Cornwall votes for Brexit then pleads to keep EU funding

[cstanleytech]

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Source: http://www.independent.co.uk

The Cornish council has issued a plea for “protection” following the United Kingdom’s vote to leave the European Union.

Cornwall, which has a poor economy and as such has received millions of pounds in subsidies from the EU each year for over a decade, voted decisively to Leave.

But this money is now threatened following the severing of ties with the EU.

John Pollard, the leader of Cornwall council said: “Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations.


Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html

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All actions have consequences and sadly I fear that the citizens of Cornwall are about to learn that lesson in a most unwelcome manner unless they got it in writing that the UK government has agreed to provide atleast the same amount of funds that the EU had been providing to the area.

[oasis]

1. Brexit Remorse

[rurallib]

2. seems to be a huge outbreak of that today

[cstanleytech]

5. Yup but the UK might have an out over this vote though according to

http://www.businessinsider.com/green-eu-referendum-not-legally-binding-brexit-2016-6
A really crucial detail about the upcoming EU referendum has gone virtually unmentioned, and it is probably the most crucial detail: Parliament doesn't actually have to bring Britain out of the EU if the public votes for it.

That is because the result of the June 23 referendum on Britain's EU membership is not legally binding. Instead, it is merely advisory, and, in theory, could be totally ignored by the UK government.



The UK government that emerges from this would be well advised to step in and tell the voters "NO" to exiting the EU.

[DinahMoeHum]

8. Emphasis on NOT LEGALLY BINDING.

n/t

[oasis]

9. The "Palin/Trump" types over there would raise a terrible stink if

"the will of the people" was set aside by the "elites".

[cstanleytech]

11. Hey if they cant think of things like the consequences of pulling out of the EU or

that this vote might not be legally binding on the government that is their own fault for not doing the research.

[Akicita]

27. And the non-Palin/Trump types would be overjoyed if the will of the people is ignored by the elites?

That damned Democracy thing. We must be rid of it.

[reACTIONary]

39. The will of the people....

..... is a largely metaphorical entity, and is often more subject to change than an individual's will. And change often is precipitated by experience , hense the phenomenon of remorse.

The people can change their minds and that can be reflected in many ways, including representive governance.

[Lordquinton]

17. The damage is done though

they shocked the world economy, and the EU might force it to prevent it from happening again. If a major state can cause a global economic crisis by just acting tough like this, then they need to be held accountable, not let go with no consequences. And like every major financial crisis there will be the 1%ers who are making out like bandits right now, Money doesn't just disappear, it goes somewhere.

[dixiegrrrrl]

43. Talk already is about Greece, Spain and maybe Italy thinking about it. n/t

[Lordquinton]

45. I read about France

And how they are in the horrible position of hoping that England crashes and burns so they don't have their far right facissists seizing power and doing the same.

[dixiegrrrrl]

46. Did you read about France threatening England with immigration overflow if Brexit passed?

France said they would stop halting immigrants at the Chunnel and ferries, allowing thousands of refugees access to Britain.

and now, Brexit has passed.

Since the vote was non-binding, it is will be interesting to see what happens next. Will France continue guarding access until Parliament votes, etc.

[pampango]

62. "Far-right leader Marine Le Pen is so pleased about Brexit, she wants Frexit (French exit of course)

The National Front leader now hopes to use it as a springboard to get France to leave too.

She has called for a referendum on French membership, calling for a Frexit.

French President Francois Hollande has been holding talks with opposition groups to try and consolidate the country’s position in the EU.

Le Pen tweeted after the Brexit result was announced that it was a ‘victory for freedom’. Le Pen, who is expected to stand in next year’s Presidential elections, says the EU is bad for jobs and argued that it is allowing criminals into the country.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/far-right-leader-marine-le-pen-is-so-pleased-about-brexit-she-wants-frexit-5966960/

Le Pen forgot to add that some of the people the EU is allowing into France are 'good people, I assume'. Hey if you are going to imitate Trump's infamous assessment of immigrants from Mexico, you have to remember to use his throw-away line at the end of the statement.

French Prime Minister François Hollande meets Marine Le Pen to discuss Brexit fallout

http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/a7bba1ca-655a-4311-88d1-a71a26a7ea9f.img
François Hollande met Marine Le Pen at the Elysée Palace on Saturday in a sign of how the far-right leader has taken centre stage in France in the wake of Britain’s vote to leave the EU.

