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Night Watchman

(743 posts)
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 06:47 PM Jul 2016

Kansas City Star Apologizes for Op-Ed Implying Rape is the Victim’s Fault

Source: Mediaite

by Ken Meyer | 5:23 pm, July 10th, 2016

The Kansas City Star is doing damage control Sunday after getting a lot of negative feedback for a guest column that appeared to victim-blame raped women.

In a column called “Women can take action to prevent rapes,” Laura Herrick wrote that women who don’t want to be sexually assaulted shouldn’t allow themselves to get so drunk that they can be taken advantage of. While The Star has already taken the column off their website, Jezebel flagged various parts of the article that seem to imply that the woman can be blamed in such a scenario:

“As women, shouldn’t we take responsibility for our bodies by not becoming so intoxicated that we don’t know what is happening? Every woman should know her drink limit and stop there.

No, she’s not asking to be raped by being drunk. But isn’t it her responsibility to reduce the risk by not getting to that point? And if you wake up the morning after doing the ‘walk of shame’ don’t yell rape if you regret your actions of the night before. Accept your role in what happened, learn from the experience and move on.”


Herrick’s piece goes on to say that its up to women to control themselves when they drink, and that “If she was so drunk she was unable to make good judgments, then how can we be sure that she has any idea what actually happened?”

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/kansas-city-star-apologizes-for-op-ed-implying-rape-is-the-victims-fault/



The worst part? Herrick is a school teacher!
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Iggo

(47,552 posts)
1. Fucking moron.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jul 2016


Also, am I right to assume that some editor read it and said, "Nothing wrong with that. Run it!" ???
 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
2. Keep you hands to your fucking self unless you have explicit permission to do otherwise...
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jul 2016

is that really so hard to fucking follow? It obviously applies to all other appendages as well.

Fact is that its not my responsibility to make sure you aren't the molesting sort. I don't give a shit if I passed out drunk, naked and spreadeagled, that does not give you permission to touch me at all. Its not complicated people, and being a little intoxicated yourself isn't an excuse.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
9. Right wing logic...
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 08:35 PM
Jul 2016

"If only those pesky victims would take some responsibility, then there wouldn't be any rapes!"

Response to Night Watchman (Reply #8)

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
5. I hear this bullshit from a lot of women who consider themselves "good girls"
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jul 2016

They give this idiotic advice because they think if they keep on following it, they can never be raped.

A woman who gets pee on herself drunk might be an object of scorn just like a man in that condition is, but neither is participating in anything that happens to them beyond that--not assault, not robbery and not rape. The fault is 100% with the criminal.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
6. Being drunk is not an excuse committing crime. Being drunk is not to blame for being a victim.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jul 2016

There are some situations where being drunk would be a foolish move, like being drunk flashing a Rolex in a dark crime-ridden part of town. There are some victim situations where being drunk often makes prosecution difficult and unfortunately rape stands out among those.

But, regardless, there are NO situations where being drunk is to blame for being a victim. It does not matter if it is rape or Rolex robbery. It does not matter if it happens at the docks or a college dorm.

Some otherwise intelligent people need to be reminded of this basic truth, like college swimmers and op-ed writers.

progree

(10,907 posts)
14. THE OP-ED in full (lots of, umm, interesting statements)
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

Posted at: http://www.imediaethics.org/kansas-city-star-apologizes-rape-op-ed-never-published/
[hr]
Let me preface this by saying that I empathize with women who have been raped. These women have
endured terrible experiences and need to know that what happened was not their fault and that
whatever they did to stay alive was the right thing.

I would also like to remind men that “no means no” (and if someone is too drunk to say no, then no is
implied); that no matter what a woman wears or does, she isn’t “asking for it”; and that if men witness a
woman being treated inappropriately, they need to step in and attempt to stop what is happening.
I saw a quote on Facebook that said, “When a woman drinks too much she expects to wake up the next
day hung over, not raped.” I agree.

But as women, shouldn’t we take responsibility for our bodies by not becoming so intoxicated that we
don’t know what is happening? Every woman should know her drink limit and stop there.

