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demmiblue

(37,074 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:31 PM Dec 2016

Michigan House Approves Strict New Voter ID Bill Over Dem Objections

Source: Detroit Free Press

Michigan’s GOP-led House of Representatives approved a stringent voter ID proposal on Wednesday night that Democrats warn could disproportionately affect properly registered minority and low-income voters, the Detroit News reported.

Under the proposed legislation, Michigan voters who show up to the polls without photo ID can cast provisional ballots but must bring ID to their local clerk’s office within 10 days of an election for the vote to be counted.

This is a significant change from current state law, which allows registered voters to vote on Election Day without IDs as long as they sign an affidavit affirming their identity under threat of perjury. The Detroit News reported that some 18,388 state residents took advantage of that option in the Nov. 8 election, many of them in heavily Democratic Wayne County, where majority-black Detroit is the county seat.

Donald Trump’s margin of victory over Hillary Clinton in the Great Lake State was 10,704 votes.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michigan-house-approves-strict-voter-id-law

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Michigan House Approves Strict New Voter ID Bill Over Dem Objections (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2016 OP
Unless this is overturned which I doubt it will be the Dems are cstanleytech Dec 2016 #1
First, they'll need to get those voters to the DMV offices. Republicans close DMV offices KittyWampus Dec 2016 #25
Donald Trumps margin of victory over Hillary Clinton in the Great Lake State was 10,704 votes. Botany Dec 2016 #2
Not over the top PatSeg Dec 2016 #13
This was and still is a coup Botany Dec 2016 #14
I agree PatSeg Dec 2016 #17
Fascism is already here it simply hasn't taken charge yet Jake Stern Dec 2016 #19
How can we get IDs into people's hands? Could there be a donor funded push to get people Dream Girl Dec 2016 #3
I think that's the right attitude on this. Let's help people get photo IDs YOHABLO Dec 2016 #6
I would donate from Oregon! Kittycow Dec 2016 #26
This is so infuriating they are rubbing our faces in it Dream Girl Dec 2016 #4
We need to push a national ID card. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #5
even simpler... Javaman Dec 2016 #7
That would need some safeguards, using SSN. Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #12
true, but a lot of varification systems now, they only ask for your last for digits with your name. Javaman Dec 2016 #27
Voter ID laws are why Trump won Johnny2X2X Dec 2016 #8
Agree. ananda Dec 2016 #9
Let me get this straight. Efilroft Sul Dec 2016 #10
Jill Stein has collected over 7.3 million turbinetree Dec 2016 #11
WE MUST EXAMINE THE PROVISIONAL BALLOTS. mopinko Dec 2016 #15
what would be interesting to me, is how many ballots were provisional & not counted at all. Sunlei Dec 2016 #21
I don't see these laws getting repealed. However, we can do all we can to ensure that 33taw Dec 2016 #16
people don't need documentation to register. Most states? in USA it takes a birth certificate and ss Sunlei Dec 2016 #22
Most states do not have databases with digital fingerprints for all citizens. 33taw Dec 2016 #28
Michigan Nazis have been busy elmac Dec 2016 #18
You Know Afromania Dec 2016 #20
you're right & do like (R)ump did & give everyone in line for rally, preference/better seats Sunlei Dec 2016 #23
yup Afromania Dec 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #29
Obtaining an ID involves numerous barriers for disenfranchised people/communities. demmiblue Dec 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #32
Oh, we know that your side lies. And lies. And lies. And lies. n/t demmiblue Dec 2016 #33
Our job as Democrats idahoblue Dec 2016 #31

cstanleytech

(26,477 posts)
1. Unless this is overturned which I doubt it will be the Dems are
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:37 PM
Dec 2016

going to have to work even harder to help people register to vote and also provide transportation to polling places to counter this.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
25. First, they'll need to get those voters to the DMV offices. Republicans close DMV offices
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

in minority neighborhoods.

