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Judi Lynn

(160,218 posts)
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:27 AM Jun 2016

Husband and Daughters Beg For Their Lives in Chilling 911 Calls Placed Moments Before Texas Mom Open

Source: People

Husband and Daughters Beg For Their Lives in Chilling 911 Calls Placed Moments Before Texas Mom Opened Fire

Harriet Sokmensuer, @HGSokmensuer

1 hr ago

On Tuesday, authorities released the 911 calls placed from inside the home where Texas mother Christy Sheats, 42, fatally shot her two daughters Madison, 17, and Taylor, 22.

In the chilling audio, obtained by PEOPLE, Christy's husband Jason Sheats, 45, and the couple's children can be heard begging for Christy to put the weapon down, as they cry and yell hysterically.

"Please don't point the gun at us. Put down your gun," a male voice pleads. "Please don't shoot."

The recording continues as the man tries to reason with Christy, apologizing and offering to do anything she would like if she would surrender the weapon.

Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/husband-and-daughters-beg-for-their-lives-in-chilling-911-calls-placed-moments-before-texas-mom-opened-fire/ar-AAhKsFP?li=BBnbfcL

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Husband and Daughters Beg For Their Lives in Chilling 911 Calls Placed Moments Before Texas Mom Open (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2016 OP
More responsible gun ownership. . .until they stop being responsible and shoot their children Feeling the Bern Jun 2016 #1
The existence of female domestic violence, Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #2
THAT's what you get out of this? That "female domestic violence" needs to be "dealt with"? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #6
That the Gun Issue is of primary importance does not nullify Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #7
Your graphic says "abused woman" IronLionZion Jun 2016 #13
That's what I get out of it too. Akicita Jun 2016 #19
But not too helpful when your crazy ex is breaking down your door to kill you. Akicita Jun 2016 #20
sure they'll admit it--as long as there's a *man* to blame somewhere up the road MisterP Jun 2016 #24
The majority of women who are murdered and murdered by someone they know Beaverhausen Jun 2016 #36
14 calls for disturbances, history of mental illness, one of millions of gun inheritors. jtuck004 Jun 2016 #3
I don't get this Skittles Jun 2016 #4
He was huddled over JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #8
Well, Because RobinA Jun 2016 #12
so in real life Skittles Jun 2016 #37
He propably would have been arrested for domestic violence. Akicita Jun 2016 #21
Justice Thomas just argued Geronimoe Jun 2016 #5
"intentional nonconsensual touching of a family member" Paladin Jun 2016 #31
According to the NRA, everyone should have been more concerned for the gun than their own lives MrScorpio Jun 2016 #9
The NRA would say the girls should have had guns IronLionZion Jun 2016 #14
wtf is someone who has multiple suicide attempts, is obviously mentally ill and violent AntiBank Jun 2016 #10
That was one of my first thoughts. The husband should have "disappeared" the gun years ago. n/t patricia92243 Jun 2016 #11
You'd be surprised just how many gun owners are like her. And the damn gun nuts Hoyt Jun 2016 #29
My position is if there is proven violence or a suicide attempt(in this case multiple ones) then AntiBank Jun 2016 #30
I agree, but you will get a lot of opposition. See what happens if you propose restricting guns for Hoyt Jun 2016 #32
the best way to go is to get Clinton elected, pack the supreme court, roll back heller and move on AntiBank Jun 2016 #33
Very hopefull it plays out like that. I think even Scalia would have supported doing something in Hoyt Jun 2016 #34
the sad and tragic irony... Javaman Jun 2016 #15
A history of mental illness and multiple calls to the police.People Control, Not Gun Control This i Sancho Jun 2016 #16
Well put. Else You Are Mad Jun 2016 #26
Why was there a gun in the house? Why didn't the husband do anything when she went away to reload? Nitram Jun 2016 #17
He was huddled over one of his daughters TexasBushwhacker Jun 2016 #22
Well, according to pro-gun apologists, the only thing wrong with this Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18
If only that husband & those kids had a gun... GOLGO 13 Jun 2016 #23
Guns should have been removed from the house. hollowdweller Jun 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #27
Old Women also can kill Family HockeyMom Jun 2016 #28
"To Late", she said. Sunlei Jun 2016 #35
This family knew they had a problem, yet did nothing about it. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #38
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
1. More responsible gun ownership. . .until they stop being responsible and shoot their children
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:32 AM
Jun 2016

Remember, it's only the mentally ill. It's never easy access to firearms.

