Labour crisis Live: Jeremy Corbyn no-confidence vote passes as MPs openly revolt against leader

[shira]

Source: Mirror

Labour MPs held a secret ballot on ousting Jeremy Corbyn while EU leaders gather in Brussels.


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Vote was 172-40 against Corbyn

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Am I understanding ...

So David Cameron the Prime Minister, in order to placate the nationalist extreme right
of his party, calls a referendum on the EU, in or out, which also is a political power
boost for Conservatives against the Labor Party which is having its own leadership
problems. Brexit wins because the older rank-and-file nativists of Labor go to the polls en
masse whereas Millennials stay home. Then Cameron resigns leaving the Brexit issue to
a new PM, Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn who has just been voted out.

It's as bad as Florida 2000 and involves the whole UK!

[OnDoutside]

2. It's an enigma wrapped in an enigma ! However it wasn't a power boost against Labour, in fact

I'm sure the Tories would prefer Corbyn is still Labour Leader at the next General Election. As a student of the classics, Cameron resigned in order to deal Johnson a classic Pyhrric victory. Cameron would not be the one to trigger Article 50, handing the poisoned chalice to Johnson, IF he is elected PM.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. Corbyn hasn't been voted out; this is the Labour MPs saying they think he should go

It's non-binding. It's now up to someone to declare formally that they'll stand against him as Labour leader to start an election, which would be among Labour party members (there's a small membership fee), affiliated union members (again, a small fee), or those who register as 'party supporters' (a smaller fee, which basically covers the admin of the vote; Labour reserves the right to reject people it thinks aren't genuine supporters, and there were minor controversies about who was or wasn't rejected last year).

Whether anyone who could get support among the general members is willing to stand remains to be seen.

[brooklynite]

16. ...and we've seen that non-binding votes don't have any clout?

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. This is a different kettle of fish from the referendum, if that's what you're referring to

People are saying "the referendum is non-binding, MPs and the government can ignore it", but they promised they'd abide by it, so they'll get massively voted against if they did ignore it (it's a huge issue; but even on smaller issues, breaking a promise can screw a party - look at what happened to the Lib Dems over tuition fees, with their worst losses in university cities).

This is a non-binding vote by MPs. They don't get to chuck out other MPs if none of them stand after this. They don't get to chuck out their party members, either. If anything, the risk goes the other way - party members in a constituency can try to deselect MPs before the next election if they feel they've overstepped the mark (primarying them, effectively). This vote was anonymous, so no one risked that over this vote. It's the next step ...

[Kelvin Mace]

34. The fallout from ignoring the referendum

would depend on the turnout by the "stay" contingent in the next election, I would guess. While the "stay" just got a wake up call, a not insignificant number of "leave" voters just found out they were lied to by Nigel and Boris and are suffering "buyer's remorse".

[MADem]

30. It'll be Boris Johnson or Gove in the driver's seat most likely.

Corbyn never had a shot. He's ... disliked.

[Recursion]

48. The government itself didn't fall so the PM stays Tory no matter what

This is like when Thatcher resigned and the party elected Major.

[MADem]

49. Yes--and now Boris has taken himself out, so it won't be him.

He helped create the shitstorm, now he doesn't want to clean up all the crap!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

3. Good

Labour needs to get a strong electable leader in place to take advantage of this mess.

[tomg]

4. For a very interesting take on this

I would like to suggest this article from Jacobin: Stand With Jeremy Corbyn. To sum it up, "Post-Brexit Britain is not the place to be jettisoning principled, left-wing, antiracist leaders."

https://www.facebook.com/jacobinmag/?fref=nf&pnref=story

[leftynyc]

13. Anti-racist?

If only. This CLOWN thinks the Jews were responsible for 9/11 and thinks the terrorists in hamas and hezbollah are social workers. He's slime and it looks like his own party agrees.

