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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:24 AM Oct 2016

Republicans despondent that Trump threw away final debate

Source: Politico

Donald Trump’s rocky performance on the final debate stage did little to allay his party’s concerns that the GOP is headed for an electoral catastrophe up and down the ticket.

In interviews with over a dozen senior Republican strategists, not one said Trump did anything to change the trajectory of a contest that is growing further out of reach. And many said they were deeply distressed by Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the Nov. 8 election, an eyebrow-raising moment already dominating headlines.

With Trump’s prospects for securing 270 electoral votes growing dimmer by the day, many Republicans have turned their focus to the gritty, unpleasant task of protecting the party’s congressional majorities. Trump, they said, did little to buttress the GOP ticket — and may have worsened its position by repeating his claim that the election is rigged, something congressional Republicans are sure to be pressed on in the days to come.

Immediately after Trump’s remark, several party higher-ups, including South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham and Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake, took to Twitter to distance themselves from it.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republicans-trump-debate-230071

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Republicans despondent that Trump threw away final debate (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2016 OP
Schadenfreude ! ! ! trusty elf Oct 2016 #1
"Isn't that some kind of nazi word?" forgotmylogin Oct 2016 #35
They own him. They created this monster. yardwork Oct 2016 #2
And many like Paul Ryan are still endorsing him. They are all complicit in this. cbdo2007 Oct 2016 #22
Particularly with Trump's refusal to say he'll accept election results, Ryan and other GOP Nitram Oct 2016 #24
Well said!!! Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2016 #27
Trump is proving his running mate Pence to be a liar. keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #36
GOP is the party of "No Policy" harun Oct 2016 #38
Kochs, Adelson et al knew this a long time ago. Focus on the Senate and the House DFW Oct 2016 #3
Exactly! lark Oct 2016 #11
"threw it away" implies that he practiced, rehearsed and then did bad. Javaman Oct 2016 #4
He threw away the opportunity. thesquanderer Oct 2016 #8
But that is his own fault as he had plenty of time to get prepared but he probably thought cstanleytech Oct 2016 #14
he thinks he can overpower all women like he's done wordpix Oct 2016 #18
Exactly! mountain grammy Oct 2016 #16
"She shouldn't be allowed to run." bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #5
Dictators don't allow their opponents to run. Democracies do. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #13
I'm a bit alarmed so many Americans still don't get what this guy is about, he wants to be RKP5637 Oct 2016 #29
We are going to learn alot cilla4progress Oct 2016 #31
Everybody, RobinA Oct 2016 #6
A post at the Guardian caught my attention bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #7
Surprise? Scarsdale Oct 2016 #9
Despicables are making posts already: Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2016 #23
Probably only 10% of them will act out, but ... what a 10% bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #26
Apparently, prov1813man thinks that the tanks will be on his side. Aristus Oct 2016 #28
those guys are in for a big surprise if they try to go beyond talk 0rganism Oct 2016 #41
That's a great one. Thanks for adding it. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #32
he,he Trump will be very busy post-election with the Jane Doe rape lawsuit wordpix Oct 2016 #19
Like the rest of us, Trump looked like he can't wait for this to be over. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #10
They nominated the asshole to be their leader. Live with it. dalton99 Oct 2016 #12
"Republicans despondent" is my favorite headline ever on DU. NBachers Oct 2016 #15
So depressed they don't have the energy to whine, or reach for their guns. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2016 #33
At this point, it's pretty clear that he WANTS to lose. Complete martyrdom; a bullwinkle428 Oct 2016 #17
Really? ananda Oct 2016 #20
Republicans threw away the debate when they nominated Trump. nt SunSeeker Oct 2016 #21
Which is why the headline should be "Republicans won't commit to accepting election results." randome Oct 2016 #25
Yet, to the repub/cons base, the Donald is the most credible candidate of the GOP lot. keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #37
Lets put this in perspective turbinetree Oct 2016 #30
Nice Synopsis.... busterbrown Oct 2016 #34
Thank you ( Wado) turbinetree Oct 2016 #40
If it's rigged, 33 states are rigged by Republicans keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #39
Trumps "poll watching" thugs... pat_k Oct 2016 #42

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
22. And many like Paul Ryan are still endorsing him. They are all complicit in this.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:58 AM
Oct 2016

If it is possible to respect any of the repubes...I must say that I do have a lot of respect for the ones that have spoken out against him from the start, and who come out after stuff like this to publicly distance themselves from him. I still dont' respect their viewpoint on things at all, but it does take a lot of courage to go against your own party candidate.

