Munich shooting: Police say nine dead as manhunt continues

[MowCowWhoHow III]

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Source: BBC

German police are engaged in a huge anti-terror manhunt in the city of Munich after nine people died in a shopping mall shooting.

Police are investigating whether one of the bodies is that of a perpetrator.

The attackers were earlier reported still on the run. Witnesses said they had seen three with guns. Police urged people to avoid public places.

The attack was at the Olympia mall in the north-western Moosach district. Public transport has been suspended.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36870874

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[NWCorona]

1. And I just finished reading this

"A vast majority of Germans believe terrorism will soon strike Germany, with 77 percent fearing an attack will take place in the near future, according to a new survey."


http://www.thelocal.de/20160722/seventy-seven-percent-of-germans-fear-terror-attack-soon

[yeoman6987]

4. That is really chilling

It is weird because I heard this morning that 77 percent worried about a terror attach. I hope it wasn't terrorism at all.

[Lucky Luciano]

2. Animals gotta do what animals do. nt

[FigTree]

33. There's always a purpose.

Even if it's not evident or conscious on the part of the aggressor. This purpose is often, if not always, a retribution for, perceived or real, humiliation.

[7962]

38. No, its NOT "in our nature". Its IS the nature of animals.

Because violence is how animals feed and protect themselves. Humans dont have a built in need to kill each other to eat or live.
When a person is attacked by an animal, we all say well, thats what they DO.

[Agnosticsherbet]

51. We are animals, evolved from animals. Our brain is a wonderful thing, but it does not insulate us

from fear, foolishness, or our animal nature.

History shows that a people constantly under attack will almost always surrender freedom for the promise of security.

[7962]

54. I certainly agree with your last sentence. And its coming.

Unless the EU reigns in the flood of muslim MEN coming in from areas that arent even war zones, people are going to mover further to the right, and insist on MORE restrictions of rights.
And it will happen here as well

[Agnosticsherbet]

58. The reigning in of "Muslim MEN coming in from areas" is a loss of freedom.

It will get worse.

[7962]

77. Its not a loss of freedom for Germans. And its their country.

THEY have a right to expect the government to stop the flow of people from areas that are known to be havens for terrorism. Any country does.
If those men want the same freedoms, change the laws of THEIR country. Dont try moving into another country and demanding that THEY be accommodated

[karynnj]

157. Are you intentionally channeling Trump?

Not to mention the Muslim population in Europe goes back decades. There are Muslims born 40 or 50 years ago in Europe. Are they Germans yet?

[7962]

158. ANd how many of those native born citizens have been committing these attacks?

You can continue to ignore the problems of hundreds of thousands of people flooding the continent in a short time. Thats the reality they are facing in Europe. Not to mention the fact that the terrorists dont even try to hide that they intend to send their people in with the so called "refugees". Like it or not, thats the REAL world as it is today. And you're more worried about "channeling trump"?

I dont know if this guy today is one yet, but we'll know soon enough. The rest of them we DO know.

[Spacedog1973]

165. Maybe they should build a wall

In Germany? /s

[7962]

174. They dont need a wall if they enforce their borders.

They've just been letting them flood in with NO control. Many with not even a fingerprint taken.

So what do UYOU suggest they do? How should they handle the flood of people who dont like "western" ways of living? You dont see a problem with opening the border to who ever wants to come in?

[karynnj]

175. He was born and raised in Munich

That probably mean that his parents lived there in 1998 - before 911, the Iraq war etc. I have read nothing about his family, but there were many Iranians studying abroad or working abroad in 1979 who opted not to return to Iran when it became an Islamic State. It is entirely possible that his parents were among them or fled Iran later.

Sadly, it seems that he was mentally ill and fascinated by mass murder.

[Democat]

83. If German women live in fear of being raped are they free?

You can't just look at what men want.

[MineralMan]

81. Humans ARE animals. We are primates and mammals.

Like all carnivorous animals, we kill other animals for food. Unlike many other animals, we also attack our own species with some frequency. Anyone who thinks human beings are not animals simply doesn't understand zoology. Killing is in our nature, and we kill to eat, just like other carnivores. We often pay others to kill the animals we eat, though, unlike other mammals.

We're not so special, really. We're just extra intelligent, which does nothing to take us out of the animal kingdom.

