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[bluedye33139]

1. Um, no

There is a process for selecting the chair position. The party should not just pick up a chair and throw it when confronted with difficulty

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Cheating is not 'difficulty' it's unethical behavior of the exact sort that undermines voter

confidence and causes low turnout and apathy. 2016 primary our Party had far fewer votes than in 2008. That's not a sustainable trend and someone is in fact accountable for that trend. Obviously after the convention. But it has to be done.

[bluedye33139]

17. The one person floated an idea

In May a comma after the primary's outcome had already been determined

[R B Garr]

55. Unethical behavior is also smearing and badmouthing people publicly with nasty

gossipy grandstanding like he did when you know they can do nothing publicly in a productive manner to counter those attacks. That was also not a sustainable trend that he engaged in. Who does that. That shows a colossal lack of judgment and character when he knew that there was no way to have a public spat with him just to counter his attacks. This is just more faux unproductive outrage from him. What a sham.

[zentrum]

110. Cheating is not 'difficulty'. Nailed it. nt

[liberalmike27]

30. Is This the Chair, to which you are Referring?

Excerpt:

After 126,000 Democratic voters were purged off the voter rolls in Sanders’ hometown of Brooklyn; and recklessly went on national television to condemn “violent” supporters of Sanders in Nevada for tossing non-existent chairs at the State Convention.

For good measure, she criticized Sanders’ statement on the matter, saying he didn’t go far enough in condemning his supporters’ “violence” and had the audacity to include the word BUT in his statement.

Only problem—there was no documented violence at the convention. As I wrote previously, no video evidence ever existed of such a thing—in journalism, kind of a key element to confirm such a violent act occurred.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/how-the-dnc-and-media-conned-us-into-clinton/

[annavictorious]

68. Those Brooklyn votes were Clinton voters.

The "purged" voters were the low income residents of a major housing project. Sanders lost Brooklyn and the other NYC boroughs. Sanders votes came from upstate.

[BlueCaliDem]

81. Thank you for the correction, annavictorious. It is apparently still necessary here. eom

[Blue Idaho]

90. All the corrections in the world won't help...

Because concern threads like this one are really about skirting the DU rules about rehashing the primaries. Sure it's all wrapped up in sanctimonious talk but it all reminds me too much of that old saying: "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

[BlueCaliDem]

93. And we cannot forget that Putin has an army of online trolls to infiltrate all U.S. blogs and social

media. Clearly, Putin wants Trump as president because he can handle Trump. He damn well knows he can't handle a President Hillary Clinton.

[liberalmike27]

143. Perhaps They are Rethinking

Not allowing us to discuss the corruption, allows it to go on, unfettered. We need to talk about it, and you folks need to just admit it happened, not try to act like it's OK because it wasn't supposed to be aired, because it was hidden. You can't "strike it from the record." It's out there.

The campaign was manipulated from the very start, to keep knowledge about Sanders to a minimum. Why? They knew his policies were what America wanted. The more the campaign continued, the more she realized that Sanders did well, the more people were exposed to him. So they worked hard to limit his exposure at the DNC.

At least Donna Brazille, the new head had the class you sad folks can't find, to just apologize, and stop trying to spin it with some ridiculous nonsense about Putin. If anything Guccifer 2.0 did you a favor by not putting this information out there from the beginning, while the campaign was still going.

[Blue Idaho]

144. No one is stopping you from discussing these two emails.

As far as I can tell many are doing little else around here.

By the way Trump now leads Sec. Clinton by four points in the latest poll released today.

[OwlinAZ]

104. You are incorrect, probably purposefully.

Next You will be saying Putin is responsible for the DNC dirty dealings.

[Blue Idaho]

120. Bernie has moved on...

Sec. Clinton has moved on... Why can't you?

[cannabis_flower]

126. Bernie has moved on to..

supporting Hillary Clinton.

He still says DWS should go.

And I agree with him.

[Blue Idaho]

127. I can't say I a big fan of DWS

But I'm not lighting my hair on fire over one or two emails.

[OwlinAZ]

113. have read a number of news stories regarding

the purges, dropped and disappeared votes. Looks to me like both candidates lost voters and we cannot be sure of final tallies

[Blue Idaho]

122. It's over...

Breathe in, Breath out, move on.

[onehandle]

2. Nope. The convention has started. The primary is over. nt

[agingdem]

4. Yes it has...move on

DWS isn't the despot at the gate...Trump is...concentrate on that!