Nitram

(27,749 posts)
24. Particularly with Trump's refusal to say he'll accept election results, Ryan and other GOP
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:09 AM
Oct 2016

honchos are revealing themselves to be spineless idealogues who don't give a shit about the country.

harun

(11,381 posts)
38. GOP is the party of "No Policy"
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:50 PM
Oct 2016

They deserve this. No real health plan, no real economic plan, no student debt plan, no wall st. reform plan, no climate change plan and so on. Their only policy is keep everything exactly the same so the super rich get more rich. A few uneducated rednecks still go along with it but I think they may eventually be forced to govern if they ever want a chance in office again. Dem's will dominate them this election.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
3. Kochs, Adelson et al knew this a long time ago. Focus on the Senate and the House
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:47 AM
Oct 2016

They've been doing that for 2 months, and with a lot more money than we'll ever be able to raise.
Congress, especially the Senate, is where the direction of the country will be decided.

A President Hillary without a Democratic-led Senate would be like planting the seed of a beautiful flower without ever giving it a drop of water.

lark

(26,081 posts)
11. Exactly!
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:33 AM
Oct 2016

Hopefully we can get her a Dem senate, that is 100% critical, so she can get a good liberal judge for SCOTUS, maybe one named Obama, lol. A less RW house would be nice too. GOTV for up and down the ballot. There are lots of important amendments and referendums as well, such an important vote.

Javaman

(65,711 posts)
4. "threw it away" implies that he practiced, rehearsed and then did bad.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:52 AM
Oct 2016

no, there was no throwing away of anything, he brought nothing to the debate to throw away in the first place.

thesquanderer

(13,006 posts)
8. He threw away the opportunity.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:25 AM
Oct 2016

In part because of what you said, not being sufficiently prepared.

But also just by being Donald Trump.

At this point, I don't know who else they expected him to be.

Early on, he said that he could be "so presidential." This was his last chance to prove it.

cstanleytech

(28,471 posts)
14. But that is his own fault as he had plenty of time to get prepared but he probably thought
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:41 AM
Oct 2016

he could just get by with the tactic of attacking and intimidating Hillary like he did everyone else but she didnt let it rile her and thus he failed.
Hopefully though the blowback will linger for years with him and I would be extremely happy if everyone would boycott every single business with his name on it or that he owns because frankly he is a true piece of shit.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
18. he thinks he can overpower all women like he's done
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:58 AM
Oct 2016

throughout his life. Few women until recently have stood up to him. Maybe his ex-wives and their lawyers but that's it.

That poor 13 y.o. girl "Jane Doe," whom he allegedly raped is finally standing up to him. I totally believe her story.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
13. Dictators don't allow their opponents to run. Democracies do.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:40 AM
Oct 2016

So much mud has been thrown at Hillary, but nothing sticks.

On the other hand, Donald J tRump has been found to have discriminated against African Americans, twice, and had to accept a consent decree.

tRump has also paid a fine for using his foundation to bribe Florida's Attorney General.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
29. I'm a bit alarmed so many Americans still don't get what this guy is about, he wants to be
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:33 AM
Oct 2016

dictator of the United States. He follows dictatorial playbooks. ... perhaps many voters have not looked at the history of dictatorial nations and what happens when a dictatorial personality rises.

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
31. We are going to learn alot
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:52 AM
Oct 2016

About who these people are when the electoral college votes are in. Alabama? Wisconsin? Idaho? Where ARE these ignoramuses? Or fascists?

