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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:32 AM Sep 2016

SpaceX's Falcon 9 explodes on Florida launch pad during rocket test

Source: The Verge

SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket, meant to launch a satellite this weekend, exploded on the launch pad at Cape Canaveral, Florida. The explosion occurred during a static fire test of the rocket's engines, NASA told the Associated Press. The blast reportedly shook buildings "several miles away."

SpaceX was getting the Falcon 9 ready to launch the Amos 6 satellite, a communications probe for the Israeli satellite operator Spacecom. The mission was scheduled for 3AM ET Saturday morning. Prior to all launches, SpaceX conducts a static fire test, in which the rocket's engines are turned on while the vehicle is constrained. It's a routine procedure the company has done many times before.

The 45th Space Wing, the US Air Force unit that commands the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, is responding to the explosion. "There are no known casualties. There's no threat to public safety and our emergency management teams are on site responding," Bryan Bryan Purtell, a representative for the 45th Space Wing, told The Verge. The unit will provide more updates soon.

It's possible that the Amos 6 satellite was not harmed during the explosion. The satellites aren't always loaded on top of the Falcon 9s during a static fire. But right now, the fate of the Amos 6 is unclear.

Read more: http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/1/12748752/spacex-launch-site-explosion-cape-canaveral-florida







UPDATE: SpaceX says no injuries in blast; says 'anomaly' on launch pad during test firing resulted in loss of vehicle and payload
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/771352966209167361

Seems like Amos 6 got smoked as well
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SpaceX's Falcon 9 explodes on Florida launch pad during rocket test (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Sep 2016 OP
My friends at the cape say it was just launch pad. Atman Sep 2016 #1
The locals' photos show a pretty massive smoke plume. Atman Sep 2016 #2
Video of it blowing up posted in the Video Forum. bananas Sep 2016 #43
Yea, pads don't blow up GummyBearz Sep 2016 #38
good to know they're 'testing'. I admire the SpaceX program Sunlei Sep 2016 #3
I wonder is this was a booster MicaelS Sep 2016 #4
Yet, it was. Atman Sep 2016 #5
Have they sucessfully MicaelS Sep 2016 #6
This was supposed to be the first. Atman Sep 2016 #9
This was NOT supposed to be the first. vdogg Sep 2016 #30
According to Reddit, it was not. backscatter712 Sep 2016 #10
Thanks for clarification. Atman Sep 2016 #18
Absolutely not. sofa king Sep 2016 #27
This is what happens.... philosslayer Sep 2016 #7
I have to disagree. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2016 #11
You largely described the first ten years of humans in space. Wilms Sep 2016 #13
I disagree also. MicaelS Sep 2016 #14
There were no accidents when NASA was in charge? Democat Sep 2016 #15
Um, you think that is was all government workers sitting around at NASA building every component? snooper2 Sep 2016 #16
The odds of a space shuttle/rocket blowing up are 1/20 GummyBearz Sep 2016 #19
That's ridiculous. Codeine Sep 2016 #20
Spacecraft still fail, private, NASA, ESA, Russia, etc daleo Sep 2016 #24
Our space program BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #26
Look, yet another person who thinks the space program is public Dreamer Tatum Sep 2016 #29
You are making an awful lot of assumptions vdogg Sep 2016 #31
I'm amazed people still reply to your posts with serious responses. PersonNumber503602 Sep 2016 #33
You never disappoint, I'll give you that. Throd Sep 2016 #36
The US government doesn't want to fund NASA. christx30 Sep 2016 #39
Exploration and innovation are not risk free. Three NASA astronauts died on the pad in 1967. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #42
Shelter In Place/stay indoors ordered. Atman Sep 2016 #8
Power flickered at my work about the time the explosion occurred. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2016 #12
Reports now are that the rocket itself wasn't involved. George II Sep 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Sep 2016 #21
wow. glad this was a test, and i suspect there were no / few injuries. Calista241 Sep 2016 #22
Reuters banner: SpaceX says no injuries in blast, 'anomaly' on launch pad destroyed vehicle and payl Eugene Sep 2016 #23
Man the Russian YouTube comments are crazy... joshcryer Sep 2016 #25
Russian youtube comments are always crazy... PersonNumber503602 Sep 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Sep 2016 #28
"Footage taken after the blast showed the rocket still standing, although the top third ... muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #34
Close up video. It's bad. Really bad. joshcryer Sep 2016 #35
Wow. The detonation occurred at the TOP of the rocket. Xithras Sep 2016 #37
The densified LOX has been an ongoing problem. joshcryer Sep 2016 #40
That's what I call a "rapid disassembly" Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #41

Atman

(31,464 posts)
1. My friends at the cape say it was just launch pad.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:39 AM
Sep 2016

Not sure how the pad could explode without the rocket, but that's what several have posted, with their own photos. Waiting some clarification on this one, buts it's definitely bad either way.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
2. The locals' photos show a pretty massive smoke plume.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:44 AM
Sep 2016

I wish i could link to them, but they're in a private Cocoa Beach group. Clearly it's not just the launch. One of the SpaceX personnel posted that no one was hurt and all workers are accounted for.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
5. Yet, it was.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

It was scheduled to re-launch on Sept 3.

ON EDIT: Apparently I was mistaken. This was a new rocket.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
30. This was NOT supposed to be the first.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:32 AM
Sep 2016

SES was the first customer confirmed for a reused rocket and that launch is scheduled for later this year.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
10. According to Reddit, it was not.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:02 AM
Sep 2016

This one was a new Falcon 9.

Glad nobody was hurt. When any rocket like this is loaded with fuel and LOX, they keep people away for obvious reasons.