[Chasstev365]

88. Wow: You sound just like Bush Supporters in December 2000: Get Over It! Move ON!

This issue is not Clinton/Sanders: This issue is whether or not you're OK with DWS abusing her power. To say move on is to condone it so it happens again to another candidate in a future Democratic parimary. That is not acceptable.

[agingdem]

94. Oh please!

Hillary is our candidate...we have to get her elected and stop that orange venom-spitting Hitler wannabe...after this is all over and Hillary is in the White House then we can fix what is broken...now focus!

[Chasstev365]

100. I am supporting Clinton and Kaine, but THAT'S NOT FRICKEN THE POINT!

You have a childish/simplistic view that we should all just dismiss something that was clearly wrong on and forget about it because of Trump. This is not acceptable.

If the shoe had been on the other foot and it happened to Hillary's campaign, you'd be just fine with DWS's behavior, right?

[classykaren]

103. I agree

[OwlinAZ]

107. Similar things were perpetrated on Howard Dean.

It will continue as long as the perpetrators are not exposed and reproached.

[Ellipsis]

6. I hear ya. Just posting the link.

[R0ckyRac00n]

36. mho

Recognizing that such dealings are not in the best interest of the D party and moving ahead together to defeat Trump are not mutually exclusive propositions.

[retrowire]

42. we can't solve problems with the party!

The primary is over!

Are you serious?

[Cattledog]

3. NPR said this morn she is stepping down after the convention

instead of Dec. and is not speaking.

[Ellipsis]

7. That works for me.

[marshall]

16. She will hopefully be stepping into a cabinet position

Mrs. Clinton has likely already let those she has chosen know so they can be ready to go.

[awake]

19. Please no Hillary is not that stupid

DWS needs to go away she has done more harm to Hillary than Trump ever could

[mog75]

141. +1

K & R !!!

[elmac]

41. Yes, in todays politics

bad behavior is always rewarded. This is why people get amnesia and forget to vote on the 8th.

[LiberalFighter]

50. I don't agree with her stepping down now. It should wait until the next election.

As for her getting a cabinet position. NO!

[Ruby the Liberal]

25. Excellent

Maybe we can find someone who will work to restore all of the seats lost federally as well as in the state legislatures and governorships that she presided over.

[chwaliszewski]

5. I disagree, Ellipsis.

I think it's too late make it right.

[stonecutter357]

8. nope.

[msanthrope]

9. Thanks, Bernie. We'll handle our own party. nt

[Ellipsis]

10. zing.

[Little Star]

20. Amen!

[Tarheel_Dem]

24. Thank you.

[L. Coyote]

29. Worry about Trump's politico goons and their past behavior. This is an impoirtant read:::::

The Quiet American

Paul Manafort made a career out of stealthily reinventing the world’s nastiest tyrants as noble defenders of freedom. Getting Donald Trump elected will be a cinch.

Just in case people don't understand what is goingon in the background and the sort of characters who are running Trump as the neo-Bush puppet President, here is how these ratfuckers operate:

Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral

L. Coyote Jun-10-07
48. Swiftboating Al Gore from Argentina, SIDE, Israeli wire transfers, spy files, forgery, Bush & Menem

There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.

First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!

==========================
http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.

Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005

Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.

In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications’ assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events...

Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Rua’s political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.

A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stone’s request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Rua’s political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.

When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.

Who exactly did the hack and for whom? Who runs the troll army trying to divide the Dems? Who are the ratfuckers? As if we need to ask!

[liberalmike27]

31. Excluding

Bernie and his 13.5 million voters, plus all of the purged voters? Are we?

[msanthrope]

43. Yeah.....outside the Internet, I've yet to meet an actual Bernie voter who won't vote for HRC

because of DWS. Maybe you can provide a link to voters basing their decision on that.

[R0ckyRac00n]

35. well...

Sanders has some real influence and leverage currently. Like it or not.

[Ellipsis]

37. He can pull in the cash, from millions of small donors, in a mater of HOURS...

That's the bottom line. Somebody running a tight race in some state somewhere and Sander's network puts out the call... major fundraising potential.


That's his clout.

[msanthrope]

45. We will see what he does downballot. So far, that didn't help in the primaries, for those

he endorsed.