Botany

(70,897 posts)
2. Donald Trumps margin of victory over Hillary Clinton in the Great Lake State was 10,704 votes.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:46 PM
Dec 2016

and 88,000 people showed up and voted for other candidates but skipped voting
for President. No doubt most of these people were all from the Detroit, Flint, and
East Lansing.

I am not being over the top but I fear facism is coming to America.

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
13. Not over the top
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:38 PM
Dec 2016

and you are not alone in fearing fascism is coming to America. Conservatives control just about everything local, state, and nationwide.

Botany

(70,897 posts)
14. This was and still is a coup
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

Trump was opposed by every newspaper, all the former Presidents and their families,
Condi Rice, Colin Powell, former members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and models had
HRC @ >90% of winning and somehow Trump wins?

The hack on DU? should have been a big hint.

PatSeg

(48,401 posts)
17. I agree
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

It is a coup and we have every reason to be very afraid. Meanwhile, the MSM acts like it is just another political transition.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
19. Fascism is already here it simply hasn't taken charge yet
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:13 PM
Dec 2016

On top of being distraught at the coming darkness, those of us who are searching for better digs elsewhere are mocked and scorned by fellow progressives for not "staying and fighting".

"Bu. . but. . we survived Bush and Cheney and Reagan! This is the darkness before the dawn!"

From what I see the Trump administration will make us almost wistful of Shrub's time in office and make Reagan look like liberal. We've had eight years of dawn and now the light is fast fading.

The damage this administration will cause will take generations to fix IF it is even fixable. When a whole gaggle of far right fascistic judges and bureaucrats are entrenched it it will take decades to get rid of them.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
3. How can we get IDs into people's hands? Could there be a donor funded push to get people
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:57 PM
Dec 2016

The IDs they need? We have a year until the next mostly local elections.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
5. We need to push a national ID card.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:01 PM
Dec 2016

The republicans continually rage against illegals and voter fraud but they are seemingly against any real way to prevent it.

Aimee in OKC

(159 posts)
12. That would need some safeguards, using SSN.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:30 PM
Dec 2016

It's not really secure, as it wasn't designed to be used for identification.

a. "PROTECTING THE PRIVACY OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS AND PREVENTING IDENTITY THEFT"
https://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/congressional-testimony/protecting-privacy-social-security-numbers-and-preventing-identity

b. Q&A #21 at https://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html

* * * * * * *
It already gets used for scams a lot. One example: I worked for awhile in Closed Accounts for an electric company, and as a consequence, dealt also with our local water utility, the cable companies, and natural gas companies. Because the pattern for miscreants was to apply for the various services, then not pay the bills, and keep re-applying by continuing to thoroughly mix up the SSNs among the names of the various household members (usually the children), until that was exhausted, then move to another address. It worked, unfortunately, more than you'd think. It also, sadly, leaves the kids with troubles when they turn 18, to prove legally it wasn't them.

Javaman

(62,599 posts)
27. true, but a lot of varification systems now, they only ask for your last for digits with your name.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:08 PM
Dec 2016

It would be a simply set up.

Johnny2X2X

(19,655 posts)
8. Voter ID laws are why Trump won
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:08 PM
Dec 2016

Millions of legal voters didn't get to vote and it's only going to get much much worse in 2018 and 2020.

ananda

(29,032 posts)
9. Agree.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:18 PM
Dec 2016

Our election system is so corrupt and rigged
in favor of Reeps I don't know how we'll win
any more national elections.

Efilroft Sul

(3,604 posts)
10. Let me get this straight.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:21 PM
Dec 2016

Michigan's Republicans want the recount there blocked because it would question the integrity of the electoral system, but have no problem throwing up roadblocks at certain people who already have the right to participate in the electoral system.

Got it.

turbinetree

(24,790 posts)
11. Jill Stein has collected over 7.3 million
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:24 PM
Dec 2016

to find out what shenanigans were played in three states, and Michigan you are one of, them, for some reason, the ballots cast don't add up for the votes that were counted in some districts, its called "padding" and so S**T (Shutte for Brains) and the legislature has decided all by themselves to now change the rules -------again.


