Conservative griping about Mitt Romney grows
Source: Politico
The Romney campaign is grappling with an unexpected swell of Republican complaints about the former Massachusetts governors political operation, at least temporarily disrupting the legendarily disciplined message of the presumptive GOP nominee.
What began over the weekend with a few stray tweets from Fox News media baron Rupert Murdoch has grown into a larger chorus of criticism from the right over the deftness (or lack thereof) of Romneys team.
On Thursday, Romneys team put out word of a massive $100 million fundraising haul - but their skill in attracting donors has done little to tamp down long-standing concerns within the GOP about the insularity and rigidness of the Romney camp. Those gripes are now being aired in public, as center-right staples from the Wall Street Journal editorial page to conservative radio host Laura Ingraham lament what they view as an uninspired, passive campaign. Romneys general-election approach has resembled the strategy he used during the GOP primaries, a keep-your-head-down, minimalist effort aimed at keeping the focus on his opponent. Thats been a greater challenge for Romney as he faces President Barack Obama instead of Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.
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I worry the absence of policy comes from a general absence of passion/ideas, said one Republican insider, who asked not to be identified criticizing the campaign. I mean, what the hell does Mitt care about? What does he want to do? I dont know.
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he's a rich guy who wants to be president. Just to give him something to do. his next hobby. that's my take
bluedigger
(17,437 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)catbyte
(39,153 posts)Where is this storied "discipline'? Everybody contradicts everybody; Romney has not even outlined a position on ANYTHING. The Romney campaign is a big fat unfunny joke.
Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz, Nigel, and new baby brother Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Arent Luggage--HISS!
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Nice try, US media.
Do these people honestly think we don't have access to YouTube, etc., and can't remember what that stupid asshole says from one day to the next?
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)and what ever else he's told to do by the powered elite, getting more crazy cons on the scotus,tha ind of stuff. oh rename the aca to romney care - " i thought of it 1st!" says dopey potus wnna-be
wandy
(3,539 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)I also think he feels he is 'entitled' to the position. . . just another feather in his cap.
That said - what worked against idiots is not going to work when campaigning against one of the smartest people in the world - who surrounds himself with a bunch of 'smartest people in the world'.
I keep thinking back to this time of the year in 2008 - that last summer. How people and his opponent threw all kinds of nonsense his way and it bounced off of him and stuck to his opponent's/detractorss foreheads.
The only way Romney can win is if he cheats.
Taking the cheating element away - he can't win. He think he can because he is 'supposed to' in his entitled little mind - so he's carrying on and letting Anne pick out curtains for the new abode. But I hope she doesn't place any orders any time in the near future. . . At least orders where she can't get her deposit back. Hmm - I wonder if he has had her look into a Dog Carrier for on top of Air Force One? I wouldn't be surprised if he has.
TrogL
(32,828 posts)That's how authoritarians operate.
Not only will he cheat, but if caught, will blame Obama.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,212 posts)which is how he won the Republican nomination. He wasn't that popular among them, but he'd flood the big primary states with ads directed at the then-most-successful opponent, and move the polls and the primary itself, for a few days. So we know there are Republican-leaning voters dumb enough to fall for his ads, whatever bullshit he puts in them (or ads done by 'independent' (ha!) Super-PACs). There may be independents dumb enough too, in which case he may be able to buy the election.
ailsagirl
(24,287 posts)Certainly not if one's mind is already made up not to. Money wouldn't sway those folks.
Yes he's got money but his ads are spin and lies.
Obama has his record to run on. Plus he's very likable. PLUS his ads tell the truth.
I think Mitt is a loser and it sounds like a lot of others do, too (non-Dems).
We'll have to wait and see.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)who had no power other than what money they could attract and big mouths.
rMoney can outspend Obama by miles, and then Obama makes a policy change that undercuts everything rMoney claims or is trying to claim and because it's a policy announcement the media can't ignore it. By the time the rw media has come up with some sort of unified spinversion (spin that inverts or totally reverses the real meaning effect), it's too late because the narrative is written, their spinversion is buried on page 26 and we've all moved on to the next big thing.
And then there's that little saying 'familiarity breeds contempt." The more you see of Rmoney and the Missus Rmoney, the more they grate and offend.
