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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:29 PM Nov 2016

Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump tied in Colorado, new poll shows

Source: Denver Post

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are tied in Colorado, a new poll shows, entering the final days of the 2016 presidential race.

The University of Denver poll released Wednesday found Clinton and Trump deadlocked at 39 percent in a four-way race, in a survey of registered likely voters conducted Saturday through Monday. The third-party candidates combined for 15 percent with another 8 percent undecided. The poll’s margin of error is plus-or-minus 4.2 percent.

A head-to-head match between the major party candidates put Clinton at 42 percent and Trump at 41 percent, a statistical tie.
...

Floyd Ciruli, a veteran Colorado pollster who conducted the survey, said the numbers are “reflective of the fact that this environment has turned negative for Clinton,” notably the FBI inquiry into additional e-mails with possible ties to her tenure as secretary of state. Among voters who already cast ballots, Clinton sits in a much better position at 45 percent to 38 percent for Trump — a number that appears to support early voting figures showing Democrats with a 23,000 ballot advantage.

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tied-in-colorado-new-poll-shows/

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Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump tied in Colorado, new poll shows (Original Post) uawchild Nov 2016 OP
One poll does not the truth make. nt. Blue Idaho Nov 2016 #1
Gee, could you possibly combine all your Hillary is losing posts into one thread? Kingofalldems Nov 2016 #2
He/she is on a roll tonight ... obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2016 #4
wonder if there's a union for such a thing tenderfoot Nov 2016 #24
I noticed that same thing. C Moon Nov 2016 #38
To ease poll anxiety, I suggest NastyWomen Nov 2016 #5
What matters is polls now (since Nealthcare and Comey) and the trend Doodley Nov 2016 #12
I agree rtracey Nov 2016 #13
538 NastyWomen Nov 2016 #17
thats not a bad way to look at it.. rtracey Nov 2016 #65
welcome to du niyad Nov 2016 #39
Thanks a bunch. NastyWomen Nov 2016 #47
I can well understand that. glad you decided to come in from the cold!! niyad Nov 2016 #64
Denver Post? LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2016 #7
All I can say is bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #8
Good advice. riversedge Nov 2016 #56
Don't shoot the messenger uawchild Nov 2016 #9
Looks like google missed the Reuters poll. Kingofalldems Nov 2016 #44
That poll result was already posted by someone else, no? uawchild Nov 2016 #46
That's right Flatpicker Nov 2016 #10
Oh my God. Doodley Nov 2016 #11
I see a pattern with u Cryptoad Nov 2016 #14
Do this please, your "pattern" is just a google search result uawchild Nov 2016 #18
slice and dice anyway u want but Cryptoad Nov 2016 #23
I showed you the google results for "poll" that turned up my last two posts just now uawchild Nov 2016 #31
Floyd Ciruli is a Republican mountain grammy Nov 2016 #15
Lol. Posting poll #'s from a repub. misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #21
Good Grief, its the Denver Post. uawchild Nov 2016 #25
the same denver post that endorsed gwb? niyad Nov 2016 #27
the same Denver Post that endorsed HILLARY CLINTON uawchild Nov 2016 #36
the denver post is slightly better than the local fishwrap. that is not saying much. niyad Nov 2016 #41
Its not the Denver Post link that's the problem Its the Pollster. misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #33
All polls should be taken with a grain of salt uawchild Nov 2016 #37
As I said: the problem is not the Denver Post, ITS THE POLLSTER misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #42
I reread what you originally posted, it still seems overly harsh towards me. uawchild Nov 2016 #45
Ok. Gee we were a bit harsh on you. misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #48
Thank you. uawchild Nov 2016 #50
Exactly… regnaD kciN Nov 2016 #52
Screw the Post.. it endorsed Cory Gardner mountain grammy Nov 2016 #35
It's LBN from the Denver Post. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #32
Diiferent Colorado Poll jamese777 Nov 2016 #16
Thanks for posting this. I was freaking out when I saw this poll. (eom) StevieM Nov 2016 #30
I guess google missed that one, Kingofalldems Nov 2016 #40
Yeah, google did miss it. lol uawchild Nov 2016 #49
what a shocker obamanut2012 Nov 2016 #58
By telling them the methodology, people can test what I am doing themselves uawchild Nov 2016 #60
lulz obamanut2012 Nov 2016 #62
Hillary is up by 5 + in Colorado. You need to find another poll. misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #19
lulz obamanut2012 Nov 2016 #20
I am horrified by what is happening. Comey and Chaffetz have set out to steal this election. StevieM Nov 2016 #22
last nine polls I saw had HRC up by nine here. but, nice try. niyad Nov 2016 #26
She's up 10 in another poll misterhighwasted Nov 2016 #34
When I get antsy....I donate...makes me feel better!😄 MountainMazza Nov 2016 #28
Ridiculous jjct2012 Nov 2016 #29
She was up 6-12 in another 10 polls. Dawson Leery Nov 2016 #43
Everybody attacks the polls jamese777 Nov 2016 #51
Are we really going to lose to this jackass? PeteSelman Nov 2016 #53
These polls are bullshit. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #55
While you are posting all this malarkey tavernier Nov 2016 #57
Thank you in advance for your apology uawchild Nov 2016 #59
I always take worms with me when I go fishing, but sometimes take some chicken liver snooper2 Nov 2016 #61
Flawed poll it shows Trump leading in Clark County Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #63