[R0ckyRac00n]

56. sure, thats one measure, an important one

but his importance as an endorser of HRC has seemingly had some influence on policy (important to me) and perhaps on DWS's lack of a visible role at the convention. (if breaking news is to be believed)

[Android3.14]

39. You are helping Hillary lose

Just an FYI.

[msanthrope]

47. Lose the primary? We know who did that. As for the general, if you're not voting HRC because of

DWS, well, that's just illogical.

[Android3.14]

69. Primary is over, or haven't you heard?

Every time you insult and demean the need for legitimate democratic processes, you harm that institution.

You are just upset because now there is proof that Hillary didn't win fair and square, and it is a huge stain on the record. Everyone says Clinton is honest, so there is no way she would have condoned this if she knew about it, right? Let's take that as a given, unless proven otherwise.

With that given, then your remarks portray you like a player on the "winning" team that whines when everyone realized the referees were cheating. For party unity, we'll accept the result, but lies, insults and dissembling such as in your post will only drive Hillary's numbers down and push your political and intellectual cognates in the population of independent voters to choose Trump.

The way you treat people is helping Trump win.

To move past this, Hillary must show some leadership by shunning Wasserman-Schultz, and taking serious steps to clean up the process so the DNC won't stain our democracy again.

[msanthrope]

75. HRC won fair and square. I believe that. BS ran a good campaign, but it's over now.

It was over on Super Tuesday. That being said, I will enjoy my Philly time this week.

[Android3.14]

77. Evidence proves otherwise

Your opinion is worthless in this case.

It's like Trump supporters insisting Trump is a Christian despite overwhelming proof to the contrary.

We don't need to fight over who won. We need to fight to make sure there is no doubt who wins in the next Primary.

[msanthrope]

79. Apparently Bernie is just fine with it....he eschewed faux outrage....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141528839

[Android3.14]

83. Not true, and even if it were, we still need to make the next Primary legitimate

Bernie is not "fine with it", so please stop lying. He has said he will still support Hillary, despite the cheating.

It's like the IOC declining to take the medals away from the Russian athletes at the Sochi Olympics. Only an idiot would argue that the IOC is "fine with" doping just because they didn't invalidate the Russian wins in previous games in which the evidence proves doping occurred.

[msanthrope]

89. This primary was legitimate. POC and women overwhelmingly selected HRC. nt

[Android3.14]

91. The two statements are not linked.

The emails show there is a cloud over the legitimacy of the primary. You can pretend otherwise, but the harm is done, and if people like you ignore it or discourage Clinton from fixing it, you only increase the chances of a Trump win.

[msanthrope]

96. Yeah.... okay. I am sure you can prove how those emails deligitimize the votes cast for HRC

by overwhelming numbers of POC and women.

After all.....that's your claim.

[Android3.14]

125. You keep misdirecting. Please show some backbone and face the issue

You are helping Hillary lose. While your opinion has little impact on my vote, the way you treat people is driving others away from supporting Clinton.

Just an FYI.

[msanthrope]

128. Of course. An anonymous Internet poster will swing the election. nt

[OwlinAZ]

112. This primary was a mess on both sides.

We have a lot of messes to clean up.

[msanthrope]

121. Welcome to DU. I am proud of our primary process and the selection of HRC. nt

[pipoman]

135. You are proud of it?

...painfully sad...

[msanthrope]

137. Yes. HRC won fair and square. nt

[pipoman]

139. OK...ok....ok......ok..........ok...............ok.......

[classykaren]

105. Just a FYI unfortunately if she doesn't fire Debbie she just might .

[joshcryer]

132. Clinton is going to win in a landslide.

The desperate delusion that Trump has a remote chance of winning is laughable.

I love this shit. Posts like this crack me up.

[pipoman]

136. There will be no landslides this election cycle...

Pretending there will be could be the difference between winning and losing.

[LiberalFighter]

54. Sanders disappoints me.

[Cryptoad]

97. Anybody heard when Bernie is going to join the Democratic Party?

[pipoman]

138. Catch up.

[Cryptoad]

140. Muster

[DawgHouse]

99. That's right.

[OwlinAZ]

109. You think you own the Party?

[msanthrope]

111. I've been a Democrat for decades. I am glad Bernie joined last year.

Welcome to DU.

[heresAthingdotcom]

11. Focus on Beating Trump-Bernie Sanders

Good Advice for all Bernie Supporters...