NRA talking points in 5,4,3,2,1. . .

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
2. The existence of female domestic violence,
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:44 AM
Jun 2016

psychological and physical, needs to be recognised and properly dealt with.

SunSeeker

(51,377 posts)
6. THAT's what you get out of this? That "female domestic violence" needs to be "dealt with"?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:38 AM
Jun 2016

How about keeping guns out of one's home? That's helpful whether there's male or female domestic violence.


 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
7. That the Gun Issue is of primary importance does not nullify
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:52 AM
Jun 2016

the importance of psychological and social issues.

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
13. Your graphic says "abused woman"
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:11 AM
Jun 2016

people are still in denial that women can be abusers. That sexist belief has gotten people killed several times already.

There are gun control laws for people guilty of domestic violence.

Supreme Court rules domestic abusers can lose gun ownership rights
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/06/27/supreme-court-guns-domestic-violence-abuse-clarence-thomas/86353402/

The NRA claims the domestic abuse gun laws are biased against men and take away their 2nd amendment rights...because they don't believe women can be domestic abusers.

I had an abusive mentally ill female partner years ago. The fact that she kept several guns in her house and was trained in shooting made me very nervous and was one of the reasons I left her.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
24. sure they'll admit it--as long as there's a *man* to blame somewhere up the road
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

in their worldview there's a Dominator Group and a Protected Group, and the former always victimizes the latter (no matter what the facts are); the oppression of the latter, in fact, is their most cherished asset and greatest strength, all that they have when everything else has been taken away from them
this logic gave us a series of fun new names in the 90s: Srebrenica and Prijedor--because after Jasenovac, who can blame them?

Beaverhausen

(24,467 posts)
36. The majority of women who are murdered and murdered by someone they know
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

Yes, there is female domestic violence but it pales in comparison with what women deal with.

Let's keep guns out of the hands of all violent, mentally ill people, OK?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
3. 14 calls for disturbances, history of mental illness, one of millions of gun inheritors.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:55 AM
Jun 2016
"By the time she reloaded her weapon – a five shot, .38-caliber handgun, which her husband said had been passed down by her great grandfather to "protect her family" – and returned to the street, deputies were on scene."
...
"As the investigation unfurled, it was later revealed that Christy had a history of mental illness and the couple had extensive interactions with the local authorities, as Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office had responded to 14 calls for service at the home since January of 2012."




The family is the first line of defense, but they often either fail or enable. I bet this fella never thought in a million years that she was capable of that, even with her illness. Sometimes things can fool you, after you think you have been managing it for years. Even so, the professionals - 14 calls? And no one thought to say "Hey, you got any guns"? or "Your house is surrounded and we ain't comin' in till we are sure".

Then again, that neighborhood looked like one where they let such things slide for too long.

Too much leeway, even, finally, at the scene of the murders. According to accounts, she reloaded and came back, and the deputies watched her shoot the other daughter again before they finally killed her.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
8. He was huddled over
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:03 AM
Jun 2016

One of his daughters. Maybe at that point he was just trying to comfort her?

That written - I see your point.

Skittles

(152,965 posts)
37. so in real life
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

people never try to protect their kids? I'd say mother of 11 at Pulse shows us differently.

Paladin

(28,204 posts)
31. "intentional nonconsensual touching of a family member"
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jun 2016

That was the phrase Thomas used, rather than "domestic violence." Goes to show the sort of language-bending the gun rights movement has to resort to, these days.....

MrScorpio

(73,626 posts)
9. According to the NRA, everyone should have been more concerned for the gun than their own lives
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:08 AM
Jun 2016

That's what was the only thing on Christy's mind, that's for sure.