Ms Le Pen used Saturday’s meeting to reiterate her demands for a referendum on France’s membership of the EU, but she said that her calls were rejected and admitted that she was left “with the feeling of having come for nothing”.

Yet there were jubilant scenes in the National Front headquarters on Friday, and its leaders appeared emboldened by the result across the Channel. Florian Philippot, FN’s vice-president, told reporters that Britain’s decision would force the same question on French voters. “We cannot escape a referendum [in France],” he said.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/25/far-right-leader-marine-le-pen-is-so-pleased-about-brexit-she-wants-frexit-5966960/

[leveymg]

58. This just creates another layer of uncertainty, exactly the thing investors hate most.

This referendum has created irreparable harm, but the thing one should understand is the solid economic truth that motivated it. The post-industrial Midlands and South of England have been decimated by loss of stable jobs with pensions and increasingly RW Governments have failed to fill the gap. This is a desperate rebellion against globalization and neoliberalism. See it for what it is. A warning.

[cstanleytech]

64. Ya but leaving the EU wont solve that.

If on the other hand they stick together and work to fix the problems they will have a better chance economically then against large countries like China, India, Russia and the US.

[leveymg]

67. I don't think that nation-nation cooperation is the fix for the underlying problems of neoliberal

globalization. At least, not at first. The politicians won't embrace change because they are part of the problem. Political parties are dominated by corporate money and serve their interests. Most can't be reformed.

It will take an international movement, an uprising of the middle and lower classes, one that is consciously not nationalistic, xenophobic or Rightwing led. What comes to mind is a movement without borders, that rejects mainstream institutions and culture, like what occurred across many countries in 1968. Once the movement has rejected traditional parties, at least those that are coopted by global capital, then it can form its own.

[cstanleytech]

69. I largely agree but on the other hand a populist uprising by the people has

it's own risks as well and can be twisted and abused just as easily.

[leveymg]

73. A populist uprising is better than slow extermination.

I no longer believe the neoliberal global system is rational -- is willing and able to reform itself -- even when it is obvious that it is in a profound crisis, and reform is in its own interest.

Taken to its likely conclusion, there will be two classes: a small, self-referencing global elite that exists behind lines of police, secret services, and military protection, and a much larger mass of humanity that exists in sacrifice zones.

We've been shown what life looks like in numerous dystopias, from 1984 to A Boy and His Dog to Children of Men. Add a dash of Zardoz for the kinky weirdness of it.

If you're not one of them, you're just another Burn Pit Screamer:

[cstanleytech]

74. A thoughtful "uprising" sure but an extremist one has the danger of things like labor camps. nt

[CincyDem]

6. Keeping in style. Bremorse. n/t

[TwilightZone]

12. Regrexit is a good one

I've seen that one floating around.

[tblue37]

48. Bremorse; Bregret. nt

[Peacetrain]

3. Holy Cats..

I have just been reading about the regrets.. unintended consequences of a protest vote..

[lapfog_1]

4. but but but

This bus, sponsored by the likely next prime minister, Britains own version of Trump:



promises $350M pounds a WEEK in savings that can be used to help Cornwall (or the NHS).

Right?

[christx30]

23. From John Oliver

[tblue37]

49. He even looks a lot like Trumo. nt

[lapfog_1]

56. yes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027950685

[Shrike47]

7. Cornwall is a region, not a city. Its inhabitants should have been told they would lose funding.

Why would the EU keep sending them money?

[cstanleytech]

10. Try reading the article next time, if you had you would have seen that they are asking the UK

government to provide the money that until now the EU had been.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. The article also frequently speaks of the county of Cornwall, while you call it a city.

Just to be fair and all.

[cstanleytech]

20. OMG, OMG I called it a city!!! The sky is falling the sky is falllllinnnnnnnnngggggggggg.

[Akicita]

30. Heavens to Murgatroid? I'll never believe another thing you write again.

OMG. Now I've done it. I put in a question mark when it should have been an exclamation mark. Your virus must be contagious.