For those in the soft middle who don't pay attention and don't see a big difference between the two, another little saying "The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know." Agonizingly slow improvement is still improvement, and better than changing horses midstream and ending up in a worse place.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)They don't do specifics now, just big bold generalities. For example, "I will repeal it and replace it" is classic Romney, intentionally vague. Romney THINKS he is saying as little as possible, being polite and likeable, and keeping the focus on Obama. Reality is much different.
I think Anne Romney's comments this morning may have come from the Romney campaign team being under attack for THEIR "campaign policy." All the friendly fire is coming at them -- I suspect that privately people are telling Romney something like 'you have to get personal in your offense' and I think what came out of Anne's mouth about the alleged Obama campaign strategy and specifically her phrase "let's kill this guy" is likely something she's heard non-stop for the last 3 months. I just imagine Rupert Murdoch, the Kochs and others on speaker phone telling Romney's team that they HAVE to do a character assassination on Obama in order to win and they will help them and/or guide them through that process.
One analyst said recently "people just aren't ready to hate this President" (!) Sadly Murdoch and the PACs will likely try their best to change that and they are trying to get Romney on board. They are trying to fire his team right now and replace it with theirs.
At this point I just hope they don't replace Romney altogether. I am loving this race. Can't wait to see how bad his VP pick is.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)that some people consider it their "job" or "duty" to make people "hate" another person, group, etc. That is what I despise the most about fundies in particular. It's not just enough for them to hold their own personal beliefs (which, of course, they're entitled to no matter how repugnant they are) but they see it as their sacred duty to make sure that as many people as possible adopt their disgusting POV. I'm fairly certain that some of them probably even get a "thrill up their leg" bringing out bigotry and hatred of their targets.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)by comparison because it takes a form like what they did to Howard Dean. They couldn't make people hate Dean so they created "the scream" and labelled him "crazy" and appealed to fear mixed with pity. Total media character assassination and they have tried similar stuff on Obama but nothing has gelled.
This kind of stuff can backfire to. If they go after someone who is very likeable with bogus reasons to hate or fear that person then THEY look pretty hate-able. The safe play in politics is to label your opponent "a phony" -- it is mildly hate-based but the bigger selling point is distrust (fear).
wandy
(3,539 posts)mike dub
(541 posts)"At this point I just hope they don't replace Romney altogether. I am loving this race. "
I was thinking the same thing today...Wondering if there's any possible way that they could replace Romney at the convention?, or is he a done-deal?
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)They could cite a health reason and run Jeb Bush or something but that is not at all likely unless they can move the money they have raised over to someone else. They took forever to reluctantly gel around Romney and now they don't think he can get it done or ??
They seem really set off by Romney breaking from their script on Obamacare. It is like they set up a political Tee-ball and Mitt refuses to hit it. He is supposed to say that ACA is a tax and call Obama a tax raiser.
randome
(34,845 posts)But I also think things are going to get worse for Romney and the Republicans before November. My dream is that things get so bad, he decides to drop out and Obama will be uncontested.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts).....although I fully expect that if it were to happen, they'd find some way to blame Obama for it, somehow.
DFW
(60,186 posts)They went for hair, money and no principles at all.
They have no right to complain now. They are sleeping in the bed they made. Better luck next time.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)seems fake fake fake fake
DFW
(60,186 posts)They held a fundraiser for him at their home in late 2007, and he came to it. After meeting him, they were horrified to find themselves with exactly the same impression you described after meeting Romney.
JBoy
(8,021 posts)Journeyman
(15,449 posts)"Y'all seem to be a bunch of nimrods with no political savvy whatsoever. Get sharp! Today!"
"You're uninspired, your wife's a clueless shrew, and your grandbaby's ugly. Do something! Today!"
JaneQPublic
(7,117 posts)He's already got more money than God, so doing anything else in the world of business would be redundant.
So the obvious next rung on his career ladder is to become president. And that job offers the added benefit of fulfilling an aspiration his father was never able to obtain.
For Mitt Romney, being the president is only a condition or a status, but not an action.
avebury
(11,197 posts)because Dad couldn't get the job done.
JaneQPublic
(7,117 posts)...to finally outrank his Admiral father and Admiral grandfather.