[LeftishBrit]

19. No he doesn't

Where do you get that from? He may arguably have been too tolerant of anti-Semites (and other undesirables) in his party; but he doesn't think that the Jews did 9-11!!!!

He has doubtless shared a platform at times with people with despicable views. There are very few leaders of any party who haven't.

[leftynyc]

22. He just calls such people "honored citizens"

and invites them to Parliament. What a wonderful example for people of the left to follow - vomit

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/an-anti-semitism-of-the-left.html?_r=2
once invited to Parliament a Palestinian Islamist, Raed Salah, who has suggested Jews were absent from the World Trade Center on 9/11. Corbyn called him an “honored citizen.

[LeftishBrit]

26. Is this a better example to follow?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/23/-sp-blair-gaddafi-letter-thanks-spy-cooperation-libya-uk-dissidents

[leftynyc]

28. LOL

If you think I'm a fan of bush/dick's lapdog, you'd be very wrong.

[pampango]

15. "Post-Brexit Britain is not the place to be jettisoning principled, left-wing, antiracist leaders."

Great point. The left needs someone like Corbyn because the right is going to have more than enough "unprincipled, right-wing, racist leaders" who will have plenty of 'political capital' from the referendum result, for the left to battle against.

[MADem]

31. That magazine reduces their credibility by calling Corbyn "antiracist."

He's also a bit of a sexist nitwit who doesn't know how to separate his professional life from his personal life, IMO.

He's just NOT impressive--a textbook example of the Peter Principle, to my view.

40 lousy votes is all he could manage? That should tell us all something, right there.

I'd say the operative suggestion is "Stand as Far Away From Jeremy Corbyn As One Can Possibly Manage."

[iandhr]

5. Excellent

He is an antisemite and terrorist sympathizer.


He has called Hamas and Hezbollah agents of “long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region,” and once invited to Parliament a Palestinian Islamist, Raed Salah, who has suggested Jews were absent from the World Trade Center on 9/11. Corbyn called him an “honored citizen.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/an-anti-semitism-of-the-left.html?_r=1

If you honor a man who implies "The Jews were behind 9/11" you have no place leading a political party in a western democracy.

I have to repeat this becuse he has a fan club here.

Now hopefuly Labour will get a leader who is a progressvie but who wants to stand up to terrorism and anti-semtism.

[OnDoutside]

7. +1

[leftynyc]

14. +1

Best news to come out of this clusterfuck.

[jtuck004]

17. I would rather have him as a neighbor than any of his pathetic enemies. n/t

[LeftishBrit]

25. If you choose to share a political party grouping in the Euro-Parliament with Polish and Hungarian

hard-right parties that have never been too fond of the jooooos among other minorities - in preference to the more obvious party grouping that includes the parties of people like Merkel and Sarkozy - then you also have no place leading a political party in a western democracy.

And that's our Tories. I don't think they chose that grouping BECAUSE it included anti-Semites and anti-minority types; but this was an early stage of their pandering to the Europhobes that has now ended in Brexit.

There is not a single political party or leader that has clean hands in terms of the people they've at times been prepared to share platforms with. Blair was seriously cosy with Gaddafi for example.

I'm not a particular Corbyn fan - he is not particularly effective in standing up to anyone, including Tories and Brexiters. Not that I can think of anyone who would be much more effective at the moment, I fear.

[Native]

6. It is my understanding the no confidence vote was because they felt he did a shitty job

for the remain side during the whole 'to brexit or not to brexit' lead-up. What I don't understand is why labour didn't counter the false claims put out there by the conservatives - the claims that they now admit were bullshit but actually influenced a lot of the leave votes. I haven't seen anything in the media about any efforts to discredit these claims.

[iandhr]

8. Some might say that's the job of the party leader.

[OnDoutside]

12. And that is accusation, that he was (being generous) half hearted in his efforts. Being in the EU

has always been more important to Labour.

