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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:15 PM Jun 2016

Evangelical leader applauds Trump for 'relationship with Christ'

Source: MSN/The Hill

An evangelical leader said that Donald Trump did well with evangelical voters in the Republican primary because he recently entered "a relationship with Christ," according to Politico.

The presumptive GOP nominee received mixed reviews following a closed-door meeting with hundreds of Christian faith leaders last week, but James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, applauded Trump for renewing his commitment to evangelicals.

Dobson said in an interview that he knows "the person who led [Trump] to Christ. And that's fairly recent."

"I don't know when it was, but it has not been long," he added.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/evangelical-leader-applauds-trump-for-relationship-with-christ/ar-AAhCnGq



The rapid embrace of Donald Trump by the Religious Right should not come as a surprise. While most folks will say that the controversy over abortion is what gave rise to the movement, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation. Thus, despite the fact that most of Trump's position would seem to conflict with what is commonly understood to be Christian doctrine, he is the most overly racist candidate in recent memory.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133_Page3.html#.V28BQLgrKUk

Weyrich saw that he had the beginnings of a conservative political movement, which is why, several years into President Jimmy Carter’s term, he and other leaders of the nascent religious right blamed the Democratic president for the IRS actions against segregated schools—even though the policy was mandated by Nixon, and Bob Jones University had lost its tax exemption a year and a day before Carter was inaugurated as president. Falwell, Weyrich and others were undeterred by the niceties of facts. In their determination to elect a conservative, they would do anything to deny a Democrat, even a fellow evangelical like Carter, another term in the White House.

But Falwell and Weyrich, having tapped into the ire of evangelical leaders, were also savvy enough to recognize that organizing grassroots evangelicals to defend racial discrimination would be a challenge. It had worked to rally the leaders, but they needed a different issue if they wanted to mobilize evangelical voters on a large scale.

By the late 1970s, many Americans—not just Roman Catholics—were beginning to feel uneasy about the spike in legal abortions following the 1973 Roe decision. The 1978 Senate races demonstrated to Weyrich and others that abortion might motivate conservatives where it hadn’t in the past. That year in Minnesota, pro-life Republicans captured both Senate seats (one for the unexpired term of Hubert Humphrey) as well as the governor’s mansion. In Iowa, Sen. Dick Clark, the Democratic incumbent, was thought to be a shoo-in: Every poll heading into the election showed him ahead by at least 10 percentage points. On the final weekend of the campaign, however, pro-life activists, primarily Roman Catholics, leafleted church parking lots (as they did in Minnesota), and on Election Day Clark lost to his Republican pro-life challenger.

In the course of my research into Falwell’s archives at Liberty University and Weyrich’s papers at the University of Wyoming, it became very clear that the 1978 election represented a formative step toward galvanizing everyday evangelical voters. Correspondence between Weyrich and evangelical leaders fairly crackles with excitement. In a letter to fellow conservative Daniel B. Hales, Weyrich characterized the triumph of pro-life candidates as “true cause for celebration,” and Robert Billings, a cobelligerent, predicted that opposition to abortion would “pull together many of our ‘fringe’ Christian friends.” Roe v. Wade had been law for more than five years.

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Evangelical leader applauds Trump for 'relationship with Christ' (Original Post) TomCADem Jun 2016 OP
Fraud & Most Unlike Christian Chasstev365 Jun 2016 #1
It's called putting lipstick on a pig Zorro Jun 2016 #32
No, it is called putting a halo on yourself. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #37
Reads like an advertisement for the Antichrist Zorro Jun 2016 #43
LOL. A born-again narcissist. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #44
Well, he's one of the group of religious leaders... liberalmuse Jun 2016 #2
Takes a con man to recognize another superior con man packman Jun 2016 #3
Sure he did, and I am Marie of Romania. elleng Jun 2016 #4
yeah except he used to be Christian and has been Christian PatrynXX Jun 2016 #5
Awwe, Focus on the Family tom_kelly Jun 2016 #6
K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #7
The actual "Eye Of A Needle..." Archae Jun 2016 #11
Thanks I had no idea Eye Of A Needle, is a place. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #14
This is a common misunderstanding, but it's wrong. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #18
How can a church built 1500+ years later... Archae Jun 2016 #38
It can't. Thus the misunderstanding. LeftyMom Jun 2016 #40
so you could get a camel through if you parted it out... yurbud Jun 2016 #36
LOL... whut? Frank Cannon Jun 2016 #8
And I'm... 3catwoman3 Jun 2016 #17
Oh, please. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2016 #9
Hmmmm. In spite of finding Christ, he still lies all the time. I guess he found Lyin' Jesus. Shrike47 Jun 2016 #10
I like Cheeto Jesus. Initech Jun 2016 #41
Yes, and guess who's on top? nt reACTIONary Jun 2016 #12
I think he meant "Christie" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #13
Thread winner! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #16
"my poverty is a witness to my honesty" bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #15
Political Christians rather than Christians of faith. keithbvadu2 Jun 2016 #19
But, does Christ want a relationship with Trump? Srkdqltr Jun 2016 #20
Could the bar be set much lower? milestogo Jun 2016 #21
LOL, That is a Hilarious Photo TomCADem Jun 2016 #22
Yes, indeed. That's one great low-jumping Corgi! Perfect Corgi form. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #31
watch them crowd around him and pray over him Enrique Jun 2016 #23
Gaaakkkk... okasha Jun 2016 #25
If you call being driven out of the temple at the business end of a whip okasha Jun 2016 #24
What a load of crap. nruthie Jun 2016 #26
Good thing these types rely on "faith"not facts Person 2713 Jun 2016 #27
Didn't James Dobson Say That Serial Murderer Ted Bundy Also Turned Xian? Vogon_Glory Jun 2016 #28
There's only one Christian running in this election ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #29
James Dobson is a child psychologist. xfundy Jun 2016 #30
Ponzi scheme by American "religion" LannyDeVaney Jun 2016 #33
I knew this was coming rwsanders Jun 2016 #34
got that right...years ago i attended a bible study that was all hopped up on dobson dembotoz Jun 2016 #45
These guys all worship Jeeeeeeeezus. 47of74 Jun 2016 #35
Read a post today from another forum... Xolodno Jun 2016 #39
"Nobody is a better Christian than I am." Initech Jun 2016 #42
I seem to remember a little story from the Bible jmowreader Jun 2016 #46