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
6. Everybody,
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:53 AM
Oct 2016

and I mean everybody including the GOP, needs to STFU about possible post-election shenanigans. Talking about it, wringing hands, writing editorials, just feeds the beast. There's nothing to be done at this point and frankly, what standing or recourse does Trump really have to "not accept the result?" Constant discussion of this issue just allows Trump to hold everybody hostage from now until the election, when in fact, there's really not a whole hell of a lot he can do. After the election, he's done unless someone decides to hand him a mic.

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
7. A post at the Guardian caught my attention
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:59 AM
Oct 2016

"You've got to wonder at this point whether he thinks he can rouse
his army of deplorables to some sort of armed insurrection if, as most
people expect, the vote does not go his way. It's becoming apparent
he may well be unstable enough."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/20/she-destroyed-him-10-readers-on-the-final-presidential-debate

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
9. Surprise?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:27 AM
Oct 2016

What the HELL did they expect? A totally different candidate to show up for this last debate, after the first two disasters? They may be shocked that he refuses to accept the results of the election, but they are planning to use their strategy of blocking EVERYTHING Hillary will try to do. They tried that with President Obama. Lumpy McCain already stated that they will block ANY SC nominee Hillary puts forward. Guess he did not think before he said that out loud. He ran away when reporters tried to question him on it. Want to bet the gop already had their meeting, planning to block Hillary at every turn? Do the voters in Arizona know their candidate is planning another session of DO NOTHING after all these years? Old fart should retire, he has scammed enough wealth during his many terms in office.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
23. Despicables are making posts already:
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:59 AM
Oct 2016
To be honest, I want to see a revolt if she wins.

2,784 posted on 2016-10-20, 12:39:36 AM by fision


Me too, a revolt is what we will need and get. She can only take the
office by fraud,and that should be answered by revolt.

2,916 posted on 10/19/2016 9:16:20 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty


i want to see tanks as the last line of defense honors their oath
“against all enemies”.

3,076 posted on 10/20/2016 2:23:10 AM PDT by prov1813man


The reality is we're at War with these lefties. We're at War for the survival of our
Sacred Republic. The communists/globalists are in the final stages of
taking our country. We can't let that happen. I hope the ballot box
works on November 8. If it doesn't, then we have no recourse but to go
to the cartridge box.
We will Never Surrender!


3,029 posted on 2016-10-20, 2:35:24 AM by Art in Idaho

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
26. Probably only 10% of them will act out, but ... what a 10%
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:23 AM
Oct 2016

Americans do understand:

"She's guilty of a very very serious crime. She should never have been
allowed to run." False criminalization as new birtherism.

https://twitter.com/rtraister/status/788925178331947010

I've feared this for some time, localized insurrections are possible

Liberals called GWB a usurper, but were never armed. These Trump
guys are locked and loaded

But seriously, revolution? All revolutions, as studied originally by Crane
Brinton's Anatomy of Revolution, require access, control of the capital
city, and the breakdown of law and order. Our professional military,
our national guard, our NSA not obeying orders?? Absolutely not realistic,
a complete no-go, not going to happen.

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
28. Apparently, prov1813man thinks that the tanks will be on his side.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:29 AM
Oct 2016


Don't get your hopes up, idiot. I took the oath you're referring to. It said: "All enemies, foreign and domestic" (Italics mine).

If you take up arms against the people of the United States, you are a domestic enemy. And if an armed insurrection starts, I will go down to my local recruiting office and beg them to take this 48 year-old ex-tanker back for the duration so I can clobber you clowns...

0rganism

(25,646 posts)
41. those guys are in for a big surprise if they try to go beyond talk
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 06:51 PM
Oct 2016

i have confidence that the FBI and federal marshals (if necessary) will arrest any Bundy-impersonators before their revolution gets rolling. as Mr. Herbert says, "A beginning is a very delicate time," it will take more than fanaticism and poorly-regulated small arms to nurture their aspirations of fascist revolution in the name of God Emperor Trump.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
19. he,he Trump will be very busy post-election with the Jane Doe rape lawsuit
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:03 AM
Oct 2016

alleging Trump raped then 13 y.o. "Jane" in 1994. She has two female witnesses so far and then there's Don's "friend," billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Case is up for hearing in Dec.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK ------------------------------------------------------------
JANE DOE, proceeding under a pseudonym, Plaintiff, v. DONALD J. TRUMP and JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN, Defendants. ))))))))) Case No.: JURY TRIAL DEMANDED ---------------------------------------------------------------