[Ellipsis]

12. Happy 100th post - Welcome to DU.

[Gene Debs]

78. If the Democrats were really hell-bent on beating Trump,

they would nominate the candidate who consistently blows him out of the water in virtually every poll instead of the one that manages to keep just about even with him on a good day. But they won't, because placating Hillary Clinton's bottomless ambition is more important than beating Trump.

And this post is removed, for not speaking glowingly of "Hillary", in 4...3...2...

[Omaha Steve]

13. Donate to her D opponent HERE: Democratic Underground for Tim Canova FL-23

Note that this is a positive post in line with the DU TOS!


https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/du4timcanova

[FailureToCommunicate]

76. +1

[Hav]

15. I wonder what Sanders wants to achieve

I can understand the frustration because of what is in the e-mails or what is perceived to be in them. But it's over now, he won't be the nominee and making these kind of news right before the Convention isn't helpful. As he wasn't a Democrat before these primaries, why would he care about who is chair of whatever group of a party he doesn't belong to? Is it only about revenge? He would look bigger if he'd let it go but this has looked petty for quite some time now.

[Ellipsis]

18. Not "Whistling past the graveyard I suppose when asked a direct question...

Not like he made a formal press release or anything. I think Blue northwest makes a valid point up thread. But if she's stepping down as also stated up-thread... Good.

[ozone_man]

142. A less corrupt system of government.

Clinton and her/his cronies are makes by corruption wherever they go. If that is what you want the Democratic Party to be, then you will be content. Not for Bernie, and not for me.

[bigwillq]

21. I hope DWS does step down.

She's awful, imo. Has been for a long time, even before this primary cycle.

[elmac]

53. Am sure she will step up into a nice Clinton administration job

The thought of which makes me

[annavictorious]

98. President Obama would have to fire DWS.

The Sanders wing needs to direct its anger at the president.

[jehop61]

22. Bernie is as thin skinned as Trump

She beat him by millions of votes. Where's that unity you promised Bernie? Time to r focus on the task at hand. Beating the disaster that is Trump

[HereSince1628]

51. Red-herring. This isn't about water under the bridge, or means justify the ends

It's about addressing the problem of trustworthiness of democrats.

That's already a problem in this campaign cycle.

That problem has now spread to the structure and function of the DNC.

If we want democracy, and I'll grant that some really may not, it's time to tear the old paper off the walls and rip the rugs off the floors and fumigate.

[elmac]

60. Oh, that statement will really help rally Bernie supporters to the cause

Good luck in November.

[leftofcool]

23. Nope, afraid not Bernie! Oh, and by the way, you lost the primary.

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. Lost by millions of votes, hundreds of pledged delegates, and damn near all the super D's. DWS...

wasn't the cause of that. BS should look internally, and do a GOP style autopsy on why he only connected with one demographic. Better yet, he should just get over it, and concentrate on Trump.

[lostnfound]

33. Are you talking to us?

All of us?
Because he is just one man.

[Android3.14]

46. And Russian athletes won fair and square at the 2014 Olympics...

...despite the finding of doping. </sarcasm>

Should the IOC force the to Russians comply with anti-doping policies moving forward? Of course it should, just as the Democrats need to clean house after this, in order to avoid a big fat asterisk in the history books that says "First woman President, with DNC cheating "

Fixing the problem is the ethical thing to do. Any other argument is advocacy for the undermining of democracy.

[Old Vet]

26. Lets call it what it really is........

Bernie got screwed period, He was not given a FAIR chance. If Debbie steps down after the convention Iam good with that, And I used to really like her. Lets now move on and concentrate on trump losing.

[Loki]

52. Bernie didn't get screwed.

Bernie lost. Simple, now let's beat the fascist running as a Republican shall we?

[jonno99]

67. So, he wasn't "screwed" - in your opinion. Can you at least admit that he

wasn't treated fairly?

[Loki]

87. So tell me, how was he treated "not fairly".

He was on all ballots in every state, people were allowed to vote for him or for the candidate of their choice, he lost, and you do understand that Julian Assange is a Putin stooge?

[elmac]

62. He got screwed by the party he has supported for decades

as an independent he did a lot of heavy lifting for a party that cried and pooped their pants every time a pug looked at them crosswise.

[George II]

27. Isn't this the guy whose campaign hacked into the DNC database and downloaded Clinton's...

....voter information?