Hey Michigan how do you get Fascist into the legislature:








mopinko

(70,703 posts)
15. WE MUST EXAMINE THE PROVISIONAL BALLOTS.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:47 PM
Dec 2016

the tale of the suppression is in those votes. they contain identification of the voters. they can be double checked to see why they couldnt just vote.
i believe they will tell the tale of eligible voters whose status was changed w/o reason. will tell the tale of crosscheck.

and we need to sue like hell on this stuff.

my fondest hope for obama after his term is that he returns to civil rights law, and goes around the country overturning these evil laws.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. what would be interesting to me, is how many ballots were provisional & not counted at all.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:05 PM
Dec 2016

I can't find a list state by state of exact numbers of provisional and 'mismarked' ballots, that were not counted.

While watching the recount on live webcam, I was surprised how many ballots were properly marked but then not counted because there were 'markings' in the write in spot. Some with not even a write-in name, just a scribble in the write-in spot.

America has several thousand tiny wards & districts with way to many individuals who have access to small groups of ballots.

Only Democracy we have in America is our one vote.

33taw

(2,471 posts)
16. I don't see these laws getting repealed. However, we can do all we can to ensure that
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

Individuals get the documentation they need to register. These efforts need to start now for 2018.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. people don't need documentation to register. Most states? in USA it takes a birth certificate and ss
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:22 PM
Dec 2016

card (or other type like court document) to get a drivers license/state ID card.

From 9/11 anti-terror laws it's been much harder to get a birth certificate and even a ss card. Even to get an official ss card from authorities these days is pretty much a nightmare of red tape.

I don't understand why a fingerprint can't be used as good permanent ID for everything..

Fingerprint is what our authorities use the most to ID millions of people & DNA is closing in as a second proof of identity.

33taw

(2,471 posts)
28. Most states do not have databases with digital fingerprints for all citizens.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:10 PM
Dec 2016

Finding a database with a single unique identifier within the state and federal governments is unrealistic. Trying to do an on the fly data match while voting is not possible on election day. To date, my 90 yr old mom has not submitted her fingerprints to the government or her DNA. However, I know that she made sure she had the appropriate ID and verified her voting status before the registration deadlines. Her vote was not suppressed, but given the suppression laws in WI it easily could have been.

Afromania

(2,772 posts)
20. You Know
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 02:47 PM
Dec 2016

It's clear that they are going strong arm these voter ID laws through wherever they can. What we need to do is organize and get as many people whatever help they may need in getting the documents they may need to get their ID's.

This sort of thing would take some time get to going so it's something that would need to be started now so that we are out front of the shit show that's going to be the 2018 midterms. It would be something for the DNC to do other than sitting around backbiting each other.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. you're right & do like (R)ump did & give everyone in line for rally, preference/better seats
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:36 PM
Dec 2016

by on the spot filling out the states mail-in ballot request.

Ds need less 'ticket' only rallies, a lot more free rallies where people are helped to be ready to vote.

Afromania

(2,772 posts)
24. yup
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:45 PM
Dec 2016

before the election I was wondering why more people didn't request mail in ballots. Particularly in those places where early voting accounted for the lions share of vote totals. It would be one way around the BS shuttering of so many early voting stations. We've got to side step their bullshit and keep on trucking as best we can.

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idahoblue

(379 posts)
31. Our job as Democrats
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:28 PM
Dec 2016

We must put together projects to help people get the approved ID, get them registered, double check registrations against purging, and get our voters to the polls.
We also need to have democratic candidates in every race, no more unapproved seats. There are positions all over the country that no one runs for, we need to fill those with democrats. It will require staff in every state and a full time, dedicated head of the DNC.
Allowing ourselves to be defeated when we have the numbers to win must stop now.

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