As mammals, we mate like all mammals and give birth in the same way as other mammals and produce milk to feed our very young offspring. Like other primates, we gather in groups for protection and other reasons. Like other primates, we use tools.

The only difference is that we're smart enough to make our own tools, right up to ones that let us kill other animals, including other humans, at long distances and in large numbers. We're better at killing other animals than other animals, but we are no different in most ways.

[24601]

167. Omnivores - sometimes I have salad before the meat. But I recall information that said switching to

was what allowed the human brain to develop since we didn't have to spend 10 hours eating enough plants to sustain us.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/taste-raw-meat-may-have-helped-shape-human-evolution-180958371/?no-ist

[Aristus]

7. More like the line from "Revenge Of The Nerds."

"Computers aren't inhuman. Only humans can be inhuman."

[Agnosticsherbet]

35. From MIB: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."

Constant attacks against a people put them in survival mode, and they will surrender their freedoms to any tinpot dictator that promises them security.

Freedom is dangerous.

My only concern with Donald Trump is that an October Surprise in the form of a terrorist attack here will drive a majority of Americans to accept this false promise of security. Trump will Goose Step us into a war so fast it will make everyone's head spin.

France has moved right, as has England. Germany will follow. And so goes the neighborhood.

[rollin74]

3. several people reportedly killed

[oberliner]

5. One dead, 10 injured in shooting at Munich shopping centre: police source

From the AFP:

AFP news agency ?@AFP 2m2 minutes ago
#BREAKING One dead, 10 injured in shooting at Munich shopping centre: police source

[leftynyc]

9. No word on the shooter yet? (n/t)

[oberliner]

10. Not that I've heard or seen

Sadly, though, the death toll appears like it will be going up.

[leftynyc]

13. I was hoping the dead

person was the shooter.

[GummyBearz]

31. *beep beep beep*

I have a guess but it would get me in trouble :X

[philosslayer]

42. None of us knows

It could be anyone. Guesses at this point are irresponsible.

[GummyBearz]

47. Yea

Waiting for the inevitable isn't fun though. So guessing makes up for it. Lets see who committed the last 5 such attacks in Germany? I'll start guessing there and see if I'm right

[MosheFeingold]

73. There are three shooters

That's a relative level of organization and planning only seen by terrorists.

Now, there are plenty of other terrorists in this world outside radical Islamic terrorists, but I doubt it was them, as should you.

Common sense should not be sacrificed on the alter of political correctness.

[philosslayer]

109. And the truth should not be sacrificed on the alter of expediency

Speculation is pointless. We will know soon enough.

[christx30]

121. Everyone keeps saying there are three

but all of the pictures seem to be of the same guy. First was footage where he opens fire in front of a McDonald's. The other where he is on the roof of the parking garage. The footage also has him yelling back at someone that's insulting him. The person on the camera is claiming insults about Turks. The shooter is yelling back that he is German, if he grew up on public assistance.
So possible native born, but who knows what the motivation is. He is probably either ISIS, recruited online, but he's a right winger hating the immigration situation. The fact is we don't know anything right now, we won't know until he is captured or killed, and they turn his life his inside out to find out what's going on.

[ansible]

36. Here's a video of a german screaming insults at the shooter

https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/756539012551176194

He's calling him a turk

[MosheFeingold]

78. And a few more choice terms

der Scheissker
Arschloch
Motherfucker

It brought back my days as an MP in Germany.

[Democat]

48. Another DU thread says that the shopping center

Is on the site of the 1972 Olympics where the Israeli athletes were massacred.

[ansible]

8. There's a live news stream from Sky News about it here

[MADem]

11. MSNBC has it up--video of people running, shots being heard in shopping center,

Olympia Einkaufszentrum Shopping Center is the site of the shooting. Not much more information beyond that.

[onehandle]

12. Europe proves again that even moderate gun control isn't enough. nt

[FreeState]

15. Because a couple shootings are way worse than multiple daily shoots here? n/t

[7962]

45. Ha! Germany has very restrictive gun laws, hardly "moderate".

Aside from sport shooting it is VERY hard to legally own a gun in Germany. And MUCH of Europe for that matter.
As a matter of fact, in Germany the police can visit the home of anyone who IS allowed to have a gun to verify its being kept properly. And the punishments are strict

Terrorists dont abide by any gun laws, as evidenced by the weapons they've used. Those are illegal everywhere in the EU

[Kurska]

76. Germany has among the toughest laws on the planet.

What more do you want? Literal Stalinist terror?