Kingofalldems

(38,422 posts)
2. Gee, could you possibly combine all your Hillary is losing posts into one thread?
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:32 PM
Nov 2016

Coming so fast it's hard to follow.

 

NastyWomen

(119 posts)
5. To ease poll anxiety, I suggest
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:37 PM
Nov 2016

Always refer to this site...They know their stuff. Out of 5 models, all 5 have HRC in the lead BIGLY!
[link:http://pollyvote.com/en/|

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
65. thats not a bad way to look at it..
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 12:34 PM
Nov 2016

I do find it interesting that I have seen Nate Silver on several talk shows lately.... he also analysis many polls that are also biased in specific directions. I was very impressed with his websites final analysis of the 2012 election..

 

NastyWomen

(119 posts)
47. Thanks a bunch.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:10 PM
Nov 2016

Been lurking a long time and decided to finally join. Tried Twitter but so much garbage there I decided it wasn't good for my blood pressure.😄

LenaBaby61

(6,972 posts)
6. Denver Post?
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:39 PM
Nov 2016

Looking within the internals, there were hardly any Hispanics interviewed. I guess there are none in Colorado.

No thanks to this poll.

Response to uawchild (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
8. All I can say is
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:41 PM
Nov 2016

keep working

I've been approached by two Trumpies on the internet tonight, so they
are all told to talk to 10 people who will talk to 10 people

We must keep working! GOTV

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
9. Don't shoot the messenger
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:41 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I am just typing "poll" into google and posting the latest poll results that have not all ready been posted. That's ALL of them. I also use only legitimate news sources, like Reuters or major newspapers like the Denver Post.

The previous post had trump up in Nevada, Hillary up in Florida.

Type "poll" into google and see for yourself what shows up now in the NEWS category. (9:37 PM)

Kingofalldems has been commenting all day on this apparently, shrug.

Posting a late breaking poll result is, well late breaking news. Sorry that some of the results upset some people to the point of saying untoward things about this.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
46. That poll result was already posted by someone else, no?
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:06 PM
Nov 2016

My last two poll posts were around 9:00 and 10:00, the poll you refer to was POSTED ALREADY at 7:30.

Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141614409

Duplicate threads are not allowed in Late Breaking News.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
10. That's right
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:44 PM
Nov 2016

Keep the fear of a Trump win going till after 11/8.

We need turn out this year more than ever.

Keep banging the drum and don't let up till this is over.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
18. Do this please, your "pattern" is just a google search result
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:56 PM
Nov 2016

I am just typing "poll" into google and posting the latest poll results that have not all ready been posted. That's ALL of them. I also use only legitimate news sources, like Reuters or major newspapers like the Denver Post.

The previous post had trump up in Nevada, Hillary up in Florida.

Type "poll" into google and see for yourself what shows up now. (9:37 PM)

You will see the LAST TWO poll results shown are what I just posted.

So you are seeing a "pattern" that is just google result. Shrug.

Again, please don't shoot the messenger.