It appears there is a theme with GOP candidates acting out on "Daddy" issues.
oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)the Mormon thing... the White Horse Prophecy, (sorry no links).. a Mormon President is going to save us..
DallasNE
(8,008 posts)That's what Ann Romney said in a moment of candor awhile back. That type of campaign doesn't run on ideas or passion. It runs on a feeling of entitlement. It also gets caught flat-footed when things don't play out as expected as happened with Supreme Court decisions on immigration and the Affordable Care Act. As a result, Romney has had two straight bad weeks and so the grumbling begins. No surprise there, so what else were conservatives expecting? You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Gotta at least put a paddle in the water and give a push.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)I remember watching the 2004 campaign. Don't get me wrong about John Kerry but he did not have alot support from the hardcore democrats - mainly the online communities like DU and other sites. I think most people were excited about Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich and Wesley Clark. Thing I found is what excites people in the online world doesn't necessarily add up to Real World Support. Ultimately John Kerry won the primaries.
I know that DUers got on board with supporting John Kerry but there was alot of 'Anyone But Bush' mentality happening. I think when you campaign like that you have supporters who are there but may not be giving their 100%.
Yes I know there was much more to Kerry's 'loss' than just the 'Anyone But Bush' mentality and that includes the fact that Bush did manage to steal Ohio to get the win. But I keep thinking if it was a candidate that had more enthusiastic supporters perhaps the race wouldn't have been so close that Bush could have done the steal.
This year I see alot of extreme right-wing supporters with the 'Anyone But Obama' mindset and in the long run that's going to hurt them. Romney was not a good choice for a party that took a hard turn to the right in 2010 but he's the only option for the GOP unless something crazy happens at the convention.
BTW the 'Anyone but....' seems to have an impact on the challenger. I know there are people here that are voting Obama because they are 'Anyone but Romney', but I don't think that has as much affect on incumbants.
That's just my 2 cents.
I found the Kerry campaign very frustrating and I think that he won in spite of it (bc he won in Ohio).
It is as Romney looked the February polls that showed "generic white guy" got more votes than any of the real GOP contenders and now he is just trying to be generic white guy.
politicasista
(14,128 posts)Cahill and Shrum. For making a decent Democrat continued to be seen as an the unofficial poster Dem for not fighting back.
Interesting that the 08 Obama team took notes because some of O's people were former K people, but that will never stop people from saying how bad the campaign was or how the candidate was "mediocre" and "sucked".
Thanks for nothing Cahill and Shrum.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)because John Kerry won at the ballot box. I think campaigns are increasingly tightly targeted to swing voters so the campaign has a very different view than most of us. They just move poll numbers in swing states, one by one. They got thier number in Ohio and then went to Florida. And they won in Ohio as they knew they would from their polling and tracking.
I thought Kerry needed to respond quickly to the Swift Boat thing, call them all liars to their faces on CNN. Just show up during the daily BS and say: Okay I'm the guy they are talking about, let me in. Bring your own cameras. But that wasn't Kerry's style or Shrums. But again I must concede that Kerry won in 2004 (he just didn't win by enough to beat Blackwell).
politicasista
(14,128 posts)the password is "surrogate."
Some Kerry supporters have posted the facts (including the campaign response from DU's archives) that media refused to cover it (i.e. firefighters convention).
Guess that "liars" would have gotten more attention, but the media was just not fair to him like they are to Obama now.
And also, what Obama has/had are/were surrogates like Senator Kerry. That would be the surrogate's job to call them "liars," not Kerry, not Obama. The surrogates were M.I.A. in 04 and other ideas.
IDK why they get a pass and Kerry still gets berated for the lack of response.
Again, Obama has/had surrogates, Kerry (and Gore for that matter) did not.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)No one seems to be FOR Romney, they are just against Obama. But i have seen a shitload of Obama stickers this election.. already!!
DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)They know that we Liberals like to start hating on the person from day one. It would have happened to Hillary too, or any White candidate, as the Jane Hamshers and Arriana Huffingtons kept whining about how they were not allowed to run the office.