[Marengo]

97. Against gun owners? That one would love it.

[LanternWaste]

125. Don't confuse the standard with the aberration-- it's a fallacy to do so.

Don't confuse the standard with the aberration-- it's a fallacy to do so.

[lindysalsagal]

146. That's an American pastime:

We are overly attached to our dogma.

[Angel Martin]

130. Europe proves again that gun control is useless

If I am right this stuff will start happening in England on a regular basis.

[brooklynite]

14. Germany’s Muencher Abendzeitung newspaper is reporting that up to 15 people have been killed

I was wondering why the problem in France weren't carrying over to Germany.

[xocet]

57. FYI: mindestens means "at least".

[Yo_Mama]

65. The police aren't sure, but they have witness reports of three different armed persons

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/das-live-blog-zur-schiesserei-in-muenchen-14353284.html

The hospitals are calling in staff. This doesn't seem good at all.

Am 22.07.2016 gg. 17.50 Uhr meldeten sich Zeugen bei der Polizei und meldeten eine Schießerei im Bereich der Hanauer Straße, die sich dann weiter in die Riesstraße und in das Olympia Einkaufszentrum verlagerte.

Zeugen melden drei verschiedene Personen mit Schusswaffen.

Witnesses reported a shooting in the area of Hanauer Street, then again in Riesstrasse and also in the mall. Witness reported three different individuals with guns.

[B2G]

16. All of these lone wolves are really starting to add up. nt

[totodeinhere]

69. Sky News reports that it's not a lone wolf this time. Three different people are involved

according to reports, but it's a fluid situation and this may or may not be accurate.

[MariaThinks]

80. when is enough enough?

[Democat]

17. Someone will be here soon to blame America

If it hasn't happened already.

[Ilsa]

70. Trump will blame Obama.

Then announce he'll fix the whole problem, and might even have some luck raising the victims from the dead.

[LanternWaste]

126. No more and no less than someone will be here soon to blame Muslims.

No more and no less than someone will be here soon to blame Muslims.

[romanic]

147. Yep

Add gun nuts, 2A, Christians, John Kerry, etc.

[beevul]

18. But...but...but...these things don't happen in nations and places with strict gun control.

[IamTheNoodle]

23. True, Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since they past their tough gun control 20 years ago

Thanks for bringing it up.

[beevul]

34. Wrong, and thank you for allowing Me to prove it.

Its a popular anti-gun talking point though, I'll give you that.

There have been quite a number of them:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

[7962]

46. You knew it was coming, didnt you. nt

[beevul]

116. Well...

That particular talking point is getting common enough that you can't move about freely without tripping over it, so yeah.

[LanternWaste]

127. It's fun to pretend the statistical norm and the aberration are the same thing.

It's fun to pretend the statistical norm and the aberration are the same thing. Children and irrational adults make a habit of it.

[beevul]

134. Apples and oranges are also fun to compare.

Children and irrational adults often get them confused.

[7962]

151. Another fun fact: There are now almost as many guns there as before the "ban"

Something else that doesnt make the news

[IamTheNoodle]

60. Except your wrong, before reform the prior 18 years saw 13 mass shootings, 104 dead

There have been no fatal mass shootings since that time. 'Mass shootings' were defined as five or more victims killed by gunshot, not counting the perpetrator(s).

From 1979 to 1996, total firearm deaths in Australia were declining at an average 3 per cent per year. Since then, the average decline in total firearm deaths has accelerated significantly to 5 per cent annually.


From 1979 to 1996, the average annual rate of total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths was rising at 2.1 per cent per year. Since then, the average annual rate of total nonfirearm suicide and homicide deaths has been declining by 1.4 per cent, supporting a conclusion that there has been no substitution of other lethal means for suicides or homicides.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160622114743.htm

[sarisataka]

103. "defined as five or more victims killed by gunshot"

In the US a mass shooting is been defined as three or more shot. They do not have to be fatalities and the shooter is counted if shot, not just the victims.

So have all of these comparisons of Australia vs US been apples to oranges all along?

[beevul]

122. I wonder...

I wonder, how many America would have, using the same criteria.

