White House: Trump's $4 billion figure on Air Force One is questionable

methinks he's struggling with the potential to miss that ugly thing.

So he can charge the govt for it and turn a profit. This whole presidency will be one big scam.

You know it'll take a while to build it, make all required modifications and test it before it's delivered. It's not like they can place and order and have it roll out in 6 months.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1633149

This aircraft isn't even in production. All this does is show how ignorant of defense contracting Trump is. I'm sure he doesn't even know was FAR stands for.

I look forward to reading the article you provided. Thank you!

Or are you suggesting that we wait ten years, and then someone snaps their fingers and a new airplane appears instantly?

"Why can't the government just buy one off Trade-a-Plane like I did?"

AF 1 has all kids of security upgrades most planes do not.

Of course it's no secret that the plane is extremely costly but still.

Most likely it's much more than both customized 747's. Backup systems, spare parts, maintenance etc.

ABC reported the contract to build two of them was around $3 billion plus cost overruns.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-heads-back-road-tour-44000943

The thing is, the current aircraft are smaller, 30 years old, and cost more to maintain than it would if we just got new ones. Airplanes aren't cheap but the President needs them as part of his/her job.

... if you gold-plate it.

must think he's got an opportunity to use his personal plane and make a fortune off overpricing the government, or some such nonsense. You can bet it's about self-enrichment, and NOT about looking out for taxpayers. And this is what everything will be about, on every subject, for as long as he's around.

Go for it dude. Maybe he should use his own plane. Will make flying over the middle east a bit more interesting and exciting.

Hint: It does not smell very good there.

and pulled the number out of his ass.

i hate the way a lie is not called what it is. hate that shit!

(fill in the blank). Over and over and over again. Until even the dimwits start to get the nicety for lie.

It's a euphemism for Rep. Walsh's "You lie!"

Trump's lying as usual.

You can cut a lot of costs.


Just take out the Muslim Prayer Curtains, you know.

And the secret room underneath where Hillary was planning to operate the child prostitution ring.

That ought to cut a sizable chunk off the costs....

These planes are type certificated, so you have to find a supplier that meets FAA standards, and that ain't cheap. They have to use certificated materials and processes, and that ain't cheap. You've got to find a licensed installer to put the curtains in, and that ain't cheap either. And all that's got to be paid for in advance. It would cost more at this point to delete the prayer curtains, child prostitution rooms, onboard marijuana farm, huge loudspeakers that play "America...Fuck Yeah!" when the plane lands and, of course, the toilets with the special coating on them that resists any attempt to gold-plate them, than it would to just leave that shit in the plan.

This is my shocked face.

Not gonna happen. He's delusional.

and conspiracy theory sites. Yay! - 4 years of this.

which are going to be needed soon enough, although I understand they won't be flying until 2024, and he simply uses his own aircraft, whoever is elected in 2024 simply will not have a Presidential plane available to use. THAT'S a scary thought.

Not to mention, as has already been pointed out, the President's plane has lots of stuff that ordinary private aircraft don't, much of which no doubt involves security.

If he doesn't, then Airforce one will be waiting around for the next president.

its life. Just sitting around in metaphorical mothballs won't do it any good. A replacement is needed to get into the pipeline pretty much now, if it's to go into service in 2024, which is what's been planned.

Trump's ego is so vast it's very easy to envision him refusing to fly on a plane that doesn't say TRUMP in gigantic letters.

It is, of course, possible, that the Secret Service will tell him he absolutely must fly on Air Force One, and they may also tell him he can't cancel the order for the replacement. But I recognize I don't know very much about these things, least of all what the SS can force a President to do, for his own safety's sake.

Its probably the best maintained plane on earth, with the lowest mileage as well for its age.

I don't think we should scrap the replacement, but its not going to fall out of the sky in 2024.

Air Force One planes has been in service since the Reagan administration which would mean they came into service by 1988. And that they are getting more and more costly to maintain. I will defer to your statement of when the two planes actually came into service.

By 2021 both planes will be over thirty years old. Yes, they won't fall out of the sky -- or hopefully won't fall out of the sky -- but if nothing at all is done to replace them, because Trump happily flies around in his own little plane, and nothing at all is done to get new Air Force Ones in place for whoever becomes President in 2024, there will be a real crisis at that point.

The plane regan used as airforce one is in Regan's presidental library.

When regan died 'air force one' was used to fly his body to washington DC. Maybe that is what you are thinking of. Of course it wasnt airforce one. Likely used the callsign sam-2700

Someone needs to point out to Trumpy Von Fuckstick that Airforce One needs to be equipped to coordinate a war. A real war not a twitter war.

I'm imagining trump on his cell phone fighting fighting all important twitter battles on AF1... lol

( which he is) or he has given out classified information, for the total costs of three airplanes.

https://www.aircraftcompare.com/manufacture-aircraft/Boeing/1

This fascist, if he had any business sense, beside defrauding and stiffing people would tell the public that B747-8 production line is not producing enough aircraft to make a profit for Boeing, because of the simple fact that buyers of planes at both Boeing and Airbus are building and selling two engine ETOPS qualified aircraft.

The B747-8 is more fuel efficient for the four engines than the B747-400. There is a reason why they the Air Force wants the Boeing aircraft, not only is it American Made, but is easier to get parts from the manufacture of the product and its cheaper. McCain and this twit would tell you otherwise, but F*** them. And its more secure, it is after all the flying WHITE HOUSE>

Because then you become dependent on the foreign source for parts, and if they get pissed off they can say you want this part----and laugh at you

You do not want your "enemies "to know what the aircraft has for security and re-fueling capabilities, and other classified material, you want this information in house, why do you think, they have only American made Military aircraft made in the US.

And what's really insane as this serial predator fascist is not even the president, he may run around and think he is, but he has not been sworn in as of yet, unless I am missing something.

The media is trying to "normalize" this hypocrite. You can go to some web site for shoes and there message board says that this hypocrite has cancelled the deal. The only thing he was canceling was him sitting on his golden thrown in the bathroom, tweeting.

For someone who keeps claiming he wants to preserve good American jobs, he sure wants to get rid of them real fast.

Fortunately he doesn't have much say in the matter.

I wonder why he suddenly brings this up? It's not like it's the most pressing thing for the president to be concerned with. He's supposed to be on his "Victory Tour" "Making America Great Again."

If Trump utters it, you KNOW it's a lie.

tRump is a known Liar

It makes him prone to mad impetuous actions that will wreck our economy and put American freedom in jeopardy. I'm surprised he didn't personally take an M-16 into that Pizza joint and shoot the place up.

Against Boeing.

...lots of bells and whistles your ordinary 747 has. Therefore, yeah, it costs a bit more.

http://listabuzz.com/air-force-one-a-peep-inside-the-us-presidential-jet-photos/

It's quite fascinating.

...the shitters are not gold plated.

Eddie ‏@eddie8374 2m2 minutes ago
Ok, since the media isn't capable of covering Trump I have a suggestion for who can: reformed con men.

stuff live.
The lies are neverending and they look like fools doing things like just saying whatever he said about the Carrier deal for example before finding out the facts of it.
Curate the Trump News!

The Press needs to start saying "We will publish no press release before it is verified!"

The twitter shitter just throws stuff at the wall to see what sticks.