The reuse test was due for next month. Looks like that's going to get kicked back...

Atman

(31,464 posts)
18. Thanks for clarification.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:18 AM
Sep 2016

They've all been posting about the re-launch for weeks. I thought it was this one. My mistake.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
27. Absolutely not.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:58 AM
Sep 2016

The re-use mission was only announced a couple of days ago, originally scheduled for sometime this fall, now certain to slip into next year:

http://spacenews.com/spacex-to-launch-ses-10-satellite-on-reused-falcon-9-by-years-end/

Of at least equal significance to the problem of troubleshooting what went wrong, photographs show that the launch tower itself was severely damaged and there were reports of secondary explosions, which may indicate that the cryogenic O2 and RP1 fueling system was destroyed as well.

If all of that turns out to be the case, SpaceX's east-coast launches are certainly sidelined for an indeterminate (but long) time. Consider that the much more rudimentary Orbital Sciences facility on Wallops Island is still being rebuilt after the explosion of the Antares rocket in October, 2014.

It's very unfortunate.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
7. This is what happens....
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 09:58 AM
Sep 2016

When you let private companies engage in a "space race". I realize its early, but its very possible that corners were cut in the interest of speed.

Given the risks, the exploration of space should be limited to Federal Governments, not space cowboys who want to prove who's wallet (or dick) is bigger.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
11. I have to disagree.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:02 AM
Sep 2016

I personally know many people employed by SpaceX and they are every bit as committed to safety measures as NASA. For one thing, their liability exposure is probably greater being a private entity than a government agency.

How many rockets have exploded with NASA at the controls? They weren't exactly explosion free either if you'll recall.

That being said, I am a strong proponent of NASA funding as well, so please don't think I'm in favor of privatization in general. I'm not. I just think you've jumped to conclusions and made a broad brush statement that is unfounded.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
13. You largely described the first ten years of humans in space.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:03 AM
Sep 2016

It was a race. Corners were cut. They were cowboys trying to outdo the Soviets.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
14. I disagree also.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:05 AM
Sep 2016

Given how our government has never properly funded NASA since the Apollo program, I will take anyone, government or private industry willing to invest in spaceflight.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
19. The odds of a space shuttle/rocket blowing up are 1/20
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:20 AM
Sep 2016

So its not like these things wont happen. In the early days of NASA it was 1/9

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
20. That's ridiculous.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:21 AM
Sep 2016

The space race was entirely predicated on proving whose dick was bigger and cutting corners non-stop was SOP.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
24. Spacecraft still fail, private, NASA, ESA, Russia, etc
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:48 AM
Sep 2016

I think the failure rates tend to be about one percent. It would be interesting to see a straight-up comparison of failure rates, though.

BumRushDaShow

(129,737 posts)
26. Our space program
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:55 AM
Sep 2016

was essentially built by private contractors (e.g., Grumman, now Northrup-Grumman and Rockwell), who were under the control of the government but were still private entities...

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
29. Look, yet another person who thinks the space program is public
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:05 AM
Sep 2016

You might want to look up who built, oh, all space vehicles used by NASA.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
31. You are making an awful lot of assumptions
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 11:35 AM
Sep 2016

Based on NO evidence whatsoever. This is what happens when people venture to space, period. It is a dangerous and difficult task. Lets not forget that NASA has had more than their fair share of failures...

christx30

(6,241 posts)
39. The US government doesn't want to fund NASA.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:30 PM
Sep 2016

They shut down the shuttle program, with nothing to replace it. We have to contract with Russia to get supplies and astronauts to the ISS. I don't mind if a private company is willing to jump in there.
There were hundreds of failed launches and explosions on the launch pad during the first few years of the US space program. It's a learning process.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,052 posts)
42. Exploration and innovation are not risk free. Three NASA astronauts died on the pad in 1967.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:46 PM
Sep 2016

If innovation were only up to governments, then the Wright brothers would not have gotten off the ground. We might only be getting around to national air mail about now.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
8. Shelter In Place/stay indoors ordered.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:00 AM
Sep 2016

KSC is monitoring toxicity levels of the smoke plume. No evacuations ordered so far, according to friends on the scene.

Response to George II (Reply #17)

Eugene

(61,969 posts)
23. Reuters banner: SpaceX says no injuries in blast, 'anomaly' on launch pad destroyed vehicle and payl
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 10:44 AM
Sep 2016
SpaceX says no injuries in blast, 'anomaly' on launch pad destroyed vehicle and payload

No link yet, but CNN on air just confirmed the statement.

Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,392 posts)
34. "Footage taken after the blast showed the rocket still standing, although the top third ...
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 12:39 PM
Sep 2016

... appeared to be bent over."

http://news.sky.com/story/explosion-at-spacex-rocket-launch-site-10561500

(though that footage is not at that page yet)

If so, that does sound like something other than a problem with the rocket engines at the base.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
37. Wow. The detonation occurred at the TOP of the rocket.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 01:57 PM
Sep 2016

Fuel leak? Static discharge? Another strut failure leading to a ruptured fuel tank, like the one that destroyed their rocket last year?

It's weird to see a rocket blow up before it's engines are even lit.

joshcryer

(62,279 posts)
40. The densified LOX has been an ongoing problem.
Thu Sep 1, 2016, 03:32 PM
Sep 2016

It's difficult to deal with, requires liquid helium, hard to contain. The first RUD (rapid unplanned disassembly) was rumored to be connected to that engineering complexity.

They may need a redesign. But at least in this case they have a lot of wreckage to go with unlike last time.

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