I also wonder if the anti-gunners would cry foul if we pro-gun folks started using the same criteria for mass shootings as Australia does, in our debates.

Not.

[beevul]

120. No, I'm NOT wrong.

If you use the same criteria for mass shootings that WE use here in America, there have been MANY.

Hectorville, South Australia 3 dead.

Lockhart, New South Wales 5 dead

Logan, Victoria 3 dead

Sydney café shooting, 8 dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

They may not have had any mass shootings by THEIR definitions, but when we talk about gun control and its ability to stop mass shootings in America, were talking using OUR definitions. And Australian gun control has not stopped mass shootings by OUR definition.


The talking point of "no mass shootings since their gun ban" is bogus.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

152. Six of the eleven since the Port Arthur massacre were not shootings

The shootings, aside from the Islamic related cafe shooting, were all domestic incidents. The majority of deaths were caused by arson.

But you knew that, I'm sure.

[beevul]

154. Did someone say they weren't?

Six of the eleven since the Port Arthur massacre were not shootings The shootings, aside from the Islamic related cafe shooting, were all domestic incidents. The majority of deaths were caused by arson.

Did someone say they weren't?

But you knew that, I'm sure.

Indeed I did, just like I knew that "Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since they past their tough gun control 20 years ago" was a completely false talking point.

You knew that too, didn't you.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

156. They're doing a hell of a lot better than we are

You also knew that

[beevul]

180. Yeah, but its NOT because of their gun control.

Yeah, but its NOT because of their gun control. There are as many or more guns in Australia NOW, as existed pre-ban.

That's just one of many flaws in trying to use Australia as a yardstick.

[Yo_Mama]

43. Sadly, that is quite untrue.

Remember, for example, the cafe shooting/hostage situation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

[NuclearDem]

132. Australia is also an island in the South Pacific.

Not a country in the middle of a continent-wide international union with no internal borders.

[Recursion]

145. Unfortunaly they've had three fairly recently

One mass donestic violence incident, one "standard" mass shooting, amd a pretty famous terrorist attack in Sydney I'm kind of amazed you forgot already.

[JennyHot]

19. terrible

sad news

[Grey Lemercier]

20. welcome to the new normal

[Agnosticsherbet]

21. Incidents such as this fuel the rise of right wing governments in free societies,

as people follow their fears and surrender freedom for the illusion of security.
War will follow.

[IamTheNoodle]

24. We keep funding Wahhabism

What the fk do people expect?

[Agnosticsherbet]

30. The U.S. Government gave a total of $1,472,410 to Saudi Arabia in 2012:

How much money does the U.S. give to Saudi Arabia?
According to our research engine:
The U.S. Government gave a total of $1,472,410 to Saudi Arabia in 2012:

The aid was broken down in the following manner:
Economic
Nonproliferation, Anti-Terrorism, Demining and Related: $473,311
Other State Assistance: $990,099

Military
Military Assistance, Total: $9,000

No, we don't support Wahhabism. Saudi Arabia does receive some funding, but none of it goes to the National Cult of the House of Saud, the primary purpose of which is to keep them in power. There is a link between the House of Saud and Saudi foreign diplomacy with their neighboring states and Wahhabist doctrine. But the Saudi's GDP of 646 Billion USD is more than enough to fund their religious cult.

Another Source:

State Department Quietly Releases Fiscal Transparency Report
Fifty out of 140 countries didn't meet the minimum standards for transparency-- but their aid won't be cut off.

TOP 10 RECIPIENTS OF UNITED STATES FOREIGN AID

From FactChck.org: U.S. Foreign Military Support

[IamTheNoodle]

32. Check out the weapon systems we sell Saudi Arabia

$60 billion worth under Obama.

[Agnosticsherbet]

40. The operative word is "sell." Selling a weapon system does not support Wahhabism.

In fact, the bulk of military support for other countries is given back to the US when they buy our weapon systems. The Saudi family funds their cult.

It is a sad state of affairs that War Machines are among our most profitable exports.

[Bluenorthwest]

111. And yet we place sanctions and boycotts in place against South Africa and other nations

who engage in bigoted and dangerous behaviors. That means we don't sell them anything, much less weapons. We cut off trade with South Africa because selling things to them did in fact support Apartheid, and by not selling them things we helped bring it to an end. Why that does not apply to the Saudis and such I do not know.