Here is a crude cut and paste of this google search on the word "poll" that I did at 9:37, the only poll results that qualified as breaking news were the article about the Colorado poll and the article about Nevada/Florida polls. NOTHING was cherry picked. Shrug

Look for yourself, I would appreciate an apology. Thanks.

About 32,700,000 results (0.44 seconds)
Search Results
Story image for poll from CNBC
Poll aggregators seem to be killing off actual polling
CNBC-6 hours ago

It feels at times like we're bombarded with poll coverage, but a little-noticed reality of the 2016 campaign is that we actually have many fewer ...
Story image for poll from Vox

Swing state poll: the FBI letter totally changed the race — but just for ...
Vox-7 hours ago

With six days before the 2016 presidential election, Hillary Clinton is still ahead in the polls. But many of her supporters are anxious — worried ...
MU poll: Clinton leads, Trump soft with GOP
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Los Angeles Times-2 hours ago

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vvvvvv THIS poll result seemed to be late breaking news
Story image for poll from The Denver Post
Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump tied in Colorado, new poll shows
The Denver Post-2 hours ago
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In-Depth-Slate Magazine-Nov 1, 2016
Story image for poll from CNN

vvvvvvvvv THIS Poll result seemed to be late breaking news
New CNN / ORC polls suggest new strength for Trump in Nevada ...
CNN-9 hours ago
Washington (CNN) Both the Clinton and Trump campaigns have hit the ground hard in Arizona, Florida, Nevada and Pennsylvania, and new ...

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
23. slice and dice anyway u want but
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:07 PM
Nov 2016

u only post the worst polls that shine on HRC.... thats a pattern.
funny ur "google search" never turned up
TIMES Pic poll with HRC up +7
Survey monkey 3 +
emerson college +3
UGov +3

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/colorado/

u have done this four or five times today
I dont believe in happenstance

messengers that cherry pick the post do get shot down.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
31. I showed you the google results for "poll" that turned up my last two posts just now
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:17 PM
Nov 2016

You can STILL type "poll" in google and see those results if you don't believe the cut and paste I posted.

Nothing was cherry picked.

Also, many of the polls you mentioned WERE ALREADY POSTED and late breaking news does not allow duplicate threads on the same story.

Also, you missed the fact that one article had Hillary gaining ground in Florida.

Sorry, but I have gone out of my way to show clearly that you were mistaken. Shrug.

Have a nice evening.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
21. Lol. Posting poll #'s from a repub.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:04 PM
Nov 2016

That's what I suspected.
But why post it here on DU? We debunk that shite in no time.

Isn't there a DU rule about posting b.s. repub links here?
Just asking

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
25. Good Grief, its the Denver Post.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:10 PM
Nov 2016

"As the major newspaper in Denver, the Post ranks 12th daily and 10th Sunday of the largest-circulation newspapers in the United States. As of March 2016, it has an average weekday circulation of 1.2 million and Sunday circulation of 840,179."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denver_Post#cite_note-circ-1

The Denver Post has won nine Pulitzer Prizes:

1964: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning by Paul Conrad
1967: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning by Pat Oliphant
1984: Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography by Anthony Suau
1986: Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for a series on missing children
2000: Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News Reporting for its coverage of the Columbine High School massacre
2010: Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography by Craig F. Walker[16]
2011: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning by Mike Keefe[17]
2012: Pulitzer Prize for Feature Photography by Craig F. Walker[18]
2013: Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News Reporting for its coverage of the 2012 Aurora shooting[19]
References not listed below can be found on the linked pages.

Recent national and international awards[edit]
2007: Pulitzer Prize finalist in breaking news for The Denver Post's coverage of Colorado's back-to-back blizzards.
2007: Four awards for outstanding business coverage from the Society of American Business Editors and Writers (SABEW). The project-reporting winner was the Post's 2006 series on Colorado's mortgage foreclosure epidemic, "Foreclosing on the American Dream."
2007: Former Post staff writer Eric Gorski was awarded first place in "Best of the West" contest in the Business and Financial Reporting category for "The Gospel of Prosperity," a look at the finances of the Heritage Christian Center.
2007: Visual journalists at The Post won 10 awards in two international newspaper competitions - nine Awards of Excellence in the 28th annual Society of News Design judging and a bronze medal in the 15th annual Malofiej International Infographic Awards, held in Pamplona, Spain.
Recent local awards[edit]
2007: The Denver Post won 22 top awards in two Colorado journalism contests, including the award for general excellence from the Colorado Associated Press Editors and Reporters (CAPER). The staff of denverpost.com was awarded top honors for online breaking news.
2007: The Mountain States Office of the Anti-Defamation League presented Denver Post editorial cartoonist Mike Keefe with its annual Freedom of the Press award.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
36. the same Denver Post that endorsed HILLARY CLINTON
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:27 PM
Nov 2016