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
2. Well, he's one of the group of religious leaders...
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:21 PM
Jun 2016

who have systematically been stealing from our gullible great grandparents, grandparents and parents for decades. My mom died in poverty because she really believed these charlatans and sent them a large part of her meager income. You might say it was her fault for sending her paychecks to these snake-oil salesmen, but the truth is, the elderly are gullible, and some responsibility has to fall onto the people who willingly make false promises in order to line their own pocketbook. There is a special place in hell for these soul-sucking anti-Christs.

Donald Trump is a snake-oil salesmen of another kind, but it takes one to know one, so this is a perfect marriage.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
3. Takes a con man to recognize another superior con man
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

They have baptized Donald in the holy waters of profit and greed. Gotta keep your base together.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
4. Sure he did, and I am Marie of Romania.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jun 2016

Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Romania.

Dorothy Parker, Not So Deep as a Well (1937), "Comment"

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
5. yeah except he used to be Christian and has been Christian
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016

just not a very good one.. So that dude makes zero sense. He's part of the more Left style wing . That even I don't like. I prefer mine a bit Right of Center. But poltics and religion should be seperated anyway

tom_kelly

(958 posts)
6. Awwe, Focus on the Family
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jun 2016

How odd it is that when you focus on the family of these frauds like James Dobson they usually don't come out looking so wholesome. There is special considerations for folks like these on the other side, I hope.

Archae

(46,317 posts)
11. The actual "Eye Of A Needle..."
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jun 2016

Was a small gate in the Jerusalem city walls.

Suffice to say, since it was small, getting a camel through that little gate (since at night the main gates were closed,) was very difficult.

Hence Jesus' quip about getting a camel through that gate and a rich man making it into Heaven.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
18. This is a common misunderstanding, but it's wrong.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

The gate claimed to be the inspiration for this passage is in the wall of a sixteenth century church.

The more likely explanation is the similarity of the words for camel and rope.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
40. It can't. Thus the misunderstanding.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jun 2016

The story arose later to explain a passage that otherwise makes no damn sense.

Like I said, the more likely explanation is the similarity of the words for camel and rope, but biblical literalists have a problem with this explanation because they believe that mistranslation is impossible because the bible is an inspired supernatural work.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
8. LOL... whut?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jun 2016

Does anyone really think that aside from attending a few weddings or funerals, this dude has ever even seen the inside of a church?

If Donald Trump is a "good Christian", then I must be Saint Peter.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
16. Thread winner!
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

Poor Christie. In every photo with him and Trump, he looks like he just swallowed a turd.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
15. "my poverty is a witness to my honesty"
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jun 2016

- Nicolo Machiavelli

"Property is theft!" - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

Sorry, Donald. I'm not seeing poverty, humility, chastity here.

Mother Theresa you ain't.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
23. watch them crowd around him and pray over him
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jun 2016

from back in Sept. At the end one of them facepalms him

okasha

(11,573 posts)
24. If you call being driven out of the temple at the business end of a whip
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jun 2016

"entering a relationship," I suppose he did.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
28. Didn't James Dobson Say That Serial Murderer Ted Bundy Also Turned Xian?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jun 2016

Sorry, Jimmy but at best I think you're fooling yourself. It's more likely that you've crossed from the Kingdom into Fantasy Land yet again.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
29. There's only one Christian running in this election
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jun 2016

And it sure as hell ain't that hedonistic orange fraud.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
33. Ponzi scheme by American "religion"
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jun 2016

Nothing more.

The religious community should be ashamed of what America has done to their beliefs.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
34. I knew this was coming
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jun 2016

Dobson has never been more than a partisan hack with a phony cloak of Christianity.
But on the upside, he was the first to make me realize how prevalent this was in the church.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
45. got that right...years ago i attended a bible study that was all hopped up on dobson
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

i tried, i actually tried to follow along. but in the end the basic violation of my own moral compass as to what was right from wrong was getting me free from the bullshit. Never could quite grasp how jesus would want us to act like assholes....my short comings and lack of faith and study i guess....

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
35. These guys all worship Jeeeeeeeezus.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

No relation to Jesus Christ whatsoever. They love Jeeeeeeeezus because he's a white dude who carries a strap-on....excuse me, I meant a automatic rifle, and shares their hatred of the poor, minorities, women, foreigners, and especially those who don't worship as they do.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
39. Read a post today from another forum...
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jun 2016

To be Christian is to runaway as fast as possible from established Christianity.

I have to agree....

Initech

(100,063 posts)
42. "Nobody is a better Christian than I am."
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jun 2016

"I read the best Bible, I quote the best verses. I consult the best pastors. We're gonna create God's army. Fill it with the best Christians, it's gonna be huge!"

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
46. I seem to remember a little story from the Bible
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jun 2016

"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, the goats on the left and Donald Trump in the middle. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’

“The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’"

Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

“Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’

“Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’

And finally he turned to Donald Trump. "You gotta be fucking shitting me," said The King. "You didn't become a Christian because you had a change of heart. You became one to try to get a job you're completely unqualified for. Welcome to the Ninth Circle of Hell, asshole."

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