[Agnosticsherbet]

115. Oil.

[GummyBearz]

41. Are you blaming obama for this? Really?

Great.

[7962]

52. I know, its silly. Instead of blaming who ALWAYS SEEM TO BE THE ONES DOING IT

[Democat]

62. America, Bush, or Obama

That's who many on DU blame for every terrorist attack.

[IamTheNoodle]

67. U.S. policy is partly to blame for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism

Do you disagree with that? Supporting the House of Saud via $60 billion weapon deals while they support Wahhabism is ludicrous.

[EX500rider]

144. "Supporting the House of Saud via $60 billion weapon deals while they support Wahhabism"

The more they spend on weapons purchases the less they have to spend on spreading Wahhabism actually.
And if the US didn't sell them the weapons another country would.

[Democat]

26. And liberals who deny there is a problem help right wingers gain power

When a a few police officers shoot black men, many on DU are outraged at all police.

That same outrage is replaced by denial when other groups are involved in the murder of innocent people.

[hawkeyeman]

44. ^^^^^this

[7962]

56. Amen! "Selective outrage" I call it.

If these attacks were by Baptists, everyone would be going apeshit

[totodeinhere]

75. I don't think that most liberals deny there is a problem. But it's also true that right wingers

try to cynically exploit things like this for their own twisted benefits.

[ansible]

82. The same liberals that thought unrestricted immigration into the EU was a good idea?

[Democat]

87. On DU many deny there is any problem

They will deny it even if the shooter states his motivations clearly. Check old threads.

[get the red out]

96. Yep

I hope these three murderers are Baptists so we can get mad about them committing murder.

[7962]

105. Oh, if THAT was the case there'd be 15 OPs with 1000 rec's!!

Dont you know it!

[pampango]

128. "When a a few police officers shoot black men, many on DU are outraged at all police." True but

do we get outraged at all Blacks when a few of them shoot police officers? Most of us don't blame all Blacks (or Whites or Hispanics or Christians or Muslims) for the homrrible actions of a few in a group.

OTOH, the right loves to stereotype and apply collective guilt to all members of groups they don't belong to.

... liberals who deny there is a problem help right wingers gain power.

True. And conservatives who exaggerate the problem help right wingers gain power - which, of course, suits them just fine and explains why they have been against immigration for decades, not just since refugees arrived. The more they demonize refugees (Trump-style) and play 'us vs them' politics the stronger they get.

[totodeinhere]

71. And that is exactly what the terrorists want. They want a religious war and so do our right

wings wackos over here.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

22. #Munich police say they believe more than one shooter is involved; no one taken into custody yet.

#Munich police say they believe more than one shooter is involved; no one taken into custody yet.
https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/756540199371431936

[B2G]

25. That's not good at all. nt

[melman]

27. Munich police: 'We believe we are dealing with a shooting rampage'

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/756540525491216385

[jpak]

28. CBSN reporting second shooting in Munich

n/t

[IamTheNoodle]

29. What will the response be? Changing facebook profile to German flag colors?

1984 here we come, little choice seems to be left.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

53. Teddy bears and candles help as well.

[oberliner]

37. 'Second shooting in Munich'

A German N-tv reporter in Munich says there are also reports of shots being fired at the Stachus, also known as Karlsplatz, a large square in central Munich, about 5km (three miles) from the OEZ shopping centre.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36870986?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=579255b6e4b0b6d5aef23a4f%26'Second%20shooting%20in%20Munich'%2618:24&ns_fee=0#post_579255b6e4b0b6d5aef23a4f

[muriel_volestrangler]

100. Shooting at Stachus false alarm

Earlier reports of a second shooting in the city centre were a false alarm, police say, according to German paper Die Welt

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36870986

[Yo_Mama]

39. It seems very ominous - city is shutting down.

Subway traffic in Munich has been halted. Buses aren't stopping everywhere. Police are telling people to stay out of public spaces.

They don't know who is responsible, how many are injured/dead, or where the perp(s) now are. They seem to think there may be multiple shooters.

I'm getting this from FAZ, which seems reliable and is mostly reporting police statements:
http://www.faz.net/faz-live

[spinbaby]

131. Could they have gotten away by subway?

The shopping center is right on top of a U Bahn station, so if it wasn't shut down quickly, there go the shooters.