"The Denver Post’s endorsements for the 2016…

President: Hillary Clinton

Democrat Hillary Clinton, the first woman ever to win a major-party nomination, is without question the most qualified candidate in the race for president and an easy call to make when considering the challenges confronting the nation. Her nearly 40 years in public life have instilled in her the temperament she needs to face the many challenges that await. We urge voters to choose the clearly qualified candidate in this race: Hillary Clinton. Read the full endorsement."
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/17/2016-election-endorsements-denver-post/

Ok, I think I deserve an apology from several posters here. The DENVER POST endorsed HILLARY CLINTON for PRESIDENT.

Good Grief. Look, I realize that unfavorable poll results are unsettling, but some people are going over board in making accusations.

I posted the LATEST poll results from a google search of the word "poll" that were not all ready posted to late breaking news at that time.

This witch hunt direct towards me is unflattering to DU.

I honestly feel I deserve, if not an apology, at least an acknowledgement that some critics were just a little too trigger happy.

Like in your case, you did ask a pointed question about the Denver Post with out checking current endorsements. Do you see my point? Please say you do.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
41. the denver post is slightly better than the local fishwrap. that is not saying much.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:35 PM
Nov 2016

I have never forgiven them for the bush endorsement, and never will, even if they see the writing on the wall and endorsed HRC.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
33. Its not the Denver Post link that's the problem Its the Pollster.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:20 PM
Nov 2016

Thanks for the info on the DPost.
I lived in Denver for half my life. Good to see its stats remain as I left them.

Whatever.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
37. All polls should be taken with a grain of salt
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:30 PM
Nov 2016

DU regularly has poll results from polling firms or people that commission polling firms that have a political bias.

As for the Denver Post and this poll, feel free to point out any biases of the pollster or the paper, but THIS YEAR the Denver Poste endorsed HILLARY CLINTON.

Shrug

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
45. I reread what you originally posted, it still seems overly harsh towards me.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:51 PM
Nov 2016

You posted this:

"Lol. Posting poll #'s from a repub.

That's what I suspected.
But why post it here on DU? We debunk that shite in no time.

Isn't there a DU rule about posting b.s. repub links here?
Just asking "

First, people post poll results from right leaning pollsters ALL the time here on DU -- and of course people point out how right leaning they are. So if you just said something like "do you realize how right wing this pollster is?" I would say "gee, no". Instead I got slammed.

Second, you said: Isn't there a DU rule about posting b.s. repub links here?" That seemed a bit harsh to me since the Denver Post is an awarding winning major newspaper that endorsed Hillary Clinton for president this year. SO I asked, why am I getting slammed for a link to a Denver Post article?

Also, not you, but another poster accused me of cherry picking bad polls for Hillary and ignored the fact that I showed it was just a result of googling the word "poll".

Honestly, my motives have been impugned left and right and no one has had the decency to say gee we were a bit harsh on you. lol

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
48. Ok. Gee we were a bit harsh on you.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:11 PM
Nov 2016

I get crap here every day.
Misunderstood OP's & it sucks.
Seriously, I do get what you are saying & have no problem apologizing.

Maybe we are all just tired of doom & gloom type poll posts but the truth is, this election has gone on way too long.
5 days until campaigning is over.
It will take a good week or two after Nov 8th for therepubs to slug it out with each other over their ass kicking loss.

I think the Repub party will splinter in those defending & those accepting their loss.

Be interesting to stand back & watch that one play out.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
50. Thank you.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:17 PM
Nov 2016

I understand the tenseness and vigilance for trolls, that's why I took pains to explain myself.

Thank you again for seeing my point about what I feel was an over reaction towards me.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
52. Exactly…
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:31 PM
Nov 2016

Read the pollster's explanation -- it goes way beyond what a responsible polling organization would say, and sounds more like a Faux guest gleefully spouting "Hillary is doooooooomed!" talking points.

