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Warpy

(111,244 posts)
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 02:29 PM Sep 2016

Islam Karimov: Uzbekistan strongman's death confirmed

Source: BBC

he Uzbek government has confirmed the death of President Islam Karimov, six days after he was taken to hospital with a suspected brain haemorrhage.

One of Asia's most authoritarian leaders, Mr Karimov, 78, died after 27 years in power.

Mr Karimov has no clear successor. There is no legal political opposition and the media are tightly controlled.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37260375



This is going to be the next big mess. Karimov thought he'd live forever.
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Islam Karimov: Uzbekistan strongman's death confirmed (Original Post) Warpy Sep 2016 OP
Not to turn this back to the US matt819 Sep 2016 #1
"This will mean more Uzbek votes for Trump" left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 #5
This guy was a Republican's wet dream.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2016 #2
The only "good" thing about him is that he kept the country secular Warpy Sep 2016 #3
He boiled muslims alive JonLP24 Sep 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Joe Chi Minh Sep 2016 #6
Didn't this guy salin Sep 2016 #7
That's the story Warpy Sep 2016 #8
US would do best to stay out of it JonLP24 Sep 2016 #9
I dont think Warpy meant getting involved in the succession rather cstanleytech Sep 2016 #10
I agree lunatica Sep 2016 #11

matt819

(10,749 posts)
1. Not to turn this back to the US
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 02:38 PM
Sep 2016

but I can't help but wonder whether Drumpf will comment on this or go to the funeral.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
5. "This will mean more Uzbek votes for Trump"
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:56 PM
Sep 2016

Then someone will explain they can't vote in our election.

And Trump will say:
"Bomb the Hell out of them!"

Warpy

(111,244 posts)
3. The only "good" thing about him is that he kept the country secular
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 02:54 PM
Sep 2016

instead of letting the Islamists run riot.

That's one reason it will be a mess now that he's gone. They'll fight back.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. He boiled muslims alive
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 03:13 PM
Sep 2016

He also hosted black sites, a terrible country for human rights.

Human rights in Uzbekistan

Human Rights Watch state that "Uzbekistan's record of cooperation with UN human rights mechanisms is arguably among the worst in the world. For the past 12 years, it has ignored requests for access by all 11 UN human rights experts, and has rejected virtually all recommendations that international bodies have made for human rights improvements."[2] IHF have expressed profound concern about "wide-scale violation of virtually all basic human rights".[3]

Religious freedom is one of the most challenging issues in a predominantly Muslim environment, where only two mainstream religions - Orthodox Christianity and Judaism - are recognized and tolerated by the country's traditional society.

The U.S. Department of State has designated Uzbekistan a Country of Particular Concern for the religious persecution practiced in the country,[4] and have defined Uzbekistan as "an authoritarian state with limited civil rights".[5] Human Rights Watch, however, says that the US government have "resisted imposing any serious policy consequences for Uzbekistan's dismal rights record, viewing Tashkent as a key ally along the Northern Distribution Network (NDN) that it is using to withdraw supplies from the war in Afghanistan."[2]

According to the reports, the most widespread violations are torture, arbitrary arrests, and various restrictions of freedoms: of religion, of speech and press, of free association and assembly.[6] The reports maintain that the violations are most often committed against members of religious organizations, independent journalists, human right activists, and political activists, including members of the banned opposition parties. In 2005, Uzbekistan was included into Freedom House's "The Worst of the Worst: The World's Most Repressive Societies".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Uzbekistan

Response to JonLP24 (Reply #4)

Warpy

(111,244 posts)
8. That's the story
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 08:49 PM
Sep 2016

I'm not certain how much credence to lend it but torture was endemic to his regime. His control was iron fisted, opposition was not allowed, and elections were total shams. He was a totalitarian dictator in every way you can think of and he never appointed a successor. I suppose he thought he'd live forever.

He did manage to keep the country fairly secularized but the means were so brutal it's unlikely to last very long now that he is dead. Most likely the Islamists who fled into Afghanistan will be back, setting up shop for the Taliban.

His regime was one of the foulest, worldwide. Now there is a power vacuum.

The US better have contingency plans for the bases there.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. US would do best to stay out of it
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 01:23 AM
Sep 2016

Dictators like the one they have are excellent for recruiting for Wahabbi terror groups, which the US allies with a few Wahabbi states. Besides that muslims were tortured and murdered for simple things like praying.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
10. I dont think Warpy meant getting involved in the succession rather
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 04:22 AM
Sep 2016

a plan to either beef up the base security or a plan to pull all the personal out while destroying anything that could be used before leaving.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. I agree
Sat Sep 3, 2016, 03:27 PM
Sep 2016

It's about protecting our bases and military.

There is going to be a bloodbath in that part of the world. And no one is going to love us.

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