs ought to be publically shamed too.

I know plenty of people who had horrible childhoods and managed to live productive adult lives despite their abuse. MJ was a predator. End of sentence.

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