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
35. Screw the Post.. it endorsed Cory Gardner
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:26 PM
Nov 2016

It's become more and more right. I don't read it anymore because I don't trust it..

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
32. It's LBN from the Denver Post.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:18 PM
Nov 2016

not considered a Republican link, although I gave up the rag years ago. The Post has endorsed Hillary because, I think, they want to somehow remain relevant.
I had some interaction with Ciruli many years ago.. he's was a hack then and I'm sure he still is.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
49. Yeah, google did miss it. lol
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:14 PM
Nov 2016

If you type "poll" into google THAT poll is nowhere in sight in the poll results.

Shrug.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
60. By telling them the methodology, people can test what I am doing themselves
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:34 AM
Nov 2016

Everyone... just type "poll" into google and YOU tell me where this poll, The Times-Picayune/Lucid 2016 Battleground State Poll, shows up in the results. I can't find it, perhaps you can.

Why impugn me on THIS one, obamanut2012? Google doesn't return this poll -- The Times-Picayune/Lucid 2016 Battleground State Poll -- as a result when you type "poll" does it? NO.

Certainly not where any reasonable person can see it. Anyone and everyone can simply test this for themselves. You, apparently, did not bother to before once again impugning my motives.

I have pointed this out to you now repeatedly, I hope it sinks in soon and you can see your way to not impugning my motives or method.

Thanks.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
19. Hillary is up by 5 + in Colorado. You need to find another poll.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:00 PM
Nov 2016
http://benchmark.shareblue.com/colorado/

Colorado | Hillary Clinton (D) 5+

Check out which counties L o v e Hillary!!


StevieM

(10,500 posts)
22. I am horrified by what is happening. Comey and Chaffetz have set out to steal this election.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:06 PM
Nov 2016

And it looks like it is a possibility.

It is unrealistic to think that their lies have not changed anything. We were on track for a 10 point victory. The reinvigoration of the fake email scandal has changed all that.

jjct2012

(4 posts)
29. Ridiculous
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:15 PM
Nov 2016

So, let me guess this right. Nevada is trending trump but Florida back to Clinton? This is ridiculous. Polls don't move opposite each other like that. It's noise.

CNN is obligated to report their poll, which is ridiculous, and pass it off as something that it is not.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
43. She was up 6-12 in another 10 polls.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:43 PM
Nov 2016

This Rethug sponsored poll is bullshit along with it's high number of undecideds.

jamese777

(546 posts)
51. Everybody attacks the polls
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:19 PM
Nov 2016

that don't agree with their biases. That's why it is best to take an average of all the latest polls from a state or from at least five national polls.
ANY poll can be inaccurate for one particular round of pollng and scientific polls have a statistical margin of error that is usually around +/- 3 points.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
53. Are we really going to lose to this jackass?
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:41 PM
Nov 2016

It's appalling to think that this boorish, ignorant piece of shit can garner enough support to actually win.

tavernier

(12,369 posts)
57. While you are posting all this malarkey
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 07:42 AM
Nov 2016

the wind blew over the Trump sign in your yard. Better get out there and straighten it up.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
59. Thank you in advance for your apology
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 07:54 AM
Nov 2016

Note: I am typing the word "poll" into google (set on the NEWS category) and posting new polls that have not yet been posted to Late Breaking News.

Nothing is being "cherry picked", so if any poll results are unsettling please don't shoot the messenger. Yesterday I was the victim of a semi-witchhunt for doing this.

Why do this? First, because it IS late breaking news. Second, to fight any complacency if polls actually ARE tightening. Third, as a protest against those that would try to censor or intimidate people into not posting topics that they just don't like. This IS Democratic Underground, posting from reputable sources should not be censored. Thank you.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
61. I always take worms with me when I go fishing, but sometimes take some chicken liver
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 09:38 AM
Nov 2016

As long as the catfish take the bait that is all that matters right

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
63. Flawed poll it shows Trump leading in Clark County
Thu Nov 3, 2016, 10:27 AM
Nov 2016

150,000 more Dems in that country...and Ralston...says it is bullshit. Why do you always post negative stuff? Did you support someone else at one point?

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