[OldEurope]

49. Police does not know anything.

Or, they do not want to tell anything. There was a twitter not to publish photos or live feeds of police actions (to not help the shooters).
There are several injured persons but no confirmed dead.
Public transport was shut down and there are warnings to avoid public spaces.
Everything else is speculation.

I'm living in Munich and I'm a regular visitor to that shopping centre. Also working for public transport.

ETA: Sorry for bad English-
.

[Democat]

50. Is it true the shopping center is on the site of the 1972 Olympics?

As posted in another thread?

[OldEurope]

59. It is near, two stations of subway.

It was built at the same time as the Olympic Stadium and some parts were used then as offices and hotel for media.

[Democat]

63. I wonder if it's connected or a coincidence

Thank you for the reply.

[OldEurope]

66. I don't think so, but...

...at the moment noone can tell.

[ansible]

55. Twitter is even more reliable than the police at this point

Already a photo of the shooter here



Video of the shooter opening fire

https://twitter.com/johndeconner/status/756538569963995136?lang=en

[musicblind]

61. OMG that is so cold. n/t

[OldEurope]

64. Nonsense

Police begged on twitter not to publish anything. Because with this you might help the shooter.
And, this does not look look like anything near that place. Because on Fridays all parking lots would be full of cars.

ETA: I don't know about American police. In Germany they have instructions and training for at least two years. And they don't shoot easily. So if I had to chose between our police and the internet mob, I'd chose police.

[ansible]

74. Hes moving around, there's also a video of him being insulted by a bavarian

https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/756539012551176194

He's calling him "Scheiß kanaken"

[OldEurope]

79. Obviously you're sympathising with the murderer. I'll ignore you.

[ansible]

88. I'm not, you're in denial

News is also reporting that they've sent in the GSG9 now. Local police can't handle this at all.

[rockfordfile]

118. What's with the right wing link?

[rockfordfile]

117. That guy is a right wing idiot

[rockfordfile]

102. In that picture he's looking straight into the camera

Last edited Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Interesting that the person that filmed the video just happens to be there at the same time.
The person zooms in at the exact time the he starts shooting at McDonald.

[Calista241]

159. it looks like he's just shit his pants in this picture. n/t

[Yo_Mama]

85. Six confirmed dead, all public transport stopped, taxis told not to pick up fares

"Lage volle unklar".

I sure hope the police can control this quickly, otherwise this will be an awful night in Munich.

[OldEurope]

90. Noone confirmed dead.

We don't know nothing.

Police will tell us when it is safe to tell us. And yes, as a citizen of Munich, I trust our police.

[Yo_Mama]

93. Bavarian Radio says six dead.

[Yo_Mama]

101. According to police now, "at least six dead". I see why

they are treating this as an active terror incident.

But what happens in a few hours?

It's almost impossible to imagine a German city without mass transport.

[OldEurope]

104. We'll just stay at home. Weekend.

or rely on what police will tell us.

[melman]

68. CNN: Second police operation underway in center of Munich

[OldEurope]

72. No confirmation, only rumors. (n/t)

[bluestateguy]

84. 9 times of out 10 in these situations there is no 2nd shooter

The fog of war confuses people and that leads to initial reports of a 2nd shooter that almost always turn out false.

[totodeinhere]

89. At least two of the recent attacks carried out in France did involve more than one shooter however.

I think we are going to see both lone wolf attacks and group attacks at the same time. It's a nightmare for security forces.

[suffragette]

86. Sky news pointed out anniversary of Breivik attack - July 22

[MowCowWhoHow III]

94. Can't be ruled out at the moment that the attacker(s) are RW terrorists

[suffragette]

98. Yes, it's also the case this is a Friday evening attack, similar to Paris.

The one thing to be sure of is the attacker(s) are full of hate.

[OldEurope]

91. Now police confirmed:

Six dead, three shooters not yet found.

[alcibiades_mystery]

95. Police in US confirmed multiple shooters in Dallas, Baton Rouge

Both turned out to be false. They were crystal clear and absolutely sure both times. So, I'll wait.

[OldEurope]

99. I trust our police.

They have at least two to three years of instructions and training. And they are normally the good ones. (Exceptions occur)

[alcibiades_mystery]

155. Looks like the same mistake: only one shooter, claimed to be more than one

Looks like an ISIS lone wolf attack, again.