[.99center]

64. He's the guy that repeatedly warned the DNC

About the security flaws of the DNC database and server, long before one of his staff accessed the open database and before the Russian group actually hacked it. Instead of fixing the flaws after being warned multiple times DWS decided that the problem was the messenger. They shouldve focused on securing their system instead DWS used it as an opportunity to attack Bernie. This wikileaks crap wouldn't be out there if they listened to Bernie

[BlueCaliDem]

92. Perhaps you need to reread what really happened. The one security issue in October was different

than the one in December. Stop conflating the two, already!

And I'd trust Wikileaks the moment they hack into the RNC data files and make their sordid secrets public. To date, they haven't. Why doesn't this bother you?

Putin's got his bloody hands all over this b.s., and Assange and Snowden are his puppets who would rather have the Dumb-Don as president who'll sell out to the highest bidder - Putin is worth $185 BILLION dollars, stealing from his people - rather than a strong president who can't be bought and who actually cares about the U.S. and her citizens.

I'm just shocked that Wikileaks apologists don't see the forest for the trees in this case. Truly disheartening.

[.99center]

124. I'm not conflating the multiple security issues

What really happened was a half year of warnings from people in the IT field about the software vendor and other problems with the security of data, googles your friend go read up.

You don't sound like you have a clue what wikileaks is or how they operate, the site publishes leaked information given to them by multiples sources. They don't "hack" Why hasn't the DNC hacked into the RNC files and leaked it to wiki? TO DATE THEY HAVEN'T, WHY DOESN'T THIS BOTHER YOU!

This is nuts, were you around here during the Bush years? People here use to laugh at the right wing smears of wikileaks, now we joined them and call them commies. I'm not much into war mongering, or CT's of Russia controlling our election, go sell your shit somewhere else.

I'm shocked, omg just shocked, that a website that publishes information that exposes corruption worldwide is attacked by corrupt politicians and their stooges. I think we all get it by now Wiki = Russia, and your a traitor if you have anything but a black and white view of Wiki.

[George II]

129. The DNC voter database is a completely different system than the email system.

[Old Vet]

32. If Iam correct the DNC stopped his access to the database for a short time

[hollowdweller]

34. I think he's right. We should move away from any appearance of shady deals

Whether it's tax policy, elections, or anything else.

[WIProgressive88]

40. Agreed. I have moved on from the primaries and am committed to supporting Hillary in the general,

but I find it very troubling how many people are defending the DNC's actions. I also don't understand the digs made towards Sanders over his being upset over a very legitimate wrong. Primary's over folks; if you truly want to unify the party, stop spitting on the losing team.

[scottie10]

49. Amen!

Well said, WIProgressive88.

[LakeArenal]

74. They think we are sore losers...

But I think they are sore winners. Yes Hillary is the candidate. We'll vote for her. But thanks for one more hand slap to Bernie supporters.

[WIProgressive88]

85. I don't think the majority of Hillary primary backers are sore winners, but there for sure are some.

To those people I would say this: Your candidate won. Congratulations--she ran a great campaign, and in reality, despite the bickering back and forth on forums such as this, the two candidates ran a civil, issue-oriented campaign that we all should be proud of. My hope is that she will be an exceptional president who will be an ally in moving progressive issues forward, but we gotta get her into the White House first. So please, stop taking these little digs at Bernie and his supporters and let's move on to kicking Trump's bigoted ass and getting Democrats elected.

[yuiyoshida]

38. K&R

Tweeted

[retrowire]

44. oh the old wounds that were torn open in this thread

Hilarious.

Defensive knee jerk reactions abound.

[yuiyoshida]

48. unn

sou desune.

[Ellipsis]

57. indeed

[Dkc05]

58. FIRED IMMEDIATELY

End the debate. Get it over with for the good of the party and convention.

[Ellipsis]

61. by the Sunday evening news, something could happen but now with the Russian conncection...

Wild.

[Ellipsis]

134. Boom... and Bob's your uncle.

[Cryptoad]

59. Some can't help it-------Stirring the Shit Pot

[Ellipsis]

66. On that note then blame Stephanopolous.

[Android3.14]

70. Because, you know, the truth is shit

For a certain kind of person.

[Cryptoad]

82. Hard enough to get the MSM to mention the convention

now all u hear is this Bull shit

[yallerdawg]

65. Another similarity to Trump?

Eliminate your perceived political enemies?

Not cool.