[cstanleytech]

34. :P LOL

The funny thing is I always had excellent grades in reading (in fact I still read alot these days and have about 3000 paperback and hardcover books) but writing? Nope, that was always my weakest area.

[Night Watchman]

13. British Republicans

"Taxed Enough Already" and "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

[Akicita]

32. I don't see it that way. I think the Brits were tired of being ruled by the elites for the benefit

of the elites. The same way us Bernie supporters are tired of being governed by the elites for the benefit of the elites. In both parties. Looks like we lost but they won. I congratulate them and wish them the best. Power to the people. Not the elites.

[Scootaloo]

59. It's obviously a multitude of reasons, being a complex issue

But this was no Sandernista-style movement. Had more in common with the Apricot Trumpling Gang, frankly. Brexit wasn't predicated on a movement of helping out people in the UK, but in keeping them there danged furriners out. Xenophobia was the primary factor in Brexit voting - not just anti-immigrant demagoguery, but also scaremongering about "foreign rule" and of course those old devils "regulations" and "liberalism."

Brexit was a conservative endeavor that cleaved to conservative lines. While there is a strain of anti-elitism in there, it was the conservative brand of anti-elitism. A movement to replace moneyed and entitled assholes there with moneyed and entitled assholes here. Just a transfer of power, not a distribution of it.

[TubbersUK]

61. Exactly

A movement to replace moneyed and entitled assholes there with moneyed and entitled assholes here. Just a transfer of power, not a distribution of it.

[Akicita]

83. lol. Love the Apricot Trumpling Gang. How fitting. I may have to borrow that.

[Scootaloo]

84. I feel that too few people will get the reference, but what hte fuck, I like it

[Akicita]

85. It got a big laugh out of me. I'm trying to decide if The Donald is Tim Conway or Don Knotts.

Your other points were well taken as well.

[TubbersUK]

60. Wow

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You do understand that it's not going to be some ordinary bloke from down the road who re-shapes the future of our country and re-defines the pattern of our lives ? That it's not going to be me and my mates putting our heads together in the pub that decides how things are going to be managed from here on ?

It's going to be particularly rabid Conservatives like Boris Johnson (the best that Eton can spawn) and his cronies, fresh off the campaign trail, triumphant and fired up, and with the potential to change every aspect of national life, from workers’ rights to environmental protection. In short, the elite on steroids, the worst of the worst clutching their 'mandate' and ready to carve out their place among the legends and darlings of the RW.

You surely don't need a crystal ball to see how that's going to pan out for 'the people' ?

Here's a hint , as of this moment, I still have some workplace rights (despite the best efforts of successive Conservative and Blairite governments to wipe them out). I have them because they were either underpinned or conferred by EU standards. I don't expect to have most of them for very much longer.

It seems pretty clear to me to me that the 'elites' have lost no power as a result of Brexit, it's simply become more concentrated and has landed in the hands of a particularly noxious sub-set. Nor have 'the people' gained any power as a result of Brexit, we are in fact probably more exposed than ever.

ETA: and of course, the Cons can do their worst, perpetuate their beloved austerity, and pass it off as a necessary evil in the context of transitioning to an independent lion economy. I can see their crocodile tears now (shed as they protect & bolster their city cronies).

[TexasProgresive]

81. They will still be ruled by elites just exchanged an Belgic accent for British.

[tblue37]

50. Brepublicans? nt

[JCMach1]

14. Same thing is happening in Wales...

[TubbersUK]

55. And in my neck of the woods

Which is also an economically distressed former coal mining area.

And there are others.

[JI7]

16. reminds me during the govt shut down in the US people who supported it

were angry their benefits and services were being cut or shut down.

One asshole in congress even yelled at employees that work at state funded places for being closed .

[cstanleytech]

19. What, you didnt get the memo? Any Republican in office or Republican that works for Republican in

office is entitled to enter any government funded facility even if its the Republican parties fault for forcing the facility to close even if that means the people who work there wont get paid for being there to ensure its open for said Republican.

[OnDoutside]

21. Exactly. You can only shake your head at idiots like that.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. "city of Cornwall"...Cornwall is the western-most and southern-most English county.

[libdem4life]

53. Today's geography lesson...thanks. I think all of us across the Pond

will know more about Europe than ever before.

The "joke" is that Americans learn where countries are on a map when we invade them. Now we can add when there is global drama.

