Bin Laden's son threatens revenge for father's assassination - monitor

[Night Watchman]

Source: Reuters

Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:47pm IST

The son of slain al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has threatened revenge against the United States for assassinating his father, according to an audio message posted online.

Hamza bin Laden promised to continue the global militant group's fight against the United States and its allies in the 21-minute speech entitled "We Are All Osama," according to the SITE Intelligence Group.

"We will continue striking you and targeting you in your country and abroad in response to your oppression of the people of Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and the rest of the Muslim lands that did not survive your oppression," Hamza said.

"As for the revenge by the Islamic nation for Sheikh Osama, may Allah have mercy on him, it is not revenge for Osama the person but it is revenge for those who defended Islam."

Read more: http://in.reuters.com/article/usa-security-qaeda-idINKCN0ZQ0A6

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The son? I thought OBL had twenty or more!

[jmowreader]

2. He is believed to have between 20 and 26 children

That's okay Hamza, we've got plenty of Predator drones, Tomahawk missiles, 2000-pound bombs, and Green Berets for your sorry ass.

[Kelvin Mace]

10. Great.

Because murdering people solves eveything.

[cstanleytech]

15. Of course it doesn't solve everything but it solves one specific problem which

is it removes an asshole before they can carry out such a threat, granted I would prefer they find and arrest these assholes and put them on trial but that's not always possible sadly.

[Kelvin Mace]

17. Yes, but one person's asshole

is another person's father/brother/son etc, and then there are the dozens of innocent people who invariably die because they were "in the way". There families will understand.

But by all means, keep up on killing.

[cstanleytech]

18. Long as you have nutjobs like the bin Laden's the killing is unlikely to stop. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

38. As long as you have nutjobs like

Nixon, Kissinger, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, Blair, et al, the killings are unlikely to cease.

[cstanleytech]

40. Just to point out though that Bin Ladens group instituted attacks on the US before

Bush was ever in office and the intel shows they were also planning 9/11 before he was in office as well so you cant blame Bush for inciting them.

[Kelvin Mace]

42. Which Bush?

I think Poppy Bush was quite instrumental in radicalizing and arming the forerunner to the Taliban against the Soviets back in the 80s. Poppy decided to invade Iraq the first time around, then stationed troops in Saudi Arabia permanently, which is what set off people like bin Laden on their crusade.

BushCo sanctioned torture and other war crimes which drives these people to this day. Obama has blood on his hands due to his continuation and expansion of Bush's murder-by-drone program.

We have rained far more misery and death down upon these people than they have ever inflicted on us. As long as we keep it up, they will keep coming after us.

[cstanleytech]

45. Either actually, Sr had been out of office for years before 9/11 and jr barely had started. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

46. bin Laden was put in motion

By Reagan and Poppy Bush. That led to 9/11.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_the_80s/

[cstanleytech]

48. Clearly the man held a grudge to his grave. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

49. And now his son, (or sons, and/or other relatives)

have inherited that grudge. So we kill them, and their children want revenge, and seek to kill us.

And on, and on the cycle goes.

[cstanleytech]

50. Unfortunately this isnt a TV show

and I doubt that Bonnie (Bin Laden) would be so willing to forgive and forget with hugs all around if the US tried to be like Kate, in fact I suspect Bin Ladens son would be more like Missy.

[Kelvin Mace]

53. No, it is not a TV show

That doesn't make what he said any less true.

After all is said and done, people eventually have to sit down and do what they have been avoiding: Talk to each other.

The question is how many people have to die before that happens? Each person that dies, perpetuates the violence. And these little wars can spin out of control unexpectedly. One day you just killing a pompous royal, heir to a dying monarchy, then a few weeks later people start dying by the thousands, then the hundreds of thousands, and then the millions. Take a twenty year break, and go at it one more time, this time add mass extermination and nuclear weapons.

Sooner or later, one of these little adventure will be the next Pricep at Sarajevo, and then we'll START with nuclear weapons.

[cstanleytech]

54. Well if he wants to talk I am willing to bet the US would agree to a sit down

and would be willing to atleast listen but he would have to probably agree not to make anymore threats until said talks were over.


EDIT: Also I just got done rewatching that episode about an 30 before you posted the video lol

[Kelvin Mace]

55. But why would he be willing to talk when U.S. forces still occupy

(illegally) Iraq and have committed war crimes? We are the people with the flowery ideals about life and liberty, shouldn't we be the ones to act the adult and stop killing and start talking?

Actually, the Doctor's speech reminded me of this one, which has lots of echos of arguments I have heard in the last 15 years about the Middle East in general, and Iraq/Iran in particular.