Obviously, he was funded and supplied by cohorts.

[brooklynite]

92. Munich declares citywide emergency

Munich authorities have declared an emergency using the city’s smartphone warning system, Die Welt reports.

Residents have been warned not to leave their homes: “For your own safety, avoid squares and streets: perpetrators are on the run. Train and bus transport suspended. Turn radio and TV on.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live

[Old Vet]

106. Targeting Children, Motherfuckers...............

This kind of shit will get trump elected

[oberliner]

107. Trump is not running for PM of Germany

What does one have to do with the other?

[jonno99]

108. Really? Trump will be roaring the question: "do we want that to happen here?! " nt

[Old Vet]

110. My thoughts exactly...........

Trump will use any terrible news to fit his agenda.

[wheniwasincongress]

112. he won't if the attacker/s aren't Muslim

[Yavin4]

113. It has happened here.

Happens here all of the time. See Newtown, CT.

[SheriffBob]

166. it will

if he is elected president.

Thanks to Obama there have not been as much terrorist attacks compared to the rest of the world.

[Angel Martin]

135. It would be nice if

people would be more worried about the victim and the victims' families, than the political agenda.

[brooklynite]

114. UPDATE: Report of 2nd shooting at Marienplatz

Marienplatz is in the "Old City"; the Olympia Mall is to the north.

[OldEurope]

119. Nonsense. nt

[suffragette]

123. With all transit shut down, I wonder how many people are stranded

Away from home.

[OldEurope]

124. There is an action:

like there was in Paris: Open doors for everyone in Hotels, flats and offices.

[suffragette]

136. I'm glad for that. Community against the fear.

[christx30]

129. Per CNN:

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to ear. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html

Line paragraph is right under the overhead view of area.

[6chars]

138. She might have made up the part about his quote.

Maybe she wanted people to think the attacker was Muslim, like her.

[christx30]

139. It's possible.

So far, she's the only one that's said anything about it. Everyone else is just speculating. BBC was reporting that a shouting match erupted between a witness and the shooter. Shooter said he was German.

[6chars]

140. that last quote is a clue.

why would he bother to say that? could be that he is a nationalist saying this with nationalist pride. just kind of an odd thing.

[christx30]

141. Yeah, I thought that was strange too.

"I'm a Muslim, so I know what Allahu ackbar means." I mean... pretty much anyone that's been paying attention to terrorism since 9/11 knows what Allahu ackbar means. Maybe someone that wanted to sound smarter than she was? I don't know. I do that a lot.

[6chars]

142. You don't need a translator for that.

[LisaL]

160. German-Iranian.

[joshcryer]

133. 9 dead now (perpetrator?).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36870874

[OldEurope]

137. Police told:

One shooter seems to be dead. In concern of bombing they are very cautious. They are waiting for special forces to approach the body.

[melman]

143. Munich police:Shooting suspects have Islamist background

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/07/22/hunt-underway-for-one-or-more-shooters-on-the-run-lead-ripley-live.cnn

[suffragette]

148. The attacker was an 18-year-old German of Iranian descent

The attacker was an 18-year-old German of Iranian descent. His body was found at 8:30pm local time, having shot himself.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live

[6chars]

149. so if he is a right winger, he's not the typical german one

we may never know

[Warpy]

153. They're going through his life with a fine toothed comb

including any electronic gear he left behind. The fun part will be tracing where he got the gun. Others have been smuggled in from the Balkans, like the ones used in Paris that came through Munich.

[LisaL]

161. I have no idea where this "right-winger" claim even comes from.

[muriel_volestrangler]

163. Shouting "fucking Turks!" seems like a right wing thing

The 5th anniversary of Breivik's terrorism may have been a coincidence, but in combination with what he was shouting, some thought it wasn't.

[melman]

164. He didn't say that

One of the other people said it to him. That's why he said "I'm German".

[muriel_volestrangler]

168. No, the shooter said it

In the footage, which was posted on Twitter, an unseen man can be heard shouting abuse at another man, who is clad all in black and pacing on the top floor of an empty car park.

The man who filmed the clip can be heard telling other people with him that the man in the car park has a gun, to which the man purported to be shooter responds: “Fucking Turks!”