[awoke_in_2003]

22. Sounds like Great Britain's version of Texas

Railing against the feds, but first with their hands out when trouble strikes.

[OnDoutside]

24. On 24 April 2014 it was announced that Cornish people would be granted minority status under the Eur

European Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities.

Ooops !

[cstanleytech]

28. So was that why the EU was providing the area with funds?

[TubbersUK]

38. No, it's because it's an economically disadvantage region

The county has received £1bn of aid over the past 15 years with more than £400m in the pipeline until 2020 because of its relatively weak economy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-36616955

[ananda]

25. Cornwall isn't a city.

It's more like a shire or a province.

[cstanleytech]

26. Yes and its already been explained multiple times already. nt

[BeyondGeography]

29. First time I've appreciated our democracy in a long while

States can screw themselves with referenda, but at least the entire country can't.

[ReRe]

31. That is so sad...

... Did they not have anyone who could stand up and tell them the truth about the consequence of their vote? If the community was sucked in by the bigot's propaganda, then it's doubly sad. Can they "think"? Can they understand the English language and comprehend what they are reading or hearing? They don't understand how democracy works, in this instance a referendum, which should be easier than an election to understand. One has to livre with the consequences of their actions/their votes.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. Some in the Labour Party are placing the blame on Jeremy Corbyn's lackluster advocacy on the part...

of Bremain. Brexit had Boris Johnson, who knows how to get press, and he's a very effective spokesman. Corbyn...not so much.

[tblue37]

51. I'm sure they live in a propaganda bubble, just as our FOX/Beck/Limbaugh/Breitbart

fans do. No matter how carefully and reasonably you try to explain things to them, they consider the facts to be "liberal lies." If "stand<ing> up and tell<ing> them the truth" had any effect at all, 40% of Americans would not disbelieve evolution.

Even worse, studies have shown that providing incontrovertible evidence won't change a person's mind. In fact, evidence that disproves their claims will only make them dig in their heels and believe in and defend their error even more passionately.

[Jeb Bartlet]

35. *facepalm*

Good fucking lord. These numpties vote to bail out of the EU cause "foreigners", without having a clue what that would mean. No idea how it would affect their economy, no clue how it would affect their subsidies from the EU, Stupid, stupid, stupid!

[Jitter65]

36. Same mentality sweeping the US thanks to Trump. "We don't want to help anyone else and we sure

do hate the 'establishment' and the government but we want 'the establishment' to keep giving us our subsidies."

[cstanleytech]

37. To be honest the same could be argued about people that oppose the TPP or NAFTA.

Yes, alot of it looks scary on paper but then again how many here are really and truly knowledgeable enough about making a trade agreement to make a real informed decision on if its good or bad for the country as a whole?

[reACTIONary]

40. Good point - I think that's why plebiscites must .....

..... be approached with caution and hedged, and why I feel much better about parlementarily deliberation.

Oh, and on edit, it's NOT a city! It's some sort of shire or English something.

[cstanleytech]

41. Yup, after all when it comes to something that requires special skills its generally

better to rely on someone with the proper training.
For example you dont go to a plastic surgeon for heart surgery.

[tblue37]

52. Of course, the fact that they are keeping its details as hidden as possible

provokes suspicion, as does the fact that the right wing politicians are so in favor of it.

[cstanleytech]

63. Part of reason I suspect for that is because people in general as a group

dont tend to think rationally not to mention most of us including myself are not experienced with trade agreements and the potential large scale economic impact for them if done right.

[Igel]

70. The full text is available on line.

Nothing hidden, except how it got to be that way.

To be honest, it's rather like looking at any book. If you want to know authorial intent, then you look at revision history, sketchbooks, and correspondence. (Been there, done that.) If you want to know what the final product is, you need the final product. If all you're concerned about is what you can read into it and interpret it to mean, i.e., "reader intent," in many ways you don't even need the final product.

We don't know the revision history for TPP. Don't know that it much matters.

[truebrit71]

42. They should have thought of that before voting to leave.

I think it's kinda cute that they think that Westminster is going to take care of them...idiots...

[obamanut2012]

47. Wales gets more money than anyplace in the EU, and they voted LEAVE

And are now freaking out. A good chunk of Wales i basically one big social services and jobs project by the EU.