I will admit, I want Obama to go left, and I believe he would gain more of the base. Of course, he, like Mitt, like many others, are under the spell that there is this mythical force of center right people called "the independents" that must be obeyed, for only THEY decide elections. Of course, what is really meant are a bunch of Reagan democrats who like their social security, but cannot help thinking that some brown skinned person is screwing them out of what belongs to THEM. It is one thing to see the Ayn rand ideologues, another to see people that, were it not for FDR, would have STARVED, using every bit of their money to screw others.
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bluesbassman
(20,384 posts)Rmoney is merely reflecting the light of his own party.
That statement right there sums up the GOP on the whole (with the only excetion being their entrenched desire to lower or eliminate taxes for the wealthy).
Gman
(24,780 posts)Romney wants to take this country back and get it on the right track, or something vague like that. Oh, he's gonna move to repeal "Obamacare"... but doesn't say anything about replacing it or what else he would do.
Frankly, I don't know what he stands for either.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,957 posts)in terms of suggesting that all the Republican Party needs is somebody to sign the stuff that Paul Ryan and other Republican *luminaries* crank out of Congress. In that respect, Mitt Romney is clearly that guy. He clearly has no bold ideas, policies, or vision for his candidacy and will say or do whatever people in the party want him to do or say. He will eagerly be "President Autopen" if it means he gets to sit in the Oval Office. Other than just wanting to add being POTUS to his trophy case and he and Ann feeling that it's "his turn" to be POTUS, I really have no clue whatsoever why he's running for POTUS or what he'll bring to the country. I wouldn't ordinarily be worried about such a person running for POTUS except for the fact that approximately 30% of the population will vote for him for no other reason than the fact that he is not Barack Obama.
applegrove
(132,217 posts)one IMHO. Fact is getting your base angry makes them ready to go to war, cede nothing and agitate the people they are around. That is how you win elections.
cstanleytech
(28,473 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)matters. And that's why he can't say anything.
That's the whole show.
He's running for the 1% and their FOREIGN partners some of whom likely are going to be literally under-water soon on some of their real estate investments and some of that, likely, even TIF'ed.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)I've seen more discipline from a 3 year old near an unattended cookie jar. That is joke!!
His campaign sucks because he, as a product, sucks. They are having a really hard time hiding who he really is. Bush II was easier, at least he said funny things.. and had this 'aw shucks' bullshit about him. Romney.. well they can't do anything right, and he has just no personality.
Now shit is hitting the fan online because one of his PACs is going to advertise BIG during the Olympics.. and people are pissed.. on both sides.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)It is still written with that MSM concern troll tone, but at least their side has to deal with it once in awhile.
patrice
(47,992 posts)without Obama, in order to prevent any more legs dropping off of that Wall Street millipede that took so sickly in '08. They have to stop the bleeding before slaves, who are waiting on "the job creators" to do their thing, notice the wreak of death.
Romney is a fucking place holder for the hegemony that runs Earth.
wandy
(3,539 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)I'm not an illuminatti-bot, but my 2nd husband was a corporate attorney most of his life and general counsel for a couple of years.
wandy
(3,539 posts)It's more like a country club. A club where you must have a great deal of wealth and power to belong to.
And for that ilk their is only one thing you wish for.
More wealth and power.
And theirs pretty much only one place you can get it.
patrice
(47,992 posts)along with the financial mass of it all, case in point, Willard Romney.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The long fight scene in the middle of the movie was one of the best I've seen.
tanyev
(49,297 posts)*fingerscrossed*
wandy
(3,539 posts)I've never had to put a lot of effort into getting anything I wanted. Why should the presidency be any different.
It's MY turn, I should have it.
Hell I can't remember the dog whistles much less the party line so I'd best be as quiet as possible.
Heck a lot of people will vote for me because they hate Obama.
After all Obama was born in,,, born in,,, heck I can't remember the country but it's somewhere in Africa.
MSM isn't going to say anything bad about me. Hell we own them.
And the one best thing I have going for me.
One Dollar = One Vote!
And I have plenty of friends who have plenty of dollars.
Watch out for this guy, he's more dangerous than he appears!
DCKit
(18,541 posts)underpants
(196,498 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Worked for Bewsh . . . every Faux watching nose-picker thought he was going to be a uniter that was going to make them rich. They chose . . . poorly.