COMPLAINT FOR RAPE, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, CRIMINAL SEXUAL ACTS, SEXUAL ABUSE, FORCIBLE TOUCHING, ASSAULT, BATTERY, INTENTIONAL AND RECKLESS INFLICTION OF EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, DURESS, FALSE IMPRISONMENT, AND DEFAMATION

bullwinkle428

(20,662 posts)
17. At this point, it's pretty clear that he WANTS to lose. Complete martyrdom; a
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:54 AM
Oct 2016

suicide mission. He knows the responsibility is way more than he would ever want to handle. His only concern at this point is how much money can he fleece from his drooling, Kool-Aid quaffing flock.

ananda

(35,145 posts)
20. Really?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:18 AM
Oct 2016

Only people living in cloudcuckooland would have expected
a different result.

It was Clinton who surprised me. She was much stronger,
really together and so presidential.

She is now ready to be president!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. Which is why the headline should be "Republicans won't commit to accepting election results."
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:19 AM
Oct 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.
[/center][/font][hr]

turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
30. Lets put this in perspective
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:49 AM
Oct 2016

the republicans can try to distance themselves from the orange hair "guy" all they want, they can even sing the tune from the
Kinks "Destroyer" (which I think is appropriate for there dumpster), to describe how paranoid he really is and them also, but they own this "guy" and his team, and he owns them.

They made this bed, and they own it. One has to look no further than what has been happening at the committee level for years and now the U.S. Supreme Court. Hurricane Sandy was prime example in republican malfeasance, and Katrina, tying up or trying to take funds from other programs to pay for something, when human beings were in trouble. Or what has happened at Keystone and now what is transpiring in the plains of North Dakota.

McCain has already come out and said that if Clinton gets the job of being a president he will not allow her the Constitutional right to advise and consent to her the nominees and put people on the U.S. Supreme court.

Mitch McConnell, Chuck Grassley and all of the other republicans are bastardizing the system, when it comes to judicial nominees , some sitting and waiting for over 18 months.

Kelly Ayotte thinks that the orange hair serial predator of woman, is a role model for her daughter, and is now trying to back track that debate answer.

Pat Toomey thinks that a woman's right to choice should be the same as what the orange hair guy said, that there should be some form of punishment.

The list goes on and on

And, other one is Paul (Ayn Rand) Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, Jason Chaffetz, and everyone on that side of the republican aisle.

They have already threatened and said that this coming March in the appropriation side of budget, if they are still in power that they will go after the funding of social security and medicare, EPA, USDA, FDA, NLRB, CFPB, Department of Education, (and will more than likely pass the TPP, just to poke the workers in the proverbial eye) and any and all agencies because they lost some power and will continue to try and sell the idea that the Ronald Ray Gun mantra that government is bad and needs to be privatized.

I am really struck on how the media has played in this election, like, lets say the Washington Post and there editorial board and how they marginalized on one particular candidate from Vermont. When the paper said that his views were simplistic, when he was advocating for better policies.

The Washington Post said the following:

"The system----and by this we mean the constitutional structure of checks and balances-----require policymakers to settle for incremental changes. Mr. Obama has scored several ambitious but incomplete reforms that have made peoples lives better while ideologues on both sides took pot shots."

If this is read like it means then the American system because of its structure doesn't permit a president to achieve anything more than the incremental changes.

Right now the right wing republican party are trying to have it both ways and if the Post is any indication in what there comments were, in this above article when they also commenting on the "checks and balances", should be incremental, is wrong.

The republican party with the help from some in the fourth rail have bastardized the concept of what the constitution means when it comes to "checks and balances" .

Maybe they should look at themselves in the mirror and really ask what the policies are that this country needs to move forward.
Most people in this country do not realize that the elected people in Washington, will have only worked 111 days this year. Everyday the papers should be asking what have you been doing in those 111 days, what have the republican controlled Congress being doing--------------nothing and how does that relate to this election cycle, it relates to everything, a party that has tried to have it both ways and to stall on policies, and to continue to stall, and to support a bigot and racists, and other anti-polices platform for years, of using hate and fear.