The Welsh voted LEAVE mainly because of immigrants. Of which they have almost none. Cornwall has even less.

Morans.

[Freddie]

77. Cornwall and Wales have a lot in common

The mining economy is gone (thanks, Maggie) and the locals can't find work while the housing is overrun by vacationers and retirees, pricing locals out of housing. The Welsh and Cornish languages are similar. There are still a fair number of Welsh speakers while Cornish is no longer an "active" language although it's taught in schools.
My Dad's side is Cornish and I discovered doing genealogical research that back in the day there was a lot of migration between Cornwall and Wales, probably folks moving where the mining jobs were. I also connected with a cousin who said that the remaining traditional Cornish occupation, commercial fishing, has been largely taken over by Polish immigrants willing to work cheap. That's where the resentment comes in and probably why "leave" won there.

[Agnosticsherbet]

54. The Cornish Council should tell their citizens that they they voted for a severe austerity regime.

They will have to tighten their belts.

Actions have consequences.

[Igel]

71. Actions can have consequences.

This is more like a yearbook photo.

Your picture's taken. It seemed like a good idea to put whiskers and cat ears on before the picture, but looking at the proofs ... Maybe not. The first option is to see if you can airbrush the offending bits out. Another option in most schools these days is to have your picture retaken.

The Brexit is advisory. The on-going consequences can largely airbrushed away.

No reason it couldn't be redone. A mulligan, so to speak. "I didn't think my vote counted. Now that I've stopped being a truculent teen, and decided to use this vote to show my displeasure at council policy on what I can have hanging in my window, I might even vote the issue being decided."

The immigrant issue is a big one, though. Protect local culture and attitudes or have outsiders come in and compel change? (Should we open up immigration by anglos and others to Indian reservations? How about gentrification, where outsiders often of a different color come in and revise a neighborhood's culture? If they reject the local history because it's not "their" history, is that a problem?)

[Agnosticsherbet]

75. At this time, The EU is not in the mood to airbrush out the unattractive bits of the UK's

monumental middle-finger salute.
That may change.

[cstanleytech]

80. Ya but right now all the EU is saying to the UK is that if they really want to leave and lose

all the benefits and go through a few rough years trying to negotiate new trade agreements with a hell of alot of countries that they need to do it asap rather than drag it out causing more hardship for everyone involved, they arent kicking them out and saying "Your out and stay out" rather they are saying "if you want to leave dont make this more difficult than it has to be.".

[The Second Stone]

57. Voting Brexit is like voting to become Kansas

the laboratory of democracy for the United States. Kansas is completely controlled by psychotic far right wing republicans and has spent the last 15 years swirling down the shitter because of it.

Kansas makes me wonder when we are going to hear the gurgle of the toilet finishing the flush cycle. It just gets worse and worse. If they were and island off the coast of Somalia, they would be eyeing each other to see who was going to pirate whom.

[jpak]

65. How do you say "morans" in Cornwall?

[obamanut2012]

68. Dobecks (for real)

[Igel]

72. That would be "Cornish."

The dictionary-traitor tells me
berrwelyek for short-sighted.

A variety of forms, pyst (plural pystyon) for "fool" or "idiot". There are others. Informal language has a lot of ways of saying insults and sexual terms, it's where most people's mental life is for much of the time.

Cornish is a Celtic language, not too distant from Bretagne in France (largely because the Bretagnes in France emigrated from Corwall and adjacent areas to France, where they were long oppressed.)

The entire region used to be Celtic speaking, along with a strange little immigrant outpost in Turkey. The "Galatians" are for people living in the area in Asia Minor settled by Celts and included their descendants.

[Vinca]

66. I imagine Trump voters would do the same after they realized what they had done.

When the low minimum wage is erased because Trump thinks Americans are overpaid, they'll wake up and it will be too late.

[Zambero]

76. And what would Doc Martin have to say?

You daft idiots! (perhaps?)

[senseandsensibility]

78. He wouldn't be for Brexit, I

don't think. And he doesn't suffer fools gladly either, so no doubt his language would be strong. I wonder how closely the residents of Port Wen resemble the Cornish people.

[TexasBushwhacker]

82. The Cornish Council should have done a better job

campaigning against Brexit.