The reason it's difficult for RMoney to articulate his "positions" is because "Me and My Boys are going to fist you without lube until you say 'Romney, you are Lord!'" isn't a very subtle or family friendly agenda. Doesn't play well in Peoria, if you gets my drift.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)When he was Gov here it was clear he was only doing it as a stepping stone to run for president. In fact he spent most of his term in places like Iowa.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)And you can bet there is a lot of input coming from his church no doubt. I read that he is counting on the Mormons in the states to run his get out the vote operation.It shows one what a flawed candidate he is with no empathy or warmth about him. You can see it in his body language, he doesn't like being around regular people. I can't wait for someone to catch him wiping his hand after shaking a commoners. The guy who got fired from Politico was telling the truth Rmoney only feels comfortable around white people. When you see his events it is white bread city. And don't get me started on Ann a privileged out of touch woman who never had to work a hard day in her life. All of in the republicans are running scared and I am happy.
d_r
(6,908 posts)and be the king or whatever it is. Talk about the "chosen one."
rocktivity
(45,006 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 8, 2012, 11:08 AM - Edit history (1)
But I told you years ago that Rick Perry was your best bet.
Like McCain, Perry was your least worst candidate, if only because his competition consisted of women, a minority, a religious extremist, Mormons, a libertarian, and has-beens. But voters FELT like they had picked McCain -- giving them a sense of having skin in the game -- while you pulled his strings the way you did Bush II's.
So cut the sob story about how "unexpectedly" shocked you are that Romney isn't "selling." You GOP "puppeteers" are the ones who decided to force-feed him to your voters, and you're the ones who decided that Mitt's not being black was enough of campaign strategy. Cue the DU "Cry Me A River" String Quartet!
rocktivity
nxylas
(6,440 posts)The more of them stay at home, the more it balances out GOP voter suppression tactics to keep Democrats from voting.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)I'm really looking forward to watching the GOP convention. The Murdoch and Ron Paul factions are going to throw some monkey wrenches into the well-oiled Republican machinery.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That alone won't do it. Yes Rmoney will outspend Obama probably by quite a bit. He can try to "buy" votes all he wants, but unless he starts running a campaign on ideas and solutions he'll lose. Hiding from the press doesn't help him. It makes him look like a big coward. It's going to be even worse when the debates come around and Obama uses him to wipe the floor.
I think not much is going to happen in the campaign until after the focus is off the Olympics in mid-August. My guess is Romney will try to steal the spot light be announcing his running mate with in a few days after the Olympics end on August 12th.
CanonRay
(16,171 posts)in answer to the Republican insider.
quakerboy
(14,868 posts)When you are clearly the more extreme candidate.
Also, Its very unsatisfying for the base that wants the crazy if you are trying to avoid saying anything that might confirm the icey cold crazy running through your veins.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)sure someone spent how much on The Postman? oh you can spend way too much money on a movie but at the end of the day it's still not going to sell.
find it totally insane that the Rich who only get Richer under obama wanna vote for Mitt who will bankrupt them. Why? Who buys their stuff. They don't exactly grow money on their trees.
Ishoutandscream2
(6,783 posts)PATRICK
(12,396 posts)The verdict is already in that the GOP is about to be repossessed from the ideologue nutcases AND nouveau riche would-be kingmakers. Probably by the Bush coterie on behalf of big, old money and again, big oil. Romney by merely possessing the nomination has squelched the moronic fires. Next up, Nixon-like will likely be Jeb Bush. Important to this is the retention of a do-nothing-but-harm Congress and impotent Senate.
Having to still worry about a possible Obama defeat, made all the more irritating because of the wide and deep array of media and election fraud, negates the real GOP victory here. Surviving against ALL logic and human interests AND paving the way for some Bushco redo is still happening with the spotlights turned Obama.
During the Kennedy and likely the FDR-Johnson years REAL Dem leadership seemed abundant and growing. Under Obama, because of the incredible gaming of disaster by the GOP who still lack credible leaders of any sort! I sense- maybe wrongly, I hope I am wrong- a whistling vacuum, few offices rewarding even minimal good governance. Good guys without momentum, without overwhelming accomplishments versus pumped up nauseous (insert favorite expletive here) money entitled bullies.
0rganism
(25,647 posts)Let's hope our side can get out enough enthusiastic voters to counter the anti-Obama movement.