When I worked on aircraft to maintain flight safety, we did not use incremental changes, by law we could be charged with murder if we were found to bastardized flight safety and caused the death of anyone on that plane.

The New Deal, the Voting Rights Acts, were not incremental changes, they were direct polices to help the country as a whole and its citizens, this is what this country needs.

The papers can endorse Clinton all they want, my question is do they endorse the down ballot republicans? And Why?

Or are they going to explain, what it means to have a party that knew, they had a flawed person running for office, and there right wing policies are wrong, that has always thought that if you lose you never shake the other person hand, and acknowledge that you lose, to protect the "checks and balances" for the winner. How are these papers going to explain this, when they have been lacking in there job performance of explaining, how a Congress and Senate, thought they can circumvent the Constitution when they were sitting in a restaurant conspiring, to attack the "checks and balances"


Just saying


turbinetree

(27,551 posts)
40. Thank you ( Wado)
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 05:46 PM
Oct 2016

No they will not, but they will some how come up with a plan to make it look like one if we do not vote, to stop this grid lock.

Right now on Chuckles program Meet the right wing Press, he just had on Jeff Flake from Arizona, the same man that thinks that giving Navajo sacred land to a foreign corporation is just fine and dandy, right along with McCain in tow.

He, Chuckles thought it was more important to bring Flake on to try and help prop up the charade, when he could have linked the that legislation, that he and McCain did and thinks, to how the dumpster does the same thing when being a bigot and racist, just like Flake and McCain were against the Navajo.

My parents live in Arizona and they see first hand what these two and the right wing republican government have been doing, and now the Arizona paper wants to endorse Clinton---great, what have they been doing for the last umpteen years, supporting racism.

And if Clinton gets into office and he (Flake) his still in that republican power structure, will he continue with the grid lock?

I say yes

But Chuckles didn't ask that question on the "check and balance" ----nope, he was trying to help figure out how to talk about a fascist, and not calling him out and his leadership, to protect that grid lock on the Constitution.

What I found appalling is that a morning host (coffee joe, and I do not think he belongs on air in any capacity) on the cable system, let this man ( the orange hair bigot and whatever adjectives that he embodies) call in and spew his "stuff", then (joe) trying to back track with his panel and his republican guest, when the dumpster was getting into trouble and continuing the enabling of taking the "checks and balances" and throwing them out the window, then trying it both ways also.

A fascist is a fascist, and what happened last night, shows what a party (republican) looks like, and what has been perpetuating the scam for a very long long time, because of the MSM put this end product on the stage to attack civility and the "checks and balances", that they were suppose to protect and that they were more concerned, with this is end product.

And whenever they put someone from the Post or Politico, or the New York Times, to speak its the same thing on what I said in my previous post


Another rant.................



Again, Thank you



keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
39. If it's rigged, 33 states are rigged by Republicans
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:52 PM
Oct 2016

If the election is really rigged, 33 states are rigged by Republicans
Only 17 states and the District of Columbia have Democratic-controlled electoral systems.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-election-rigging-by-gop-3bea26109db4#.o1f2984uq

pat_k

(13,375 posts)
42. Trumps "poll watching" thugs...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:53 PM
Oct 2016

... are going to be a boon to down ticket Republicans.

Trump's contention about rigging, and commitment to contest before the first vote is cast, are appalling and dangerous, but Hillary's unequivocal commitment to accept results is extremely problematic.

She, and many, many others, are propagating the meme that contesting an election is "bad for the country." Unconditional statements are being made that leave no room for legitimate contest.

The presidential election is not the only one happening on Nov 8. With widespread voter suppression on the horizon it is likely that some contests will be required to protect the integrity of ALL the elections. Unconditional statements condemning the idea of contesting will be tossed back at us to brand any candidate mounting a legitimate contest as a hypocrite or "sore loser."

Some clarifying statements from the top (i.e., from Hhillary) are in order.

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