[cstanleytech]

56. The US troops have almost been pulled out a number of times though and if jr wants them out

for good the varies militia leaders just need to stop trying to use weapons and bombings to destabilize the current Iraqi government and just use the Teaparty method and get some uneducated suckers to vote them into office.

[Kelvin Mace]

58. Almost isn't enough

and when the U.S. is backing with troops (no matter how few) money and weapons those viewed as illegitimate by these people, the violence will not stop. If we want the things to improve in Iraq we need to get out, stop bombing them, and stop selling weapons to anyone with cash.

Again, we are the "civilized" people with high ideals and morals. We NEVER should have invaded, but we did and all we did was make the situation worse. It will never improve until we get out. Completely.

If France had led an EU Coalition Force into this country in 2001 to "force regime change" after George W. Bush was illegally appointed president by the Supreme Court, I might welcome them at first. But once they bomb my home to rubble, destroy the economy, kill my family and hall me off to prison because my neighbor, who doesn't like me, got paid for turning me in as a "Bush Supporter", where I am tortured and humiliated; what is my attitude going to be when I get a chance express myself? When all that I love and care about is taken from me and I have nothing less to lose, how will I lash out at my oppressors? What weapons will I avail myself to when I am out-manned and out-gunned?

The most dangerous people in the world, are those with nothing left to lose. We anger them out our peril.

[Kelvin Mace]

39. So, it is permissible for a person to be killed simply for a threat?

Okay, seems a pretty dangerous standard to establish. Wait, now someone will tell me it is about the credibility of the threat, but then who decides what is credible?

The more murders we commit, the more people who will want our blood. The cycle will NEVER end.

[cstanleytech]

41. Actually I prefer that Bin Ladens son turn himself into the police as it would

render having to use a drone on him a moot point entirely but I somehow dont think he will be choosing that option.

[Kelvin Mace]

43. He'll do that the day after Dick Cheney

turns himself in to The International Court of Human Rights.

[cstanleytech]

44. I kinda doubt we will see either of those events happen sadly. nt

[TipTok]

23. Murder is a legal term with a specific defition...

Killing folks absolutely solves some problems... Certainly not all...

[Kelvin Mace]

37. Hiding behind legalism is what allows

people to commit the most gruesome crimes, murder being just the beginning.

[TipTok]

61. Are you suggesting...

... that even the use of a common legal term (near universal) is a step too far?

What is your alternative? Just use any word to describe your feelings and hope that no one notices?

[Kelvin Mace]

62. There's "murder"

which is what happens when someone kills someone you value with malice, or with complete indifference. And then there is "murder" the legalistic principle the people doing the killing will use to tell you that what they did isn't "murder", because the way they interpret the word, doesn't meet the definition.

Another example would "torture" What you call torture, they call "enhanced interrogation", and they get very angry when you dare to call it torture, since say, waterboarding, does not meet the legal criteria for torture.

So, we don't "murder innocent people with a drone", we "service a target with high energy kinetic ordinance, which inadvertently resulted in collateral damage during the pursuit of a high value person of interest."

To the families of the dead, it seems the same, but that's just because they don't appreciate the subtlety of the U.S. legal system.

[AngryAmish]

57. Ask Hulagu.

It really does solve a few problems.

[Botany]

3. Congrats OBL Jr. you have now become somebody's job

And BTW your dad was taken out for being a no good killer.

[dembotoz]

4. always nice to see the offspring take up the family buisiness

son seems to be aware the family business killed the old man and quite possibly do the same to him....

and hopefully soon

[Soxfan58]

5. Your father

Was a murderer, who used his faith as a reason to cause unbelievable carnage. If you chose to follow in his footsteps, maybe we can bury you in the same sea.

[The Wizard]

6. So the son of a mass murderer

seeks revenge. That means the 9-11 family members who lost their loved ones should wipe out the entire bin Laden clan.

[Cryptoad]

7. Take a number and get in line.,,,,,,,,,

[geek tragedy]

8. Because he was totally not hostile before nt

[LuvNewcastle]

9. If I were Hamza, I think I would be

trying to stay out of the spotlight, not calling attention to myself. Hope this is all worth it for him.

[7962]

11. I cant believe the 1st ten posts we're all on the same page!

how great is that?

[JonathanRackham]

12. Now he'll never get off the no fly list.

[Kennah]

13. Praise Allah he can still buy a gun n/t

[msanthrope]

27. Fuck me if you didn't just win the Internets today. nt

[Moostache]

14. So, suicide by drone is a thing now? n/t

[cstanleytech]

16. Might not even need drones though. Imagine the possibilities for orbital railguns?

I mean with just a few of those in orbit you could have the ability to potentially take out any single target in the world.