[cloudythescribbler]

10. the neoliberals scapegoated Corbyn for a vote significantly against neoliberalism, now cashing in nt

[pampango]

20. Or the liberals went after Corbyn for a vote to enable a neoliberal like Boris Johnson and a fascist

like Nigel Farage. Getting rid of labor and environmental protections is what neoliberals like Johnson want and is what Corbyn and the unions were fighting to prevent by staying in the EU.

I hope Corbyn remains in his leadership role. He may not be a great campaigner but he will fight against the neoliberals and far-right conservatives who won the referendum.

[brooklynite]

11. UPDATE: Corbyn refuses to step down

Corbyn refuses to resign, saying no confidence vote has 'no constitutional legitimacy'

Anushka Asthana Anushka Asthana
Jeremy Corbyn has put out this statement.

In the aftermath of last week’s referendum, our country faces major challenges. Risks to the economy and living standards are growing. The public is divided.

The government is in disarray. Ministers have made it clear they have no exit plan, but are determined to make working people pay with a new round of cuts and tax rises.

Labour has the responsibility to give a lead where the government will not. We need to bring people together, hold the government to account, oppose austerity and set out a path to exit that will protect jobs and incomes.

To do that we need to stand together. Since I was elected leader of our party nine months ago, we have repeatedly defeated the government over its attacks on living standards.

Last month, Labour become the largest party in the local elections. In Thursday’s referendum, a narrow majority voted to leave, but two thirds of Labour supporters backed our call for a remain vote.

I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters, and I will not betray them by resigning. Today’s vote by MPs has no constitutional legitimacy.

We are a democratic party, with a clear constitution. Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/28/brexit-live-cameron-eu-leaders-brussels-corbyn-confidence?page=with:block-57729d23e4b0565db417b968#block-57729d23e4b0565db417b968

[MADem]

36. What a self-centered ass! There's no fixing this--he'll go down in history as being

the most pathetic and hubris-laden curmudgeon on his side of the pond! His "leadership?" He only got forty lousy votes!!!

He's whining about LIVING STANDARDS? They'll be in the crapper once Brexit takes hold--and he helped that happen, even if he won't admit it.

At least we're not the only ones with really crappy and selfish politicians....

[socialist_n_TN]

37. He got only 40 votes from the Parliamentary Labor MPs...........

You know the neo-liberal Blairites who have lost two or three elections to the Tories and will NOT unite to fight austerity, only enable it. It's time for the party majority WHO PUT CORBYN IN POWER to deselect these class traitors and replace them with real fighters for the people and not Tory lite sympathizers.

This is a coordinated counterattack on all of the left forces who have begun the fight against Thatcherism and "There is no alternative".

[cosmicone]

21. Jeremy Corbin is the UK version of our own left wing leader n/t

[OnDoutside]

23. Without being specific, yes, very similar.

[leftynyc]

24. I can't imagine

who the fuck you're talking about. Which of our left wing leaders think that hamas and hezbollah are peace partners?

[LeftishBrit]

27. If you mean Bernie Sanders, no. I only wish that he - or someone likely to be a party leader - WAS!

If you don't want Bernie Sanders, send him here!

And no, this is not intended as anti-Hillary Clinton, who I very much hope beats Trump!!!

[LeftishBrit]

29. Sigh. This is the time when party unity is needed against utter disaster...

And all they can do is fight each other! I blame both Corbyn and the rebels. Fiddling while Rome burns - though actually Rome will probably do fine without us; we have shot ourselves in both feet!

And we will be getting a Tory leader far worse than Cameron. And Farage is emboldened; and racists in various parts of the country are taking the referendum result as a mandate/excuse for hate-crime.

What a bloody mess.

I voted to Remain - along over 70% of people in both my current city and my former city and 48% of the population as a whole. But there were a lot of lying liars telling lies, and unfortunately just too many people believed them.