An English transcript of the exchange has been posted online, in which the unseen man reportedly shouts: “He has loaded his gun. Get the cops here”, to which the man presumed to be the shooter shouts back: “I am German!”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/i-am-german-munich-gunman-took-part-in-shouting-match-during-attack

[melman]

170. The Guardian's own transcript says different

On that very same page in your link it says:


Man apparently to people filming: “He’s got a gun, here, the guy has one.”

Unknown speaker: “Shit/fucking Turks!”

Man: “Shit/fucking foreigners!”

Man to someone else: “He’s got a gun. He has loaded his gun. Get the cops here.”

Shooter: “I am German.”

Man: “You’re a asshole is what you are.”

[muriel_volestrangler]

171. The widely quoted transcript, at the link the Guardian gives, attributes that to the shooter

Lines 6-11:

Shooter and Balcony man shouting at each other
Balcony Man apparently to people filming: "He's got a gun here the guy has one"
Shooter: "Shit/Fucking Turks!"
Balcony Man: "Shit/Fucking Kanacken" (foreigners basically)
Balcony man to someone else : "EY! HE'S GOT A GUN! He has loaded his gun! Get the cops here!"
Shooter: "I am German."

So, even if that was incorrect, that is one reason why people thought he seemed right wing.

[suffragette]

177. I think that exchange might hold some clues to his mindset

Especially the insistence of "I am German" and the venom toward Turks.

Here is someone of German Iranian background, who may have identified more with being German, but was possibly often reminded and maybe bullied about being perceived as 'not German' and maybe even as Turkish, given the large Turkish population in Germany.

That could also tie to the date being the anniversary of Breivik's massacre, with the commonality there being a hatred of immigrants, in this case the immigrants this shooter thinks people lump him with, but that he rejects.

It's being reported today that three of the people he killed were Turkish.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-attacks-germany-turkey-idUSKCN1030HK?il=0

Three Turkish citizens were among nine people killed in a shooting attack in Munich on Friday, Turkey's foreign minister said on Saturday.

[TubbersUK]

176. From the police

Last edited Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

based on the search of his home:

Munich police have suggested the gunman had an interest in mass shootings and shooters, including the Norwegian far-right terrorist Anders Breivik.

The shooting took place on the fifth anniversary of Breivik’s mass killings in Oslo and Utoya, in which he killed 77 people.


Kate Connolly @connollyberlin
Due to his obsession with mass shootings investigators in #Munich work on assumption Ali S wanted to 'mark' 5th anniv of Utøya murders
12:49 PM - 23 Jul 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874497

[christx30]

150. To the surprise of almost no one. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

162. It seems quite surprising to me - Iranians are fighting ISIS, for instance

Shia Muslims are a huge majority in Iran, and they get attacked by ISIS (Sunni Muslim) just for being Shia - they regard them as heretics. Al Qaeda is also Sunni, though doesn't seem to have an automatic hatred of Shia. But being Iranian does not fit in with the 'typical' profile of the recent attackers.

He might not have been Shia, of course; there are other sects and religions in Iran, or he could have switched sect. The shouting match he had with the guy on the balcony, given above, has him saying "fucking Turks!", and pointing out he was German. His motives seem extremely unclear at the moment.

[joshcryer]

172. WTF are you taking about?

This appears to have literally nothing to do with his ethnicity.

[LeftishBrit]

178. What is not surprising? That he was a mentally ill teenage German, or that he was of Iranian descent

The former is not very surprising. The latter is not particularly predictable: whatever violence may happen in Iran itself, Iranians have not been involved in the other violent Western incidents, and Iran like many countries is on terms of enmity with ISIS. In any case it seems as though this particular individual was a highly unstable person obsessed with mass shootings, without a particular political motive.

[OldEurope]

169. Update from press conference:

18 year old ran amok. No terrorist, just a terribly disturbed young man. In his room they found books and newspapers about other killing sprees, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting and Anders Breivik.
But no connection to IS or other islamistic terror.
He killed eight teenagers and a 45 year old woman. A twelve year old was shot in the head and is struggling for his life. 15 other persons also in hospital for severe injuries.

It is unclear where he could buy a Glock and 300 bullets.

[joshcryer]

173. So it was a mental case who studied spree killings.

How difficult is it to get a gun in Germany?

[LeftishBrit]

179. Awful

I know people who were in the area, thank god they're OK.

The world is going increasingly mad!