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muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:39 PM Dec 2016

Austria presidential election: Far-right's Hofer defeated

Source: BBC

Far-right candidate Norbert Hofer has lost Austria's presidential election.

His campaign manager said he had conceded victory to independent candidate, Alexander Van der Bellen.

The Austrian presidency is largely ceremonial but the vote had been seen as a sign of how well populist candidates might do in upcoming elections in the European Union.
...
Former Green Party head Mr Van der Bellen had a clear lead, according to projections.


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38202669



That was quick - just half an hour after polls closed (at 5pm local time).
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Austria presidential election: Far-right's Hofer defeated (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2016 OP
Whew. moondust Dec 2016 #1
Great :) TubbersUK Dec 2016 #2
I'm really starting to hate the term "populist"... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #3
The Proper Term Should Be "Populist Nationalism" ProfessorGAC Dec 2016 #21
Excellent news! LeftishBrit Dec 2016 #4
This is the best news I've heard all day agalisgv Dec 2016 #5
FUCK "populism". Populism is an excuse to scapegoat Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #6
This re-vote is a strong rejection of the rightward trend seen in Brexit and Trump votes. suffragette Dec 2016 #7
The Cons lost a seat in Richmond Park to the Lib Dems last week. Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #9
Tactical voting? suffragette Dec 2016 #12
And especially being Austria, this is a big "whew!" JudyM Dec 2016 #10
Yes, Giant Steps to reject the far right trend (Sorry, couldn't resist the Coltrane reference) suffragette Dec 2016 #11
Notable quote from that link - JudyM Dec 2016 #13
I hope it is a "turning of the tide." I re-watched Black Mirror's "The Waldo Moment" last night suffragette Dec 2016 #14
That show looks good, yeah, eerie; the planet/reality seems to be shifting. Never thought we'd be JudyM Dec 2016 #17
Ahh, silky smooth. Perfect soundtrack for a Sunday. Yes, Black Mirror is very good, a Twilight suffragette Dec 2016 #18
If Austria Can Do It... kebob Dec 2016 #8
Winner did not win most states TomVilmer Dec 2016 #15
Fantastic... pbmus Dec 2016 #16
Good. n/t Little Tich Dec 2016 #19
Some supporters refer to him as Austria's Obama Fritz Walter Dec 2016 #20

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
3. I'm really starting to hate the term "populist"...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

it seems to me that the term has no relation to what a majority of citizens in a country really want, but only seems to follow the opinions of the loudest and most unscrupulous minority of voters, usually led by some rich asshole who has no clue about what the "common citizen" really wants or needs. And not just no clue, but an active desire to self-aggrandize at the expense of the very folks who support the "populist" candidate.

Populism has become a route to fascism, if history is any judge. Mussolini was a populist, as was Hitler. So forgive me, my inclination is to fight "populism" as it has been manifest since the early- to mid-20th Century. Real democracy requires intelligent, well informed citizens, populism seems to need citizzens to be willfully ignorant to succeed.

Count me out.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
21. The Proper Term Should Be "Populist Nationalism"
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:41 PM
Dec 2016

It's way more about nationalism than the people as a whole, but it gets popularity by targeting the basest of emotions and opinions.

OK, so it is populist, but the term nationalism should be hung on it too.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
4. Excellent news!
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

Breathing great 'phew!'s of relief. My friend has been down with the flu, but said she immediately started to feel better when she heard this news!

And yes, the word 'populist' is being used as a euphemism for 'neo-fascist'. In this election, neither candidate came from a traditional mainstream party; but it's the hard-right one who gets called 'populist'. Fortunately, he turned out not to be populAR.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
7. This re-vote is a strong rejection of the rightward trend seen in Brexit and Trump votes.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:35 PM
Dec 2016

While it was close in their first election, it is not close now.
Good on Austria.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
10. And especially being Austria, this is a big "whew!"
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:53 PM
Dec 2016

Good to see the sweep isn't becoming ubiquitous.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
11. Yes, Giant Steps to reject the far right trend (Sorry, couldn't resist the Coltrane reference)
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 03:08 PM
Dec 2016

especially significant given it's Austria.

The Guardian has a live thread up that combines reporting on this and on the Italian referendum:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/dec/04/italian-referendum-and-austrian-presidential-election-live

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
13. Notable quote from that link -
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 03:48 PM
Dec 2016
Werner Kogler, a delegate for the Green Party, described the result as a “small global turning of the tide in these uncertain, not to say hysterical and even stupid times”


(Great Coltrane toot-out)

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
14. I hope it is a "turning of the tide." I re-watched Black Mirror's "The Waldo Moment" last night
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 03:59 PM
Dec 2016

and what was once an ok episode now seems an eerie foreshadowing of Brexit and Trump.

Time to listen to some Coltrane to smooth out.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
17. That show looks good, yeah, eerie; the planet/reality seems to be shifting. Never thought we'd be
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 06:30 PM
Dec 2016

so happy about Austria, leading the way (hopefully).

Here's some smooth for your Sunday...
https://m.




suffragette

(12,232 posts)
18. Ahh, silky smooth. Perfect soundtrack for a Sunday. Yes, Black Mirror is very good, a Twilight
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:57 PM
Dec 2016

Zone for these times.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
15. Winner did not win most states
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Dec 2016

In USA Trump got the most of the the popular vote in the most states, but won only by Electoral College. In Austria they win by the total popular vote, so the nice green guy who lost by popular vote in five out of nine states, won anyway by total count. In the first round he had lost even worse by only winning in the capitol, but got in total a few percent more than the independent candidate. Only the two in top continues to the second round, so our green guy went up against the far-right candidate - and now he is president The real political leader is the chancellor, who is not elected. The chancellor is appointed by the National Council, which is elected quite proportionally, reflecting the popular vote. Isn't democracy fun!

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
20. Some supporters refer to him as Austria's Obama
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:35 PM
Dec 2016

How can I get one of these t-shirts?
Or indeed seven, one for each day of the week!

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