[socialist_n_TN]

38. Why blame Corbyn?......

This looks like a coup attempt by the Blairites to me. Jeremy didn't ASK them to vote no-confidence they did it on their own. And they used the referendum as an excuse when Labour voters pretty much overwhelmingly voted to remain.

And he'll win any new election because he's popular with the membership. So it looks to me like the Blairites are the ones who have precipitated this whole clusterfuck. Probably because they don't want Corbyn's message to get an even wider hearing like it would in a general election campaign.

[LeftishBrit]

39. For not fighting hard enough against Brexit

His opponents aren't all Blairites - Blairites are no doubt glomming on to the situation; but mainly it's not so much a left vs right issue as a 'OMG, he didn't save us from Brexit, he might lose to the Tories, PANIC, PANIC!' issue.

I think they're just making matters worse by panicking and forcing the issue right now, especially as there is no obvious individual to take over, and there will probably be further infighting between the potential replacements.

[Blue_Tires]

50. He betrayed his own party

by pretending to support remain when he really didn't...

[Kelvin Mace]

32. So, now the UK offically has no pilot

Cameron is sitting at the back of the plane saying he'll just wait for the plane to land, and the flight crew just beat up the co-pilot.

Brilliant!

[bemildred]

42. Settling scores in their petty little disputes are far more important. nt

[tonyt53]

35. Ever step in dog shit in the yard and then start dragging your foot in the grass to get it off?

Sort of what is happening. Only problem is that instead of working to get the shit off the shoe, they threw away the shoe.

[hrmjustin]

40. Corbyn should step down as leader immediately. He has lost the confidence of his fellow members of

Parliament, he can not lead them.

[Nihil]

41. His "fellow members of parliament" should be kicked out as lying Blairite hypocrites.

Fact 1: He was elected BY THE PEOPLE (60+% of Labour members), not just from a bunch of MPs.

Fact 2: Since that date, he has achieved more in terms of resisting the Tory steamroller than any of his precedessors in Opposition.

Fact 3: The Parliamentary Labour Party largely consists of holdovers from the Blair "Tory-lite" days.

The result of the above means that Corbyn has shown up the rotten corrupt mess of the PLP for all to see ...
they are feeling vulnerable and so are desperate to distract, using the bought/sold power of the media
that was set up by the Poodle's years of spinmeisters.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. Who elected all of those MP's who should be kicked out?

Corbyn's mandate was to serve as the leader of the party in Parliament. It is clear that the vast majority of those people no longer want him as leader.

[Nihil]

44. That was pure conjecture without any supporting facts.

> It is clear that the vast majority of those people no longer want him as leader.

No, it is nothing of the sort.

Corbyn was elected leader by the members.

The members have been given no say (so far) in the attempts to displace him.

The wannabe "coup" is *purely* driven by the Parliamentary Labour Party - the MPs alone - and
not the membership who overwhelmingly selected Corbyn rather than any of the petty, corrupt
cabal of Blairite dross that have grown as fat on bribes as the Conservatives whom they are
*supposed* to be opposing.

[bemildred]

45. Stephen Crabb: No snap election if I am new Tory leader

Stephen Crabb has launched his bid for the Tory leadership promising no snap election and no second EU referendum.

The Preseli Pembrokeshire MP and work and pensions secretary said stability was his aim, warning that fresh polls would simply create more uncertainty.

Mr Crabb rejected claims he was prejudiced against gay people, after his opposition to same-sex marriage.

The contest was triggered when Prime Minister David Cameron announced he would resign after the Brexit vote.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-36659421

[Blue_Tires]

46. Good riddance...

Long overdue

[RAFisher]

47. Apparently the Anti-Corbyns can't agree on a candidate to run against him. This is comical.

https://twitter.com/joncraig/status/748143486432612352

[Doodley]

51. The Labour MPs are revolting!

[Ash_F]

52. Boy they sure shit the bed across the pond, didn't they?

Makes us look downright functional!