Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:04 PM
NWCorona (8,541 posts)
APNewsBreak: 2 Vermont DNC delegates replaced due to gender
Source: AP
A complaint to the Democratic National Convention says two male Vermont delegates were replaced by women in the name of “gender balance” and without adequate due process. The complaint, filed by 21 Vermont Democrats, says the national party this month ordered the state party to replace Vermont Sen. Tim Ashe and party stalwart Ken Dean although Dean and Ashe were elected June 11. Dean, Ashe and their female replacements support Sen. Bernie Sanders over presumptive presidential nominee Hillary Clinton Read more: http://wtop.com/elections/2016/07/apnewsbreak-2-vermont-dnc-delegates-replaced-due-to-gender/
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NWCorona | Jul 2016 | OP |
pnwmom | Jul 2016 | #1 | |
NWCorona | Jul 2016 | #2 | |
pnwmom | Jul 2016 | #4 | |
NWCorona | Jul 2016 | #6 | |
zazen | Jul 2016 | #3 | |
Bradical79 | Jul 2016 | #20 | |
runaway hero | Jul 2016 | #21 | |
Recursion | Jul 2016 | #22 | |
runaway hero | Jul 2016 | #23 | |
7962 | Jul 2016 | #5 | |
pnwmom | Jul 2016 | #9 | |
LanternWaste | Jul 2016 | #18 | |
7962 | Jul 2016 | #19 | |
red dog 1 | Jul 2016 | #7 | |
pnwmom | Jul 2016 | #10 | |
displacedtexan | Jul 2016 | #11 | |
liberal N proud | Jul 2016 | #8 | |
The Second Stone | Jul 2016 | #12 | |
pnwmom | Jul 2016 | #14 | |
Lancero | Jul 2016 | #13 | |
Name removed | Jul 2016 | #15 | |
BainsBane | Jul 2016 | #16 | |
philosslayer | Jul 2016 | #17 |
Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:18 PM
pnwmom (107,317 posts)
1. The question is why it wasn't gender balanced in the first place, as the rules required. nt
Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:20 PM
NWCorona (8,541 posts)
2. That's a great question! If so
The rules should have been followed from jump to avoid these optics.
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Response to NWCorona (Reply #2)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:29 PM
pnwmom (107,317 posts)
4. Apparently they were hoping to get a waiver from the rules. But why was this ever
allowed in the first place, when they had women Bernie supporters ready and willing to take their place?
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/07/11/gender-imbalance-shakes-up-vermont-democratic-delegation |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:31 PM
NWCorona (8,541 posts)
6. I can agree with that.
Thanks for the link
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Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:24 PM
zazen (2,978 posts)
3. this ongoing trivialization of feminism as cover for corporate liberalism is sickening n/t
Response to zazen (Reply #3)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:26 PM
Bradical79 (4,490 posts)
20. I'm not sure what you mean by "corporate liberalism" -nt
Response to Bradical79 (Reply #20)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:05 PM
runaway hero (835 posts)
21. neoliberalism, etc.
Response to runaway hero (Reply #21)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:08 PM
Recursion (56,523 posts)
22. "etc." doesn't make the vacuous term "neoliberalism" any more clear (nt)
Response to Recursion (Reply #22)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:09 PM
runaway hero (835 posts)
23. Understood.
Didn't want to spill pasta while I'm eating tonight...
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Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:30 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
5. No need to vote, we'll TELL you who to install!!!
Why not just cancel the voting and save money of you're going to ignore the outcomes
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Response to 7962 (Reply #5)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:42 PM
pnwmom (107,317 posts)
9. They're not ignoring the outcomes. Two women Bernie supporters will replace two men.
The rules call for an gender-balanced group of pledged delegates (though the supers are almost all men) and they were hoping for a waiver. They didn't get one. Big deal.
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Response to 7962 (Reply #5)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:14 PM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
18. Your righteous indignation and dramatic passion seems to be getting in the way
Your righteous indignation and dramatic passion seems to be getting in the way of your awareness of both the facts and the context.
However, I do realize righteous indignation is trendy and popular... and much easier than a studied analysis of facts presented; and looks better on commercially branded t-shirts, as well (if the appropriate typeface is used, that is)! |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #18)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:43 PM
7962 (11,841 posts)
19. Righteous indignation is a requirement of membership to DU!
Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:33 PM
red dog 1 (24,874 posts)
7. Strange story!
"Executive director Conor Casey of the Vermont Democratic Party said Thursday the state party was trying to follow national party requirements."?
WHAT "national party requirements"? |
Response to red dog 1 (Reply #7)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:44 PM
pnwmom (107,317 posts)
10. The superdelegates are heavily male, because Congress is heavily male.
But the party rules call for the pledged delegates to be gender and race balanced. And there were plenty of women Bernie supporters offering to be delegates, so there was no reason to choose men instead.
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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #7)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:06 PM
displacedtexan (15,692 posts)
11. See page 7 of the rules.
http://www.demrulz.org/wp-content/files/12.15.14_2016_Delegate_Selection_Documents_Mailing_-_Rules_Call_Regs_Model_Plan_Checklist_12.15.14.pdf C. State Delegate Selection Plans shall provide for equal division between delegate men and delegate women and alternate men and alternate women within the state’s entire convention delegation. For purposes of this rule, the entire delegation includes all pledged delegates and alternates and unpledged delegates (including unpledged party leaders and elected official delegates). |
Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:36 PM
liberal N proud (59,608 posts)
8. I bet there is more to the story
There always is.
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Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:10 PM
The Second Stone (2,900 posts)
12. This is a long standing rule
and it should come as no surprise. If they want to change it, they need to start now for 2020.
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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #12)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:43 PM
pnwmom (107,317 posts)
14. And why should they change it? Men are HEAVILY overrepresented in the state's super delegates,
so why can't women have more of the pledged delegate slots?
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Response to NWCorona (Original post)
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Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:38 PM
BainsBane (52,302 posts)
16. Anyone who has participated in delegate elections knows gender balance is required
and in my state that includes non-binary gender identity.
I myself would have liked for more women among the Clinton delegates, but the rules didn't allow it, no more than they allow this. |
Response to NWCorona (Original post)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:02 PM
philosslayer (3,076 posts)
17. Good
Glad this was enforced.
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