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Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:04 PM

APNewsBreak: 2 Vermont DNC delegates replaced due to gender

Source: AP

A complaint to the Democratic National Convention says two male Vermont delegates were replaced by women in the name of “gender balance” and without adequate due process.

The complaint, filed by 21 Vermont Democrats, says the national party this month ordered the state party to replace Vermont Sen. Tim Ashe and party stalwart Ken Dean although Dean and Ashe were elected June 11.

Dean, Ashe and their female replacements support Sen. Bernie Sanders over presumptive presidential nominee Hillary Clinton

Read more: http://wtop.com/elections/2016/07/apnewsbreak-2-vermont-dnc-delegates-replaced-due-to-gender/

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Reply APNewsBreak: 2 Vermont DNC delegates replaced due to gender (Original post)
NWCorona Jul 2016 OP
pnwmom Jul 2016 #1
NWCorona Jul 2016 #2
pnwmom Jul 2016 #4
NWCorona Jul 2016 #6
zazen Jul 2016 #3
Bradical79 Jul 2016 #20
runaway hero Jul 2016 #21
Recursion Jul 2016 #22
runaway hero Jul 2016 #23
7962 Jul 2016 #5
pnwmom Jul 2016 #9
LanternWaste Jul 2016 #18
7962 Jul 2016 #19
red dog 1 Jul 2016 #7
pnwmom Jul 2016 #10
displacedtexan Jul 2016 #11
liberal N proud Jul 2016 #8
The Second Stone Jul 2016 #12
pnwmom Jul 2016 #14
Lancero Jul 2016 #13
Name removed Jul 2016 #15
BainsBane Jul 2016 #16
philosslayer Jul 2016 #17

Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:18 PM

1. The question is why it wasn't gender balanced in the first place, as the rules required. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:20 PM

2. That's a great question! If so

The rules should have been followed from jump to avoid these optics.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:29 PM

4. Apparently they were hoping to get a waiver from the rules. But why was this ever

allowed in the first place, when they had women Bernie supporters ready and willing to take their place?

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/07/11/gender-imbalance-shakes-up-vermont-democratic-delegation

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:31 PM

6. I can agree with that.

Thanks for the link

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:24 PM

3. this ongoing trivialization of feminism as cover for corporate liberalism is sickening n/t

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Response to zazen (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:26 PM

20. I'm not sure what you mean by "corporate liberalism" -nt

 

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:05 PM

21. neoliberalism, etc.

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Response to runaway hero (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:08 PM

22. "etc." doesn't make the vacuous term "neoliberalism" any more clear (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 06:09 PM

23. Understood.

Didn't want to spill pasta while I'm eating tonight...

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:30 PM

5. No need to vote, we'll TELL you who to install!!!

 

Why not just cancel the voting and save money of you're going to ignore the outcomes

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Response to 7962 (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:42 PM

9. They're not ignoring the outcomes. Two women Bernie supporters will replace two men.

The rules call for an gender-balanced group of pledged delegates (though the supers are almost all men) and they were hoping for a waiver. They didn't get one. Big deal.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:14 PM

18. Your righteous indignation and dramatic passion seems to be getting in the way

 

Your righteous indignation and dramatic passion seems to be getting in the way of your awareness of both the facts and the context.

However, I do realize righteous indignation is trendy and popular... and much easier than a studied analysis of facts presented; and looks better on commercially branded t-shirts, as well (if the appropriate typeface is used, that is)!

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:43 PM

19. Righteous indignation is a requirement of membership to DU!

 

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:33 PM

7. Strange story!

"Executive director Conor Casey of the Vermont Democratic Party said Thursday the state party was trying to follow national party requirements."?

WHAT "national party requirements"?

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:44 PM

10. The superdelegates are heavily male, because Congress is heavily male.

But the party rules call for the pledged delegates to be gender and race balanced. And there were plenty of women Bernie supporters offering to be delegates, so there was no reason to choose men instead.

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:06 PM

11. See page 7 of the rules.


http://www.demrulz.org/wp-content/files/12.15.14_2016_Delegate_Selection_Documents_Mailing_-_Rules_Call_Regs_Model_Plan_Checklist_12.15.14.pdf


C. State Delegate Selection Plans shall provide for equal division between delegate men and delegate women and alternate men and alternate women within the state’s entire convention delegation. For purposes of this rule, the entire delegation includes all pledged delegates and alternates and unpledged delegates (including unpledged party leaders and elected official delegates).

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:36 PM

8. I bet there is more to the story

There always is.

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:10 PM

12. This is a long standing rule

 

and it should come as no surprise. If they want to change it, they need to start now for 2020.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 06:43 PM

14. And why should they change it? Men are HEAVILY overrepresented in the state's super delegates,

so why can't women have more of the pledged delegate slots?

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:49 PM

13. POMS

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:38 PM

16. Anyone who has participated in delegate elections knows gender balance is required

and in my state that includes non-binary gender identity.

I myself would have liked for more women among the Clinton delegates, but the rules didn't allow it, no more than they allow this.

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Response to NWCorona (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:02 PM

17. Good

 

Glad this was enforced.

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