[frazzled]

71. Her term is over in a few months anyway

So what is this hissy fit about? Is it helping to defeat Trump? (The answer is a big no.) Or is it just troublemaking for the Democratic Party and therefore an attempt to lessen its chances to elect Democrats to the White House, Senate, and House? Is he that thin-skinned that a few snotty but hardly actionable private emails arouse this kind of revenge? Is he that self-possessed that he is still harboring grudges about the election he fairly lost?

This man has no character in my estimation. It's always about him.

[Ellipsis]

73. ...like how the Duggar family handled Josh.

It's all about ETHIC and how we handle something once facts come out.

[Scalded Nun]

72. It's funny

how this sort of behavior is always dismissed by the winning side.

Stepping down from the DNC chair position is no big deal for DWS. She knows she will be rewarded for doing her duty.

[tabasco]

80. In order to support Democrats (i.e., H. Clinton), we should ignore information like this,

which reveals corruption in the party leadership. The OP should be deleted so we will not be bothered by this silliness!

The new DU. LOL.

[heaven05]

84. if the Nazi wins

it will be because of the disunity I have read here from so many people still whining about the primaries. DWS needs to fade into the dustbin of the Democratic Party but SHE IS NOT THE PRIORITY OR PROBLEM now. Grow up and get aware, the Nazis are on the march. We need to unify and GOTV.

[.99center]

102. Well then unify with your fellow Democrats

And oust members of the party who's incompetency and lack of leadership is helping the Nazis. This is a great opportunity for the leadership in the party to show the difference between the two parties, or we can emulate trump and support corrupt candidates with the excuse that they're loyal.

[heaven05]

106. what are you talking about?

what candidate(s) is/are corrupt. I know the nazi is, but who are you talking about?

[Raspol]

86. Debbie already stepped down

according to reports.

[SticksnStones]

95. What does a public calling out of DWS accomplish at this point

That moves the needle toward getting Clinton elected?

I'm at a loss as to any motive in the call out that would also follow the party's mission statement of supporting electing democrats.

While I do feel her tenure is up, this should be a matter of course not a proclamation on the Sunday morning shows.

Came across as a "see, I was right" moment...well, ok ~ have a cookie.

[ciaobaby]

115. It would be called accountability.

To some this is important to the party going forward.
To others, not so much.

[Ellipsis]

117. Yes. Thank you

[SticksnStones]

130. Yes I can see that to some

It is so very important.

You pick and choose your public battles. Seems to me the battle for the time we're in right now is a vital effort to keep Trump far away from the White House.

That, to me, is more important than the "see, I was right" pot stirring going on today.

Senator Sanders said he would do everything in his power to keep Trump out of the White House. Said he would do all he can to make certain Hillary Clinton is the next president of the United Syates. I think he said that verbatim.

So what, today doesn't count?

[liberalmuse]

101. She needs to step down.

She's been disgraceful, which is sad because I used to admire her.

[Chemisse]

108. This return to primary bickering is exactly what the Trump people want.

DWS is stepping down - as she should - and we need to move on to a unified convention.

[ciaobaby]

119. This isn't primary bickering.

This is about the democratic party going forward.
Do we really want to be the party that sweeps the dirt under the rug.
We can not moved forward unified if we do not respect the process and demand accountability from those that dismiss a good portion of voters and donators who have been loyal democrats for years.

[Chemisse]

133. I agree - absolutely.

But some people are reverting to the old primary corners for this - and that only hurts us.

It doesn't matter who we supported during the primary. What the DNC did was wrong and unfair to the process, and needs to be fixed moving forward.

[jalan48]

114. She's an embarrassment to the Party. The sooner she leaves the better.

[Ellipsis]

118. Bullshit- We have only gained ground = Welcome to DU

see ya.

[Blue Idaho]

123. If you think the Democratic Party is just like the Republican

Party - then you have not been paying attention. If you mean human beings are all imperfect, and likely to hold biases - welcome to the human race. The real question is - are people able to see beyond their biases and act admirably for the advancement of humanity. I believe Democrats are much more likely to act to make people's lives better and reduce the space between the haves and the have nots. If you can't see that, then maybe you should look for a party you believe is working in best interests of thems that have less.

[avaistheone1]

131. Absolutely. Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down as DNC chair at once.

[Blue_Tires]

145. DWS has stepped down (even though she was stepping down anyway)

So Bernie can STFU and we can all move on...