IronLionZion

(45,261 posts)
14. The NRA would say the girls should have had guns
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jun 2016

the only thing that stops a bad mom with a gun, is a good girl with a gun.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
10. wtf is someone who has multiple suicide attempts, is obviously mentally ill and violent
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:24 AM
Jun 2016

DOING WITH A GUN IN THE HOUSE???? The husband is a tragic fool too. Insanity all round.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. You'd be surprised just how many gun owners are like her. And the damn gun nuts
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jun 2016

don't even want doctors asking about guns in the house.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
30. My position is if there is proven violence or a suicide attempt(in this case multiple ones) then
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

there needs to be an official inquiry as to firearms in the house. She was obviously violently unstable. It's madness that guns were still present in their domicile given her mental illness background.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
32. I agree, but you will get a lot of opposition. See what happens if you propose restricting guns for
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016

people who take medications that affect judgement.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
33. the best way to go is to get Clinton elected, pack the supreme court, roll back heller and move on
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

to more and more restrictions. Overturn Citizens United too, and perhaps somehow indict the NRA under RICO statutes. On the last one maybe I am having a pipe dream.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
34. Very hopefull it plays out like that. I think even Scalia would have supported doing something in
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

cases like this lady based upon his relatively reserved opinion in Heller. Let's hope. I admire Clinton for taking a chance speaking out against guns. With board members like Teddy Nugent (elected by the membership), the NRA is a hate group as far as I am concerned.

Javaman

(62,442 posts)
15. the sad and tragic irony...
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

".38-caliber handgun, which her husband said had been passed down by her great grandfather to "protect her family"

Sancho

(9,065 posts)
16. A history of mental illness and multiple calls to the police.People Control, Not Gun Control This i
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Nitram

(22,671 posts)
17. Why was there a gun in the house? Why didn't the husband do anything when she went away to reload?
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jun 2016

..."Christy had a history of mental illness and the couple had extensive interactions with the local authorities, as Fort Bend County Sheriff's Office had responded to 14 calls for service at the home since January of 2012."

TexasBushwhacker

(20,044 posts)
22. He was huddled over one of his daughters
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

perhaps to comfort her or protect her.

As for having any guns in the house, since this was a gun passed down to her by her great grandfather, perhaps it was the only gun that remained because it was a family heirloom.

She posted this meme on her Facebook. I don't know if she made the meme, indicating that SHE had 10 guns, or if it's just one she snagged on the web. (Edit- it was a meme she snagged from the web. I don't know if she had multiple weapons or not.)



But I agree. There should have been ZERO guns in the house.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
18. Well, according to pro-gun apologists, the only thing wrong with this
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jun 2016

scene is that the three other people involved did NOT have guns as well.

If only all four of them had been armed--surely this drama would have ended less tragically.

WOULDN'T IT? SURE IT WOULD.

Just like the gun fights back in Texas' wild-west history.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
25. Guns should have been removed from the house.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

If there was nationwide gun registration then it would not be hard for a mental health warrant or something to trip some sort of thing where they come and take them.

My friend was involuntarily hospitalized in NJ and the troopers showed up at his house and wanted his guns. He could get them back if he wanted.

However in TX there is no gun registration and the pistol was passed down.

In an ideal world all guns would be registered and would have a title like a car.

However people at this point are too paranoid about the gov't then using the titles to confiscate firearms.

I felt that after the Heller decision when the court affirmed the right to own guns that it might make gun owners more secure and less likely to oppose some gun control measures that would not take their guns but would reduce gun violence. I mean the more gun violence the more call for more restrictive gun laws so why would any gun owner oppose them. It would preserve their hobby.

However at this point people are still too paranoid and the gun issue such a winner for some politicians, NRA makes so much money off the paranoia.

But that is what we have to do. We need to make people feel like the gov't is not going to come and take their guns for them to be comfortable with some restrictions that will prevent people from getting killed.

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
28. Old Women also can kill Family
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

A 69 year old woman a few streets down from me killed her 72 year old husband in his wheelchair. People were shocked but it came out later that she was super paranoid of an intruder and slept with a loaded gun under her pillow. They were described as loving couple seen around the development with her taking her husband for walks in his wheelchair.

The police described the house like a war zone with bullet holes everywhere. I suppose one day with her extreme paranoia of an intruder, and maybe Dementia, she just snapped.

She was released to her children in another state with the condition that they provide mental health services for her. This happened in Florida.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
35. "To Late", she said.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jun 2016
IMO, Truer words were never spoken about why America needs more reasonable gun control.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
38. This family knew they had a problem, yet did nothing about it.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jun 2016

When a family member reaches the point where driving a car, or owning a gun, or otherwise operating hazardous equipment, can no longer be done safely then the family has a responsibility to resolve the problem for the safety of the family and the community.

Been there, done that.

Unfortunately, this family did not do what needed to be done and paid the ultimate price for that mistake.

While this may sound like victim blaming, everyone needs to remember that the person primarily responsible for your safety is you.

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