No, she’s not asking to be raped by being drunk. But isn’t it her responsibility to reduce the risk by not
getting to that point? And if you wake up the morning after doing the “walk of shame” don’t yell rape if
you regret your actions of the night before.

Accept your role in what happened, learn from the experience and move on. Women want to be treated
as sexual equals when it comes to desires, the ability to have casual encounters and the enjoyment of
sex. But some women act on this freedom then want to deny their involvement later.

Every woman who falsely accuses a man of rape makes the battle harder for women who are actually
raped. And the lives and reputations of the men who are falsely accused are often irreparably
destroyed.

When men drink, their decision-making abilities are also limited. If a woman was too drunk to know
what she was doing and should be excused for what happened, then why are men not allowed to be too
drunk to make good decisions?

And if a woman is so intoxicated that she can’t remember giving consent for sex, then how can she know
that she didn’t give consent?

If she was so drunk she was unable to make good judgments, then how can we be sure that she has any
idea what actually happened?

Maybe she forced herself on the man. Or maybe she initiated the encounter.

I am not talking about the extreme situations like group rape or the Stanford incident. Those men should
be held accountable for their inexcusable actions.

I am talking about the casual encounters many people have had — waking up the next day and realizing
they are next to someone in bed and being embarrassed and regretful that it happened.

Why not stop worrying about other people’s casual encounters and individual regret and start having a
productive conversation about sexual assault, rape, reeducation, equality, and all the other things you
clearly need help understanding.

I hate that I have to tell my son that if he sees a drunk, unconscious woman, he needs to either run the
other direction or find women to help her.

Men should be able to help a drunk female without thinking about calling a lawyer first. And people
should be able to interact sexually with someone they are attracted to without fear of being convicted
of a crime.

Bottom line: Men, stop acting like animals and having sex with anything that breathes, and intervene
when you see a situation that you know is wrong.

And women, take charge of your bodies and your sexuality by being sober enough to stop unwanted
advances and sober enough to actually enjoy sex when you choose to have it.

JGug1

(320 posts)
15. I Read The KC Star
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jul 2016

is there any way to have any kind of rational discussion about this piece?

I just didn't experience it as being as bad as it is being made out to be.

For example, there is no way that a drunk woman can make a rational decision about having sex. No one will disagree with that. So, comes the problem of a drunk male being held responsible for making a rational decision about proceeding with sex with a drunk woman. How can that be right?

I think her example of a male having to ignore a drunk women in trouble or get a woman to help is nonsense. A sober male, not motivated to assist a drunk woman and not take advantage of her isn't much of a human being

I don't think it should be anymore the responsibility of a woman to control her drinking than a man to control his drinking. Does anyone here? How about vice versa?

lark

(23,099 posts)
17. What a total F*ing idiot!
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jul 2016

I am so sick of women hating other women and always making the man "right", regardless of what heinous action he takes. I just can't understand why this happens so frequently here. Even at work, I hear people make statements like, we need some men in this area, women are too bitchy. How stupid. Who kills people the most, men. Who are responsible for most of the world's wars - men. Being drunk is no excuse for a man to rape a woman. Yes, it's good advice not to get drunk. Being drunk makes you a lot more vulnerable and a lot more likely to get in trouble. I don't get drunk because I don't like the loss of control. However, it is never a reason for a woman to be raped. Women get raped whether they are drunk or not. Being drunk just gives the horrible assholes an easier time in raping, it doesn't cause it. Hate, stupidity, narcissism, and disrespect for women cause rape, not the woman having one drink too many.

progree

(10,907 posts)
18. I was shamed and blamed for being mugged when I staggered out of a bar at 2am
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

while I was walking 6 blocks to my bus stop. I was beaten too, lots of medical bills. And yet it wasn't me that did the beating and robbing, it was those two miscreants that did it. So how am I responsible? I don't get it.

But I was told that I shouldn't be walking around visibly impaired at 2 am in a dicey neighborhood, with a backpack and two shopping bags. That I should use some common sense. Like take a taxi under those circumstances, don't get so drunk, yada yada. All this victim blaming, wow!



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