[Sand Rat Expat]

20. Some years ago...

I read about a concept the Department of Defense is either working on or strongly considering. The basic idea was an orbital platform equipped with missile-sized but explosively inert rods of tungsten-carbide (or it may have been just tungsten). They'd release the rod in such a way that Earth's gravity would pull it down, and of course they'd use computers to make certain the rod struck a precise spot. Given the mass of the rod and the speed at which it would be traveling when it struck the ground, it'd be comparable to the impact of a large meteorite in explosive force, but completely without any kind of radioactive fallout. A kinder, gentler ICBM, if you will.

I remember being more than a little amused at the nickname they gave this proposed weapons system: Rods from God.

[cstanleytech]

21. Well in this case I was thinking more along the lines of something smaller so it's impact

would be confined as much as possible since it would be considered a weapon of mass destruction if it could take out a large target like an entire neighborhood and by treaty that's a no no.

[Sand Rat Expat]

24. I think the original idea was to replace the bunker-busters, nuclear and otherwise.

The Rods from God were suggested as a way to deal with Al Qaeda hidey-holes in the mountainous regions in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Conventional bunker-busters only work so well, and nuclear bunker-busters are obviously something you don't want to use regularly.

The kinetic energy from the impact of a missile-sized hunk of tungsten would pretty much eliminate anyone hiding underground in its area of impact, or at the very least collapse the cave system and render it no longer accessible. I'd imagine the concept could be adapted with smaller projectiles in order to, say, collapse a single building without harming nearby structures the way explosives ordinarily would.

That said, seems an awful lot like overkill, using an orbital superweapon to take out some guys hunkered down in a cave in the middle of nowhere.

[cstanleytech]

25. Ya but if I had a choice I would choose taking them out while they are hunkered down in a cave

vs them being in a heavily populated city any day of the week as in the city there is a far higher risk of killing an innocent bystander than with them cowering in a cave.

[Sand Rat Expat]

28. Agree 100% NT

[SwankyXomb]

34. Yes, but

if you don't use the orbital superweapon, you can't get Congress to pony up for more of them.

[Sand Rat Expat]

35. A very cynical, albeit true, point well taken. NT

[cstanleytech]

59. For that to happen though the world would have to change to one where such a thing doesnt have to be

used at all I would call that a win if that were to happen for everyone except the people who build such things.

[father founding]

19. long life

he is safe for about 20 years, thats how long it will take for the CIA to find him.

[The Second Stone]

22. Hamza gonna be shredded chedder when he pokes

his head up.

[Mz Pip]

26. 15 years later?

Where's he been all this time?

[arcane1]

51. Like when a sitcom starts getting stale and they write in a new relative, or neighbor, etc.

[Bucky]

63. Cousin Oliver bin Laden

He was an adorable little tyke 15 years ago. He's 25 now, plenty old enough to use his grampa's millions to hire suicide chumps

[no_hypocrisy]

29. Al Qaeda was going to continue revenge against the US even if Bin Laden lived.

Changing the reason justifies a press release?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

30. That's My Boy

See how clear he says, "derail the train"?

[Blandocyte]

31. Is this the same son

who years ago laughed and said America does brave and effective ops (like the one that brought his dad to justice) only in fantasy movies?

If he's looking to fight oppression, he should take stock of how fundy Islam treats people in the countries he mentioned. It just wants to lay a massive bummer on everyone. Fight the real oppressor.

[Ash_F]

32. I understand that it was not an assassination

He was alleged to have been armed with a rifle at the time he was shot, if I recall.

[truthisfreedom]

36. Must be suffering from a lack of attention.

Should be interesting when he gets the attention he's looking for.

[GOLGO 13]

47. Let's reunite father & son as quickly as possible Mr. President.

[BlueStater]

52. His father was killed five years ago. Why did it take this goofball so long to respond? n/t

[yurbud]

65. Somebody didn't listen to Papa Bush: you can't kill a boogey man twice

which is why he left Saddam alive at the end of the Gulf War.

Second best to a live boogey is the SON of the boogey man.

This is the neocons clearing their throat before they ride back into town with Hillary.

[JCMach1]

60. I am sure somewhere out there there is a drone with his name on it...

[yurbud]

64. Either this guy is incredibly stupid or this story is fake.

[Masked Dissident]

66. Al Qaeda Needs To Put Up or Shut Up

Unfortunately. Isis is making Al-Qaeda irrelevant in the U.S but fortunately Isis is now relevant to the U.S. I wish these groups would go away.